History Headscratchers / TheChroniclesOfNarnia

25th Apr '17 1:01:03 PM Golondrina
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** Might also be the result of the BBC production, which recycled actresses for the two characters. Though to be honest, they're best off getting TildaSwinton to player her anyway, because the it's evident the movies miss something without her.

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** Might also be the result of the BBC production, which recycled actresses for the two characters. Though to be honest, they're best off getting TildaSwinton Creator/TildaSwinton to player her anyway, because the it's evident the movies miss something without her.
13th Mar '17 2:45:21 PM MasterFuzzy
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** This troper thought that it might be the Dwarves. In Book 7, they refuse to follow Aslan and instead bicker amongst themselves in the darkness, which sounds like what Lewis, who wasn't overly fond of Jews, might've thought of them.
4th Mar '17 9:46:19 AM Jebedee
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\n*** What happens to her is obviously horrible when you think about it, but to say it's "supposed to be punishment and damnation" implies the book wants us to see it as some sort of retribution for Susan's actions, which I think is a lot more dubious. For starters, her doing the "right" thing wouldn't have prevented the deaths, just meant that she was among them. More significantly, the narrative never shows the slightest interest in how the deaths might impact on Susan; she's only briefly mentioned (before anyone knows they're dead) to explain why she's not present.

8th Feb '17 11:41:56 AM akanesarumara
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\n** Can someone explain how a teenager losing her siblings and other relatives in a train crash is ''not'' supposed to be punishment and damnation?



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** Can someone explain how a teenager losing her siblings and other relatives in a train crash is ''not'' supposed to be punishment and damnation?

27th Nov '16 3:08:05 PM nombretomado
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* The Dufflepuds are actually highly problematic. Consider: When the White Witch turns people into stone, it's one of the things that mark her as a villain. When Eustace gets involuntarily turned into a dragon earlier in ''Literature/{{Voyage of the Dawn Treader}}'', it's a rather miserable experience for him. Yet when the wizard Coriakin transforms these people (against their will, for disobedience) into forms they consider so ugly that they'd rather be invisible...that's suddenly a-ok because he's [[PalsWithJesus pals with Aslan]] and because when the invisibility spell is lifted again, Lucy in an unprecedented display of sympathy finds their transformed bodies hilariously funny and asks if they really ''have'' to be turned back. [[FlatWhat Wat]]. -- And no, they never do get their original form back, and what the author would like us to take away from this episode is that they're silly people who simply didn't know how to properly ''appreciate'' their wizard-given new bodies. If that's not a prime example of ProtagonistCenteredMorality, I don't know what is.

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* The Dufflepuds are actually highly problematic. Consider: When the White Witch turns people into stone, it's one of the things that mark her as a villain. When Eustace gets involuntarily turned into a dragon earlier in ''Literature/{{Voyage of the Dawn Treader}}'', ''Literature/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader'', it's a rather miserable experience for him. Yet when the wizard Coriakin transforms these people (against their will, for disobedience) into forms they consider so ugly that they'd rather be invisible...that's suddenly a-ok because he's [[PalsWithJesus pals with Aslan]] and because when the invisibility spell is lifted again, Lucy in an unprecedented display of sympathy finds their transformed bodies hilariously funny and asks if they really ''have'' to be turned back. [[FlatWhat Wat]]. -- And no, they never do get their original form back, and what the author would like us to take away from this episode is that they're silly people who simply didn't know how to properly ''appreciate'' their wizard-given new bodies. If that's not a prime example of ProtagonistCenteredMorality, I don't know what is.
27th Nov '16 3:07:30 PM nombretomado
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* There's a blog deconstructing the Narnia series out there whose author makes a pretty good case that Eustace's supposed jerkassery may be primarily an InformedFlaw. Whatever his actions and unexplored possible prior issues with the Pevensies, in ''[[Literature/VoyageOfTheDawnTreader VotDT]]'' he quickly ends up shanghaied into Narnia against his will, unlike the golden four in the first novel he doesn't have a ready way back via a magical wardrobe, and rather than having his first encounter with the natives be with a friendly faun or beavers (or even a faux-friendly witch), he ends up on a ship full of strangers who make fun of him for getting seasick. And unlike the other two he's ''not'' legendary-former-royalty of Narnia -- he really ''is'' just a kid who got dragged along. It's not entirely surprising, then, that he wouldn't take it well, no matter how much Lewis himself goes out of his way to mock him.

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* There's a blog deconstructing the Narnia series out there whose author makes a pretty good case that Eustace's supposed jerkassery may be primarily an InformedFlaw. Whatever his actions and unexplored possible prior issues with the Pevensies, in ''[[Literature/VoyageOfTheDawnTreader ''[[Literature/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader VotDT]]'' he quickly ends up shanghaied into Narnia against his will, unlike the golden four in the first novel he doesn't have a ready way back via a magical wardrobe, and rather than having his first encounter with the natives be with a friendly faun or beavers (or even a faux-friendly witch), he ends up on a ship full of strangers who make fun of him for getting seasick. And unlike the other two he's ''not'' legendary-former-royalty of Narnia -- he really ''is'' just a kid who got dragged along. It's not entirely surprising, then, that he wouldn't take it well, no matter how much Lewis himself goes out of his way to mock him.



** In ''[[Literature/TheVoyageoftheDawnTreader Dawn Treader]]'', the difference is even smaller: one Earth year was equal to two Narnian years. And all of this presupposes that, even if there were no magical time-dilation and contraction effects, a Narnian year consists of 365 24-hour days. That could well be a false assumption, rendering any attempt at calculations and formulas (even more) useless.

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** In ''[[Literature/TheVoyageoftheDawnTreader ''[[Literature/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader Dawn Treader]]'', the difference is even smaller: one Earth year was equal to two Narnian years. And all of this presupposes that, even if there were no magical time-dilation and contraction effects, a Narnian year consists of 365 24-hour days. That could well be a false assumption, rendering any attempt at calculations and formulas (even more) useless.
25th Nov '16 9:06:21 PM nombretomado
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This only JustBugsMe in relation to ''BridgeToTerabithia'', but it's really annoying that Walden Media chose to keep Narnia in-period but not Bridge since, 1)the war is really only used as an excuse to get the kids up to the Professor's house while TheSeventies and the whole post-Vietnam mindset looms large in the background of BTT, and 2) They were re-creating America in New Zealand, it wouldn't have been ''that'' much harder to throw in a period setting.

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This only JustBugsMe in relation to ''BridgeToTerabithia'', ''Literature/BridgeToTerabithia'', but it's really annoying that Walden Media chose to keep Narnia in-period but not Bridge since, 1)the war is really only used as an excuse to get the kids up to the Professor's house while TheSeventies and the whole post-Vietnam mindset looms large in the background of BTT, and 2) They were re-creating America in New Zealand, it wouldn't have been ''that'' much harder to throw in a period setting.
22nd Nov '16 4:42:25 PM damnedifiaint
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** So Aravis knew her actions had bad consequences but didn't care, while Caspian and Dr Cornelius didn't even think about the little people in the first place?

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** So Aravis knew her actions had bad consequences but didn't care, while Caspian and Dr Cornelius didn't even think about the little people in the first place?place?
*** Caspian may not have thought of it at the time and was shortly thereafter too preoccupied with a war for his life, while Dr. Cornelius deemed it necessary to save Caspian's life and was shortly thereafter preoccupied with avoiding torture and possibly execution/murder for his part in Caspian's escape. It's not that they didn't care, but there were far more pressing things for them to deal with. In contrast, Aravis essentially got away scot-free and bragged about what she did.
24th Sep '16 4:50:12 PM nombretomado
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* Everybody always focuses on the "lipstick and invitations" bit, but I don't think that's really where the problem lies. I think the most telling reason for why Susan got left out is more of a maturity issue, as shown by when she says "What wonderful memories you have! '''Fancy you still thinking about all those funny games we used to play when we were children'''." The issue isn't that she's being more social, it's that she's basically attempting to deny everything that she experienced because it makes her feel childish, and she ''wants'' to feel mature. CSLewis had some strong opinions on people who felt that "being grown up" was an end in itself, and disparaged childish things for that reason. Maybe this quote will shed some light on where he might have been coming from:

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* Everybody always focuses on the "lipstick and invitations" bit, but I don't think that's really where the problem lies. I think the most telling reason for why Susan got left out is more of a maturity issue, as shown by when she says "What wonderful memories you have! '''Fancy you still thinking about all those funny games we used to play when we were children'''." The issue isn't that she's being more social, it's that she's basically attempting to deny everything that she experienced because it makes her feel childish, and she ''wants'' to feel mature. CSLewis Creator/CSLewis had some strong opinions on people who felt that "being grown up" was an end in itself, and disparaged childish things for that reason. Maybe this quote will shed some light on where he might have been coming from:
19th Sep '16 5:09:56 AM damnedifiaint
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*** Probably Archenland. One of the other books mentioned Calormenes spread oil on their bread. And Calormen is a desert, while Archenland is forested.
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