History Headscratchers / TheLegendOfKorraTechnologyAndMedicine

31st Jan '17 3:44:44 AM Tuomas
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31st Jan '17 3:44:17 AM Tuomas
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** Four counter-arguments: 1) MedievalStasis doesn't explain it, when ''The Legend of Korra'' shows that the Avatar ''can'' go through rapid societal and technological changes. 2) The FarEast has never been in a state of stasis, and the area certainly experienced massive changes in the 10,000 years that preceded the 1920s (the decade equivalent to the setting of [=TLoK=]). 3) It's never said the previously Avatars "deliberately kept the four nations separate"; why would they have done so? Roku tried to stop Sozen from forcibly colonizing a part of the Earth Kingdom, but it seems unlikely the Avatars would've been against peaceful trade and exhange of ideas between the nations, which would lead to technological and social progress. 4) There's little information on the history of the Avatar world preceding the 100 Year War, so how would we know there were no large scale trade networks? Since bending allows greater mobility for trade vessels, and the Avatar world appears to be significantly smaller than ours, so there's no reason to assume such trade routes didn't exist. Also, even the members of Katara and Sokka's remote tribe seem to have a decent basic knowledge on the other three nations and their habits, and merchants in Earth Kingdom recognize the coins Katara and Sokka give to them as Water Tribe money, so it looks like trade and exchange of knowledge between the nations was going on the whole time, and they weren't being kept completely separate.

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** Four counter-arguments: 1) MedievalStasis doesn't explain it, when ''The Legend of Korra'' shows that the Avatar world ''can'' go through rapid societal and technological changes. 2) The FarEast has never been in a state of stasis, and the area certainly experienced massive changes in the 10,000 years that preceded the 1920s (the decade equivalent to the setting of [=TLoK=]). 3) It's never said the previously Avatars "deliberately kept the four nations separate"; why would they have done so? Roku tried to stop Sozen from forcibly colonizing a part of the Earth Kingdom, but it seems unlikely the Avatars would've been against peaceful trade and exhange of ideas between the nations, which would lead to technological and social progress. 4) There's little information on the history of the Avatar world preceding the 100 Year War, so how would we know there were no large scale trade networks? Since bending allows greater mobility for trade vessels, and the Avatar world appears to be significantly smaller than ours, so there's no reason to assume such trade routes didn't exist. Also, even the members of Katara and Sokka's remote tribe seem to have a decent basic knowledge on the other three nations and their habits, and merchants in Earth Kingdom recognize the coins Katara and Sokka give to them as Water Tribe money, so it looks like trade and exchange of knowledge between the nations was going on the whole time, and they weren't being kept completely separate.
30th Jan '17 11:38:40 PM TheRecreator
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** Seems like they don't, or at least not any phones connected to the rest of the world. It's the only explanation for how everyone missed that Korra wasn't either in Republic City or the South Pole for *six whole months*. That said, transoceanic cables are a pain in the ass to set up and keep in working condition, even in our world.




* The Earth Empire mecha suits are affected by electromagnetic pulses; this would seem to suggest that they incorporate some form of integrated circuitry. However, all the other technology seen throughout the series indicate that the Avatar world is still in an era where vacuum tubes would be dominant. Just how smart and ahead-of-his-time ''is'' Varrick?

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\n** The lightning gun might work based on lightningbending principles.

* The Earth Empire mecha suits are affected by electromagnetic pulses; this would seem to suggest that they incorporate some form of integrated circuitry. However, all the other technology seen throughout the series indicate that the Avatar world is still in an era where vacuum tubes would be dominant. Just how smart and ahead-of-his-time ''is'' Varrick? Varrick?
** In the scene in S4E10 where Baatar Jr. stops the spirit vine superweapon from exploding, he yanks what looks like a silicon chip board from the mechanism. Looks like the Earth Empire's been hoarding just as much technology as Zaofu.




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** The platinum for the Colossus came from Zaofu's domes, and judging by the ridges on the Colossus' armor, they kept a few design elements in common with the domes, which probably sped up construction a bit. If the Colossus was designed to run entirely on spirit energy though, it's likely that the Earth Empire did the bulk of R&D after Varrick's groundbreaking work on spirit vines.




* When the airbenders are attacking the colossus with paint bombs, they're able to get quite close to the windows in it head, and Meelo actually squashes against one. Why then, instead of the paint attack that would at best only slow the mecha down, didn't they try to break the windows and attack Kuvira? There's absolutely no hint in the series that anyone has come up with armored glass strong enough to withstand a master bender. And if airbending is not enought to break the windows, why not have Korra fly there and firebend or earthbend (glass is made of sand, so earthbending should work on it) a hole to the glass? Sure, they would be vulnerable to the colossus swatting them with its hands, but they had the same problem with their ultimate plan, and they still carried it out. (Also, presumably Kuvira would've been more wary of swatting them while they're attached to the colossus' head, since she might've accidentally broken the windows herself while trying to hit the airbenders.) Of course it's still possible this tactic might've failed for one reason or another, but it's weird they didn't even think of trying to exploit such and obvious weak spot in the colossus.

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\n** Maybe Kuvira ordered her designers to make a bipedal system work? There's lots of people out in the world who would rather bend technology to work the way they want it to instead of adapting a little bit to make the most efficient use of that technology.

* When the airbenders are attacking the colossus with paint bombs, they're able to get quite close to the windows in it head, and Meelo actually squashes against one. Why then, instead of the paint attack that would at best only slow the mecha down, didn't they try to break the windows and attack Kuvira? There's absolutely no hint in the series that anyone has come up with armored glass strong enough to withstand a master bender. And if airbending is not enought to break the windows, why not have Korra fly there and firebend or earthbend (glass is made of sand, so earthbending should work on it) a hole to the glass? Sure, they would be vulnerable to the colossus swatting them with its hands, but they had the same problem with their ultimate plan, and they still carried it out. (Also, presumably Kuvira would've been more wary of swatting them while they're attached to the colossus' head, since she might've accidentally broken the windows herself while trying to hit the airbenders.) Of course it's still possible this tactic might've failed for one reason or another, but it's weird they didn't even think of trying to exploit such and obvious weak spot in the colossus. colossus.
13th Jun '16 5:53:51 AM Tuomas
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** Four counter-arguments: 1) MedievalStasis doesn't explain it, when ''The Legend of Korra'' shows that the Avatar ''can'' go through rapid societal and technological changes. 2) The FarEast has never been in a state of stasis, and the area certainly experienced massive changes in the 10,000 years that preceded the 1920s (the decade equivalent to the setting of [=TLoK=]). 3) It's never said the previously Avatars "deliberately kept the four nations separate"; why would they have done so? Roku tried to stop Sozen from forcibly colonizing a part of the Earth Kingdom, but it seems unlikely the Avatars would been against peaceful trade and exhange of ideas between the nations, which would lead to technological and social progress. 4) There's little information on the history of the Avatar world preceding the 100 Year War, so how would we know there were no large scale trade networks? Since bending allows greater mobility for trade vessels, and the Avatar world appears to be significantly smaller than ours, so there's no reason to assume such trade routes didn't exist. Also, even the members of Katara and Sokka's remote tribe seem to have a decent basic knowledge on the other three nations and their habits, and merchants in Earth Kingdom recognize the coins Katara and Sokka give to them as Water Tribe money, so it looks like trade and exchange of knowledge between the nations was going on the whole time, and they weren't being kept completely separate.

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** Four counter-arguments: 1) MedievalStasis doesn't explain it, when ''The Legend of Korra'' shows that the Avatar ''can'' go through rapid societal and technological changes. 2) The FarEast has never been in a state of stasis, and the area certainly experienced massive changes in the 10,000 years that preceded the 1920s (the decade equivalent to the setting of [=TLoK=]). 3) It's never said the previously Avatars "deliberately kept the four nations separate"; why would they have done so? Roku tried to stop Sozen from forcibly colonizing a part of the Earth Kingdom, but it seems unlikely the Avatars would would've been against peaceful trade and exhange of ideas between the nations, which would lead to technological and social progress. 4) There's little information on the history of the Avatar world preceding the 100 Year War, so how would we know there were no large scale trade networks? Since bending allows greater mobility for trade vessels, and the Avatar world appears to be significantly smaller than ours, so there's no reason to assume such trade routes didn't exist. Also, even the members of Katara and Sokka's remote tribe seem to have a decent basic knowledge on the other three nations and their habits, and merchants in Earth Kingdom recognize the coins Katara and Sokka give to them as Water Tribe money, so it looks like trade and exchange of knowledge between the nations was going on the whole time, and they weren't being kept completely separate.
13th Jun '16 5:53:15 AM Tuomas
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** Four counter-arguments: 1) MedievalStasis doesn't explain it, when ''The Legend of Korra'' shows that the Avatar ''can'' go through rapid societal and technological changes. 2) The FarEast has never been a state of stasis, and the area certainly experienced massive changes in the 10,000 years that preceded the 1920s (the decade equivalent to the setting of [=TLoK=]). 3) It's never said the previously Avatars "deliberately kept the four nations separate"; why would they have done so? Roku tried to stop Sozen from forcibly colonizing a part of the Earth Kingdom, but it seems unlikely the Avatars would been against peaceful trade and exhange of ideas between the nations, which would lead to technological and social progress. 4) There's little information on the history of the Avatar world preceding the 100 Year War, so how would we know there were no large scale trade networks? Since bending allows greater mobility for trade vessels, and the Avatar world appears to be significantly smaller than ours, so there's no reason to assume such trade routes didn't exist. Also, even the members of Katara and Sokka's remote tribe seem to have a decent basic knowledge on the other three nations and their habits, and merchants in Earth Kingdom recognize the coins Katara and Sokka give to them as Water Tribe money, so it looks like trade and exchange of knowledge between the nations was going on the whole time, and they weren't being kept completely separate.

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** Four counter-arguments: 1) MedievalStasis doesn't explain it, when ''The Legend of Korra'' shows that the Avatar ''can'' go through rapid societal and technological changes. 2) The FarEast has never been in a state of stasis, and the area certainly experienced massive changes in the 10,000 years that preceded the 1920s (the decade equivalent to the setting of [=TLoK=]). 3) It's never said the previously Avatars "deliberately kept the four nations separate"; why would they have done so? Roku tried to stop Sozen from forcibly colonizing a part of the Earth Kingdom, but it seems unlikely the Avatars would been against peaceful trade and exhange of ideas between the nations, which would lead to technological and social progress. 4) There's little information on the history of the Avatar world preceding the 100 Year War, so how would we know there were no large scale trade networks? Since bending allows greater mobility for trade vessels, and the Avatar world appears to be significantly smaller than ours, so there's no reason to assume such trade routes didn't exist. Also, even the members of Katara and Sokka's remote tribe seem to have a decent basic knowledge on the other three nations and their habits, and merchants in Earth Kingdom recognize the coins Katara and Sokka give to them as Water Tribe money, so it looks like trade and exchange of knowledge between the nations was going on the whole time, and they weren't being kept completely separate.
13th Jun '16 5:50:42 AM Tuomas
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** Four counter-arguments: 1) MedievalStasis doesn't explain it, when ''The Legend of Korra'' shows that the Avatar ''can'' go through rapid societal and technological changes. 2) The FarEast has never been a state of stasis, and the area certainly experienced massive changes in the 10,000 years that preceded the 1920s (the decade equivalent to the setting of [=TLoK=]). 3) It's never said the previously Avatars "deliberately kept the four nations separate"; why would they have done so? Roku tried to stop Sozen from forcibly colonizing a part of the Earth Kingdom, but it seems unlikely the Avatars would been against peaceful trade and exhange of ideas between the nations, which would lead to technological and social progress. 4) There's little information on the history of the Avatar world preceding the 100 Year War, so how would we know there were no large scale trade networks? Since bending allows greater mobility for trade vessels, and the Avatar world appears to be significantly smaller than ours, so there's no reason to assume such trade routes didn't exist. Also, even the members of Katara and Sokka's remote tribe seem to have a decent basic knowledge on the other three nations and their habits, and merchants in Earth Kingdom recognize the coins Katara and Sokka give to them as Water Tribe money, so it looks like trade and exchange of knowledge between the nations was going on the whole time, and they weren't being kept completely separate.
28th May '16 9:23:20 AM brolaf
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** Four reasons: 1) [[MedievalStasis It's a fantasy world]], 2) It's heavily based on the FarEast, 3) A fully realized [[TheChosenOne Avatar]] can stop an army in its tracks and deliberately kept the four nations separate, and 4) The world of Avatar seems to have little in the way of large scale trade networks like the Silk Road or the Indian Ocean trade network. So basically, Katara was right: Everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked.
28th Dec '15 1:32:02 AM Tuomas
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** But the question wasn't about repopulating of the planet, rather than the level of technology, which doesn't change that much from Wan's era to the [=AtlA=] era. Compare that to the changes in technology in our world in the last 10,000 years, and the discrepancy is massive, especially if you consider that the Avatar world has an incredibly efficient power source (bending) that our world doesn't have. So why was there 10,000 years of stagnation followed by 70 years of fast changes?
30th Sep '15 2:32:17 AM Unityd3v
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** Batteries also make sense in tandem with lightning benders. This way, any excess electricity harnessed from the lightning benders can be stored for future use.
** Mecha tanks, at least in Book 1, seem to at least run on some sort of internal combustion.
30th Sep '15 2:20:36 AM Unityd3v
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** Compared to the over 10,000 years from the beginning of real life recorded history to where we are now, this isn't as slow as you think it is.

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** Compared to the over 10,000 years from the beginning of civilization in real life recorded history to where we are now, this isn't as slow as you think it is.is. The people in Wan's time were basically TheRemnant who were left over after some apocalypse that had them living solely on the lion turtles, basically 4 small cities worth of humans. Taking centuries and even millennia to repolulate the planet to the levels we see in both series (especially taking major wars into consideration) isn't that far fetched.
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