History Headscratchers / TheChroniclesOfNarnia

24th Sep '16 4:50:12 PM nombretomado
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* Everybody always focuses on the "lipstick and invitations" bit, but I don't think that's really where the problem lies. I think the most telling reason for why Susan got left out is more of a maturity issue, as shown by when she says "What wonderful memories you have! '''Fancy you still thinking about all those funny games we used to play when we were children'''." The issue isn't that she's being more social, it's that she's basically attempting to deny everything that she experienced because it makes her feel childish, and she ''wants'' to feel mature. CSLewis had some strong opinions on people who felt that "being grown up" was an end in itself, and disparaged childish things for that reason. Maybe this quote will shed some light on where he might have been coming from:

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* Everybody always focuses on the "lipstick and invitations" bit, but I don't think that's really where the problem lies. I think the most telling reason for why Susan got left out is more of a maturity issue, as shown by when she says "What wonderful memories you have! '''Fancy you still thinking about all those funny games we used to play when we were children'''." The issue isn't that she's being more social, it's that she's basically attempting to deny everything that she experienced because it makes her feel childish, and she ''wants'' to feel mature. CSLewis Creator/CSLewis had some strong opinions on people who felt that "being grown up" was an end in itself, and disparaged childish things for that reason. Maybe this quote will shed some light on where he might have been coming from:
19th Sep '16 5:09:56 AM damnedifiaint
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*** Probably Archenland. One of the other books mentioned Calormenes spread oil on their bread. And Calormen is a desert, while Archenland is forested.
2nd Aug '16 7:45:02 AM tafelshrew
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* The difference is that Aravis expressly ''needed'' the lesson, while neither Dr. Cornelius nor Caspian did. Aravis, when asked, states outright that she knows the slave she drugged was most likely beaten for falling asleep and allowing Aravis to get away, and demonstrates no concern or compassion for the fact that it was ''her'' actions that brought the girl's punishment about. It's not just that the slave was hurt because of Aravis' actions, it's that Aravis knew it would happen and didn't consider it a problem. While I don't recall the issue being addressed in ''Prince Caspian'', neither Caspian nor Dr. Cornelius is shown having the kind of dismissive disregard for the misfortunes of those in lower stations that Aravis has, so they don't need the object lesson the way Aravis does.

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* The difference is that Aravis expressly ''needed'' the lesson, while neither Dr. Cornelius nor Caspian did. Aravis, when asked, states outright that she knows the slave she drugged was most likely beaten for falling asleep and allowing Aravis to get away, and demonstrates no concern or compassion for the fact that it was ''her'' actions that brought the girl's punishment about. It's not just that the slave was hurt because of Aravis' actions, it's that Aravis knew it would happen and didn't consider it a problem. While I don't recall the issue being addressed in ''Prince Caspian'', neither Caspian nor Dr. Cornelius is shown having the kind of dismissive disregard for the misfortunes of those in lower stations that Aravis has, so they don't need the object lesson the way Aravis does.does.
** So Aravis knew her actions had bad consequences but didn't care, while Caspian and Dr Cornelius didn't even think about the little people in the first place?
25th Jul '16 2:28:31 PM StFan
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* The above statement is correct -- Aslan saves Edmund getting Jadis to "renounce her claim on your brother's blood." Plus, remember that NarniaTime ''doesn't'' work as "X years on Earth=Y years in Narnia." In ''PrinceCaspian'', 1 year on Earth=1000 years in Narnia; in ''Literature/TheSilverChair'', 1 year on Earth=70 years in Narnia.
** In [[Literature/TheVoyageoftheDawnTreader Dawn Treader]], the difference is even smaller: one Earth year was equal to two Narnian years. And all of this presupposes that, even if there were no magical time-dilation and contraction effects, a Narnian year consists of 365 24-hour days. That could well be a false assumption, rendering any attempt at calculations and formulas (even more) useless.

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* The above statement is correct -- Aslan saves Edmund getting Jadis to "renounce her claim on your brother's blood." Plus, remember that NarniaTime ''doesn't'' work as "X years on Earth=Y years in Narnia." In ''PrinceCaspian'', '''Literature/PrinceCaspian'', 1 year on Earth=1000 years in Narnia; in ''Literature/TheSilverChair'', 1 year on Earth=70 years in Narnia.
** In [[Literature/TheVoyageoftheDawnTreader ''[[Literature/TheVoyageoftheDawnTreader Dawn Treader]], Treader]]'', the difference is even smaller: one Earth year was equal to two Narnian years. And all of this presupposes that, even if there were no magical time-dilation and contraction effects, a Narnian year consists of 365 24-hour days. That could well be a false assumption, rendering any attempt at calculations and formulas (even more) useless.
17th Jul '16 7:19:07 PM Discar
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* The theory that the L. of the G. K. was "of the same sort" was expounded by a Narnian courtier who only knew that the White Witch 'originally' came out of the North, too (remember, ''Magician's Nephew'' hadn't been written and Lewis may have come up with her real origin between books.) I don't conflate the two witches myself, but I can see how folks would latch onto this line to give some context to a well-written but essentially OutsideContextVillain. Once Lewis established Jadis as the "serpent" in this world's mythos, folks would naturally seek patterns - daughter, apprentice, reincarnation - to link her to the L. of the G. K.

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* The theory that the L. of the G. K. was "of the same sort" was expounded by a Narnian courtier who only knew that the White Witch 'originally' came out of the North, too (remember, ''Magician's Nephew'' hadn't been written and Lewis may have come up with her real origin between books.) I don't conflate the two witches myself, but I can see how folks would latch onto this line to give some context to a well-written but essentially OutsideContextVillain.OutsideContextProblem. Once Lewis established Jadis as the "serpent" in this world's mythos, folks would naturally seek patterns - daughter, apprentice, reincarnation - to link her to the L. of the G. K.
22nd Mar '16 4:37:54 AM radams
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* Why couldn't a child of Lilith get from Earth to Charn? We're told in Prince Caspian that "There were many chinks or chasms between worlds in old times, but they have grown rarer."
14th Mar '16 8:43:44 AM akanesarumara
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** It can be seen the other way around too: she was rejected from Heaven, therefore she wasn't allowed to die and was condemned to live out the rest of her life without Narnia or her siblings.


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2nd Dec '15 8:13:13 AM Adept
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* The above statement is correct -- Aslan saves Edmund getting Jadis to "renounce her claim on your brother's blood." Plus, remember that NarniaTime ''doesn't'' work as "X years on Earth=Y years in Narnia." In ''PrinceCaspian'', 1 year on Earth=1000 years in Narnia; in ''TheSilverChair'', 1 year on Earth=70 years in Narnia.

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* The above statement is correct -- Aslan saves Edmund getting Jadis to "renounce her claim on your brother's blood." Plus, remember that NarniaTime ''doesn't'' work as "X years on Earth=Y years in Narnia." In ''PrinceCaspian'', 1 year on Earth=1000 years in Narnia; in ''TheSilverChair'', ''Literature/TheSilverChair'', 1 year on Earth=70 years in Narnia.
25th Nov '15 6:29:15 PM chibibo
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*** Actually, we learn this in ''The Last Battle'' when Tirian is telling Jill about the peaceful times of Narnia: "He told how King Gale, who was ninth in descent from Frank the first of all Kings, had sailed far away into the Eastern seas and delivered the Lone Islanders from a dragon and how, in return, they had given him the Lone Islands to be part of the royal lands of Narnia for ever." Whether this justifies Caspian's actions when he arrived there is up to interpretation.
10th Oct '15 9:29:07 PM LBHills
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*** Whatever Tash is, it's not an Anti-God: King Peter can exorcise it in the name of the Emperor without much effort.



** Alternately, Tash may have been ''part'' of the Emperor-over-Sea's design for the cosmos, not an outside intruder like Jadis. Having recognized that his new world was corrupted from the beginning, he included a Death God among his river gods, tree spirits and so forth (vulture symbolism seems meaningful here) because his universe suddenly had the potential for its creatures to reject his grace. Aslan meant that Tash was 'his opposite' not because he was equal to the Emperor, but because he was the (intended) death of the universe while Aslan has always represented life.

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** Alternately, Tash may have been ''part'' of the Emperor-over-Sea's design for the cosmos, not an outside intruder like Jadis. Having recognized that his new world was corrupted from the beginning, he included a Death God among his river gods, tree spirits and so forth (vulture symbolism seems meaningful here) (note the vulture symbolism) because his universe suddenly had the potential for its creatures to reject his grace. Aslan meant that Tash was 'his opposite' not because he was equal to the Emperor, but because he was the (intended) death of the universe symbolizes oblivion, while Aslan has always represented life.
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