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** There are two other.
** First, the Cthaeh lives in a place where times doesn't flow as it does in the real world, so "5000 years" to him might have a completely different meaning for the Four Corners. Second, Skarpi and Felurian. Felurian, old as she can be, is not quite interested in history, so she most likely just doesn't know (not everyone would know when the punic wars were actually fought, most would just know it was ''really'' a long time ago), and Skarpi is still a storyteller, he himself admits to have changed some details to make the story sound better, and "so long that no one remembers it" sound better than "something more than 5000 years ago" (plus, over 5000 years ago might mean two or three hundreds years, even more if you consider that the resulting empire is ruled by Aleph, by some believed the actual god who created the whole world).

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** There are two other.
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First, the Cthaeh lives in a place where times doesn't flow as it does in the real world, so "5000 years" to him might have a completely different meaning for the Four Corners. Corners.
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Second, Skarpi and Felurian. Felurian, old as she can be, is not quite interested in history, so she most likely just doesn't know (not everyone would know when the punic wars were actually fought, most would just know it was ''really'' a long time ago), and Skarpi is still a storyteller, he himself admits to have changed some details to make the story sound better, and "so long that no one remembers it" sound better than "something more than 5000 years ago" (plus, over 5000 years ago might mean two or three hundreds years, even more if you consider that the resulting empire is ruled by Aleph, by some believed the actual god who created the whole world).
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* Considering how the other Adem treat him, I wouldn't rule out that he did it out of spite. Conversely, it might just be that they treat him poorly simply because he's far less xenophobic than his peers, as evidenced by his willingness to teach Kvothe in the first place.
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It's entirely possible to engage in selective breeding while considering only the traits of the mother. It's not nearly as effective or efficient as understanding that both parents contribute traits to offspring, but it can be done - with many plant crops, in fact, that's traditionally how breeding WAS done, because the supplier of pollen often couldn't be known.

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** It's entirely possible to engage in selective breeding while considering only the traits of the mother. It's not nearly as effective or efficient as understanding that both parents contribute traits to offspring, but it can be done - with many plant crops, in fact, that's traditionally how breeding WAS done, because the supplier of pollen often couldn't be known.known.
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It's entirely possible to engage in selective breeding while considering only the traits of the mother. It's not nearly as effective or efficient as understanding that both parents contribute traits to offspring, but it can be done - with many plant crops, in fact, that's traditionally how breeding WAS done, because the supplier of pollen often couldn't be known.
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*** He changed his name. He is Kote, and Kote can't do all the things Kvothe could.


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*** I was always of the impression that Elodin asks this question at every admissions, that his doing so is a big joke on campus, and that Manet was making that joke in the earlier excerpt.
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* As I recall, Kvothe describes how his brain partially shut down while he was an urchin, so perhaps he didn't have the strength of mind or wasn't able to access that part of himself.
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Why did Kvothe never use Sympathy while he was starving on the streets of Tarbean? He had enough training with Ben to make E'lir, and that was with being three years out of practice. He could have found a lot of uses for being able to move objects from a distance, start fires, or create voodoo dolls. In some cases these would have been matters of survival. Instead, he seemingly forgets he has this incredibly useful tools for three years.

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Why did Kvothe never use Sympathy while he was starving on the streets of Tarbean? He had enough training with Ben to make E'lir, and that was with being three years out of practice. He could have found a lot of uses for being able to move objects from a distance, start fires, or create voodoo dolls. In some cases these would have been matters of survival. Instead, he seemingly forgets he has this incredibly useful tools tool for three years.
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Why did Kvothe never use Sympathy while he was starving on the streets of Tarbean? He had enough training with Ben to make E'lir. He could have found a lot of uses for being able to move objects from a distance, start fires, or creating voodoo dolls. In some cases these would have been matters of survival. Instead, he seemingly forgets he has useful tool for three years.

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Why did Kvothe never use Sympathy while he was starving on the streets of Tarbean? He had enough training with Ben to make E'lir. E'lir, and that was with being three years out of practice. He could have found a lot of uses for being able to move objects from a distance, start fires, or creating create voodoo dolls. In some cases these would have been matters of survival. Instead, he seemingly forgets he has this incredibly useful tool tools for three years.
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Why did Kvothe never use Sympathy while he was starving on the streets of Tarbean? He had enough training with Ben to make E'lir. He could have found a lot of uses for being able to move objects from a distance, start fires, or creating voodoo dolls. In some cases these would have been matters of survival. Instead, he seemingly forgets he has useful tool for three years.

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Why does Tempi train Kvothe in Adem martial arts and Lethani, [[spoiler: knowing that it's one of the worst taboos of his society, punishable by death or explusion]]?

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Why does Tempi train Kvothe in Adem martial arts and Lethani, [[spoiler: knowing that it's one of the worst taboos of his society, punishable by death or explusion]]?explusion?


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* Also, Tempi is revealed to be pretty foolish as far as Adem go and only seems to realize what a potentially grave mistake it was after he returns to his countrymen and everyone freaks out.
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**** I really don't see how this excerpt addresses the point in question. We already know that the Maer will pay whatever bill the bursar sends him, whether it's (A) a normal tuition, (B) a tuition that Kvothe has inflated by intentionally flunking his exams, or (C) an amount far greater than Kvothe's real tuition that the bursar simply invents. No matter what they do, the Maer will send the money. The question is how the University gets the money it expects. For that reason, they should be using Plan C, but but all evidence points to the pair actually using Plan B, since Kvothe ''is'' inflating his tuition by flunking his exams.
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*** Quoting from the book: ''I drew the bursar's attention to the fact that the Maer's letter would allow the University to draw any amount needed to cover my tuition. Any amount''. It would make no sense to emphasize this point, and then proceed to abandon it in favor of embezzling the University. I think Kvothe's description of the arrangement might just have been poorly worded.

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** The Adem don't believe that animals reproduce through sexual intercourse either. They believe that sex has nothing to do with reproduction. They don't even have a word for father. If they did conceed that animals reproduce sexually, just not humans, then the argument would have been much different. The culture would also have a word for father, because they'd need to use it for animals.

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** The Adem don't believe that animals reproduce through sexual intercourse either. They believe that sex has nothing to do with reproduction. They don't even have a word for father. If they did conceed concede that animals reproduce sexually, just not humans, then the argument would have been much different. The culture would also have a word for father, because they'd need to use it for animals.



*** I completely understand that the Adem would be ''able'' to believe that animals reproduce sexually while still maintaining that humans do not, but all evidence suggests that they ''don't'' believe it.





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*** I do admit that this would be the best version of the scheme to avoid both a deficit and a surplus in the school coffers, but I don't recall the text either stating or implying that they're charging the Maer more than the school's official bill. I'd have to reread the section again.
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** The best the book offers to explain that one is Penthe dismissing a fallacy with another (and far more blatant) fallacy, and even then the book only acknowledges the first one as a fallacy.
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*** Again, all that is beside the point: it was never said that they knowingly believe lies or that they deliberately live secret lives. They don't, but they still ''are'' hypocrites, they just don't know that they are and don't care about finding out. As for the Doylist explanation, it's really only a matter of perspective, it remains a headscratcher.

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*** Again, all that is beside the point: it was never said that they knowingly believe lies or that they deliberately live secret lives. They don't, but they still ''are'' hypocrites, they just don't know care that they are and don't care about finding out.out how. As for the Doylist explanation, it's really only a matter of perspective, it remains a headscratcher. Also, just because a line goes against a particular interpretation doesn't mean that everyone should dismiss it. Nothing says that Vashet is not merely voicing what all the Adem think, and in my interpretation, that's exactly what she's doing. They're a bunch of anti-intellectuals and happy about it.
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*** Again, all that is beside the point: it was never said that they knowingly believe lies or that they deliberately live secret lives. They don't, but they still ''are'' hypocrites, they just don't know that they are and don't care about finding out. As for the Doylist explanation, it's really only a matter of perspective, it remains a headscratcher.
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**If the Masters set Kvothe's tuition at 25 talents, the bursar can't just withdraw 60 talents from the Maer's account and put it into the universities coffers--someone would notice that Kvothe overpayed (or was overcharged) for his tuition. Thus, by sandbagging for an unusually high (for him) tuition of 60 talents, Kvothe gives the bursar the power to give the university more money from the Maer's account. So, the bursar is in turn paying him half of that extra money as a commission for doing so. The 25 talent commission is either charged to the University coffers, the Maer's account as a higher tuition than Kvothe was really given, or the bursar's own funds. The University would notice the missing talents as easy as they would have noticed Kvothe over paying, and the bursar would never agree to pay Kvothe's commission at no real reward to himself, so the ''only'' logical conclusion is that they're overcharging the Maer.
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**** When I said "knowingly believe lies," I meant it in the sense of knowing that their society's beliefs (the things they say are true) are lies, not doing ''1984''-style doublethink. Nothing in the text supports the idea that the Adem are all aware that they're speaking hogwash, that their fundamental philosophy is founded on untruth, and that they're all living double lives publicly agreeing on nonsense while privately studding out their prize male livestock to make better leather, unwilling to admit that they're all hypocrites. Rather, they base their whole society on the validity of their beliefs and argue stringently in support of them. Only Vashet's flippant response to Kvothe's relentless argumentation suggests otherwise, and like I said before, speaks more to the exact lack of scientific curiosity that you would expect from a society that never figured out sexual reproduction. Rather than a massive lie at the center of the culture that goes completely unexplored, I would think that the obvious Doylist explanation is that Rothfuss just didn't think about domestication when he wrote about how great Adem products were.


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** I'm assuming that the bursar does not charge the Maer more than what the tuition was set at. It's never stated in the text that he does. If the bursar is changing the tuition in his bill to the Maer in the first place, why does Kvothe need to go through the whole rigmarole of driving up his tuition? The actual tuition would be irrelevant at that point. Their system would be unnecessarily complicated and add unneeded variables into Kvothe's income, when they could have just agreed to have the bursar charge whatever he wants and kick down a set stipend to Kvothe each semester. That would avoid the suspicious and embarrassing theatrics of Kvothe flunking every exam and guarantee Kvothe that he has enough to live on at a stable comfort level. I think all the details suggest that Kvothe and the bursar's plan needs Kvothe to drive up the tuition as high as possible because that's the exact amount that they're charging the Maer.


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* It might only be well-known to the children at that tavern because it's one of the tales that Skarpi knows and tells. He might be their only source for the tale, so it would still be a rare story outside of that tavern.
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*** Naming seems to give a person the ability to spout accurate things when they're making an AssPull. So it could be a combination of all the above.
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Why do Denna and Ash have to go to such lengths to piece together the story of Lanre(she mentions how it's a lot of work), when the Skarpi scene introduces it as a well-known tale? Skarpi has reason to know it because he's more than just a random storyteller - he's connected to Chronicler - yet why do all the children know it? If Lanre isn't a famous - if shadowy - folk hero, then why do all the children agree that they want to hear Lanre? How did Lanre go from famous to obscure?
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* The basic answer is he likes Kvothe. Kvothe was the only one to actually try and get to know him while he was cut off from his culture and struck in a strange land. Plus Kvothe's natural curiousity for knowledge meant that Kvothe was learning about the Adem stuff just by watching him. Tempi explained to the other adem that he saw Kvothe as being worthy of being taught the Lethani, which is probably true or atleast the other leaders came to see it as true. And, if you look back at his interactions with Kvothe through the forest after learning about the Adem ways, you might even go as far as think Tempi is romantically attracted to Kvothe, what with how into it he was when Kvothe playing music. So, basically, platonic or not, Kvothe was special to him and he shared what was a sacred part of himself with Kvothe.
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* Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the OP think that the Bursar is not overcharging the maer? As in, when Kvothe's tuition is 24 talents, he thinks the Bursar charges the Maer 24 talents, and then only actually gives 10 talents to the school? Because if it is, I think the OP just misread the implications, because what he's describing about overcharging the Maer is basically exactly what the deal is. Half of everything over 10 talents split between them means that if Kvothe's tuition is 24 talents, they're gonna charge the Maer 38 talents and split the extra between them. If that's not what the OP is getting at, then I think they're referring to Kvothe being immediately paid, meaning that the Bursar is going in the schools coffers and giving the money directly. Something like that would be noticeable in our modern economic system of paper money run by computers that record every transaction. The fantasy world of Temerant, however, uses not just metal coinage, but coinage of multiple currencies that I don't think can be accounted for with the same efficiency. So I imagine that the Bursar is comfortable taking money from the university because he replenishes it as soon he gets the tuition money from the banks - a short enough amount of time that someone discovering there is money missing isn't realistic. They'd basically have to do it as soon as the Bursar headed off to the bank, on the financially busiest day of the year. If we assume that the Bursar A. can take money from the coffers without recording the transaction and B. quickly replenishes the amount by overcharging the Maer, there is very little space where a discrepancy with money would exist.

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* Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the OP think that the Bursar is not overcharging the maer? As in, when Kvothe's tuition is 24 talents, he thinks the Bursar charges the Maer 24 talents, and then only actually gives 10 talents to the school? Because if it is, I think the OP just misread the implications, because what he's describing about overcharging the Maer is basically exactly what the deal is. Half of everything over 10 talents split between them means that if Kvothe's tuition is 24 talents, they're gonna charge the Maer 38 talents and split the extra between them. If that's not what the OP is getting at, then I think they're referring to Kvothe being immediately paid, meaning that the Bursar is going in the schools coffers and giving the money directly. Something like that would be noticeable in our modern economic system of paper money run by computers that record every transaction. The fantasy world of Temerant, however, uses not just metal coinage, but coinage of multiple currencies that I don't think can be accounted for with the same efficiency. So I imagine that the Bursar is comfortable taking money from the university because he replenishes it as soon he gets the tuition money from the banks - a short enough amount of time that someone discovering there is money missing isn't realistic. They'd basically have to do it as soon as the Bursar headed off to the bank, on the financially busiest day of the year. If we assume that the Bursar A. can take money from the coffers without recording the transaction and B. quickly replenishes the amount by overcharging the Maer, the time window where there is very little space where a discrepancy with money missing would exist.be very small.
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* Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the OP think that the Bursar is not overcharging the maer? As in, when Kvothe's tuition is 24 talents, he thinks the Bursar charges the Maer 24 talents, and then only actually gives 10 talents to the school? Because if it is, I think the OP just misread the implications, because what he's describing about overcharging the Maer is basically exactly what the deal is. Half of everything over 10 talents split between them means that if Kvothe's tuition is 24 talents, they're gonna charge the Maer 38 talents and split the extra between them. If that's not what the OP is getting at, then I think they're referring to Kvothe being immediately paid, meaning that the Bursar is going in the schools coffers and giving the money directly. Something like that would be noticeable in our modern economic system of paper money run by computers that record every transaction. The fantasy world of Temerant, however, uses not just metal coinage, but coinage of multiple currencies that I don't think can be accounted for with the same efficiency. So I imagine that the Bursar is comfortable taking money from the university because he replenishes it as soon he gets the tuition money from the banks - a short enough amount of time that someone discovering there is money missing isn't realistic. They'd basically have to do it as soon as the Bursar headed off to the bank.

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* Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the OP think that the Bursar is not overcharging the maer? As in, when Kvothe's tuition is 24 talents, he thinks the Bursar charges the Maer 24 talents, and then only actually gives 10 talents to the school? Because if it is, I think the OP just misread the implications, because what he's describing about overcharging the Maer is basically exactly what the deal is. Half of everything over 10 talents split between them means that if Kvothe's tuition is 24 talents, they're gonna charge the Maer 38 talents and split the extra between them. If that's not what the OP is getting at, then I think they're referring to Kvothe being immediately paid, meaning that the Bursar is going in the schools coffers and giving the money directly. Something like that would be noticeable in our modern economic system of paper money run by computers that record every transaction. The fantasy world of Temerant, however, uses not just metal coinage, but coinage of multiple currencies that I don't think can be accounted for with the same efficiency. So I imagine that the Bursar is comfortable taking money from the university because he replenishes it as soon he gets the tuition money from the banks - a short enough amount of time that someone discovering there is money missing isn't realistic. They'd basically have to do it as soon as the Bursar headed off to the bank.bank, on the financially busiest day of the year. If we assume that the Bursar A. can take money from the coffers without recording the transaction and B. quickly replenishes the amount by overcharging the Maer, there is very little space where a discrepancy with money would exist.

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