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25th Feb '17 7:28:24 PM NanoMoose
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* Kvothe mentions offhand that he eats a herb as a contraceptive. Vashet's "poet king" likely did similar. One can be wrong without also being a liar and a hypocrite. Anyway, it's not as if it's the silliest thing any culture has ever believed about human reproduction.
21st Sep '16 9:22:45 AM Opunaesala
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*** This is supported by Kvothe chuckling "Forgot who I was there for a minute." after the fight is concluded. He started fighting well, then realized he is supposed to be "Kote" and not know how to fight.
3rd Aug '16 5:19:57 PM Discar
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*** Except, of course, when they do. Vashet spent quite a long while talking about her Poet King. Explicitly an outsider she had sex with.
*** Keep in mind, Vashet is frikken weird by Adem standards, because she herself is someone rather well traveled. The Adem are a culture, not a monolyth, and individuals are going to accept some norms of Adem society and reject others, like literally any other culture in the world. To think otherwise is to stereotype. So when the Adem say they don't have sex with outsiders as a rule, that's perfectly true. But that doesn't exclude the possibility of exceptions. Also, as far as her Poet King goes, we have no idea the circumstances of Vashet's relationship with him. Who knows, maybe she only consented when she drove enough Outsider out of him.
*** Vashet isn't "weird" and specially not because she's "well-traveled"; by the very nature of their business, ''all'' of the Adem have to be well-traveled: their main source of income is being paid swords. And nothing in Vashet's mentions of her poet king remotely implies that he even so much as trained a bit, unlike Kvothe, so, yes, he was an outsider. And this contradicts the second-level bullet anyway: It means the Adem don't explicitly not have sex with strangers; they can and will, making all of their ideas about pregnancy even more nonsensical. And there's no such thing as "stereotyping" fictional cultures; we don't expect consistency in real life because it's real life. Fiction isn't real life and, thus, if a culture is described, it ''should'' be consistent. If not, then we might as well drop the headscratchers section of every work altogether.

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*** ** Except, of course, when they do. Vashet spent quite a long while talking about her Poet King. Explicitly an outsider she had sex with.
*** ** Keep in mind, Vashet is frikken weird by Adem standards, because she herself is someone rather well traveled. The Adem are a culture, not a monolyth, and individuals are going to accept some norms of Adem society and reject others, like literally any other culture in the world. To think otherwise is to stereotype. So when the Adem say they don't have sex with outsiders as a rule, that's perfectly true. But that doesn't exclude the possibility of exceptions. Also, as far as her Poet King goes, we have no idea the circumstances of Vashet's relationship with him. Who knows, maybe she only consented when she drove enough Outsider out of him.
*** ** Vashet isn't "weird" and specially not because she's "well-traveled"; by the very nature of their business, ''all'' of the Adem have to be well-traveled: their main source of income is being paid swords. And nothing in Vashet's mentions of her poet king remotely implies that he even so much as trained a bit, unlike Kvothe, so, yes, he was an outsider. And this contradicts the second-level bullet anyway: It means the Adem don't explicitly not have sex with strangers; they can and will, making all of their ideas about pregnancy even more nonsensical. And there's no such thing as "stereotyping" fictional cultures; we don't expect consistency in real life because it's real life. Fiction isn't real life and, thus, if a culture is described, it ''should'' be consistent. If not, then we might as well drop the headscratchers section of every work altogether.



*** Kvothe explicitly mentioned the Chandrian as the root of his criticism of Denna's song. It was then that Denna called him a child.

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*** ** Kvothe explicitly mentioned the Chandrian as the root of his criticism of Denna's song. It was then that Denna called him a child.
3rd Aug '16 5:02:18 PM phylos
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** The Adem are a bunch of liars and hypocrites, they are aware their society doesn't make sense and don't care about it. Vashet explicitly said that she didn't care for for the truth.

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*** Vashet isn't "weird" and specially not because she's "well-traveled"; by the very nature of their business, ''all'' of the Adem have to be well-traveled: their main source of income is being paid swords. And nothing in Vashet's mentions of her poet king remotely implies that he even so much as trained a bit, unlike Kvothe, so, yes, he was an outsider. And this contradicts the second-level bullet anyway: It means the Adem don't explicitly not have sex with strangers; they can and will, making all of their ideas about pregnancy even more nonsensical. And there's no such thing as "stereotyping" fictional cultures; we don't expect consistency in real life because it's real life. Fiction isn't real life and, thus, if a culture is described, it ''should'' be consistent. If not, then we might as well drop the headscratchers section of every work altogether.
** The Adem are a bunch of liars and hypocrites, they are aware their society doesn't make sense and don't care about it. Vashet explicitly said that she didn't care for for the truth.
18th Apr '16 1:21:13 AM Jerkass
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*** Keep in mind, Vashet is frikken weird by Adem standards, because she herself is someone rather well traveled. The Adem a culture, and individuals are going to accept some norms of Adem society and reject others, like literally any other culture in the world. To think otherwise is to stereotype. So when the Adem say they don't have sex with outsiders as a rule, that's perfectly true. But that doesn't exclude the possibility of exceptions. Also, as far as her Poet King goes, we have no idea the circumstances of Vashet's relationship with him. Who knows, maybe she only consented when she drove enough Outsider out of him.

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*** Keep in mind, Vashet is frikken weird by Adem standards, because she herself is someone rather well traveled. The Adem are a culture, not a monolyth, and individuals are going to accept some norms of Adem society and reject others, like literally any other culture in the world. To think otherwise is to stereotype. So when the Adem say they don't have sex with outsiders as a rule, that's perfectly true. But that doesn't exclude the possibility of exceptions. Also, as far as her Poet King goes, we have no idea the circumstances of Vashet's relationship with him. Who knows, maybe she only consented when she drove enough Outsider out of him.
18th Apr '16 1:20:17 AM Jerkass
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*** Except we don't actually know the circumstances. Vashet may have come to know him well enough not to consider him too much of an outsider. Or otherwise, keep in mind, Vashet is frikken weird by Adem standards, because she herself is someone rather well traveled. The Adem a culture, and individuals are going to accept some norms of Adem society and reject others, like literally any other culture in the world. It's stereotyping to think otherwise.

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*** Except we don't actually know the circumstances. Vashet may have come to know him well enough not to consider him too much of an outsider. Or otherwise, keep Keep in mind, Vashet is frikken weird by Adem standards, because she herself is someone rather well traveled. The Adem a culture, and individuals are going to accept some norms of Adem society and reject others, like literally any other culture in the world. It's stereotyping to To think otherwise. otherwise is to stereotype. So when the Adem say they don't have sex with outsiders as a rule, that's perfectly true. But that doesn't exclude the possibility of exceptions. Also, as far as her Poet King goes, we have no idea the circumstances of Vashet's relationship with him. Who knows, maybe she only consented when she drove enough Outsider out of him.
18th Apr '16 1:18:13 AM Jerkass
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*** Except we don't actually know the circumstances. Vashet may have come to know him well enough not to consider him too much of an outsider. Or otherwise, keep in mind, Vashet is frikken weird by Adem standards, because she herself is someone rather well traveled. The Adem a culture, and individuals are going to accept some norms of Adem society and reject others, like literally any other culture in the world. It's stereotyping to think otherwise.
10th Jan '16 9:27:09 AM phylos
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*** Kvothe explicitly mentioned the Chandrian as the root of his criticism of Denna's song. It was then that Denna called him a child.
** The plot hole is not only Denna's complete change in attitude about the Seven in comparison with the first book but Kvothe himself calls it childish in the narration. He seems not to remember that Denna accepted the Chandrian once before.
10th Jan '16 9:04:50 AM phylos
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*** Except, of course, when they do. Vashet spent quite a long while talking about her Poet King. Explicitly an outsider she had sex with.
** The Adem are a bunch of liars and hypocrites, they are aware their society doesn't make sense and don't care about it. Vashet explicitly said that she didn't care for for the truth.
15th Nov '15 5:28:50 PM Jerkass
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** In any case, Denna doesn't know the Chandrian-Lanre connection. Kvothe objects to it on the sheer grounds that Lanre was an asshole, the Chandrian connection kept private. Denna may or may not believe in the Chandrian (given her interaction in the wedding and also the various implications of her life story, I would guess she's aware of them), but even if she has come to do so, it doesn't mean she will believe all folk tales. As far as I can tell, Denna just thinks she made a song about an obscure but otherwise random folk hero, and Kvothe is getting huffy for no reason she can understand because he won't tell her.
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