History Headscratchers / TheHunchbackOfNotreDame

11th Sep '17 1:28:25 PM huntdaddy
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* Why did Quasimodo remain on the stage when he was chosen for the King of Fools contest? He was obviously very nervous about being at the festival as it was, so why did he allow himself to get put on the spot after the whole "mask" misunderstanding?
9th Sep '17 10:32:46 PM ElizaAnne
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** And another thing, turning herself in would not necessarily be the right thing to do either; if Frollo was willing to burn down a whole city to get to one girl, then turning herself in would have been appeasement. People like Frollo should be confronted, rather than given what they want.

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** And another thing, turning herself in would not necessarily be the right thing to do either; if Frollo was willing to burn down a whole city to get to one girl, then turning herself in would have been appeasement. People like Frollo should be confronted, rather than given what they want. And whose to say he wouldn't have don something similar to another girl in the future?



***Absolutely. And he wasn't actually destroying anything important or of note- it's not like he was burning noblemens' chateaus or historical buildings. He was burning peasants' houses for the most part, and none of the upper class would care. As the above said, a "peasant rebellion" could be an easy excuse.



** This is pretty common in Disney to have male children look like the father and female children look like the mother. Although this is mostly seen with movies featuring animal protagonists (Lady and the Tramp and Aristocats for example)

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** This is pretty common in Disney to have male children look like the father and female children look like the mother. Although mother, although this is mostly seen with movies featuring animal protagonists (Lady and the Tramp and Aristocats for example)



*** ... maybe she bought some shoes? City streets are ''disgusting'', and walking around barefoot there is just begging to get coarse, leathery feet covered in cuts and infections. It's pretty possible she was only shoeless because she was impoverished.
*** She's married to Phoebus, a man who has money. He probably bought her the shoes especially since she's no longer a poor person. It could also be a social status.

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*** ... maybe she bought some shoes? City streets are ''disgusting'', and walking around barefoot there is just begging to get coarse, leathery feet covered in cuts and infections. It's pretty possible she was only shoeless because she was impoverished.
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impoverished. She married to Phoebus, a man who has money. He probably is implied to have money, and was no longer poor, so he presumably bought her the shoes especially since she's no longer a poor person. It could also be a social status.shoes.



*** That white 'dress' is not actually a dress. Its an underdress, basically her underwear.

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*** That white 'dress' is not actually a dress. Its an underdress, underdress or chemise, basically her underwear.



* How exactly was Frollo going to get Esmeralda out of the stake if she HAD agreed to marry him? The amount of bullshitting he would have had to do would have been epic.

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* How exactly was Frollo going to get Esmeralda out of the stake if she HAD agreed to marry submit to him? The amount of bullshitting he would have had to do would have been epic.




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***Not to mention, this is set in a time when certain people were considered infalliable. One did not just question a public official. If he had just let her go, most would have either done the above and gone "cool, he's acting normal again" or said "oh, okay," and gone about their lives.



** ^^Yes, carbon monoxide poisoning is extremely dangerous and likely the reason for her passing out. During historical witch burnings people would actually direct smoke away from the fire in order to make the woman being burned stay conscious (and thus in pain) longer, because of how quickly it would make someone faint. They didn't do that here, probably because it would have been way too sadistic for a Disney movie, so all that CO-filled smoke is going directly into her lungs. It could also be a natural reaction to panic- some people faint when getting blood drawn, it's not unrealistic to think that Esmeralda would have a similar reaction to literally being put to death. (Keep in mind she's being told during this that she's an unholy demon and she's going to Hell in a setting where nearly everyone is Christian. That alone would be enough to terrify someone.) Or it could be pain- fire is hot, and was probably burning her feet/legs. The combination of carbon monoxide, primal fear and the heat of the fire could have made her pass out in just a few minutes.

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** ^^Yes, carbon monoxide poisoning is extremely dangerous and likely the reason for her passing out. During historical witch burnings people would actually direct smoke away from the fire in order to make the woman being burned stay conscious (and thus in pain) longer, because of how quickly it would make someone faint. They didn't do that here, probably because it would have been way too sadistic for a Disney movie, so all that CO-filled smoke is going directly into her lungs. It could also be a natural reaction to panic- some people faint when getting blood drawn, it's not unrealistic to think that Esmeralda would have a similar reaction to literally being put to death. (Keep in mind she's being told during this that she's an unholy demon and she's going to Hell in a setting where nearly everyone is Christian. That The fear of that alone would be enough to terrify someone.) Or it could be pain- fire is hot, and was probably burning her feet/legs. The combination of carbon monoxide, primal fear and the heat of the fire could have made her pass out in just a few minutes.


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**Maybe they gave the horse to another soldier to use and said solider happened to be there, but the horse remembered Phoebus enough to recognize him and his commands. After all, well-bred and well-trained war horses weren't a dime a dozen; why waste one because its owner betrayed you?


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***Yes. A kick to the head that strong coupled with hitting the stone can kill someone easily.


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***Kyrie elison?
2nd Sep '17 7:20:56 PM Historian1912
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** Frollo was quite likely killed by the impact of hitting the ground if the lead was less deep than it appears. If its as deep as it looked (based on him disappearing into it), its probably best not thinking about what his death was like being submurged in molten lead.
28th Aug '17 9:07:04 PM dean5
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* Two questions here. First, how exactly did Frollo die? Was it from falling several stories down, the molten lead (which could't have been THAT deep), or a mixture of these and other factors? Also what was the reason people were hailing Quasimodo as a hero in the end? He undeniably accomplished many heroic feats, but what is he being recognized for? Standing up for the people, killing the corrupt Frollo, or (like before) all of the above?

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* Two questions here. First, how exactly did Frollo die? Was it from falling several stories down, the molten lead (which could't have been THAT deep), or a mixture of these and other factors? Also what was the reason people were hailing Quasimodo as a hero in the end? He undeniably accomplished many heroic feats, but what is he being recognized for? Standing up for the people, killing leading to the fall of the corrupt Frollo, or (like before) all of the above?
28th Aug '17 4:30:43 PM dean5
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* Two questions here. First, how exactly did Frollo die? Was it from falling several stories down, the molten lead (which could't have been THAT deep), or a mixture of these and other factors? Also what was the reason people were hailing Quasimodo as a hero in the end. He undeniably accomplished many heroics, but what is he being recognized for? Standing up for the people, killing the corrupt Frollo, or (like before) all of the above?

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* Two questions here. First, how exactly did Frollo die? Was it from falling several stories down, the molten lead (which could't have been THAT deep), or a mixture of these and other factors? Also what was the reason people were hailing Quasimodo as a hero in the end. end? He undeniably accomplished many heroics, heroic feats, but what is he being recognized for? Standing up for the people, killing the corrupt Frollo, or (like before) all of the above?
28th Aug '17 4:29:57 PM dean5
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* Two questions here. First, how exactly did Frollo die? Was it from falling several stories down, the molten lead (which could't have been THAT deep), or a mixture of these and other factors? Also what was the reason people were hailing Quasimodo as a hero in the end. He undeniably accomplished many heroics, but what is he being recognized for? Standing up for the people, killing the corrupt Frollo, or (like before) all of the above?
27th Aug '17 3:19:07 PM Tambry161
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** While this is pure speculation, my best guess is that he is telling the story after the events of the movie, after Quasimodo was released and Frollo died.
21st Aug '17 9:12:43 PM ElizaAnne
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** In the German stage show she dies from carbon monoxide poisoning so presumably yes from smoke inhalation. It could also be from the heat of the flames. She was only on the pyre for about a minute but that could have been long enough to cause her to pass out. She could have also willing submitted to passing out as she believed she was going to die.

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** In the German stage show she dies from carbon monoxide poisoning so presumably yes from smoke inhalation. It could also be from the heat of the flames. She was only on the pyre for about a minute but that could have been long enough to cause her to pass out. She could have also willing willingly submitted to passing out as she believed she was going to die.die.
**^^Yes, carbon monoxide poisoning is extremely dangerous and likely the reason for her passing out. During historical witch burnings people would actually direct smoke away from the fire in order to make the woman being burned stay conscious (and thus in pain) longer, because of how quickly it would make someone faint. They didn't do that here, probably because it would have been way too sadistic for a Disney movie, so all that CO-filled smoke is going directly into her lungs. It could also be a natural reaction to panic- some people faint when getting blood drawn, it's not unrealistic to think that Esmeralda would have a similar reaction to literally being put to death. (Keep in mind she's being told during this that she's an unholy demon and she's going to Hell in a setting where nearly everyone is Christian. That alone would be enough to terrify someone.) Or it could be pain- fire is hot, and was probably burning her feet/legs. The combination of carbon monoxide, primal fear and the heat of the fire could have made her pass out in just a few minutes.
15th Aug '17 10:06:58 PM ElizaAnne
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** Uhm, that's what he was going to do, just in the most dramatic fashion possible, because, well, Disney villain.

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** Uhm, that's what It would be pretty difficult to chop off her head, but yes, he was going absolutely could have slashed at her wrists/arms and forced her to do, just in the most dramatic fashion possible, drop Quasi, then attack her- after all, she'd be defenseless, probably injured, already weak from inhaling that much smoke, and upset and afraid. She'd be an easy target, and Frollo could have done whatever he wanted with her right then and there (but let's not think of it too much, because, well, Disney villain.ew.) My best guess is that he wasn't able to get over the railing or was afraid of losing his balance and falling himself- or he could just be being dramatic.


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*** Nephilim?


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*** Unholy?


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* How did Phoebus manage to catch Quasimodo falling from such a height? Quasi is the same size or bigger than him, which would make him extremely hard to catch at that speed. Also, Phoebus was shot in the shoulder straight through a few days earlier; even if Esmeralda stitched it up somehow, it's still going to be sore, if not still an open wound or infected!
* On that topic, how on Earth did Esmeralda recover that quickly?! She was unconscious for at least ten minutes from smoke inhalation, so she should at least be coughing, hoarse and have an awful headache- and that's in the best-case scenario. She could also have been having seizures, vomiting, or be dizzy and not-all-there. And smoke is hot, especially when you're strapped to a pyre above roaring flames; she could have pretty bad burns, especially on her legs where they touched the burning hay. Either way, poor Esmeralda was probably in a lot of pain; there's no way she could be running around happily and fully alert in less than a minute after being literally half-dead.
22nd Jul '17 8:17:19 AM littlebeeper
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This is pretty common in Disney to have male children look like the father and female children look like the mother. Although this is mostly seen with movies featuring animal protagonists (Lady and the Tramp and Aristocats for example)
** And why is Esmeralda wearing shoes? She was barefoot in the first movie, with the only thing she wore on her legs being a single anklet, but at the end of the film, she loses the anklet after wearing the white dress! And about the white dress, by the end of the first film, it would probably be the only outfit Esme will be wearing since her iconic dress was implied to have been destroyed by Frollo.

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is Esmeralda wearing shoes? She was barefoot in the first movie, with the only thing she wore on her legs being a single anklet, but at the end of the film, she loses the anklet after wearing the white dress! And about the white dress, by the end of the first film, it would probably be the only outfit Esme will be wearing since her iconic dress was implied to have been destroyed by Frollo.
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