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* Korra is a Master of Water Bending and the Avatar besides so why does she get beat on so badly? Pro-benders stay light on their feet and use smaller, quick attacks. Did no one ever use these before? Did benders never think of speed as an important factor? Were all the people in Last Airbender moving in slow-mo? I'm sorry but 12 year old Aang defeated whole troops of soliders of vetran soliders but Korra, who is older and stronger, can't defeat a couple of athletes? Having only a small amount of water to bend with neve slowed Katara down. And the small ring size wouldn't effect Toph who was quite an imobile fighter. It makes Korra and the Avatar look weak.

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* Korra is a Master of Water Bending and the Avatar besides so why does she get beat on so badly? Pro-benders stay light on their feet and use smaller, quick attacks. Did no one ever use these before? Did benders never think of speed as an important factor? Were all the people in Last Airbender moving in slow-mo? I'm sorry but 12 year old Aang defeated whole troops of soliders of vetran soliders veteran soldiers but Korra, who is older and stronger, can't defeat a couple of athletes? Having only a small amount of water to bend with neve never slowed Katara down. And the small ring size wouldn't effect Toph who was quite an imobile fighter. It makes Korra and the Avatar look weak.



** To clarify even further, Korra isn't losing in the first match because she's weak; she could beat all three of her opponents at the same time effortlessly. She's losing because she doesn't know the rules, and either accidentally breaks them, or concentrates on them so much that she can't concentrate on the fight itself.

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** To clarify even further, Korra isn't losing in the first match because she's weak; she could beat all three of her opponents at the same time effortlessly. She's losing because she doesn't know the rules, and either accidentally breaks them, or concentrates on them so much that she can't concentrate on the fight itself.itself.
[[WMG: Another question about bending genetics]]
I didn't see this in the AtLA headscratchers page, and since it relates to characters from legend of Korra, I'd thought I'd post it here.

Okay. We know that bending is one part genetic and one part spiritual. We know that if, say, An Earthbender and a Waterbender had a kid, that kid would be an Earthbender, a Waterbender, or neither. We can see that in Aang's kids - a Waterbender, an Airbender, and a non-bender.

So here's my question; can Kya, Aang's Waterbending child, have kids that can Airbend? I was always under the impression that the type of bending is partly determined by the culture you were born into, so what does that mean for second generation children of mixed families? Does the fact that Kya had an Air Nomad father mean that she has a chance, if only a slight one, of having an Airbender, or does the fact that she's a Waterbender mean it's impossible for her to have Airbending children?

And for that matter, what about Bumi, Aang's non-bending child? We know that you don't have to ''be'' a bender to father one, so does that mean that Bumi has the exact same odds of having an air/water/non-bender as his parents? Does marrying a Waterbender decrease his chances of fathering an Airbender? What if he married a Firebender or an Earthbender (supposing he's married at all, of course)? Or to make things really crazy, suppose he married a non-bender who's parents were Earth and Firebenders. Does that mean their kids could be ''any'' element, including none of the above!?

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** No benders probably didn't thinking of pro-bending style attacks. Much like the real martial arts they're based on the TLA bending styles are strongly rooted in philosophical teachings that are passed down from teacher to student. Note that Tenzin's problem with pro-bending is not that it's dangerous or violent but that it strips away the spiritual side of bending that is so important to him.

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** No benders probably didn't thinking of pro-bending style attacks. Much like the real martial arts they're based on the TLA bending styles are strongly rooted in philosophical teachings that are passed down from teacher to student. Note that Tenzin's problem with pro-bending is not that it's dangerous or violent but that it strips away the spiritual side of bending that is so important to him.
** To clarify even further, Korra isn't losing in the first match because she's weak; she could beat all three of her opponents at the same time effortlessly. She's losing because she doesn't know the rules, and either accidentally breaks them, or concentrates on them so much that she can't concentrate on the fight itself.
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** Agreed with the two previous posters, and I'd add that Korra was also handicapped by not being used to moderating herself. As Episode 1 demonstrated, Korra favors raw power over finesse, and close-quarters combat. Pro-bending doesn't allow that behavior ''at all''. It's a tactical game, one where you have limited resources and must fight from a specific distance to your opponent.

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** Agreed with the two previous posters, and I'd add that Korra was also handicapped by not being used to moderating herself. As Episode 1 demonstrated, Korra favors raw power over finesse, and close-quarters combat. Pro-bending doesn't allow that behavior ''at all''. It's a tactical game, one where you have limited resources and must fight from a specific distance to your opponent.opponent.
** Aang had the advantage of airbending which absolutely nobody knew how to combat. The soldiers he was fighting were also unlikely to have had experience fighting benders. Remember the Fire Nation had been in charge for about 100 years by that point with most non-firebenders shipped off the concentration camps.
** No benders probably didn't thinking of pro-bending style attacks. Much like the real martial arts they're based on the TLA bending styles are strongly rooted in philosophical teachings that are passed down from teacher to student. Note that Tenzin's problem with pro-bending is not that it's dangerous or violent but that it strips away the spiritual side of bending that is so important to him.
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* Bending is ''definitely'' innate. Scrolls and tutors exist to teach the skills and spiritual connection you need to be really good at it. Just think about this: First of all if anyone could learn to bend then when the Fire Nation was a military state it would have turned every citizen into a firebender. Secondly we've repeatedly seen competent child benders, Meelo is both too young and too inattentive to have learned complex martial arts from his father, Korra learned to firebend and earthbend before she was likely to have been exposed to either and long before she could have started training.
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** Korra is a Dojo-trained fighter thrown into the UFC ring. She has literally missed out on the development of an entire new mixed-arts school while training in highly scholastic, tradionalist forms while ''isolated in a compound,'' under no real-world threat, while Katara and Toph experienced free-form no-holds barred threat-of-death combat in the real world. Despite this, after only one match she's an InstantExpert, and starting to beat three on one. This is weak?

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** Korra is a Dojo-trained fighter thrown into the UFC ring. She has literally missed out on the development of an entire new mixed-arts school while training in highly scholastic, tradionalist traditionalist forms while ''isolated in a compound,'' under no real-world threat, while Katara and Toph experienced free-form no-holds barred threat-of-death combat in the real world. Despite this, after only one match she's an InstantExpert, and starting to beat three on one. This is weak?



** Agreed with the two pervious posters, and I'd add that Korra was also handicapped by not being used to moderating herself. As Episode 1 demonstrated, Korra favors raw power over finesse, and close-quarters combat. Pro-bending doesn't allow that behavior ''at all''. It's a tactical game, one where you have limited resources and must fight from a specific distance to your opponent.

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** Agreed with the two pervious previous posters, and I'd add that Korra was also handicapped by not being used to moderating herself. As Episode 1 demonstrated, Korra favors raw power over finesse, and close-quarters combat. Pro-bending doesn't allow that behavior ''at all''. It's a tactical game, one where you have limited resources and must fight from a specific distance to your opponent.
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** Korra's been playing in Training Mode all her life. Then she tries to fight a bunch of guys who are literally professionals. Of course she's going to lose.

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** Korra's been playing in Training Mode all her life. Then she tries to fight a bunch of guys who are literally professionals. Of course she's going to lose.lose.
** Agreed with the two pervious posters, and I'd add that Korra was also handicapped by not being used to moderating herself. As Episode 1 demonstrated, Korra favors raw power over finesse, and close-quarters combat. Pro-bending doesn't allow that behavior ''at all''. It's a tactical game, one where you have limited resources and must fight from a specific distance to your opponent.
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* Originally Chinese surnames were matrilineal. But even if they drew from later patrilineal Chinese culture, if Toph married into another surnamed family, it would not be unheard of for her husband to take her name if it had greater status, particularly if he was not a firstborn son, and had no burden to carry on his family name.
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** Korra is a Dojo-trained fighter thrown into the UFC ring. She has literally missed out on the development of an entire new mixed-arts school while training in highly scholastic, tradionalist forms while ''isolated in a compound,'' under no real-world threat, while Katara and Toph experienced free-form no-holds barred threat-of-death combat in the real world. Despite this, after only one match she's an InstantExpert, and starting to beat three on one. This is weak?

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** Korra is a Dojo-trained fighter thrown into the UFC ring. She has literally missed out on the development of an entire new mixed-arts school while training in highly scholastic, tradionalist forms while ''isolated in a compound,'' under no real-world threat, while Katara and Toph experienced free-form no-holds barred threat-of-death combat in the real world. Despite this, after only one match she's an InstantExpert, and starting to beat three on one. This is weak?weak?
** Korra's been playing in Training Mode all her life. Then she tries to fight a bunch of guys who are literally professionals. Of course she's going to lose.
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* Korra is a Master of Water Bending and the Avatar besides so why does she get beat on so badly? Pro-benders stay light on their feet and use smaller, quick attacks. Did no one ever use these before? Did benders never think of speed as an important factor? Were all the people in Last Airbender moving in slow-mo? I'm sorry but 12 year old Aang defeated whole troops of soliders of vetran soliders but Korra, who is older and stronger, can't defeat a couple of athletes? Having only a small amount of water to bend with neve slowed Katara down. And the small ring size wouldn't effect Toph who was quite an imobile fighter. It makes Korra and the Avatar look weak.

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* Korra is a Master of Water Bending and the Avatar besides so why does she get beat on so badly? Pro-benders stay light on their feet and use smaller, quick attacks. Did no one ever use these before? Did benders never think of speed as an important factor? Were all the people in Last Airbender moving in slow-mo? I'm sorry but 12 year old Aang defeated whole troops of soliders of vetran soliders but Korra, who is older and stronger, can't defeat a couple of athletes? Having only a small amount of water to bend with neve slowed Katara down. And the small ring size wouldn't effect Toph who was quite an imobile fighter. It makes Korra and the Avatar look weak.weak.
** Korra is a Dojo-trained fighter thrown into the UFC ring. She has literally missed out on the development of an entire new mixed-arts school while training in highly scholastic, tradionalist forms while ''isolated in a compound,'' under no real-world threat, while Katara and Toph experienced free-form no-holds barred threat-of-death combat in the real world. Despite this, after only one match she's an InstantExpert, and starting to beat three on one. This is weak?
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[[WMG: How badly Korra got owned at Pro-Bending]]
* Korra is a Master of Water Bending and the Avatar besides so why does she get beat on so badly? Pro-benders stay light on their feet and use smaller, quick attacks. Did no one ever use these before? Did benders never think of speed as an important factor? Were all the people in Last Airbender moving in slow-mo? I'm sorry but 12 year old Aang defeated whole troops of soliders of vetran soliders but Korra, who is older and stronger, can't defeat a couple of athletes? Having only a small amount of water to bend with neve slowed Katara down. And the small ring size wouldn't effect Toph who was quite an imobile fighter. It makes Korra and the Avatar look weak.

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** This is hilarious. Its exactly the sort of political insanity that probably exists in the setting. The crime wasn't "bending" (though benders might well think of it that way) it was "blowing up other people's stuff and attacking the police". You shouldn't get away with destroying buildings just because you happened to do it with superpowers. I imagine that's exactly the mentality that has Equalist sympathizes scared.

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** This is hilarious. Its exactly the sort of political insanity that probably exists in the setting. The crime wasn't "bending" (though benders might well think of it that way) it was "blowing up other people's stuff and attacking the police". You shouldn't get away with destroying buildings just because you happened to do it with superpowers. I imagine that's exactly the mentality that has Equalist sympathizes scared.sympathizers scared.
*** I wouldn't be surprised to see merchants who's property she destroyed at an Equalist rally in the future, given that the reason anyone pays protection money is out of fear for their lives and livelihoods. Ironically, Korra may have done by accident what the Triple Threat Triads [[ShameIfSomethingHappened threaten to do]] when they go unpaid, and as a result some struggling business owners might just find themselves looking for a nice bush to sleep under.

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** This is hilarious. Its exactly the sort of political insanity that probably exists in the setting. The crime wasn't "bending" it was "blowing up other people's stuff and attacking the police".

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** This is hilarious. Its exactly the sort of political insanity that probably exists in the setting. The crime wasn't "bending" (though benders might well think of it that way) it was "blowing up other people's stuff and attacking the police".police". You shouldn't get away with destroying buildings just because you happened to do it with superpowers. I imagine that's exactly the mentality that has Equalist sympathizes scared.
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** This is hilarious. Its exactly the sort of political insanity that probably exists in the setting. The crime wasn't "bending" it was "blowing up other people's stuff and attacking the police".
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*** It's all part of the deconstruction that is going on. As of now, there is no need for Avatar-involvement. Having Korra wreck the place is not necessary. It's an era of peace. I am sure that as the plot progresses, there will be a need for Korra to act as the Avatar to the world. But as of now, there isn't.
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*** Precisely. Tenzin and the White Lotus may be sitting on museum pieces, but if Korra were allowed to inflict property damage at her own vigilante discretion, she'd deplete their operating budget in a matter of weeks...heck, the lack of HeroInsurance could be mined for a subplot.
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*** Um, where's it ever said that the law prohibits bending in any way? Or that benders can't defend themselves? The problem with Korra's actions in the first episode is more that she wrecked up the street, and that she was acting as a vigilante, not just that she was acting as a bender or the Avatar.

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*** Of course, but if they are putting their foot down and preventing the Avatar from doing what the Avatar does, they're as much a threat to the balance as they could be a help. I'm not speaking about stopping mafia here-which Korra, as the Avatar and a lot of precedent behind her from Kiyoshi and Aang, should be allowed to do-this can get much worse; what if they decide that restoring balance would cause too much instability within the city?

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*** Of course, but if they are putting their foot down and preventing the Avatar from doing what the Avatar does, they're as much a threat to the balance as they could be a help. I'm not speaking about stopping mafia here-which Korra, as the Avatar and a lot of precedent behind her from Kiyoshi and Aang, should be allowed to do-this can get much worse; what if they decide that restoring balance would cause too much instability within the city? city?
*** If Korra's keeping with the law, which should be entirely reasonable, then they have no reason to object. Tenzin could also extend some political protection if he needs to.
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*** Of course, but if they are putting their foot down and preventing the Avatar from doing what the Avatar does, they're as much a threat to the balance as they could be a help. I'm not speaking about stopping mafia here-which Korra, as the Avatar and a lot of precedent behind her from Kiyoshi and Aang, should be allowed to do-this can get much worse; what if they decide that restoring balance would cause too much instability within the city?
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* That, and betrothal necklaces are explicitly a ''Northern'' tradition. Don't forget that Katara had no idea what her necklace symbolised until Yugoda mistook her for being engaged in the North Pole. She didn't even know her grandmother came from the North Pole to begin with. To Katara, the necklace is a memento of her mother and nothing more.
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** That worked back in the old days. In an industrialized nation, Korra's antics are nearly as harmful as helpful, and she is not omniscient. The police are there to cover what she can't, which is basically everything except the occasional random incident.

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[[WMG: The "Balance Patch" that is the Law in Republic City]]
* The Avatar is a focal point of balance towards goodness and the right choices in the world at large, which includes the city. Because of this, and the major role she plays in restoring balance and order to the world as they are fated to do, they are given a great deal of leeway. This is no longer the case, and that severely gimps Korra's overall effectiveness for very pedantic reasons. Benders should have the right to defend themselves, as should non-benders. So I'm not entirely seeing the law as helpful or beneficial to the long-run to the city, much less to her job. They would only serve to get in her way.
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** Just because someone at some point initially learned to bend from an external source doesn't exclude the possibility that the ability has innately been there all along in the people of the world. For example, a child can learn about his/her cultural, genetic heritage and then proudly carry on the traditions, but it doesn't mean that heritage wasn't there in the first place. In simpler terms: maybe the ability to bend was already there, and the "discovery" was just the push to get it going.
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Considering she has an adult daughter - named after her mother no less - wouldn't it have made sense for her to pass it on, as it was bequethed down to her?


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Considering she has an adult daughter - named after her mother no less - wouldn't it have made sense for her to pass it on, as it was bequethed bequeathed down to her?

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* It's entirely possible that her daughter received her own from the man who married her, since you know, those necklaces are 'betrothal' necklaces. Since Aang technically wasn't Water Tribe, he might not have made one for Katara when they got married and so she kept hers, knowing that her daughter would one day receive one of her own.
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*** The same way studios can trademark {{Glee}} and TheBigBangTheory. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe trademarks are divided by industry, area, and use. James Cameron's Avatar and Avatar: The Last Airbender are both television/movie media, so they probably feared running into problems there. You could probably set up a line of inflatable pool toys or a resturant with the name "Avatar" as long as they didn't feature Airbenders or the Na'vi. TheLegendOfKorra might be able to get away with it, since "Avatar" is pretty generic, but lawsuits are expensive even if you win. Or possibly, they may not fear lawsuits at all, and just want to avoid confusion for audiences.

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*** The same way studios can trademark {{Glee}} and TheBigBangTheory. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe trademarks are divided by industry, area, and use. James Cameron's Avatar and Avatar: The Last Airbender are both television/movie media, so they probably feared running into problems there. You could probably set up a line of inflatable pool toys or a resturant with the name "Avatar" as long as they didn't feature Airbenders or the Na'vi. TheLegendOfKorra ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' might be able to get away with it, since "Avatar" is pretty generic, but lawsuits are expensive even if you win. Or possibly, they may not fear lawsuits at all, and just want to avoid confusion for audiences.
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** Maybe it's only passed down when the previous owner is dead.

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** Maybe it's only passed down when the previous owner is dead.

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** Maybe it's only passed down when the previous owner is dead.
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[[WMG: Why does Katara still have her necklace?]]
Considering she has an adult daughter - named after her mother no less - wouldn't it have made sense for her to pass it on, as it was bequethed down to her?
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* Contrary to popular belief, the law never got involved on this. Cameron and Nick mutually agreed on the changes because they figured confusing the audiences was a bad idea.
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[[WMG: Is the first part of the title "Avatar" or "The Last Airbender"?]]
The latter appears in the official trailer, but it makes no sense. Could it have been an error?
* You can blame James Cameron for that. He got lawyer-happy when he found out his precious "avatar" title was already being used by someone else.
* Is that a fact (that James Cameron threatened to sue them over the title of this cartoon, not the live-action film?), or a theory?
* [[SchrodingersGun Take your pick]]. The possibility of a lawsuit brings financial risk with it, since win-or-lose a lawsuit would be very expensive. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Best to just avoid the issue altogether and move on]].
* Is it a fact that there was no official lawsuit, but they changed the title to be on the safe side, or is that just a theory?
* Apparently, Nick's application of trademark for Avatar: The Legend of Korra had an underwear company lawyer up, too, because apparently one of their lines is called "Avatar" or some shite. Basically, it's a combination of James Cameron and some underwear company being {{Attention Whore}}s, as Avatar is a pretty popular series.
* Marketing difficulties related to trademark filing/clashing: confirmed.
** How can you trademark the word Avatar? Not only did the original series start using it 5 years before the movie did, but Avatar is a religious term isn't it? From Hinduism? So how can it be trademarked?
*** The same way studios can trademark {{Glee}} and TheBigBangTheory. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe trademarks are divided by industry, area, and use. James Cameron's Avatar and Avatar: The Last Airbender are both television/movie media, so they probably feared running into problems there. You could probably set up a line of inflatable pool toys or a resturant with the name "Avatar" as long as they didn't feature Airbenders or the Na'vi. TheLegendOfKorra might be able to get away with it, since "Avatar" is pretty generic, but lawsuits are expensive even if you win. Or possibly, they may not fear lawsuits at all, and just want to avoid confusion for audiences.
**** "Marketing difficulties related to trademark filing/clashing: confirmed", "Or possibly, they may not fear lawsuits at all, and just want to avoid confusion for audiences." These are contradictory statements.
***** And doesn't address the fact that the cartoon was already using the word in its title for years before the movie, so obviously its sequel should have the right to keep using it.
* As of the two new trailers that confirmed the premiere date as April 14th, the title (in the US) will be The Legend of Korra, and Avatar:The Legend of Korra internationally.
[[WMG: Toph's husband/lover?]]

Toph's daughter also has the last name Bei Fong? Unless there was some cultural precedent in-story involving women using their birth surnames when married, Toph would either have to be a single parent or she and the father just must have not found marriage appealing and never bothered before moving in together. Any mention of this?
* There has been no mention whatsoever of who Chief Bei Fong's father is, much less what his relationship with Toph was. In fact, Bryan went so far as to pretend he couldn't hear the fans at SDCC screaming at him about it. It's possible that calling her by the name Bei Fong was just a way to identify her as Toph's offspring without giving us the father's name. Alternatively, he might not have had a last name at all. Think about it: who else in the original show had one? Not even Zuko and Azula were given full names. Last names might have been a fairly recent culture addition.
* Maybe the distribution of last names is not about who's the man, but whose family is more powerful/rich. The Bei Fongs are extremely wealthy and influential, so the person who marries her marries into ''her'' family rather than her marrying into his.
* Bear in mind that the Bei Fong family is EXTREMELY wealthy and prestigious. Factor in that Toph is an only child, and you can kinda see why they would want her husband to marry into their family, and not the other way around.
* Maybe she married her paternal cousin?
* While the Earth Kingdom is heavily Chinese influenced, the creators have taken bits and pieces of other East Asian cultures to create the various cultures in Avatar. And in Real Life there is cultural precedent in Japan for men to take their wife's name if she's of a higher social class so it could exist in the Earth Kingdom... at least theoretically.
** Considering that is also prominent in Chinese culture (for a guy to take up the family name of his wife if said wife came from a very prominent family, it's highly probable this is what happened) just another sign that the createrd did do their research.
* I don't agree that "Toph would either have to be a single parent or she and the father just must have not found marriage appealing" are the only options. Toph could have been homosexual, and she and her partner could have adopted a baby or used some way of conceiving available to lesbians. If this sounds far-fetched, consider that Toph fits the profile of a young ButchLesbian quite well. Though of course, this being an American kids' show, sadly there's no way they could use this kind of a plot element even if they wanted to.
* Alternatively Toph could have simply decided she was keeping her original family name or her daughter could have taken her mother's name.
* ViewersAreMorons
* I think this quote fits the situation best:
-->'''[[DoctorWho The Doctor]]''': Amelia, from now on I shall be leaving the kissing duties to the brand new Mr Pond.
-->'''Rory''': No, I'm not Mr Pond. that's not how it works.
-->'''The Doctor''': Yes. it is.
-->'''Rory:''' [[HenpeckedHusband ...yeah it is]].
* Most people in the ''Avatar'' world don't '''have''' surnames. Only aristocratic Earth Kingdom families like Toph's, and the Sato family that will be in ''Korra'', do. So if Toph's husband didn't have a surname, then '''of course''' Chief Bei Fong inherited her mother's surname.

[[WMG: Why don't the Equalists just ''learn how to bend?'']]
Bending is like a form of martial arts in the world of Avatar. Heck, remember the arc in the original series where they met Toph? There was an earthbending teacher that offered lessons for money, just like any karate teacher that's in it for the business would. There are even scrolls ''with instructions on how to bend'' in them.
* The TV series has made it pretty clear that elementbending is a skill one innately has. The lessons and whatnot are only meant to hone the abilities a bender already has. Sokka wouldn't be complaining about being the only one in the group who can't bend if he could just take a couple lessons.
* Per the above, this is the reason the Avatar is so special. If one could just learn whatever element they wanted, there'd be no need for an Avatar because anyone could do it.
* While OP was oversimplifying, his question is still valid, and actually something i felt that was never addressed. It seems like, while Bending is an innate skill you're born with, someone at some point LEARNED how to bend, either from Dragon's (fire) Badger Moles (Earth) Flying Bison (Air) and, um...the moon (water). I kind of assumed that one would have to be highly spiritual and possibly do some kind of weird spirit magic thing to do so, but unless those are just creation myths (which i guess is possible, but it doesn't feel like "no, bending is just a genetic quirk that some humans have and some humans don't" would be the answer in a universe with spirits who actively participate in world events) i feel like the answer needs to come in this series. it would be cool for a non-bender to bust there ass and somehow come up with a way to learn bending. it would be even cooler if someone learned a totally new element from a different animal/celestial body (though for the life of me i can't think of one that wouldn't fall into the previous 4).
** It's combination of innate and learned. Oma and Shu learned to earthbend by mimicking the Badgermoles, for example, but not everyone would have had the spark to be able to do so. Apparently once the four elements were established it solidified the rules for future generations and led to the Avatar Cycle; energybending pre-dates the Four Nations and the Avatar. I suppose it's possible that you could have a group of non-benders try to learn from a scroll and one of them turns out to have had the latent ability all along, but it wouldn't be common, because with the bending arts being known quantities now, the potential for bending obviously tends to be recognized for what it is at a young age, hence all the young benders.
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