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*** No, no, your explanation makes sense of an OrphanedPunchline. I'll just assume that's the intended use of "upper arm" in the book, and wave off the radio version as AlternateContinuity.
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*** No, no, actually your explanation makes sense of an OrphanedPunchline. I'll just assume that's the intended use of "upper arm" in the book, and wave off the radio version as AlternateContinuity.
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*** Any respect I had for Trillian was just lost at the reveal of Random's name. She has this kid so that SHE can feel like she can fit in, and when it doesn't work, she drops the kid off in a time zone daycare and just swans off to have her own life anyway. What's worse, the one tie Random has to anything (what with being a member of a species which only has three members) has not only left her behind, but has given her a quite hideously random name. Even if realising that Arthur was the father was a no-brainer, why give the kid his name if you intend for him to be completely absentee? From Random's point of view, it must have seemed straight out of the gate that Trillian felt no attachment to her. Frankly, I find Random's moody behaviour somewhat justified.
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*** Any respect I had for Trillian was just lost at the reveal of Random's name. She has this kid so that SHE '''she''' can feel like she can fit in, and when it doesn't work, she drops the kid off in a time zone daycare and just swans off to have her own life anyway. What's worse, the one tie Random has to anything (what with being a member of a species which only has three members) has not only left her behind, but has given her a quite hideously random name. Even if realising that Arthur was the father was a no-brainer, why give the kid his name if you intend for him to be completely absentee? From Random's point of view, it must have seemed straight out of the gate that Trillian felt no attachment to her. Frankly, I find Random's moody behaviour somewhat justified.
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*** I'm not sure I'd be brave enough to stick my extremely-irreplaceable head inside ''any'' product manufactured by the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation. Just saying.
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** When I was a kid, I figured that "upper arm" meant Zaphod, since he quite literally has one arm above another on his right side, and that the line about not revealing whose upper arm gets bruised was supposed to be a joke because Zaphod is the only one with an upper arm in the first place. Of course, the TV series explicitly says it was Arthur's bicep, so never mind.
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** When I was a kid, I figured that "upper arm" meant Zaphod, since he quite literally has one arm above another on his right side, and that the line about not revealing whose upper arm gets bruised was supposed to be a joke because Zaphod is the only one with an upper arm in the first place. Of course, the TV series explicitly says it was Arthur's bicep, so never mind.
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*** No, no, your explanation makes sense of an OrphanedPunchline. I'll just assume that's the intended use of "upper arm" in the book, and wave off the radio version as AlternateContinuity.
*** No, no, your explanation makes sense of an OrphanedPunchline. I'll just assume that's the intended use of "upper arm" in the book, and wave off the radio version as AlternateContinuity.
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** I got nothing. It's a DownerEnding with a Downer Beginning and a Downer Middle. The only part that feels like "classic" Adams is the incident with the Perfectly Normal Beasts and the Sandwich Maker.
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** It's actually a pretty straightforward use of the GoMadFromTheRevelation trope. It's just that unlike the ones in H.P. Lovecraft, this one is brought on by SufficientlyAdvancedScience applied to a cake.
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** Write a message on He won't be getting to the local moon?
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** Write a message on the local moon?
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* The bad reception the film got and the fact that people will say that it's rubbish compared to the Radio version. The thing is as with Series/DoctorWho and JamesBond there is no "Best version of [=H2G2=]" There is really only Your version, meaning the one that got you into the series. Plus all the complaints about the changes the film made to the story, even though most of them were made by Douglas Adams himself and that No two incarnations of the first part of the series are the same.
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* The bad reception the film got and the fact that people will say that it's rubbish compared to the Radio version. The thing is as with Series/DoctorWho and JamesBond Film/JamesBond there is no "Best version of [=H2G2=]" There is really only Your version, meaning the one that got you into the series. Plus all the complaints about the changes the film made to the story, even though most of them were made by Douglas Adams himself and that No two incarnations of the first part of the series are the same.
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** By the time of ''So Long'' and ''Mostly'', Arthur had aged probably ten years. Ford being an alien probably looked the same since it was established that Zaphod was 200 years old and Ford was his cousin. Ten years is nothing to him. After a certain point, Arthur probably viewed Ford as the best friend who acted like they were still college kids while Arthur grew up and accepted on the responsibilities of adulthood. Arthur also wanted to find love and became less interested in Ford's freewheeling lifestyle that he was probably getting to old for anyway (assuming that many years did pass between the beginning of the first book and the fourth and fifth). It's also important to remember that Arthur is a nice guy and Ford's attitudes towards women and relationships wasn't much different from Zaphod's. In ''So Long'', Fenchurch didn't warm up to Ford and asked Arthur if he could be trusted. Arthur responded in the negative, probably not out of resentment but out of courtesy to Fenchurch who was a nice proper girl for him. I don't think there was any mutual dislike between Arthur and Ford in later years, just that sense of Arthur having outgrown him. For one thing Arthur had the Earth back in ''So Long'' and Ford probably assumed he was living happily ever after with his new girl. Also, Arthur had become a seasoned and experienced independent traveler by the time Ford showed up in ''Mostly''. So Ford's was no longer needed in his old role as Mr. Exposition. It also is worth noting that in ''Mostly'' when meeting Arthur, Ford was a bit more grumpy and not his usual ''let's find a party and be generally weird'' self. He was on a serious mission probably for the first time in his life, probably because his way of life was under threat. Come to think of it, the reunion of Arthur and Trillian in ''Mostly'' wasn't particulary warm either.
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** By the time of ''So Long'' and ''Mostly'', Arthur had aged probably ten years. Ford being an alien probably looked the same since it was established that Zaphod was 200 years old and Ford was his cousin. Ten years is nothing to him. After a certain point, Arthur probably viewed Ford as the best friend who acted like they were still college kids while Arthur grew up and accepted on the responsibilities of adulthood. Arthur also wanted to find love and became less interested in Ford's freewheeling lifestyle that he was probably getting to old for anyway (assuming that many years did pass between the beginning of the first book and the fourth and fifth). It's also important to remember that Arthur is a nice guy and Ford's attitudes towards women and relationships wasn't much different from Zaphod's. In ''So Long'', Fenchurch didn't warm up to Ford and asked Arthur if he could be trusted. Arthur responded in the negative, probably not out of resentment but out of courtesy to Fenchurch who was a nice proper girl for him. I don't think there was any mutual dislike between Arthur and Ford in later years, just that sense of Arthur having outgrown him. For one thing Arthur had the Earth back in ''So Long'' and Ford probably assumed he was living happily ever after with his new girl. Also, Arthur had become a seasoned and experienced independent traveler by the time Ford showed up in ''Mostly''. So Ford's was no longer needed in his old role as Mr. Exposition. It also is worth noting that in ''Mostly'' when meeting Arthur, Ford was a bit more grumpy and not his usual ''let's find a party and be generally weird'' self. He was on a serious mission probably for the first time in his life, probably because his way of life was under threat. Come to think of it, the reunion of Arthur and Trillian in ''Mostly'' wasn't particulary warm either.either
** Interestingly, in the radio sequels (i.e. the Tertiary, Quandary and Quintessential phases), adaptor Dirk Mags and the actors imbue the Ford/Arthur dynamic with more warmth and less vitriol that the books upon which they are based. The chilliness of their relationship in the books (as well as that between Arthur and Trillian, Trillian and Zaphod etc) might have been due to Douglas Adams' ambivalence towards the Hitchhiker's books and his frustration with the limitations of the the universe at the stage he was writing. [[YourMileageMayVery One's mileage may vary]] as to whether the Tertiary - Quintessential phases count as canon (and for that matter whether there even IS such a thing as canon with Hitchhiker's. But this troper appreciates that Dirk Mags was able to evoke a genuine feeling of affection between the characters. No doubt it was in part down to the real-life warmth between the actors as well - mostly returnees from the original series and old friends themselves.
** Interestingly, in the radio sequels (i.e. the Tertiary, Quandary and Quintessential phases), adaptor Dirk Mags and the actors imbue the Ford/Arthur dynamic with more warmth and less vitriol that the books upon which they are based. The chilliness of their relationship in the books (as well as that between Arthur and Trillian, Trillian and Zaphod etc) might have been due to Douglas Adams' ambivalence towards the Hitchhiker's books and his frustration with the limitations of the the universe at the stage he was writing. [[YourMileageMayVery One's mileage may vary]] as to whether the Tertiary - Quintessential phases count as canon (and for that matter whether there even IS such a thing as canon with Hitchhiker's. But this troper appreciates that Dirk Mags was able to evoke a genuine feeling of affection between the characters. No doubt it was in part down to the real-life warmth between the actors as well - mostly returnees from the original series and old friends themselves.
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* I feel I might be missing something here, but in the non-movie versions, why is Zaphod's first impulse on stealing the Heart of Gold to take it to Magrathea? I can kinda see why he'd ''want'' to do that for its own sake, but it has nothing to do with the ruler of the universe. Did his old self put him up to it? If so, he [pre-op!Zaphod] doesn't seem to have thought it through. He should have just gone straight to Zarniwoop's office on Ursa Minor Beta. The best explanation I can imagine is that Magrathea was to play some ''later'' part in the plan, but his commands came through in the wrong order?
* In ''Literature/SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish'', why is God's final message to His creation written in English, and with the word "apologize" misspelled as "apologise" the way British people like to do?
** A. That's not a "misspelling" that's how they spell it. B. Because Adams is English.
** Well, you didn't think God was ''American'', did you?
*** Just because it happens to be a popular misspelling in Britain doesn't make it correct. The word "apologize" has a Greek root, and -ize is a Greek suffix. "Apologize" isn't an Americanism, but the original (and more correct) form. It just so happens that the Americans preserved the correct spelling when the British arbitrarily and capriciously changed it. Now You Know([[TradeSnark TM]])!
*** You don't seem to get it. The British spell lots of -ize words as -ise. It's not a "misspelling," that's just how it's spelled in Britain. Also? It's ''one letter''. You're making it sound like it's some kind of personal attack.
* In ''Literature/SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish'', why is God's final message to His creation written in English, and with the word "apologize" misspelled as "apologise" the way British people like to do?
** A. That's not a "misspelling" that's how they spell it. B. Because Adams is English.
** Well, you didn't think God was ''American'', did you?
*** Just because it happens to be a popular misspelling in Britain doesn't make it correct. The word "apologize" has a Greek root, and -ize is a Greek suffix. "Apologize" isn't an Americanism, but the original (and more correct) form. It just so happens that the Americans preserved the correct spelling when the British arbitrarily and capriciously changed it. Now You Know([[TradeSnark TM]])!
*** You don't seem to get it. The British spell lots of -ize words as -ise. It's not a "misspelling," that's just how it's spelled in Britain. Also? It's ''one letter''. You're making it sound like it's some kind of personal attack.
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* I feel I might be missing something here, but in the non-movie versions, why is Zaphod's first impulse on stealing the Heart of Gold to take it to Magrathea? I can kinda see why he'd ''want'' to do that for its own sake, but it has nothing to do with the ruler of the universe. Did his old self put him up to it? If so, he [pre-op!Zaphod] doesn't seem to have thought it through. He should have just gone straight to Zarniwoop's office on Ursa Minor Beta. The best explanation I can imagine is that Magrathea was to play some ''later'' part in the plan, but his commands came through in the wrong order?
* In ''Literature/SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish'', why is God's final message to His creation written in English, and with the word "apologize" misspelled as "apologise" the way British people like to do?
** A. That's not a "misspelling" that's how they spell it. B. Because Adams is English.
** Well, you didn't think God was ''American'', did you?
*** Just because it happens to be a popular misspelling in Britain doesn't make it correct. The word "apologize" has a Greek root, and -ize is a Greek suffix. "Apologize" isn't an Americanism, but the original (and more correct) form. It just so happens that the Americans preserved the correct spelling when the British arbitrarily and capriciously changed it. Now You Know([[TradeSnark TM]])!
*** You don't seem to get it. The British spell lots of -ize words as -ise. It's not a "misspelling," that's just how it's spelled in Britain. Also? It's ''one letter''. You're making it sound like it's some kind of personal attack.order?
* In ''Literature/SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish'', why is God's final message to His creation written in English, and with the word "apologize" misspelled as "apologise" the way British people like to do?
** A. That's not a "misspelling" that's how they spell it. B. Because Adams is English.
** Well, you didn't think God was ''American'', did you?
*** Just because it happens to be a popular misspelling in Britain doesn't make it correct. The word "apologize" has a Greek root, and -ize is a Greek suffix. "Apologize" isn't an Americanism, but the original (and more correct) form. It just so happens that the Americans preserved the correct spelling when the British arbitrarily and capriciously changed it. Now You Know([[TradeSnark TM]])!
*** You don't seem to get it. The British spell lots of -ize words as -ise. It's not a "misspelling," that's just how it's spelled in Britain. Also? It's ''one letter''. You're making it sound like it's some kind of personal attack.
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*** Just because it happens to be a popular misspelling in Britain doesn't make it correct. The word "apologize" has a Greek root, and -ize is a Greek suffix. "Apologize" isn't an Americanism, but the original (and more correct) form. It just so happens that the Americans preserved the correct spelling when the British arbitrarily and capriciously changed it. Now You Know([[TradeSnark TM]])!
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*** Just because it happens to be a popular misspelling in Britain doesn't make it correct. The word "apologize" has a Greek root, and -ize is a Greek suffix. "Apologize" isn't an Americanism, but the original (and more correct) form. It just so happens that the Americans preserved the correct spelling when the British arbitrarily and capriciously changed it. Now You Know([[TradeSnark TM]])!TM]])!
*** You don't seem to get it. The British spell lots of -ize words as -ise. It's not a "misspelling," that's just how it's spelled in Britain. Also? It's ''one letter''. You're making it sound like it's some kind of personal attack.
*** You don't seem to get it. The British spell lots of -ize words as -ise. It's not a "misspelling," that's just how it's spelled in Britain. Also? It's ''one letter''. You're making it sound like it's some kind of personal attack.
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** Well, you didn't think God was ''American'', did you?you?
*** Just because it happens to be a popular misspelling in Britain doesn't make it correct. The word "apologize" has a Greek root, and -ize is a Greek suffix. "Apologize" isn't an Americanism, but the original (and more correct) form. It just so happens that the Americans preserved the correct spelling when the British arbitrarily and capriciously changed it. Now You Know([[TradeSnark TM]])!
*** Just because it happens to be a popular misspelling in Britain doesn't make it correct. The word "apologize" has a Greek root, and -ize is a Greek suffix. "Apologize" isn't an Americanism, but the original (and more correct) form. It just so happens that the Americans preserved the correct spelling when the British arbitrarily and capriciously changed it. Now You Know([[TradeSnark TM]])!
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** Speaking of adaptation differences, the 80's [=TV=] series Marvin appears in the movie. When they're pushing their way to the front of the line on Vogsphere (to get Trillian released) Arthur does a double-take at a robot standing in line. That was the [=TV=] series Marvin.
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** Get a big megaphone and insult them all at once.
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* So Wowbagger the Infinitely Prolonged wants to insult every single being in the universe, personally, and in alphabetical order. How is he supposed to deal with the fact that on Squornshellous Zeta, every mattress is called Zem and they are indistinguishable from one another?
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*** They have now. http://abcnews.go.com/Health/kansas-sperm-donor-ordered-pay-child-support/story?id=21657212 Read everything you sign very carefully.
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** Well, you didnlt didn't think God was [[American]], ''American'', did you?
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** Well, you didnlt think God was [[American]], did you?
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** Ford's relationship with Arthur never struck me as inconsistant with either personality: Ford is mercurial, capricious and shallow. He rounds on Arthur the second someone he regards as cool - Zaphod - appears. Enjoying Earth and liking its inhabitants is a guilty pleasure for Ford. Arthur exposes Ford's secret uncoolness ot others (particularly Zaphod, of course). Having Arthur tagging along once Ford is back playing with the cool kids is a bit like having invited someone from your secret D&D group to a party of your cool mates on the spur of the moment. Their relationship reminds me a lot of Vince and Howard's in TheMightyBoosh: one party may have delusions of being too cool for the other one but ultimately that's the person they always return to.
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* In ''Literature/SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish'', why is God's final message to His creation written in English, and with the word "apologize" misspelled as "apologise" the way British people like to do?do?
** A. That's not a "misspelling" that's how they spell it. B. Because Adams is English.
** A. That's not a "misspelling" that's how they spell it. B. Because Adams is English.
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* I feel I might be missing something here, but in the non-movie versions, why is Zaphod's first impulse on stealing the Heart of Gold to take it to Magrathea? I can kinda see why he'd ''want'' to do that for its own sake, but it has nothing to do with the ruler of the universe. Did his old self put him up to it? If so, he [pre-op!Zaphod] doesn't seem to have thought it through. He should have just gone straight to Zarniwoop's office on Ursa Minor Beta. The best explanation I can imagine is that Magrathea was to play some ''later'' part in the plan, but his commands came through in the wrong order?
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* I feel I might be missing something here, but in the non-movie versions, why is Zaphod's first impulse on stealing the Heart of Gold to take it to Magrathea? I can kinda see why he'd ''want'' to do that for its own sake, but it has nothing to do with the ruler of the universe. Did his old self put him up to it? If so, he [pre-op!Zaphod] doesn't seem to have thought it through. He should have just gone straight to Zarniwoop's office on Ursa Minor Beta. The best explanation I can imagine is that Magrathea was to play some ''later'' part in the plan, but his commands came through in the wrong order?order?
* In ''Literature/SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish'', why is God's final message to His creation written in English, and with the word "apologize" misspelled as "apologise" the way British people like to do?
* In ''Literature/SoLongAndThanksForAllTheFish'', why is God's final message to His creation written in English, and with the word "apologize" misspelled as "apologise" the way British people like to do?
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** By the time of ''So Long'' and ''Mostly'', Arthur had aged probably ten years. Ford being an alien probably looked the same since it was established that Zaphod was 200 years old and Ford was his cousin. Ten years is nothing to him. After a certain point, Arthur probably viewed Ford as the best friend who acted like they were still college kids while Arthur grew up and accepted on the responsibilities of adulthood. Arthur also wanted to find love and became less interested in Ford's freewheeling lifestyle that he was probably getting to old for anyway (assuming that many years did pass between the beginning of the first book and the fourth and fifth). It's also important to remember that Arthur is a nice guy and Ford's attitudes towards women and relationships wasn't much different from Zaphod's. In ''So Long'', Fenchurch didn't warm up to Ford and asked Arthur if he could be trusted. Arthur responded in the negative, probably not out of resentment but out of courtesy to Fenchurch who was a nice proper girl for him. I don't think there was any mutual dislike between Arthur and Ford in later years, just that sense of Arthur having outgrown him. For one thing Arthur had the Earth back in ''So Long'' and Ford probably assumed he was living happily ever after with his new girl. Also, Arthur had become a seasoned and experienced independent traveler by the time Ford showed up in ''Mostly''. So Ford's was no longer needed in his old role as Mr. Exposition. It also is worth noting that Ford was a bit more grumpy in ''Mostly'' and not his usual ''drink till you drop'' self. He was on a serious mission probably for the first time in his life, probably because his way of life was under threat. Come to think of it, the reunion of Arthur and Trillian in ''Mostly'' wasn't particulary warm either.
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** By the time of ''So Long'' and ''Mostly'', Arthur had aged probably ten years. Ford being an alien probably looked the same since it was established that Zaphod was 200 years old and Ford was his cousin. Ten years is nothing to him. After a certain point, Arthur probably viewed Ford as the best friend who acted like they were still college kids while Arthur grew up and accepted on the responsibilities of adulthood. Arthur also wanted to find love and became less interested in Ford's freewheeling lifestyle that he was probably getting to old for anyway (assuming that many years did pass between the beginning of the first book and the fourth and fifth). It's also important to remember that Arthur is a nice guy and Ford's attitudes towards women and relationships wasn't much different from Zaphod's. In ''So Long'', Fenchurch didn't warm up to Ford and asked Arthur if he could be trusted. Arthur responded in the negative, probably not out of resentment but out of courtesy to Fenchurch who was a nice proper girl for him. I don't think there was any mutual dislike between Arthur and Ford in later years, just that sense of Arthur having outgrown him. For one thing Arthur had the Earth back in ''So Long'' and Ford probably assumed he was living happily ever after with his new girl. Also, Arthur had become a seasoned and experienced independent traveler by the time Ford showed up in ''Mostly''. So Ford's was no longer needed in his old role as Mr. Exposition. It also is worth noting that Ford was a bit more grumpy in ''Mostly'' when meeting Arthur, Ford was a bit more grumpy and not his usual ''drink till you drop'' ''let's find a party and be generally weird'' self. He was on a serious mission probably for the first time in his life, probably because his way of life was under threat. Come to think of it, the reunion of Arthur and Trillian in ''Mostly'' wasn't particulary warm either.
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** By the time of ''So Long'' and ''Mostly'', Arthur had aged probably ten years. Ford being an alien probably looked the same since it was established that Zaphod was 200 years old and Ford was his cousin. Ten years is nothing to him. After a certain point, Arthur probably viewed Ford as the best friend who acted like they were still college kids while Arthur grew up and accepted on the responsibilities of adulthood. Arthur also wanted to find love and became less interested in Ford's freewheeling lifestyle that he was probably getting to old for anyway (assuming that many years did pass between the beginning of the first book and the fourth and fifth). It's also important to remember that Arthur is a nice guy and Ford's attitudes towards women and relationships wasn't much different from Zaphod's. In ''So Long'', Fenchurch didn't warm up to Ford and asked Arthur if he could be trusted. Arthur responded in the negative, probably not out of resentment but out of courtesy to Fenchurch who was a nice proper girl for him. I don't think there was any mutual dislike between Arthur and Ford in later years, just that sense of having outgrown him. After all, Arthur had become a seasoned and experienced independent traveler by the time Ford showed up in ''Mostly''. By then, Ford's role as Mr. Exposition was somewhat unneeded. This might have been why he was more grumpy in ''Mostly'' compared to the previous books. And also, Ford had a serious mission for the first time. Come to think of it, the reunion of Arthur and Trillian in ''Mostly'' wasn't particulary warm either.
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** By the time of ''So Long'' and ''Mostly'', Arthur had aged probably ten years. Ford being an alien probably looked the same since it was established that Zaphod was 200 years old and Ford was his cousin. Ten years is nothing to him. After a certain point, Arthur probably viewed Ford as the best friend who acted like they were still college kids while Arthur grew up and accepted on the responsibilities of adulthood. Arthur also wanted to find love and became less interested in Ford's freewheeling lifestyle that he was probably getting to old for anyway (assuming that many years did pass between the beginning of the first book and the fourth and fifth). It's also important to remember that Arthur is a nice guy and Ford's attitudes towards women and relationships wasn't much different from Zaphod's. In ''So Long'', Fenchurch didn't warm up to Ford and asked Arthur if he could be trusted. Arthur responded in the negative, probably not out of resentment but out of courtesy to Fenchurch who was a nice proper girl for him. I don't think there was any mutual dislike between Arthur and Ford in later years, just that sense of Arthur having outgrown him. After all, For one thing Arthur had the Earth back in ''So Long'' and Ford probably assumed he was living happily ever after with his new girl. Also, Arthur had become a seasoned and experienced independent traveler by the time Ford showed up in ''Mostly''. By then, So Ford's was no longer needed in his old role as Mr. Exposition Exposition. It also is worth noting that Ford was somewhat unneeded. This might have been why he was a bit more grumpy in ''Mostly'' compared to the previous books. And also, Ford had and not his usual ''drink till you drop'' self. He was on a serious mission probably for the first time.time in his life, probably because his way of life was under threat. Come to think of it, the reunion of Arthur and Trillian in ''Mostly'' wasn't particulary warm either.
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** By the time of ''So Long'' and ''Mostly'', Arthur had aged probably ten years. Ford being an alien probably looked the same since it was established that Zaphod was 200 years old and Ford was his cousin. Ten years is nothing to him. At a certain point, Arthur probably viewed Ford as the best friend who still acted like they were still college kids while he grew up and took on the responsibilities of adulthood. Arthur also wanted to find love and became less interested in Ford's freewheeling lifestyle that he was probably getting to old for anyway (assuming that many years did pass between the beginning of the first book and the fourth and fifth). In ''So Long'', Fenchurch didn't warm up to Ford and asked Arthur if he could be trusted. Arthur responded in the negative, probably not out of resentment but out of courtesy to Fenchurch. I don't think there was any mutual dislike in later years. Come to think of it, the reunion of Arthur and Trillian in ''Mostly'' wasn't particulary warm either.
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** By the time of ''So Long'' and ''Mostly'', Arthur had aged probably ten years. Ford being an alien probably looked the same since it was established that Zaphod was 200 years old and Ford was his cousin. Ten years is nothing to him. At After a certain point, Arthur probably viewed Ford as the best friend who still acted like they were still college kids while he Arthur grew up and took accepted on the responsibilities of adulthood. Arthur also wanted to find love and became less interested in Ford's freewheeling lifestyle that he was probably getting to old for anyway (assuming that many years did pass between the beginning of the first book and the fourth and fifth). It's also important to remember that Arthur is a nice guy and Ford's attitudes towards women and relationships wasn't much different from Zaphod's. In ''So Long'', Fenchurch didn't warm up to Ford and asked Arthur if he could be trusted. Arthur responded in the negative, probably not out of resentment but out of courtesy to Fenchurch. Fenchurch who was a nice proper girl for him. I don't think there was any mutual dislike between Arthur and Ford in later years. years, just that sense of having outgrown him. After all, Arthur had become a seasoned and experienced independent traveler by the time Ford showed up in ''Mostly''. By then, Ford's role as Mr. Exposition was somewhat unneeded. This might have been why he was more grumpy in ''Mostly'' compared to the previous books. And also, Ford had a serious mission for the first time. Come to think of it, the reunion of Arthur and Trillian in ''Mostly'' wasn't particulary warm either.
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** By the time of ''So Long'' and ''Mostly'', Arthur had aged probably ten years. Ford being an alien probably looked the same since it was established that Zaphod was 200 years old and Ford was his cousin. Ten years is nothing to him. At a certain point, Arthur probably viewed Ford as the best friend who still acted like they were still college kids while he grew up and took on the responsibilities of adulthood. Arthur also wanted to find love and became less interested in Ford's freewheeling lifestyle that he was probably getting to old for anyway (assuming that many years did pass between the beginning of the first book and the fourth and fifth). In ''So Long'', Fenchurch didn't warm up to Ford and asked Arthur if he could be trusted. Arthur responded in the negative, probably not out of resentment but out of courtesy to Fenchurch. I don't think there was any mutual dislike in later years. Come to think of it, the reunion of Arthur and Trillian in ''Mostly'' wasn't particulary warm either.
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** Zarniwoop says (in relation to Zaphod's method of entry), "You didn't notice? Well ... I'll leave that for you to figure out yourself." It seems just as easy to say, "Through the window, dumb-dumb," but since he didn't say that, we can probably assume the entrance was not, in fact, in Zarniwoop's office. There are several points where Zaphod should not, technically speaking, have survived: the encounter with the wildly shapeshifting/evolving Haganemnon, the Frogstar fighters, etc. In the books, this is made even more explicit: when Zaphod arrives on Ursula Minor Beta, he is miffed that his Peril-Sensitive sunglasses have been scratched by a strange yellow object in his pocket - which turns out to be the Heart of Gold. That means he must have been put in the artificial universe earlier than we initially suspect - perhaps when the improbability drive was first turned on without the proofing screens.
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** Famous to the Mice perhaps. This quest for the ultimate question and answer appears to be [[SingleIssueWonk their obsession]], no evidence that the rest of the galaxy ever gave a damn about it in the slightest. The only other people who know about it appear to be the Magratheans, and they have closed up shop and switched all calls to voicemail. Plus, how many people can tell (without googling) where the foremost centre for philosophical discussion is in the world right now, or state why it is important, or even identify the type of computer which is the most powerful on the planet is right now never mind give its location. These things are not important to everyday life, we only know they are important in the HHGTTG-verse because we are told they are by the author, to the peoples of that verse, they aren't as important as facts of every day life such as knowing where the next Disaster Area concert is or how to avoid the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast [[note]]it is on Traal, don't go to Traal[[/note]].
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* Throughout the series, Earth is frequently referred to as "absolutely insignificant" and a "backwater" place that nobody has ever heard of, or if they have, it's hardly in a positive way - hell, it's even the Trope Namer for [[Insignificant Little Blue Planet]]. Yet at the same time it's also the most powerful computer in the Universe, built by Deep Thought to uncover the Ultimate Question. This Troper finds these two concepts very difficult to match up: surely everyone would know about the Earth and be interested in its quest to find the Question?
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* Throughout the series, Earth is frequently referred to as "absolutely insignificant" and a "backwater" place that nobody has ever heard of, or if they have, it's hardly in a positive way - hell, it's even the Trope Namer for [[Insignificant Little Blue Planet]].InsignificantLittleBluePlanet. Yet at the same time it's also the most powerful computer in the Universe, built by Deep Thought to uncover the Ultimate Question. This Troper finds these two concepts very difficult to match up: surely everyone would know about the Earth and be interested in its quest to find the Question?
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* Throughout the series, Earth is frequently referred to as "absolutely insignificant" and a "backwater" place that nobody has ever heard of, or if they have, it's hardly in a positive way - hell, it's even the Trope Namer for [[Insignificant Little Blue Planet]]. Yet at the same time it's also the most powerful computer in the Universe, built by Deep Thought to uncover the Ultimate Question. This Troper finds these two concepts very difficult to match up: surely everyone would know about the Earth and be interested in its quest to find the Question?
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** There's actually several instances across books of Arthur reading alien text just fine--"Do not press this button again", the novels on the depressing planet in ''Literature/MostlyHarmless'', etc--my personal theory is that for whatever reason the Babel fish just can't do cursive.
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** There's actually several instances across books of Arthur reading alien text just fine--"Do not press this button again", the novels on the depressing planet in ''Literature/MostlyHarmless'', etc--my personal theory is that for whatever reason the Babel fish just can't do cursive.cursive.
*** How many intelligible signatures have you come across? This Troper lives on Earth and still can't read any signatures.
*** How many intelligible signatures have you come across? This Troper lives on Earth and still can't read any signatures.
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* I feel I might be missing something here, but in the non-movie versions, why is Zaphod's first impulse on stealing the Heart of Gold to take it to Magrathea? I can kinda see why he'd *want* to do that for its own sake, but it has nothing to do with the ruler of the universe. Did his old self put him up to it? If so, he [pre-op!Zaphod] doesn't seem to have thought it through. He should have just gone straight to Zarniwoop's office on Ursa Minor Beta. The best explanation I can imagine is that Magrathea was to play some *later* part in the plan, but his commands came through in the wrong order?
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* I feel I might be missing something here, but in the non-movie versions, why is Zaphod's first impulse on stealing the Heart of Gold to take it to Magrathea? I can kinda see why he'd *want* ''want'' to do that for its own sake, but it has nothing to do with the ruler of the universe. Did his old self put him up to it? If so, he [pre-op!Zaphod] doesn't seem to have thought it through. He should have just gone straight to Zarniwoop's office on Ursa Minor Beta. The best explanation I can imagine is that Magrathea was to play some *later* ''later'' part in the plan, but his commands came through in the wrong order?
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** Trillian was being comically sexist (that is, comically in the sense of the movie, not the character, and don't tell me it wasn't funny because I'd agree with you). She was saying that only TheUnfairSex ''needs'' to be hit by the gun to see someone else's point of view. It's like Bruce banner in ''Film/TheAvengers'': "That's my secret, Cap; I'm ''always angry''."
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** Trillian was being comically sexist (that is, comically in the sense of the movie, not the character, and don't tell me it wasn't funny because I'd agree with you). She was saying that only TheUnfairSex ''needs'' to be hit by the gun to see someone else's point of view. It's like Bruce banner in ''Film/TheAvengers'': "That's my secret, Cap; I'm ''always angry''.""
* I feel I might be missing something here, but in the non-movie versions, why is Zaphod's first impulse on stealing the Heart of Gold to take it to Magrathea? I can kinda see why he'd *want* to do that for its own sake, but it has nothing to do with the ruler of the universe. Did his old self put him up to it? If so, he [pre-op!Zaphod] doesn't seem to have thought it through. He should have just gone straight to Zarniwoop's office on Ursa Minor Beta. The best explanation I can imagine is that Magrathea was to play some *later* part in the plan, but his commands came through in the wrong order?
* I feel I might be missing something here, but in the non-movie versions, why is Zaphod's first impulse on stealing the Heart of Gold to take it to Magrathea? I can kinda see why he'd *want* to do that for its own sake, but it has nothing to do with the ruler of the universe. Did his old self put him up to it? If so, he [pre-op!Zaphod] doesn't seem to have thought it through. He should have just gone straight to Zarniwoop's office on Ursa Minor Beta. The best explanation I can imagine is that Magrathea was to play some *later* part in the plan, but his commands came through in the wrong order?
