History Headscratchers / TheHunchbackOfNotreDame

18th Apr '17 3:24:28 PM DoppleDelta
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** Probably by looking into the interior of La Fidele. It's not very likely that any of the other bells had those same decorations.

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** Probably by looking when he finally had the chance to sneak into Notre Dame, he was able to look inside and realize that the bejeweled interior of only belonged to La Fidele. It's not very likely that any of the other bells had those same decorations.Fidele.
18th Apr '17 10:23:22 AM DoppleDelta
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** Probably by looking into the interior of La Fidele. It's not very likely that any of the other bells had those same decorations.
* So, in the musical, Phoebus says that he spent four years at the front fighting. Question is, what did he come back from? As far as I can tell, he went off to fight in some military campaign, but which one?
11th Apr '17 9:19:44 PM huntdaddy
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** The movie makes it clear from the beginning that the Archdeacon knows that Frollo isn't a reasonable man, but given the fact that he straight up murdered a woman and attempted to do the same with her baby, in front of the cathedral no less, he knew that ''this'' would definitely be [[MoralEventHorizon the point of no return for his soul]], if nothing else. Therefore, he claims the only way that Frollo would have a remote chance of being forgiven for his actions was to raise the child whose mother he had just killed, and he may have figured that having any part in the upbringing would result in Frollo's soul being damned to hell. Regarding the mother's plea for sanctuary, it may be possible that the Archdeacon was either too late to hear her claim, or he only heard her knocking on the door, because he didn't seem to know about this, and if Frollo heard her pleas, he certainly wouldn't let it impede his authority, so he would most likely deny that her claiming sanctuary ever happened.

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** The movie makes it clear from the beginning that the Archdeacon knows that Frollo isn't a reasonable man, but given the fact that he straight up murdered a woman and attempted to do the same with her baby, in front of the cathedral no less, he knew that ''this'' would definitely be [[MoralEventHorizon the point of no return for his soul]], if nothing else. Therefore, he claims the only way that Frollo would have a remote chance of being forgiven for his actions was to raise the child whose mother he had just killed, and he may have figured that having any part in the upbringing would result in Frollo's soul being damned to hell. Regarding the mother's plea for sanctuary, it may be possible that the Archdeacon was either too late to hear her claim, or he only heard her knocking on the door, because he didn't seem to know about this, and if Frollo heard her pleas, he certainly wouldn't let it impede his authority, so he would most likely deny that her claiming sanctuary ever happened. Thus, even if Quasi had gained sanctuary at that time, it would not have mattered since nobody could vouch for him over the matter.
10th Apr '17 2:57:28 PM huntdaddy
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** The movie makes it clear from the beginning that the Archdeacon knows that Frollo isn't a reasonable man, but given the fact that he straight up murdered a woman and attempted to do the same with her baby, in front of the cathedral no less, he knew that ''this'' would definitely be [[MoralEventHorizon the point of no return for his soul]], if nothing else. Therefore, he claims the only way that Frollo would have a remote chance of being forgiven for his actions was to raise the child whose mother he had just killed, and he may have figured that having any part in the upbringing would result in Frollo's soul being damned to hell. Regarding the mother's plea for sanctuary, it may be possible that the Archdeacon was either too late to hear her claim, or he only heard her knocking on the door, because he did not seem to know about this, and if Frollo heard her pleas, he certainly would not let it impede his authority, so he would most likely deny that her claiming sanctuary ever happened.

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** The movie makes it clear from the beginning that the Archdeacon knows that Frollo isn't a reasonable man, but given the fact that he straight up murdered a woman and attempted to do the same with her baby, in front of the cathedral no less, he knew that ''this'' would definitely be [[MoralEventHorizon the point of no return for his soul]], if nothing else. Therefore, he claims the only way that Frollo would have a remote chance of being forgiven for his actions was to raise the child whose mother he had just killed, and he may have figured that having any part in the upbringing would result in Frollo's soul being damned to hell. Regarding the mother's plea for sanctuary, it may be possible that the Archdeacon was either too late to hear her claim, or he only heard her knocking on the door, because he did not didn't seem to know about this, and if Frollo heard her pleas, he certainly would not wouldn't let it impede his authority, so he would most likely deny that her claiming sanctuary ever happened.
10th Apr '17 2:56:16 PM huntdaddy
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** The movie makes it clear from the beginning that the Archdeacon knows that Frollo isn't a reasonable man, but given the fact that he straight up murdered a woman and attempted to do the same with her baby, in front of the cathedral no less, he knew that ''this'' would definitely be [[MoralEventHorizon the point of no return for his soul]], if nothing else. Therefore, he claims the only way that Frollo would have a remote chance of being forgiven for his actions was to raise the child whose mother he had just killed, and he may have figured that having any part of the upbringing would result in Frollo's soul being damned to hell. Regarding the mother's plea for sanctuary, it may be possible that the Archdeacon was either too late to hear her claim, or he only heard her knocking on the door, because he did not seem to know about this, and if Frollo heard her pleas, he certainly would not let it impede his authority, so he would most likely deny that her claiming sanctuary ever happened.

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** The movie makes it clear from the beginning that the Archdeacon knows that Frollo isn't a reasonable man, but given the fact that he straight up murdered a woman and attempted to do the same with her baby, in front of the cathedral no less, he knew that ''this'' would definitely be [[MoralEventHorizon the point of no return for his soul]], if nothing else. Therefore, he claims the only way that Frollo would have a remote chance of being forgiven for his actions was to raise the child whose mother he had just killed, and he may have figured that having any part of in the upbringing would result in Frollo's soul being damned to hell. Regarding the mother's plea for sanctuary, it may be possible that the Archdeacon was either too late to hear her claim, or he only heard her knocking on the door, because he did not seem to know about this, and if Frollo heard her pleas, he certainly would not let it impede his authority, so he would most likely deny that her claiming sanctuary ever happened.
10th Apr '17 2:54:59 PM huntdaddy
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** The movie makes it clear from the beginning that the Archdeacon knows that Frollo isn't a reasonable man, but given the fact that he straight up murdered a woman and attempted to do the same with her baby, in front of the cathedral no less, he knew that '''this''' would definitely be [[MoralEventHorizon the point of no return for his soul]]. Therefore, he claims the only way that Frollo would have a remote chance of being forgiven for his actions was to raise the child whose mother he had just killed, and he may have figured that having any part of the upbringing would result in Frollo's soul being damned to hell. Regarding the mother's plea for sanctuary, it may be possible that the Archdeacon was either too late to hear her claim, or he only heard her knocking on the door, because he did not seem to know about this, and if Frollo heard her pleas, he certainly would not let it impede his authority, so he would most likely deny that her claiming sanctuary ever happened.

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** The movie makes it clear from the beginning that the Archdeacon knows that Frollo isn't a reasonable man, but given the fact that he straight up murdered a woman and attempted to do the same with her baby, in front of the cathedral no less, he knew that '''this''' ''this'' would definitely be [[MoralEventHorizon the point of no return for his soul]].soul]], if nothing else. Therefore, he claims the only way that Frollo would have a remote chance of being forgiven for his actions was to raise the child whose mother he had just killed, and he may have figured that having any part of the upbringing would result in Frollo's soul being damned to hell. Regarding the mother's plea for sanctuary, it may be possible that the Archdeacon was either too late to hear her claim, or he only heard her knocking on the door, because he did not seem to know about this, and if Frollo heard her pleas, he certainly would not let it impede his authority, so he would most likely deny that her claiming sanctuary ever happened.
10th Apr '17 2:53:47 PM huntdaddy
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** The movie makes it clear from the beginning that the Archdeacon knows that Frollo isn't a reasonable man, but given the fact that he straight up murdered a woman and attempted to do the same with her baby, in front of the cathedral no less, he knew that '''this''' would definitely be [[MoralEventHorizon the point of no return for his soul]]. Therefore, he claims the only way that Frollo would have a remote chance of being forgiven for his actions was to raise the child whose mother he had just killed, and he may have figured that having any part of the upbringing would result in Frollo's soul being damned to hell. Regarding the mother's plea for sanctuary, it may be possible that the Archdeacon was either too late to hear her claim, or he only heard her knocking on the door, because he did not seem to know about this, and if Frollo heard her pleas, he certainly would not let it impede his authority, so he would most likely deny that her claiming sanctuary ever happened.
1st Apr '17 6:55:00 PM Kinola
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15th Mar '17 3:35:46 AM Ingonyama
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** As to how Clopin knows of him, the puppet show at the start could possibly be taking place after the events of the movie--while initially he simply is telling the tale of "how Quasimodo came to be there (in the bell tower)", the ending where he poses the riddle implies he is about to tell the rest of the movie's plot as the way to illustrate the riddle so his listeners can solve it. (Just telling them about Frollo being guilted into raising Quasi as his son wouldn't do that, because while it might offer pretty good proof of Frollo's monstrous nature, it doesn't help make Quasi look like a man since he's just a baby in it with no agency.) Thus, he already experience the festival and everything that followed after, so he would know all about who Quasi was, from a combination of Esmeralda's explanations, Quasi talking to him at a later date, and putting this together with rumors about Frollo over the years.

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** As to how Clopin knows of him, the puppet show at the start could possibly be taking place after the events of the movie--while initially he simply is telling the tale of "how Quasimodo came to be there (in the bell tower)", the ending where he poses the riddle implies he is about to tell the rest of the movie's plot as the way to illustrate the riddle so his listeners can solve it. (Just telling them about Frollo being guilted into raising Quasi as his son wouldn't do that, because while it might offer pretty good proof of Frollo's monstrous nature, it doesn't help make Quasi look like a man since he's just a baby in it with no agency.) Thus, he already experience experienced the festival and everything that followed after, so he would know all about who Quasi was, from a combination of Esmeralda's explanations, Quasi talking to him at a later date, and putting this together with rumors about Frollo over the years.
15th Mar '17 3:31:04 AM Ingonyama
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*** Not to mention in Aladdin there is the excuse of the Genie being magical and thus able to time travel to the future. The gargoyles (whether on their own or as extensions of Quasi) have no way to do this, unless the theory is correct that they may be animated by angels who, like the Genie, can travel through time.
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