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* How can Peeta be called a traitor? To be a traitor, shouldn't there have to be an allegiance to betray in the first place? Peeta, in the movie, was never a member or ally of District 13. He was never a part of the rebellion. He even says he and Katniss had no idea of the plot that was going on to rescue them. (And they failed to rescue him anyway.) I can understand the 13'ers calling him a whole bunch of other names (Capitol-lover, coward, deluded) but ''traitor'' just doesn't apply.
** It's also strange how given what they know about the Capitol's tactics ''no one'' except Katniss (and briefly Gale) seems to entertain the idea that maybe he's being forced to say those things. Even in the later interviews where they've obviously tried to cover up the marks of torture but not succeeded. If he was on Team Capitol acting as their prime spokesperson, you'd think he would be pampered, not malnourished and pained. Yet everyone seems to think he's their willing enemy despite his physical and emotional state.
*** Nobody says he is willing. They simply don't talk about how he has been tortured and coerced, all of them (except Katniss) being much more concerned about the effect his words will have on the revolution than with him as a person. Also, about the interview where he appears on camera with clear signs of torture, pretty much nobody talks about that one at all because they're hoping Katniss didn't see it and are hiding it from her.
** This was William Wallace's defense at his trial. "I could not be a traitor to Edward, for I was never his subject." Spoiler: Edward still had him killed gruesomely. Just saying, there's historical precedent.
** It's also strange how given what they know about the Capitol's tactics ''no one'' except Katniss (and briefly Gale) seems to entertain the idea that maybe he's being forced to say those things. Even in the later interviews where they've obviously tried to cover up the marks of torture but not succeeded. If he was on Team Capitol acting as their prime spokesperson, you'd think he would be pampered, not malnourished and pained. Yet everyone seems to think he's their willing enemy despite his physical and emotional state.
*** Nobody says he is willing. They simply don't talk about how he has been tortured and coerced, all of them (except Katniss) being much more concerned about the effect his words will have on the revolution than with him as a person. Also, about the interview where he appears on camera with clear signs of torture, pretty much nobody talks about that one at all because they're hoping Katniss didn't see it and are hiding it from her.
** This was William Wallace's defense at his trial. "I could not be a traitor to Edward, for I was never his subject." Spoiler: Edward still had him killed gruesomely. Just saying, there's historical precedent.
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* For the film version of Mockingjay, where does Effie get all the fancy outfits near the end of part 2?
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* For the film version of Mockingjay, where Where does Effie get all the fancy outfits near the end of part 2?outfits?
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** In the last part of the movie, she must have access to her old outfits from the Capital.
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** In the last part of the movie, she must have access to her old outfits from the Capital.Capitol.
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** Coin was hoping that Peeta might take care of Katniss and she'd be out of the way. Or he might make things difficult for Katniss if the Capital's armies ambushed them - which he did when they first arrived.
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** Coin was hoping that Peeta might take care of Katniss and she'd be out of the way. Or he might make things difficult for Katniss if the Capital's Capitol's armies ambushed them - which he did when they first arrived.
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** At that point, the rebels were already invading the Capital, so it was one last, desperate gambit to try and get the rebels to surrender. Snow also executed the minister for losing District 2 in the first place.
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** At that point, the rebels were already invading the Capital, Capitol, so it was one last, desperate gambit to try and get the rebels to surrender. Snow also executed the minister for losing District 2 in the first place.
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* For the film version of Mockingjay, where does Effie get all these fancy outfits she is suddenly wearing in part 2?
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* For the film version of Mockingjay, where does Effie get all these the fancy outfits she is suddenly wearing in near the end of part 2?
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** It's also strange how given what they know about the Capitol's tactics ''no one'' except Katniss (and briefly Gale) seems to entertain the idea that maybe he's being forced to say those things. Even in the later interviews where they've obviously tried to cover up the marks of torture but not succeeded. If he was on Team Capitol acting as their prime spokesperson you'd think he would be pampered, not malnourished and pained. Yet everyone seems to think he's their willing enemy despite his physical and emotional state.
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** It's also strange how given what they know about the Capitol's tactics ''no one'' except Katniss (and briefly Gale) seems to entertain the idea that maybe he's being forced to say those things. Even in the later interviews where they've obviously tried to cover up the marks of torture but not succeeded. If he was on Team Capitol acting as their prime spokesperson spokesperson, you'd think he would be pampered, not malnourished and pained. Yet everyone seems to think he's their willing enemy despite his physical and emotional state.
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* Medicine is supposed to be rather advanced at the time when the story is set. The doctors in District 13 know enough about psychology to not only be aware of what Peeta has been subjected to and how it works ([[ArtisticLicenseMedicine even though it makes no real medical sense]], but that's an issue for a different day), but also to be able to partially cure him. So why the heck are they keeping him strapped down on a guerney in the middle of an extremely brightly lit room with a wall of windows? Not only does that make him feel more trapped, the bright lights overload his senses and prevent him from being able to sleep. Seriously, they use that as a torture method in real life - why subject his already traumatized, damaged and frightened brain to that? One of the most basic rules when treating a damaged brain is to limit sensory exposure - avoid bright lights, keep the radio and television turned off, etc. They cannot possibly be unaware of this. The wall of windows doesn't help, making him feel observed and studied at all times. Basically they took him from one prison cell to another, subjected him to even more torture, and then asked of him to trust them and allow them to heal him. What on earth were they thinking???
** It depends entirely on what the process of the Hijacking is. So far we only know that tracker jacker venom is injected with traumatic memories and the person is conditioned how they want. Could be that the bright lights might help if the hijacking was done in the dark (likely since it was to increase his fear) and the restraints were necessary due to his violent episodes. Also this was not brain damage in the sense that he was hit in the head, it was conditioning combined with drugs to alter the brain's threat response.
** It depends entirely on what the process of the Hijacking is. So far we only know that tracker jacker venom is injected with traumatic memories and the person is conditioned how they want. Could be that the bright lights might help if the hijacking was done in the dark (likely since it was to increase his fear) and the restraints were necessary due to his violent episodes. Also this was not brain damage in the sense that he was hit in the head, it was conditioning combined with drugs to alter the brain's threat response.
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* Medicine is supposed to be rather advanced at the time when the story is set. The doctors in District 13 know enough about psychology to not only be aware of what Peeta has been subjected to and how it works ([[ArtisticLicenseMedicine even though it makes no real medical sense]], but that's an issue for a different day), but also to be able to partially cure him. So why the heck are they keeping him strapped down on a guerney gurney in the middle of an extremely brightly lit room with a wall of windows? Not only does that make him feel more trapped, but the bright lights also overload his senses and prevent him from being able to sleep. Seriously, they use that as a torture method in real life - why subject his already traumatized, damaged and frightened brain to that? One of the most basic rules when treating a damaged brain is to limit sensory exposure - avoid bright lights, keep the radio and television turned off, etc. They cannot possibly be unaware of this. The wall of windows doesn't help, making him feel observed and studied at all times. Basically Basically, they took him from one prison cell to another, subjected him to even more torture, and then asked of him to trust them and allow them to heal him. What on earth were they thinking???
** It depends entirely on what the process of the Hijacking is. Sofar far, we only know that tracker jacker venom is injected with traumatic memories and the person is conditioned how they want. Could be that the bright lights might help if the hijacking was done in the dark (likely since it was to increase his fear) and the restraints were necessary due to his violent episodes. Also Also, this was not brain damage in the sense that he was hit in the head, it was conditioning combined with drugs to alter the brain's threat response.
** It depends entirely on what the process of the Hijacking is. So
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* For the film version of Mockingjay, where does Effie get all these fancy outfits she is suddenly wearing in part 2?
** In the last part of the movie, she must have access to her old outfits from the Capital.
** And the rules of District 13 are that she has to wear the jumpsuit. It doesn't mean she doesn't have some of her other outfits.
** Ever seen Project Runway? You can make fabric into other things if you have time. And what else does Effie have?
* How can Peeta be called a traitor? To be a traitor, shouldn't there have to be an allegiance to betray in the first place? Peeta, in the movie, was never a member or ally of District 13. He was never a part of the rebellion. He even says he and Katniss had no idea of the plot that was going on to rescue them. (And they failed to rescue him anyway.) I can understand the 13'ers calling him a whole bunch of other names (Capitol-lover, coward, deluded) but ''traitor'' just doesn't apply.
** It's also strange how given what they know about the Capitol's tactics ''no one'' except Katniss (and briefly Gale) seems to entertain the idea that maybe he's being forced to say those things. Even in the later interviews where they've obviously tried to cover up the marks of torture but not succeeded. If he was on Team Capitol acting as their prime spokesperson you'd think he would be pampered, not malnourished and pained. Yet everyone seems to think he's their willing enemy despite his physical and emotional state.
*** Nobody says he is willing. They simply don't talk about how he has been tortured and coerced, all of them (except Katniss) being much more concerned about the effect his words will have on the revolution than with him as a person. Also, about the interview where he appears on camera with clear signs of torture, pretty much nobody talks about that one at all because they're hoping Katniss didn't see it and are hiding it from her.
** This was William Wallace's defense at his trial. "I could not be a traitor to Edward, for I was never his subject." Spoiler: Edward still had him killed gruesomely. Just saying, there's historical precedent.
* Why would you ever give a mentally unstable man a firearm, even for propaganda purposes? Did they really think there was absolutely no chance at all of finding even a single unfired bullet in a war zone? Even if Peeta never got so lucky, he could still use it as a club (which he did).
** Coin was hoping that Peeta might take care of Katniss and she'd be out of the way. Or he might make things difficult for Katniss if the Capital's armies ambushed them - which he did when they first arrived.
* Why, after killing one of his own subordinates for declaring Katniss dead without confirmation, would President Snow go on to do the exact same thing?
** At that point, the rebels were already invading the Capital, so it was one last, desperate gambit to try and get the rebels to surrender. Snow also executed the minister for losing District 2 in the first place.
* Medicine is supposed to be rather advanced at the time when the story is set. The doctors in District 13 know enough about psychology to not only be aware of what Peeta has been subjected to and how it works ([[ArtisticLicenseMedicine even though it makes no real medical sense]], but that's an issue for a different day), but also to be able to partially cure him. So why the heck are they keeping him strapped down on a guerney in the middle of an extremely brightly lit room with a wall of windows? Not only does that make him feel more trapped, the bright lights overload his senses and prevent him from being able to sleep. Seriously, they use that as a torture method in real life - why subject his already traumatized, damaged and frightened brain to that? One of the most basic rules when treating a damaged brain is to limit sensory exposure - avoid bright lights, keep the radio and television turned off, etc. They cannot possibly be unaware of this. The wall of windows doesn't help, making him feel observed and studied at all times. Basically they took him from one prison cell to another, subjected him to even more torture, and then asked of him to trust them and allow them to heal him. What on earth were they thinking???
** It depends entirely on what the process of the Hijacking is. So far we only know that tracker jacker venom is injected with traumatic memories and the person is conditioned how they want. Could be that the bright lights might help if the hijacking was done in the dark (likely since it was to increase his fear) and the restraints were necessary due to his violent episodes. Also this was not brain damage in the sense that he was hit in the head, it was conditioning combined with drugs to alter the brain's threat response.
** In the last part of the movie, she must have access to her old outfits from the Capital.
** And the rules of District 13 are that she has to wear the jumpsuit. It doesn't mean she doesn't have some of her other outfits.
** Ever seen Project Runway? You can make fabric into other things if you have time. And what else does Effie have?
* How can Peeta be called a traitor? To be a traitor, shouldn't there have to be an allegiance to betray in the first place? Peeta, in the movie, was never a member or ally of District 13. He was never a part of the rebellion. He even says he and Katniss had no idea of the plot that was going on to rescue them. (And they failed to rescue him anyway.) I can understand the 13'ers calling him a whole bunch of other names (Capitol-lover, coward, deluded) but ''traitor'' just doesn't apply.
** It's also strange how given what they know about the Capitol's tactics ''no one'' except Katniss (and briefly Gale) seems to entertain the idea that maybe he's being forced to say those things. Even in the later interviews where they've obviously tried to cover up the marks of torture but not succeeded. If he was on Team Capitol acting as their prime spokesperson you'd think he would be pampered, not malnourished and pained. Yet everyone seems to think he's their willing enemy despite his physical and emotional state.
*** Nobody says he is willing. They simply don't talk about how he has been tortured and coerced, all of them (except Katniss) being much more concerned about the effect his words will have on the revolution than with him as a person. Also, about the interview where he appears on camera with clear signs of torture, pretty much nobody talks about that one at all because they're hoping Katniss didn't see it and are hiding it from her.
** This was William Wallace's defense at his trial. "I could not be a traitor to Edward, for I was never his subject." Spoiler: Edward still had him killed gruesomely. Just saying, there's historical precedent.
* Why would you ever give a mentally unstable man a firearm, even for propaganda purposes? Did they really think there was absolutely no chance at all of finding even a single unfired bullet in a war zone? Even if Peeta never got so lucky, he could still use it as a club (which he did).
** Coin was hoping that Peeta might take care of Katniss and she'd be out of the way. Or he might make things difficult for Katniss if the Capital's armies ambushed them - which he did when they first arrived.
* Why, after killing one of his own subordinates for declaring Katniss dead without confirmation, would President Snow go on to do the exact same thing?
** At that point, the rebels were already invading the Capital, so it was one last, desperate gambit to try and get the rebels to surrender. Snow also executed the minister for losing District 2 in the first place.
* Medicine is supposed to be rather advanced at the time when the story is set. The doctors in District 13 know enough about psychology to not only be aware of what Peeta has been subjected to and how it works ([[ArtisticLicenseMedicine even though it makes no real medical sense]], but that's an issue for a different day), but also to be able to partially cure him. So why the heck are they keeping him strapped down on a guerney in the middle of an extremely brightly lit room with a wall of windows? Not only does that make him feel more trapped, the bright lights overload his senses and prevent him from being able to sleep. Seriously, they use that as a torture method in real life - why subject his already traumatized, damaged and frightened brain to that? One of the most basic rules when treating a damaged brain is to limit sensory exposure - avoid bright lights, keep the radio and television turned off, etc. They cannot possibly be unaware of this. The wall of windows doesn't help, making him feel observed and studied at all times. Basically they took him from one prison cell to another, subjected him to even more torture, and then asked of him to trust them and allow them to heal him. What on earth were they thinking???
** It depends entirely on what the process of the Hijacking is. So far we only know that tracker jacker venom is injected with traumatic memories and the person is conditioned how they want. Could be that the bright lights might help if the hijacking was done in the dark (likely since it was to increase his fear) and the restraints were necessary due to his violent episodes. Also this was not brain damage in the sense that he was hit in the head, it was conditioning combined with drugs to alter the brain's threat response.
