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** He's an advanced [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons vrock]] with some sort of template applied to give him two extra arms.
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*** Do they even have Mormons in England?
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*** Caspian had to reconquer the Lone Islands to free Lucy, Edmund, and Reep. He used his knowledge that they were once in the realm of Narnia and they had failed to pay their taxes for the last 150 years to do this. Basically, he was bluffing and this was ultimately an IndyPloy
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** His first issue was treating Lucy terribly after she went to Narnia for the first time and then teasing her when they couldn't prove it. His second issue was to lie and say he hadn't gone to Narnia just because that would admit she had been right, instead pretending they had been playing it was real. Even Peter called him out for this as, if he had been doing that, it was cruel for him to treat her like that. Edmund was villified well before his meeting with the White Witch. In fact, that was one of the few things he wasn't villified for.
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* It has already been stated that while in England, their memories of Narnia become more of a dream, likely only remembering the good things or at least their battle memories simplified. While in Narnia, the longer they stayed, the more they gained their abilities, if not their memories as well. By the time of the attack on the castle in the movie, Peter would have had the memories of his decades of rule and battles in his first stint in Narnia.
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** Even with Rillian, he was lucid for about an hour every day, which is why he was strapped to the Silver Chair when the heroes reached him. Somehow, the chair helped to keep him subdued after that hour was up. After he escaped and destroyed the chair, he was freed from the enchantment.
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** Sophie Wilcox, the actress who played Lucy in the BBC was about 12 years old when she was making LWW. Georgie Henley, Lucy from Walden's movie, turned nine while filming. Georgie Henley was actually closer to her book character's age.
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* I do remember reading and hearing quite frequently that all Lewis claimed to have been doing was "writing books [he] would have liked to have read". It's entirely possible this was just talk, but the whole "Chronicles of Narnia = Christian propoganda" slant does strike this humble troper as a somewhat simple and childish theory that hints at conspiracy.

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* I do remember reading and hearing quite frequently that all Lewis claimed to have been doing was "writing books [he] would have liked to have read". It's entirely possible this was just talk, but the whole "Chronicles of Narnia = Christian propoganda" propaganda" slant does strike this humble troper as a somewhat simple and childish theory that hints at conspiracy.



** As I understand it, his lesser known, more adult focused Silent Planet series is a lot more blatant about having Christian elements with the Devil being the antagonist, but it's still very earnest scifi.

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** As I understand it, his lesser known, more adult focused adult-focused Silent Planet series is a lot more blatant about having Christian elements with the Devil being the antagonist, but it's still very earnest scifi.
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*** In The Last Battle, it's made clear that when Aslan told the older children that they'd never go back to Narnia, "he meant the Narnia you were thinking of", as opposed to the "true Narnia" through the stable door. This shows that Aslan is willing to say things that, if treated with excessive pedantry, turn out to be false, but which still communicate the (true) thing he wants to say. This may be one of those situations. I don't have my copy of the book available to check, but if I recall correctly Lucy first asks Aslan to tell her "what would have happened [...if she hadn't done the thing she shouldn't have]"; Aslan then tells her that no one is ever told "what would have happened", leaving the second bit of the sentence unsaid just as Lucy had.
** The difference this troper sees is thus: In the case of Diggory, the effects of eating the stolen apple were certain. If someone stole one for ill gain, only bad would come of it, even if there were good intentions behind it. It was a certainty. In the other cases, things were more uncertain. For example, Lucy asks Aslan "If I had gone to you earlier, would all of this trouble been avoided?". In that case, there were many other factors, many other wills at work, and it probably would have been too difficult to say whether or not doing different actions would have helped or caused things to somehow turn worse. There's the factor of human will involved.

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*** In The ''The Last Battle, Battle'', it's made clear that when Aslan told the older children that they'd never go back to Narnia, "he meant the Narnia you were thinking of", as opposed to the "true Narnia" through the stable door. This shows that Aslan is willing to say things that, if treated with excessive pedantry, turn out to be false, but which still communicate the (true) thing he wants to say. This may be one of those situations. I don't have my copy of the book available to check, but if I recall correctly Lucy first asks Aslan to tell her "what would have happened [...if she hadn't done the thing she shouldn't have]"; Aslan then tells her that no one is ever told "what would have happened", leaving the second bit of the sentence unsaid just as Lucy had.
** The difference this troper sees is thus: In the case of Diggory, Digory, the effects of eating the stolen apple were certain. If someone stole one for ill gain, only bad would come of it, even if there were good intentions behind it. It was a certainty. In the other cases, things were more uncertain. For example, Lucy asks Aslan "If I had gone to you earlier, would all of this trouble have been avoided?". avoided?" In that case, there were many other factors, many other wills at work, and it probably would have been be too difficult to say whether or not doing different actions would have helped or caused things to somehow turn worse. There's the factor of human will involved.

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In the book, she considers that. Edmund notices she takes a stance like she's about to kill or attack him (probably turn him to stone) and then "seems to change her mind." Deciding to sacrifice that opportunity for the chance to get him to bring her the other 3 didn't work out in her favor, but it must have seemed smart at the time. 4 dead humans are a better insurance policy than 1, and the terms of the prophecy didn't specify the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve had to be siblings, so killing one wouldn't render the "set," so to speak, harmless.

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In * Jadis likely doesn't believe in the prophecy. If she did, she'd flee the moment the signs of its fullfillment started. What she believes is that, in attempting to fullfill it, the humans and the followers they inspire may kill her and take her throne. Jadis' goal isn't to stop the prophecy per se; it's to survive and continue to rule. If she stops the propecy, but the other humans kill her out of vengeance, she's just as dead. So what if they ended up with three rulers instead of four atop her rotting corpse? The purely academic victory of stopping the prophecy but dying because she made a martyr of Edmund doesn't interest her at all.
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the book, she considers that. Edmund notices she takes a stance like she's about to kill or attack him (probably turn him to stone) and then "seems to change her mind." Deciding to sacrifice that opportunity for the chance to get him to bring her the other 3 didn't work out in her favor, but it must have seemed smart at the time. 4 dead humans are a better insurance policy than 1, and the terms of the prophecy didn't specify the sons and daughters of Adam and Eve had to be siblings, so killing one wouldn't render the "set," so to speak, harmless.
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*** Yes but Susan didn't ''choose'' that train crash, or ''choose'' to be the sole survivor of it, and forced to get on with her life, alone. Likewise Aslan/God punishing humans for using free will exactly as he's expecting them to, is not only illogical, immoral, but it's a cruel SadisticChoice that ''masquerades as free will''. Aslan is telling you to always do ''what he wants'' otherwise you lose your place in his paradise forever. Unless...the Christian perspective was really that [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill free will was a terrible idea after all?]]
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** This is what happens when a deity plays the "salvation game" against his own creation. A lot of souls go astray, like Susan, and [[WasItReallyWorthIt are lost forever]]. Seems like Lewis was [[EsotericHappyEnding self aware enough to realize]] there are never any true winners in that sort of game, and wrestled with it in his other books.
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*** The Winter Solstice is the return/rebirth of the Sun. Christmas was placed as it was BECAUSE of the various pagan Solstice holidays; think of it as the Christian Winter Solstice. It's a stealth metaphor. By stopping Christmas from coming, Jadis is keeping the Sun ([[IncrediblyLamePun "Son"]] aka Aslan) from coming back.

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*** The Winter Solstice is the return/rebirth of the Sun. Christmas was placed as it was BECAUSE of the various pagan Solstice holidays; think of it as the Christian Winter Solstice. It's a stealth metaphor. By stopping Christmas from coming, Jadis is keeping the Sun ([[IncrediblyLamePun ([[{{Pun}} "Son"]] aka Aslan) from coming back.
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**As I understand it, his lesser known, more adult focused Silent Planet series is a lot more blatant about having Christian elements with the Devil being the antagonist, but it's still very earnest scifi.
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* At the end of ''Prince Caspian'' she is told by Aslan that she's never returning to Narnia (unlike Lucy and Edmund who return to that world in ''The Voyage of the Dawn Treader''); also she's fallen in love with Caspian so even if she did go back he'd be long dead so the best, least painful thing to do is to forget she ever went there. She was always the most doubtful of the four siblings anyway, so it was probably easy for her. This reminds me of how [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles Elastigirl]] went from an ActionGirl to housewife in few years once all the heroes were banned: since she couldn't be a heroine she redirected her energy towards a normal life (well, as normal as having a superpowered family can be).

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* At the end of ''Prince Caspian'' she is told by Aslan that she's never returning to Narnia (unlike Lucy and Edmund who return to that world in ''The Voyage of the Dawn Treader''); also she's fallen in love with Caspian so even if she did go back he'd be long dead so the best, least painful thing to do is to forget she ever went there. She was always the most doubtful of the four siblings anyway, so it was probably easy for her. This reminds me of how [[WesternAnimation/TheIncredibles [[Franchise/TheIncredibles Elastigirl]] went from an ActionGirl to housewife in few years once all the heroes were banned: since she couldn't be a heroine she redirected her energy towards a normal life (well, as normal as having a superpowered family can be).
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** From the Narnian heaven, the Kings and Queens were able to see the Pevensie parents waving to them from another peninsula that was supposedly "Europe heaven", and it is stated that they are all part of the same landmass and you can get from one to another. So even if Susan winds up going to England heaven like her parents to start with, there will be absolutely nothing stopping her from making her own way, unable to tire, freeze, or starve, into the Narnia heaven and staying there as long as she likes.
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* Also, "''This is ''not'' what happens in real life.''" Actually, in many cases, it ''is'', or at least something close (at least, making allowances for the obvious fantasy elements being discussed). While not uncommon, [[RealityIsUnrealistic PTSD is a lot rarer than you would believe if you took your knowledge of psychology solely from contemporary fiction.]] With no disrespect intended to General Dallaire, not everyone who finds themselves in difficult and potentially traumatic situations is doomed to experience psychological trauma; people can be quite psychologically resilient through even the worst situations.
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Pyrrhic Villainy has been merged into Pyrrhic Victory per TRS decision


* I may have forgotten something from the text but I always sort of assumed that she went into her weird magical catatonia with those other people pretty soon after her genocide. I mean, why would she have stuck around long? [[PyrrhicVillainy Everyone was dead. There was no one left to rule over.]] [[VictoryIsBoring I don't think there would be very much else she'd be interested in there anymore either, which is why she went into her little enchanted slumber, waiting for someone living to come around.]] She wouldn't likely have been around the dead bodies long enough to be exposed to their cooties for a dangerous amount of time. As for earth's own infections, she's half-djinn and half-giantess, so I don't know if she's vulnerable to the same diseases as us anyway (not that she was here for very long, so it wouldn't matter much), but if she is then for that very reason, that same similar biology, she would stand the same chances of infection as any of us. Maybe she wouldn't have built up any immunity, but most of us haven't built up as much to the common diseases as the OP poster seems to think either, and had she got anything, by the time it would have really set in she would have already eaten that apple.

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* I may have forgotten something from the text but I always sort of assumed that she went into her weird magical catatonia with those other people pretty soon after her genocide. I mean, why would she have stuck around long? [[PyrrhicVillainy [[PyrrhicVictory Everyone was dead. There was no one left to rule over.]] [[VictoryIsBoring I don't think there would be very much else she'd be interested in there anymore either, which is why she went into her little enchanted slumber, waiting for someone living to come around.]] She wouldn't likely have been around the dead bodies long enough to be exposed to their cooties for a dangerous amount of time. As for earth's own infections, she's half-djinn and half-giantess, so I don't know if she's vulnerable to the same diseases as us anyway (not that she was here for very long, so it wouldn't matter much), but if she is then for that very reason, that same similar biology, she would stand the same chances of infection as any of us. Maybe she wouldn't have built up any immunity, but most of us haven't built up as much to the common diseases as the OP poster seems to think either, and had she got anything, by the time it would have really set in she would have already eaten that apple.

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