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23rd Apr '18 8:26:24 AM galanx
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If Aslan was going to simply remake everything anew and good, the New England, the New Narnia and the New Charn, ''then what was the point of the old creation?'' Did the lives or choices of the characters make any real difference in the end? Did Aslan simply want to be a part of Team Good Guys? Or just have the children there to act as observers?

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If Aslan was going to simply remake everything anew and good, the New England, the New Narnia and the New Charn, ''then what was the point of the old creation?'' Did the lives or choices of the characters make any real difference in the end? Did Aslan simply want to be a part of Team Good Guys? Or just have the children there to act as observers?observers

[[WMG: Money ]]
In VDT Lucy is able to identify the body on Deathwater Island as one of the seven exiled Lords because he was carrying "a few coins; not Calormen crescents but genuine Narnian "Lions" and "Trees" such as you might see any day in the market place of Beaversdam or Beruna." Except they were coins of Narnia back when the Pevensies ruled it, 1300 years before. Got any Anglo-Saxon coins in your pocket? They wouldn't be Telmarine because the Telmarines hated trees, and lions had become extinct. It's stated also that the main coin of the Lone Islands was the Calormen crescent- so where do the old Narnian coins come from?
23rd Apr '18 7:33:44 AM galanx
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* The Calormenes including the Tisroc have full-grown adults; so do the Archenlanders, when the Pevensies are young adults-Lucy is only 20- so obviously at least Calormen and Archenland were not affected.
24th Mar '18 4:11:21 PM nombretomado
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* It's generally accepted by the fans that Lewis' treatment of Susan at the end of the series doesn't mean she'll never get to Real Narnia/Aslan's Country. She's not dead, so she may still get there, eventually; that much is accepted. So [[JustBugsMe what really bugs people]] is not that she doesn't go to Heaven, it's that she didn't go to Heaven ''at the same time the rest of them did.'' She wasn't in the train crash because she ''chose'' to stay away, that can't be denied. Aslan did not actively keep her out, so in that sense she was not being ''punished'', exactly, for liking make-up and boys and "forgetting" about Narnia. But Lewis clearly intended her to be an example. It makes sense he would include something like that, given that the series is basically AnAesop for Christianity, but the fact that he chose an established character that readers had grown attached to for this end makes it seem like too easy a dismissal and it comes across as rather callous, regardless of the fact that her "ending" is actually fairly open.

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* It's generally accepted by the fans that Lewis' treatment of Susan at the end of the series doesn't mean she'll never get to Real Narnia/Aslan's Country. She's not dead, so she may still get there, eventually; that much is accepted. So [[JustBugsMe [[Headscratchers/HomePage what really bugs people]] is not that she doesn't go to Heaven, it's that she didn't go to Heaven ''at the same time the rest of them did.'' She wasn't in the train crash because she ''chose'' to stay away, that can't be denied. Aslan did not actively keep her out, so in that sense she was not being ''punished'', exactly, for liking make-up and boys and "forgetting" about Narnia. But Lewis clearly intended her to be an example. It makes sense he would include something like that, given that the series is basically AnAesop for Christianity, but the fact that he chose an established character that readers had grown attached to for this end makes it seem like too easy a dismissal and it comes across as rather callous, regardless of the fact that her "ending" is actually fairly open.



This only JustBugsMe in relation to ''Literature/BridgeToTerabithia'', but it's really annoying that Walden Media chose to keep Narnia in-period but not Bridge since, 1)the war is really only used as an excuse to get the kids up to the Professor's house while TheSeventies and the whole post-Vietnam mindset looms large in the background of BTT, and 2) They were re-creating America in New Zealand, it wouldn't have been ''that'' much harder to throw in a period setting.

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This only JustBugsMe Only in relation to ''Literature/BridgeToTerabithia'', but it's really annoying that Walden Media chose to keep Narnia in-period but not Bridge since, 1)the war is really only used as an excuse to get the kids up to the Professor's house while TheSeventies and the whole post-Vietnam mindset looms large in the background of BTT, and 2) They were re-creating America in New Zealand, it wouldn't have been ''that'' much harder to throw in a period setting.



Even when I was a kid, it bothered me that the Pevensies seemed to have no problem with ditching their parents forever. AngstWhatAngst is a trope for a reason, but still, none of them spares a single thought about what their disappearance might do to their parents, nor do any of the kids seem to miss them. It struck me as more than a bit heartless, though I know it wasn't intended to. Also related to my other JustBugsMe--the fact that they seem to have zero problem when they accidentally return to Earth after having grown up and been kings and queens. They miss Narnia, of course, but suddenly finding themselves ordinary children again seemingly has no effect on them.

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Even when I was a kid, it bothered me that the Pevensies seemed to have no problem with ditching their parents forever. AngstWhatAngst is a trope for a reason, but still, none of them spares a single thought about what their disappearance might do to their parents, nor do any of the kids seem to miss them. It struck me as more than a bit heartless, though I know it wasn't intended to. Also related to my other JustBugsMe--the Headscratcher - the fact that they seem to have zero problem when they accidentally return to Earth after having grown up and been kings and queens. They miss Narnia, of course, but suddenly finding themselves ordinary children again seemingly has no effect on them.
3rd Feb '18 8:47:35 AM dieseldragons
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** In TVOTDT, the characters state that 1 year has passed on Earth and 3 years in Narnia since PC. Remember, there is no "X years on Earth = X years in Narnia" rule. The rule is: no matter how much time you spend in Narnia, you always return to Earth at the exact moment you left; and on Earth, you never know how much time has passed in Narnia. In one Earth year, any time between 0 seconds and 1 quadrillion years could have passed in Narnia.

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** In TVOTDT, the characters state that 1 year has passed on Earth and 3 years in Narnia since PC. Remember, there is no "X years on Earth = X years in Narnia" rule. The rule is: no matter how much time you spend in Narnia, you always return to Earth at the exact moment you left; and on Earth, you never know how much time has passed in Narnia. In one Earth year, any time between 0 seconds and 1 quadrillion years could have passed in Narnia.Narnia.

[[WMG: The point of the Last Battle]]
If Aslan was going to simply remake everything anew and good, the New England, the New Narnia and the New Charn, ''then what was the point of the old creation?'' Did the lives or choices of the characters make any real difference in the end? Did Aslan simply want to be a part of Team Good Guys? Or just have the children there to act as observers?
24th Jan '18 2:15:18 PM Zendervai
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** The book never actually describes a physical island at any point. It's the dome of darkness and then when the dome disappears, there's nothing there but water. There might never have been a permanent island at all.
20th Jan '18 6:21:56 PM pi4t
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*** Unlikely: her magic didn't work in London, and she had to get herself some Narnian magic (the apple) and start using tools (a wand, a bottle, etc) before she could do any magic in Narnia either. It seems like each world's magic only works in its own world (other than magic like the rings which is specifically for travelling between worlds).




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* It seemed to have been destroyed by Aslan when the characters were freed from it.
20th Jan '18 6:03:52 PM pi4t
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** He actually does accept such a privilege in the story: in the extract from his diary, during the time when water was being rationed, he mentions that Lucy gave him some of her ration and that he accepted on the basis that girls don't need to drink as much!


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** Also note that he claimed to be a pacifist to avoid the consequences of grabbing Reepicheep and swinging him around by his tail. Even if he really was still convinced (as he claimed) that Reepicheep was just a trained rodent, torturing animals is hardly in keeping with the ideas of pacifism.


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**** Technically not the High King - that would be Peter.
20th Jan '18 4:00:58 PM pi4t
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*** In The Last Battle, it's made clear that when Aslan told the older children that they'd never go back to Narnia, "he meant the Narnia you were thinking of", as opposed to the "true Narnia" through the stable door. This shows that Aslan is willing to say things that, if treated with excessive pedantry, turn out to be false, but which still communicate the (true) thing he wants to say. This may be one of those situations. I don't have my copy of the book available to check, but if I recall correctly Lucy first asks Aslan to tell her "what would have happened [...if she hadn't done the thing she shouldn't have]"; Aslan then tells her that no one is ever told "what would have happened", leaving the second bit of the sentence unsaid just as Lucy had.
8th Jan '18 8:21:08 PM glotof
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***Coriakin is a fallen star whose suzerainty over the Duffers is a punishment for whatever unknown sins a star can commit. He's not a role model by any standard, and he even says that he was wrong to transform them.
24th Oct '17 7:19:26 AM tafelshrew
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**** ... They're mutilated. Coriakin fuses their legs together because they're bad slaves. It's not really comparable to Jadis' victims - it's worse.
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