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*** This. The only people who carry permanent blades are people who probably either made them themselves (Bill), have been using butcher's tools for combat (David), or inherited one from someone else (Ellie). Ellie's especially is a good example of why other knives aren't around: hers is a switchblade that she normally keeps closed, so the blade itself is usually protected from weathering, but it doesn't appear to have an edge, just a point. Any knife produced before the infections started and was kept in battle-ready condition by its owners until the time the game starts would have to be sharpened so often, they'd practically be nail files.
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*** This. The only people who carry permanent blades are people who probably either made them themselves (Bill), have been using butcher's tools for combat (David), or inherited one from someone else (Ellie). Ellie's especially is a good example of why other knives aren't around: hers is a switchblade that she normally keeps closed, so the blade itself is usually protected from weathering, but it doesn't appear to have an edge, just a point. Any knife produced before the infections started and was kept in battle-ready condition by its owners until the time the game starts would have to be sharpened so often, they'd practically be nail files.files.
* Exactly when did Elle manage to get hold of the photograph of Joel and Sarah? Elle says that she got it from Maria, but the last time we saw it, it was in the hands of Tommy. Joel stays with Tommy while hunters attack the camp, and then immediately afterwards is the argument between Tommy and Maria, during which Elle steals a horse and flees. It is implied that they never return inside the camp after they retrieve Elle. There is no opportunity for Tommy to give the photo to Maria, then for Maria to give it to Elle.
* Exactly when did Elle manage to get hold of the photograph of Joel and Sarah? Elle says that she got it from Maria, but the last time we saw it, it was in the hands of Tommy. Joel stays with Tommy while hunters attack the camp, and then immediately afterwards is the argument between Tommy and Maria, during which Elle steals a horse and flees. It is implied that they never return inside the camp after they retrieve Elle. There is no opportunity for Tommy to give the photo to Maria, then for Maria to give it to Elle.
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** All the good bowie knives are broken by now because that they are more effective thus get used '''at lot''' in the first few years of the outbreak. I mean how many human bodies are hunting knives and bowie knives designed to cut through before breaking? Bill has a pretty good blade, but he probably already owned it before the infection and his style would keep it from breaking from overuse. For the average Joel and Tess there simply are no good quality knives since none have been made for over 20 years.
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** All the good bowie knives are broken by now because that they are more effective thus get used '''at lot''' in the first few years of the outbreak. I mean how many human bodies are hunting knives and bowie knives designed to cut through before breaking? Bill has a pretty good blade, but he probably already owned it before the infection and his style would keep it from breaking from overuse. For the average Joel and Tess there simply are no good quality knives since none have been made for over 20 years.years.
*** This. The only people who carry permanent blades are people who probably either made them themselves (Bill), have been using butcher's tools for combat (David), or inherited one from someone else (Ellie). Ellie's especially is a good example of why other knives aren't around: hers is a switchblade that she normally keeps closed, so the blade itself is usually protected from weathering, but it doesn't appear to have an edge, just a point. Any knife produced before the infections started and was kept in battle-ready condition by its owners until the time the game starts would have to be sharpened so often, they'd practically be nail files.
*** This. The only people who carry permanent blades are people who probably either made them themselves (Bill), have been using butcher's tools for combat (David), or inherited one from someone else (Ellie). Ellie's especially is a good example of why other knives aren't around: hers is a switchblade that she normally keeps closed, so the blade itself is usually protected from weathering, but it doesn't appear to have an edge, just a point. Any knife produced before the infections started and was kept in battle-ready condition by its owners until the time the game starts would have to be sharpened so often, they'd practically be nail files.
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***** [[spoiler: They had to have already done an LP to test her cerebrospinal fluid. The fluid doesn't have enough material in for a sample; it grows on the spine, and trace amounts end up in the fluid. Removing her spine would probably be less humane than removing her brain, and it wouldn't be as good a sample. You can see it in the other Infected you run across, and the Clickers especially; the fungus is growing out of their faces, not their backs.]]
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* Why don't Joel and Tess own hunting knives? Why rely on the fragile shivs when a good bowie knife would last much longer and be far more effective? Why aren't any of the dozen or so soldiers I've killed thus far carrying K-bars that I can loot?
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* Why don't Joel and Tess own hunting knives? Why rely on the fragile shivs when a good bowie knife would last much longer and be far more effective? Why aren't any of the dozen or so soldiers I've killed thus far carrying K-bars that I can loot?loot?
** All the good bowie knives are broken by now because that they are more effective thus get used '''at lot''' in the first few years of the outbreak. I mean how many human bodies are hunting knives and bowie knives designed to cut through before breaking? Bill has a pretty good blade, but he probably already owned it before the infection and his style would keep it from breaking from overuse. For the average Joel and Tess there simply are no good quality knives since none have been made for over 20 years.
** All the good bowie knives are broken by now because that they are more effective thus get used '''at lot''' in the first few years of the outbreak. I mean how many human bodies are hunting knives and bowie knives designed to cut through before breaking? Bill has a pretty good blade, but he probably already owned it before the infection and his style would keep it from breaking from overuse. For the average Joel and Tess there simply are no good quality knives since none have been made for over 20 years.
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****** [[spoiler: So let me get this straight: your argument is that there's no point in saving ''anyone'', unless ''everyone'' can be saved, immediately and at the same time... therefore Joel is a hypocrite for saving Ellie? Remind me never to [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality get trapped in a bucket]] with you.]]
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* Why don't Joel and Tess own hunting knives? Why rely on the fragile shivs when a good bowie knife would last much longer and be far more effective?
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* Why don't Joel and Tess own hunting knives? Why rely on the fragile shivs when a good bowie knife would last much longer and be far more effective?effective? Why aren't any of the dozen or so soldiers I've killed thus far carrying K-bars that I can loot?
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* Why don't Joel and Tess own hunting knives? Why rely on the fragile shivs when a good bowie knife would last much longer and be far more effective?
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**** [[spoiler:Brain and spine. So why not a spinal tap?]]
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***** [[spoiler:The vaccine still wouldn't save mankind. It is not possible to distribute it for the general populace at this point. This would only cause more violence, when people start fighting for it. If some people get vaccinated, it's only the Fireflies.]]
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** speaking of which, why does Ellie [[spoiler: need to die in order for a possible cure to be made? Can't they just take a blood sample and work with that?]]
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** speaking Speaking of which, why does Ellie [[spoiler: need to die in order for a possible cure to be made? Can't they just take a blood sample and work with that?]]
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*** Most likely the caustic, considering that Joel can still be harmed even with his mask on.
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*** Most likely the caustic, considering that Joel can still be harmed even with his mask on.
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** It's also getting colder and colder as the game goes on, so getting wet is a good way to get sick from the wind chill, with the only safe bodies of water to use for practice being in the middle of the wild with no convient shelter from the elements to dry off.
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** It's also getting colder and colder as the game goes on, so getting wet is a good way to get sick from the wind chill, with the only safe bodies of water to use for practice being in the middle of the wild with no convient convenient shelter from the elements to dry off.
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**** It sounds like you think there's a judgment involved here; there isn't, that's the point. [[spoiler: Ellie's existence pretty much proves that a vaccine ''isn't'' too late: children are still being born and people are living on regardless. Saying that other immunes have been found but none of them have produced a cure yet is also pretty meaningless. Medical science doesn't work that way. You don't try a procedure with sound logic and then abandon it completely when it doesn't work the first time, otherwise we wouldn't have chemotherapy or joint replacements. The fact is, Joel's decision has nothing to do with morality or what's right or wrong, he saves Ellie because he loves her and doesn't want her to die.]]
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*** Maybe selfish, but still reasonable as at this point Ellie has become a daughter figure to him. [[spoiler: He has already lost his daughter and Tess, asking to sacrifice even Ellie is just too much to ask. A vaccine is also too late. Producing and distributing it for the general populace has long since become impossible, and Joel knows this. You can also find records in the lab that mention how there have indeed been other immunes. Each one of the tested ones have died for nothing.]]
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* So I'm just curious, this whole game and even the commercials hammer into you that morality means nothing in this world and it's just about survival. So if that's the case, why does Joel go so out of his way to save Ellie in the end? Is he admitting he was wrong, or is he just a hypocrite?
** speaking of which, why does Ellie need to die in order for a possible cure to be made? Can't they just take a blood sample and work with that?
** speaking of which, why does Ellie need to die in order for a possible cure to be made? Can't they just take a blood sample and work with that?
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* So I'm just curious, this whole game and even the commercials hammer into you that morality means nothing in this world and it's just about survival. So if that's the case, why does Joel [[spoiler:Joel go so out of his way to save Ellie in the end? Is he admitting he was wrong, or is he just a hypocrite?
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** Actually, the ending doesn't argue with the meaning of morality at all. [[spoiler: Whatever you think his reason for saving Ellie was, he was still depriving humanity of a vaccine/cure and saving the life of a young girl, and lying to that girl to do it to salve whatever guilt she was feeling, knowing it was wrong, all at the same time. In other words, morality is meaningless because every choice is a cruel one no matter what you do, and every situation means someone has to suffer. Joel didn't make the ''morally sound'' decision, he made the ''selfish'' decision.]]
** speaking of which, why does Ellie [[spoiler: need to die in order for a possible cure to be made? Can't they just take a blood sample and work withthat?that?]]
*** [[spoiler: They go over this in the game. The fungus grows in the brain, and the fungus in Ellie's brain is mutated and that's what makes her immune. They have to remove her brain to get the fungus.]]
** Actually, the ending doesn't argue with the meaning of morality at all. [[spoiler: Whatever you think his reason for saving Ellie was, he was still depriving humanity of a vaccine/cure and saving the life of a young girl, and lying to that girl to do it to salve whatever guilt she was feeling, knowing it was wrong, all at the same time. In other words, morality is meaningless because every choice is a cruel one no matter what you do, and every situation means someone has to suffer. Joel didn't make the ''morally sound'' decision, he made the ''selfish'' decision.]]
** speaking of which, why does Ellie [[spoiler: need to die in order for a possible cure to be made? Can't they just take a blood sample and work with
*** [[spoiler: They go over this in the game. The fungus grows in the brain, and the fungus in Ellie's brain is mutated and that's what makes her immune. They have to remove her brain to get the fungus.]]
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* So I'm just curious, this whole game and even the commercials hammer into you that morality means nothing in this world and it's just about survival. So if that's the case, why does Joel go so out of his way to save Ellie in the end? Is he admitting he was wrong, or is he just a hypocrite?
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* So I'm just curious, this whole game and even the commercials hammer into you that morality means nothing in this world and it's just about survival. So if that's the case, why does Joel go so out of his way to save Ellie in the end? Is he admitting he was wrong, or is he just a hypocrite?hypocrite?
** speaking of which, why does Ellie need to die in order for a possible cure to be made? Can't they just take a blood sample and work with that?
** speaking of which, why does Ellie need to die in order for a possible cure to be made? Can't they just take a blood sample and work with that?
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** A map you find labels the area as Wyoming.
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** A map you find labels the area as Wyoming.Wyoming.
* So I'm just curious, this whole game and even the commercials hammer into you that morality means nothing in this world and it's just about survival. So if that's the case, why does Joel go so out of his way to save Ellie in the end? Is he admitting he was wrong, or is he just a hypocrite?
* So I'm just curious, this whole game and even the commercials hammer into you that morality means nothing in this world and it's just about survival. So if that's the case, why does Joel go so out of his way to save Ellie in the end? Is he admitting he was wrong, or is he just a hypocrite?
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** To be fair, they never just take a day for anything, period, outside of crippling injury or other hangups that prevent them from going forward. It's irritating, but between how unsafe the water usually is and how rarely they come across it outside of the obstacles it represents, there's more risk than it's probably worth.
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* It takes months upon months for Joel and Ellie to cross the country, and apparently not once did they ever take just one day to teach Ellie how to swim, at least a doggy paddle.
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** It's probably Jackson, WY based on the fact that you have to cross a hydroelectric dam fortified on the Snake River.
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** It's probably Jackson, WY based on the fact that you have to cross a hydroelectric dam fortified on the Snake River.River.
** A map you find labels the area as Wyoming.
** A map you find labels the area as Wyoming.
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** Maybe, [[spoiler:she's just plain not as durable as Joel.]]
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** It's probably Jackson, WY based on the fact that you have to cross a hydroelectric dam fortified on the Snake River.
*** Turn's out there's a Jackson Lake Dam. Well I'm convinced.
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** It's probably Jackson, WY based on the fact that you have to cross a hydroelectric dam fortified on the Snake River.
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*** Turn's out there's a Jackson Lake Dam. Well I'm convinced.
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* Where is the "Jackson" in this game? I could have sworn I saw a Jackson County sign in game which would place it in that Colorado county where there isn't actually a Jackson city but, you know, post apocalypse. I'm also hearing a lot of mentions of Wyoming which would place it in Jackson, Wyoming. Which is it?
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* Where is the "Jackson" in this game? I could have sworn I saw a Jackson County sign in game which would place it in that Colorado county where there isn't actually a Jackson city but, you know, post apocalypse. I'm also hearing a lot of mentions of Wyoming which would place it in Jackson, Wyoming. Which is it?it?
** It's probably Jackson, WY based on the fact that you have to cross a hydroelectric dam fortified on the Snake River.
** It's probably Jackson, WY based on the fact that you have to cross a hydroelectric dam fortified on the Snake River.
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** Maybe, [[spoiler:she's just plain not as durable as Joel.]]
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*Where is the "Jackson" in this game? I could have sworn I saw a Jackson County sign in game which would place it in that Colorado county where there isn't actually a Jackson city but, you know, post apocalypse. I'm also hearing a lot of mentions of Wyoming which would place it in Jackson, Wyoming. Which is it?
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** Maybe could be put as [[GameplayAndStorySegregation Gameplay And Story Segregation]]. Would imagine Bloaters are so threatening in universe due to the fact that they can throw around the infection pretty willy-nilly. Now, dialogue suggests it takes a fair amount of spore inhalation to get infected, but considering how much an aware bloater can put out... [[spoiler: Ellie's]] vulnerability could alternately be used to conjecture that the spores from bloaters are perhaps caustic as well as/instead of directly infectious.
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** Maybe could be put as [[GameplayAndStorySegregation Gameplay And Story Segregation]]. Would imagine Bloaters are so threatening in universe due to the fact that they can throw around the infection pretty willy-nilly. Now, dialogue suggests it takes a fair amount of spore inhalation to get infected, but considering how much an aware bloater can put out... [[spoiler: Ellie's]] vulnerability could alternately be used to conjecture that the spores from bloaters are perhaps caustic as well as/instead of directly infectious.infectious.
** Maybe, [[spoiler:she's just plain not as durable as Joel.]]
** Maybe, [[spoiler:she's just plain not as durable as Joel.]]
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** It could be that the damage isn't so much from infection as it is that the spores are screwing up your respiratory system or growing a short lived version of the [[InsistentTerminology Cordyceps Fungus]]. [[BodyHorror In your]] ''[[FridgeHorror lungs]]''.
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** It could be that the damage isn't so much from infection as it is that the spores are screwing up your respiratory system or growing a short lived version of the [[InsistentTerminology Cordyceps Fungus]]. [[BodyHorror In your]] ''[[FridgeHorror lungs]]''.lungs]]''.
** Maybe could be put as [[GameplayAndStorySegregation Gameplay And Story Segregation]]. Would imagine Bloaters are so threatening in universe due to the fact that they can throw around the infection pretty willy-nilly. Now, dialogue suggests it takes a fair amount of spore inhalation to get infected, but considering how much an aware bloater can put out... [[spoiler: Ellie's]] vulnerability could alternately be used to conjecture that the spores from bloaters are perhaps caustic as well as/instead of directly infectious.
** Maybe could be put as [[GameplayAndStorySegregation Gameplay And Story Segregation]]. Would imagine Bloaters are so threatening in universe due to the fact that they can throw around the infection pretty willy-nilly. Now, dialogue suggests it takes a fair amount of spore inhalation to get infected, but considering how much an aware bloater can put out... [[spoiler: Ellie's]] vulnerability could alternately be used to conjecture that the spores from bloaters are perhaps caustic as well as/instead of directly infectious.
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* Bloaters throw spores at their victims to further spread the infection. These spores seem to be not as effective as the normal ones though, as Joel just loses energy when running through them and doesn't need to use his gas mask, suggesting that one needs to breath in large amounts of them to get infected. However, during the winter chapter when[[spoiler: Ellie]] teams up with[[spoiler: David]], they have to fight a Bloater and [[spoiler: Ellie]] can be hurt by breathing in the spores it throws at them. [[spoiler: She is completely [[TheImmune immune]] to even the (stronger) normal spores, [[ViolationOfCommonSense so why are the weaker ones dangerous for her?]] ]] That is, if it is not just an oversight on part of the developers.
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* Bloaters throw spores at their victims to further spread the infection. These spores seem to be not as effective as the normal ones though, as Joel just loses energy when running through them and doesn't need to use his gas mask, suggesting that one needs to breath in large amounts of them to get infected. However, during the winter chapter when[[spoiler: Ellie]] teams up with[[spoiler: David]], they have to fight a Bloater and [[spoiler: Ellie]] can be hurt by breathing in the spores it throws at them. [[spoiler: She is completely [[TheImmune immune]] to even the (stronger) normal spores, [[ViolationOfCommonSense so why are the weaker ones dangerous for her?]] ]] That is, if it is not just an oversight on part of the developers.developers.
** It could be that the damage isn't so much from infection as it is that the spores are screwing up your respiratory system or growing a short lived version of the [[InsistentTerminology Cordyceps Fungus]]. [[BodyHorror In your]] ''[[FridgeHorror lungs]]''.
** It could be that the damage isn't so much from infection as it is that the spores are screwing up your respiratory system or growing a short lived version of the [[InsistentTerminology Cordyceps Fungus]]. [[BodyHorror In your]] ''[[FridgeHorror lungs]]''.
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