History Headscratchers / TeenTitans

16th Jun '16 4:23:04 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Just a little one, but why does Blackfire look so different from Starfire and the rest of the Tamaraneans?]] Cosmetic surgery? [[TenchiMuyo Sister from another mother]] (or father)? Automatic dark side makeover? I like to think Blackfire is Starfire's half-sister and her parent came from a black-haired, human-eyed ethnic group that was beaten by DarkSkinnedRedHead Tamareneans and given to as tribute.

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[[WMG: Just a little one, but why does Blackfire look so different from Starfire and the rest of the Tamaraneans?]] Cosmetic surgery? [[TenchiMuyo [[Anime/TenchiMuyo Sister from another mother]] (or father)? Automatic dark side makeover? I like to think Blackfire is Starfire's half-sister and her parent came from a black-haired, human-eyed ethnic group that was beaten by DarkSkinnedRedHead Tamareneans and given to as tribute.
14th May '16 2:19:40 PM AntMan
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* I just figured it was because they're not very smart
14th May '16 2:17:27 PM AntMan
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* come on, it was so obviously Scarecrow
4th May '16 12:11:43 PM costanton11
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Date With Destiny is a (personally) very annoying episode to watch because of the A plot. Why on Earth is Starfire jealous of Robin going to prom with Kitten even though he's made it ''very'' clear that he doesn't like her and he doesn't want to be there?

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Date With Destiny is a (personally) very annoying episode to watch because of the A plot. Why on Earth is Starfire jealous of Robin going to prom with Kitten even though he's made it ''very'' clear that he doesn't like her and he doesn't want to be there?there?
* While they may be superheroes, they're still teenagers and thus prone to irrational jealously.
27th Apr '16 1:28:08 PM ElegantVamp
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[[folder: As awesome as "The End" was all around, Raven's overpowering of Trigon seemed to come from nowhere.]]

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[[folder: [[WMG: As awesome as "The End" was all around, Raven's overpowering of Trigon seemed to come from nowhere.]]
27th Apr '16 1:23:36 PM ElegantVamp
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*** While they didn't know she was the princess, she still made it clear that this was an arranged marriage, thus she didn't have much of a choice in the matter, Even if they gave her their support, they still didn't seem particularly happy about it and would have preferred if she didn't leave at all. As for Cyborg, a good chunk of why Robin was mad at him was because he seemingly left the team when they were in a time of need, apprehending criminals. Not to mention that Robin was the only one really angry at Cyborg; the rest were merely disheartened by his departure. To add to that, by leaving to take charge of "his own team", Cyborg appeared to the other Titans to be repudiating their friendship so he could have the glory of being leader, since they don't know the whole story about why he decided to stay.

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*** While they didn't know she was the princess, she still made it clear that this was an arranged marriage, thus she didn't have much of a choice in the matter, Even if they gave her their support, they still didn't seem particularly happy about it and would have preferred if she didn't leave at all. As for Cyborg, a good chunk of why Robin was mad at him was because he seemingly left the team when they were in a time of need, apprehending criminals. Not to mention that Robin was the only one really angry at Cyborg; the rest were merely disheartened by his departure. To add to that, by leaving to take charge of "his own team", Cyborg appeared to the other Titans to be repudiating their friendship so he could have the glory of being leader, since they don't know the whole story about why he decided to stay.stay.

[[WMG: Why is Starfire jealous?]]
Date With Destiny is a (personally) very annoying episode to watch because of the A plot. Why on Earth is Starfire jealous of Robin going to prom with Kitten even though he's made it ''very'' clear that he doesn't like her and he doesn't want to be there?
6th Apr '16 4:28:26 PM costanton11
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*** While they didn't know she was the princess, she still made it clear that this was an arranged marriage, thus she didn't have much of a choice in the matter, Even if they gave her their support, they still didn't seem particularly happy about it. As for Cyborg, a good chunk of why Robin was mad at him was because he seemingly left the team when they were in a time of need, apprehending criminals. Not to mention that Robin was the only one really angry at Cyborg; the rest were merely disheartened by his departure.

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*** While they didn't know she was the princess, she still made it clear that this was an arranged marriage, thus she didn't have much of a choice in the matter, Even if they gave her their support, they still didn't seem particularly happy about it.it and would have preferred if she didn't leave at all. As for Cyborg, a good chunk of why Robin was mad at him was because he seemingly left the team when they were in a time of need, apprehending criminals. Not to mention that Robin was the only one really angry at Cyborg; the rest were merely disheartened by his departure. To add to that, by leaving to take charge of "his own team", Cyborg appeared to the other Titans to be repudiating their friendship so he could have the glory of being leader, since they don't know the whole story about why he decided to stay.
6th Apr '16 4:26:01 PM costanton11
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*** Even if they gave her their support, they still didn't seem particularly happy about it. As for Cyborg, a good chunk of why Robin was mad at him was because he seemingly left the team when they were in a time of need, apprehending criminals. Not to mention that Robin was the only one really angry at Cyborg; the rest were merely disheartened by his departure.

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*** While they didn't know she was the princess, she still made it clear that this was an arranged marriage, thus she didn't have much of a choice in the matter, Even if they gave her their support, they still didn't seem particularly happy about it. As for Cyborg, a good chunk of why Robin was mad at him was because he seemingly left the team when they were in a time of need, apprehending criminals. Not to mention that Robin was the only one really angry at Cyborg; the rest were merely disheartened by his departure.
1st Apr '16 11:49:05 AM costanton11
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I know the Brotherhood was seeking to destroy the younger generation, but seriously. Do you mean to tell me that none of them even cared that their archnemises were trying to kill one of their former members?

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I know the Brotherhood was seeking to destroy the younger generation, but seriously. Do you mean to tell me that none of them even cared that their archnemises archenemies were trying to kill one of their former members?



* Yeah, it is pretty obvious. Even if they never say it, there's a good chance that the guy who has Dick Grayson's Batmanesque work ethic, has Dick Grayson's love interest, goes on to become Nightwing, is in the lineup from the comics that included Dick Grayson as they went through storylines from the comics that were Graysons, wears the costume of Dick Grayson (yeah, in the comics, Tim Drake is the first to wear that costume as opposed to Dick's pantsless version, but in '90s-2000s animated series, only Dick wears green and red. Tim wears black and red.) and has a Parallel Universe counterpart whose name is Dick Grayson spelled backwards is in fact Dick Grayson. As for Batman's saying Tim/Robin was with the Titans that time in ''WesternAnimation/StaticShock'' - don't forget that in Teen Titans, Flash is Kid Flash and Speedy is younger than his Justice League appearance. So Drake will be a Titan when Dick is Nightwing and Wally West (how do we know he's TT's Kid Flash? Same actor, he was the only Kid Flash at the time of that lineup, these storylines, etc.) is the Flash - in other words, a whole lot like in current comics.

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* Yeah, it is pretty obvious. Even if they never say it, there's a good chance that the guy who has Dick Grayson's Batmanesque work ethic, has Dick Grayson's love interest, goes on to become Nightwing, is in the lineup from the comics that included Dick Grayson as they went through storylines from the comics that were Graysons, Graysons', wears the costume of Dick Grayson (yeah, in the comics, Tim Drake is the first to wear that costume as opposed to Dick's pantsless pants-less version, but in '90s-2000s animated series, only Dick wears green and red. Tim wears black and red.) and has a Parallel Universe counterpart whose name is Dick Grayson spelled backwards is in fact Dick Grayson. As for Batman's saying Tim/Robin was with the Titans that time in ''WesternAnimation/StaticShock'' - don't forget that in Teen Titans, Flash is Kid Flash and Speedy is younger than his Justice League appearance. So Drake will be a Titan when Dick is Nightwing and Wally West (how do we know he's TT's Kid Flash? Same actor, he was the only Kid Flash at the time of that lineup, these storylines, etc.) is the Flash - in other words, a whole lot like in current comics.



** The show being family-rated doesn't explain the fact that Kyd Wykkyd didn't get an explanation. Anyhoo, Wykkyd got way more screentime than Private Hobbs. Remember Private Hobbs? Didn't think so. He was in one scene (blink and you miss him) from "Deception" and then a little bit later he somehow replaces Billy Numerous as the sixth member of the HIVE Five. Horsesh*t!

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** The show being family-rated doesn't explain the fact that Kyd Wykkyd didn't get an explanation. Anyhoo, Wykkyd got way more screentime screen time than Private Hobbs. Remember Private Hobbs? Didn't think so. He was in one scene (blink and you miss him) from "Deception" and then a little bit later he somehow replaces Billy Numerous as the sixth member of the HIVE Five. Horsesh*t!



* The Titans treated the Terra event as a MoralEventHorizon moment. They had been fighting Slade before, but it was clearly the means and not the objective which were treated as horrible here. Hurting people's bodies in open confrontation is one thing; hurting people's minds and hearts by gaining their trust and betraying them is another. Besides, if there was an aesop to the episode where Robin disguises himself as Red X, it is that using certain means to fight crime (such as betraying people's trust, his friends' in that case) is wrong, and that in fighting crime one should be careful not to become like that against which one is supposed to be fighting. The first troper is right; H.I.V.E. never did something so horrible to the Titans as what they did to them by infiltrating Cyborg. The hell with them.

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* The Titans treated the Terra event as a MoralEventHorizon moment. They had been fighting Slade before, but it was clearly the means and not the objective which were treated as horrible here. Hurting people's bodies in open confrontation is one thing; hurting people's minds and hearts by gaining their trust and betraying them is another. Besides, if there was an aesop Aesop to the episode where Robin disguises himself as Red X, it is that using certain means to fight crime (such as betraying people's trust, his friends' in that case) is wrong, and that in fighting crime one should be careful not to become like that against which one is supposed to be fighting. The first troper is right; H.I.V.E. never did something so horrible to the Titans as what they did to them by infiltrating Cyborg. The hell with them.



** MoralEventHorizon moments usually don't entail repeated, highly emotional attempts to get through to the perpetrator. When it first becomes obvious that she has betrayed them, they are simply shocked, and (apart from Raven, who immediately bolts down on "just another criminal") rather confused. It's only after she cements her position by nearly ''killing'' them all that they drop all hesitation and fight with everything they have, which is appropriate. By contrast, Cyborg didn't intend form any emotional attachments in H.I.V.E., and he certainly had no intention of killing anybody. To say nothing of their status as supervillains bent on power, loot and destruction. The two situations and "betrayals" are extremely different.

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** MoralEventHorizon moments usually don't entail repeated, highly emotional attempts to get through to the perpetrator. When it first becomes obvious that she has betrayed them, they are simply shocked, and (apart from Raven, who immediately bolts down on "just another criminal") rather confused. It's only after she cements her position by nearly ''killing'' them all that they drop all hesitation and fight with everything they have, which is appropriate. By contrast, Cyborg didn't intend form any emotional attachments in H.I.V.E., and he certainly had no intention of killing anybody. To say nothing of their status as supervillains super villains bent on power, loot and destruction. The two situations and "betrayals" are extremely different.



* Starfire simply believed her relationship with Robin had progressed into a romantic area only for Robin to throw the whole thing into doubt by very vocally, and angrily denying it. Later they talk it over and she realises she'd only been a little ahead of him and so things are fine.

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* Starfire simply believed her relationship with Robin had progressed into a romantic area only for Robin to throw the whole thing into doubt by very vocally, and angrily denying it. Later they talk it over and she realises realizes she'd only been a little ahead of him and so things are fine.



* Her powers in the comics ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' is based on were pretty weaksauce for an action cartoon: she was empathic, psychic, had healing powers, flight, teleportation, and astral projection. There might have been more, but regardless, she was a strict pacifist, so it made little difference. She was the White Mage of the team. And she was a demigoddess (demoness, rather) over there as well. Moreover, she doesn't really get new powers as the plot demands. She's got telekinesis and ill-defined darkness-based powers. She doesn't use the latter because they're evil. I'm not seeing the problem.

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* Her powers in the comics ''ComicBook/TeenTitans'' is based on were pretty weaksauce weak sauce for an action cartoon: she was empathic, psychic, had healing powers, flight, teleportation, and astral projection. There might have been more, but regardless, she was a strict pacifist, so it made little difference. She was the White Mage of the team. And she was a demigoddess (demoness, rather) over there as well. Moreover, she doesn't really get new powers as the plot demands. She's got telekinesis and ill-defined darkness-based powers. She doesn't use the latter because they're evil. I'm not seeing the problem.



* Just thought I'd list her powers: Telekinesis capable of crushing steel (auto-win against most enemies, Beast Boy, Cyborg, Robin and Terra). Portal forming. Teleportation (as seen in Go it's easy to teleport the entire team almost a mile away). Intangibility. The ability to make other objects intangible ''at range'' (imagine phasing someone underground to render them helpless). Black energy constructs. Precognition. Telepathy. Time manipulation (Timestop in particular). Changing form into demons and whatnot (and she doesn't even have to be evil to do it!). Astral projection (why does she even need a body? she can affect the mortal plane without it). Healing of herself and others. Creating monsters. Flight. And I'm sure I've missed something. Then there's her magic. And apparently her father can devastate the world in a few seconds, defeating every superhero on the planet simultaneously yet gets badly hurt by a team that Raven could easily destroy (she subconsciously created monsters that beat them) especially if you remove the killing inhibitions (TK is nasty if used properly and phasing someone's brain out should be lethal). From this it's obvious the only reason they lasted a second must have been Raven's protection.

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* Just thought I'd list her powers: Telekinesis capable of crushing steel (auto-win against most enemies, Beast Boy, Cyborg, Robin and Terra). Portal forming. Teleportation (as seen in Go it's easy to teleport the entire team almost a mile away). Intangibility. The ability to make other objects intangible ''at range'' (imagine phasing someone underground to render them helpless). Black energy constructs. Precognition. Telepathy. Time manipulation (Timestop (Time-stop in particular). Changing form into demons and whatnot (and she doesn't even have to be evil to do it!). Astral projection (why does she even need a body? she can affect the mortal plane without it). Healing of herself and others. Creating monsters. Flight. And I'm sure I've missed something. Then there's her magic. And apparently her father can devastate the world in a few seconds, defeating every superhero on the planet simultaneously yet gets badly hurt by a team that Raven could easily destroy (she subconsciously created monsters that beat them) especially if you remove the killing inhibitions (TK is nasty if used properly and phasing someone's brain out should be lethal). From this it's obvious the only reason they lasted a second must have been Raven's protection.



* Might be worth noting that her two of her most extreme powers - stopping time and creating monster hordes - were purely by accident, and took even ''her'' by surprise. As for why she doesn't do deadlier things with her other powers, it could be that she's actively resisting any excessive force out of fear it could fuel the evil inside her. Recall how horrified she was after she [[CurbStompBattle totally curbstomped]] Slade in "Prophecy."

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* Might be worth noting that her two of her most extreme powers - stopping time and creating monster hordes - were purely by accident, and took even ''her'' by surprise. As for why she doesn't do deadlier things with her other powers, it could be that she's actively resisting any excessive force out of fear it could fuel the evil inside her. Recall how horrified she was after she [[CurbStompBattle totally curbstomped]] curb stomped]] Slade in "Prophecy."



*** Maybe because it's out in the open? Jump City is portrayed as a den of crime and villainy. Anything that they put on the island would be robbed blind by any of the supervillains.

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*** Maybe because it's out in the open? Jump City is portrayed as a den of crime and villainy. Anything that they put on the island would be robbed blind by any of the supervillains.super villains.



[[WMG: Beast Boy's choices in animal forms never cease to bother me. When pure brute strength is the best option in a fight, he almost never chooses an outright gigantic animal. And no matter how often he faces alien, mutated, or otherwise bizarre forms of animals, he never chooses to be anything besides a regular, realistic animal to fight them. This is most {{egregious}} in the episode where he turns into a lycanthrope-esque animal. He turns into a sasquatch at least TWICE. Clearly, he CAN be animals that aren't real or he hasn't seen, but usually just chooses not to.]]

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[[WMG: Beast Boy's choices in animal forms never cease to bother me. When pure brute strength is the best option in a fight, he almost never chooses an outright gigantic animal. And no matter how often he faces alien, mutated, or otherwise bizarre forms of animals, he never chooses to be anything besides a regular, realistic animal to fight them. This is most {{egregious}} in the episode where he turns into a lycanthrope-esque animal. He turns into a sasquatch Sasquatch at least TWICE. Clearly, he CAN be animals that aren't real or he hasn't seen, but usually just chooses not to.]]



* And maybe the fact that she kept giving him more pies, whereas Blodd just did his mind-control glare every once in a while.

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* And maybe the fact that she kept giving him more pies, whereas Blodd Blood just did his mind-control glare every once in a while.



** Okay. This is how this troper sees it: once Trigon had used Raven as a portal, he didn't need her any more. So, he got rid of the part of her that he had influence over her. As Slade put it: "That part of her existence is over." But young!Raven represented her potential, what she could be ''without'' Trigon. She believed that she was nothing without Trigon - Trigon created her, Trigon gave her powers. Without Trigon, she's "lost". But when she fought back, she'd realised that she didn't need Trigon - she could be powerful on her own. She allowed her potential to grow. As for where these white powers came from... ''There'', this troper is slightly stuck, and has resorted to a slightly AssPull-y solution that she gained them from growing up in Azarath.

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** Okay. This is how this troper sees it: once Trigon had used Raven as a portal, he didn't need her any more. So, he got rid of the part of her that he had influence over her. As Slade put it: "That part of her existence is over." But young!Raven represented her potential, what she could be ''without'' Trigon. She believed that she was nothing without Trigon - Trigon created her, Trigon gave her powers. Without Trigon, she's "lost". But when she fought back, she'd realised realized that she didn't need Trigon - she could be powerful on her own. She allowed her potential to grow. As for where these white powers came from... ''There'', this troper is slightly stuck, and has resorted to a slightly AssPull-y solution that she gained them from growing up in Azarath.



* Even though it breaks the aesop the writers seemed to be going for, I like to think that it ''was'' Cyborg's nature that was making him so hard to control. Cyborg's HandWave of his Blood-like powers was that Blood was trying to hard to get into Cyborg's mind that Cyborg got into Blood's mind too (and, presumably, was turning his own mental powers against him). So when Cyborg started glowing and smirked that maybe it's not the machine, it's the man, it's because he could sense Brother Blood's deepest fear (that he really is just too weak to control Cyborg) and was taunting him with the idea that it might be true to make him doubt himself. As for Bumblebee, we could chalk it up to her mutation, powers or whatever, but as said, the idea that it's ''just'' willpower is kind of a slam against Aqualad, Speedy, Mos and Menos, and everyone else Blood ever controlled.

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* Even though it breaks the aesop the writers seemed to be going for, I like to think that it ''was'' Cyborg's nature that was making him so hard to control. Cyborg's HandWave of his Blood-like powers was that Blood was trying to hard to get into Cyborg's mind that Cyborg got into Blood's mind too (and, presumably, was turning his own mental powers against him). So when Cyborg started glowing and smirked that maybe it's not the machine, it's the man, it's because he could sense Brother Blood's deepest fear (that he really is just too weak to control Cyborg) and was taunting him with the idea that it might be true to make him doubt himself. As for Bumblebee, we could chalk it up to her mutation, powers or whatever, but as said, the idea that it's ''just'' willpower is kind of a slam against Aqualad, Speedy, Mos Mas and Menos, and everyone else Blood ever controlled.



* THANK YOU! That has NEVER stopped bugging me! We see countless examples that the in-universe industries produce a lot of toxic waste that Plasmus enjoys. We also never see Plasmus willfully do ANYTHING more serious than destroying cheap, easily replaceable equipment for the sake of getting to that toxic waste. Essentially, he has the mentality of an animal. And I'm supposed to believe that NO ONE thought of just giving him a stretch of desert and diverting industrial biproducts to him? You solve your pollution crisis, AND you remove any reason for a large animal to become dangerous.

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* THANK YOU! That has NEVER stopped bugging me! We see countless examples that the in-universe industries produce a lot of toxic waste that Plasmus enjoys. We also never see Plasmus willfully do ANYTHING more serious than destroying cheap, easily replaceable equipment for the sake of getting to that toxic waste. Essentially, he has the mentality of an animal. And I'm supposed to believe that NO ONE thought of just giving him a stretch of desert and diverting industrial biproducts byproducts to him? You solve your pollution crisis, AND you remove any reason for a large animal to become dangerous.



* How so? It was a Starfire-centric episode, not like Raven was going to be all ''that'' important to the plot. And what exactly do you mean by we didn't "see" Adult Raven? Do you mean she kept her hood up the whole time so we didn't see how her face and hair had changed? I think how she looked is kind of irrelevent, the main thing we needed to know about Future Raven was just that without her support system her mind collapsed in on itself. Part of the whole underlying theme that the Titans are stronger together than they are apart.

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* How so? It was a Starfire-centric episode, not like Raven was going to be all ''that'' important to the plot. And what exactly do you mean by we didn't "see" Adult Raven? Do you mean she kept her hood up the whole time so we didn't see how her face and hair had changed? I think how she looked is kind of irrelevent, irrelevant, the main thing we needed to know about Future Raven was just that without her support system her mind collapsed in on itself. Part of the whole underlying theme that the Titans are stronger together than they are apart.



** Well, how was he supposed to know his army of supervillains would fall prey to ConservationOfNinjitsu and get curbstomped? Ahem. That aside, I don't think his last-ditch plan to destroy everyone was too bad.

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** Well, how was he supposed to know his army of supervillains super villains would fall prey to ConservationOfNinjitsu and get curbstomped? curb stomped? Ahem. That aside, I don't think his last-ditch plan to destroy everyone was too bad.



** From a Doylist perspective, it's a creative decision the writers made to focus exclusively on their superhero roles with no mention of their civilian lives: it's also why they sleep in their uniforms and never go by any names apart from their superhero aliases. Going Watsonian, though, Robin and Cyborg may have earned their diplomas early: Robin from studying like crazy under Bruce Wayne and Alfred, Cyborg by uploading the relevant data into his brain. Starfire and Raven are basically cosmic tourists hailing from seperate alien cultures: they're both likely finished with their own version of secondary education, and even trying to enroll them in an American high-school would be a bureaucratic nightmare. Beast Boy's the odd one out, since he seems to be (mostly) human and immature enough to still belong in high schol, but perhaps Mento (who's nothing if not intellectually strict) had him finish his equivalent degree way back when he was with the Doom Patrol.

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** From a Doylist perspective, it's a creative decision the writers made to focus exclusively on their superhero roles with no mention of their civilian lives: it's also why they sleep in their uniforms and never go by any names apart from their superhero aliases. Going Watsonian, though, Robin and Cyborg may have earned their diplomas early: Robin from studying like crazy under Bruce Wayne and Alfred, Cyborg by uploading the relevant data into his brain. Starfire and Raven are basically cosmic tourists hailing from seperate separate alien cultures: they're both likely finished with their own version of secondary education, and even trying to enroll them in an American high-school would be a bureaucratic nightmare. Beast Boy's the odd one out, since he seems to be (mostly) human and immature enough to still belong in high schol, school, but perhaps Mento (who's nothing if not intellectually strict) had him finish his equivalent degree way back when he was with the Doom Patrol.



** I think part of it is The City realizing that nobody else can protect the city from supervillains, so they tolerate their truancy and independence (and probably help fund their operation).

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** I think part of it is The City realizing that nobody else can protect the city from supervillains, super villains, so they tolerate their truancy and independence (and probably help fund their operation).



*** It's possible Slade himself did it- if he'd already done his DealWithTheDevil with Trigon, but wasn't yet ready to be sent back to the mortal world because the time of the prophecy wasn't at hand yet, he may just have had the oppurtunity to play around a bit. The glowing red light in the eye-hole of the mask seems to imply there's something out of the ordinary going on there.

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*** It's possible Slade himself did it- if he'd already done his DealWithTheDevil with Trigon, but wasn't yet ready to be sent back to the mortal world because the time of the prophecy wasn't at hand yet, he may just have had the oppurtunity opportunity to play around a bit. The glowing red light in the eye-hole of the mask seems to imply there's something out of the ordinary going on there.



** I think there's an explanation too. When they first created the H.I.V.E F.I.V.E there really were only five of them (Jinx, Gizmo,Mammoth,Private HIve, and Seemore)but they changed members which resulted in there being six, but by then they have already been calling themselves HIVE FIVE. The reason Kid Flash ask is to point out that there are six of them and to further drive his point that Jinx does not belong. Once she leaves there really are only five members left. Kid Flash just had the insight to realize that even in name Jinx didn't belong on the team, or at least that's what I think.

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** I think there's an explanation too. When they first created the H.I.V.E F.I.V.E there really were only five of them (Jinx, Gizmo,Mammoth,Private HIve, Hive, and Seemore)but See-more)but they changed members which resulted in there being six, but by then they have already been calling themselves HIVE FIVE. The reason Kid Flash ask is to point out that there are six of them and to further drive his point that Jinx does not belong. Once she leaves there really are only five members left. Kid Flash just had the insight to realize that even in name Jinx didn't belong on the team, or at least that's what I think.



* Considerable FridgeLogic when it comes to Tamareanean physiology. Not only can Starfire escape Earth's gravity under her own power, [[BatmanCanBreatheInSpace she apparently never needs to breathe while in space]], and can somehow also survive the fact that no air pressure in space usually equals LudicrousGibs, at least for humans. I used to be bugged by how Starfire can wander from planet to inhabited planet as easily as one would wander a large city, but maybe SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale.

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* Considerable FridgeLogic when it comes to Tamareanean Tamaranean physiology. Not only can Starfire escape Earth's gravity under her own power, [[BatmanCanBreatheInSpace she apparently never needs to breathe while in space]], and can somehow also survive the fact that no air pressure in space usually equals LudicrousGibs, at least for humans. I used to be bugged by how Starfire can wander from planet to inhabited planet as easily as one would wander a large city, but maybe SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale.



* Do the Titans know each others birthnames? It seems they always refer to each other by their nicknames. The gang apparently never knew Gar's name until it was mentioned, but I figured he thought it was embarrassing.

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* Do the Titans know each others birthnames? birth names? It seems they always refer to each other by their nicknames. The gang apparently never knew Gar's name until it was mentioned, but I figured he thought it was embarrassing.



*** Beast Boy, as mentioned, is embarrased by his real name and unlikely to share it.

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*** Beast Boy, as mentioned, is embarrased embarrassed by his real name and unlikely to share it.



* The Centauri police featured in "Sisters" were, being brutally honest, complete morons. They were supposed to be going after Blackfire for her widespread crimes, to the point where they're prepared to search across whole galaxies to find her. So if capturing Blackfire is ''that'' big a deal, how the hell did they get Starfire mixed up with her? OK, so the hair could be [[{{Handwave}} handwaved]] through hair dye or whatever (and Blackfire DID don a pink wig, so...), but what about the eyes? You can't change eye colour. All in all, Starfire really doesn't look enough like Blackfire to justify that sort of mix-up, especially since "Betrothed" shows that most female Tamaraneans look very similar. At first, I assumed that the Centauri Moon diamond that Starfire wore throughout the episode could be seen as proof that she's a thief, but that ''still'' doesn't explain why she was attacked by the probe ''before'' Blackfire came along and gave it to her.
** Starfire and Blackfire are sisters, so if they were tracking Blackfire by her DNA (presumably they're using ''something'' more advanced than just appearance) it's possible that the probe confused the two and set the police on the wrong trail (especially after she starts wearing the necklace). Even if they ''were'' going on flat appearances, I'm going to have to disagree with you and say that Starfire and Blackfire are pretty much identical. If you take a compare the [[http://www.titanstower.com/assets/animated/artdesign/productioncels/sisters/ the production cels for that episode]], the only things that separate Star from Blackfire are body language and facial expression. When you take colour out of the equation (maybe the police are colour-blind?), it's easier to justify the mix-up.

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* The Centauri police featured in "Sisters" were, being brutally honest, complete morons. They were supposed to be going after Blackfire for her widespread crimes, to the point where they're prepared to search across whole galaxies to find her. So if capturing Blackfire is ''that'' big a deal, how the hell did they get Starfire mixed up with her? OK, so the hair could be [[{{Handwave}} handwaved]] hand-waved]] through hair dye or whatever (and Blackfire DID don a pink wig, so...), but what about the eyes? You can't change eye colour.color. All in all, Starfire really doesn't look enough like Blackfire to justify that sort of mix-up, especially since "Betrothed" shows that most female Tamaraneans look very similar. At first, I assumed that the Centauri Moon diamond that Starfire wore throughout the episode could be seen as proof that she's a thief, but that ''still'' doesn't explain why she was attacked by the probe ''before'' Blackfire came along and gave it to her.
** Starfire and Blackfire are sisters, so if they were tracking Blackfire by her DNA (presumably they're using ''something'' more advanced than just appearance) it's possible that the probe confused the two and set the police on the wrong trail (especially after she starts wearing the necklace). Even if they ''were'' going on flat appearances, I'm going to have to disagree with you and say that Starfire and Blackfire are pretty much identical. If you take a compare the [[http://www.titanstower.com/assets/animated/artdesign/productioncels/sisters/ the production cels for that episode]], the only things that separate Star from Blackfire are body language and facial expression. When you take colour color out of the equation (maybe the police are colour-blind?), color-blind?), it's easier to justify the mix-up.



** My theory: they knew Blackfire was on Earth, but were only given a rough overall description of her. Earth is not exactly a popular destination for aliens, so they assumed she was the only Tamaranian there. Add to that Blackfire planting the stolen goods on Starfire and familial resemblence, and it's a natural mistake to make.

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** My theory: they knew Blackfire was on Earth, but were only given a rough overall description of her. Earth is not exactly a popular destination for aliens, so they assumed she was the only Tamaranian there. Add to that Blackfire planting the stolen goods on Starfire and familial resemblence, resemblance, and it's a natural mistake to make.



* In "Crash," was it ever explained how Beast Boy talked as an ameoba? It's been a while, but I don't recall an explanation.
** No, and that's always bugged me, since he normally can't talk in animal forms (except on occasion when he's in the process of transforming). Still, "Crash" is one of the silliest and kiddy-est episodes of the series- it wasn't supposd to make a lot of sense.

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* In "Crash," was it ever explained how Beast Boy talked as an ameoba? amoeba? It's been a while, but I don't recall an explanation.
** No, and that's always bugged me, since he normally can't talk in animal forms (except on occasion when he's in the process of transforming). Still, "Crash" is one of the silliest and kiddy-est episodes of the series- it wasn't supposd supposed to make a lot of sense.



** We don't know - Slade never shares that little bit of info. I always figured that he was genre savy enough to know that Trigon would either cheat him out of the deal or try to [[JackassGenie grant it in a really horrible way]], so he scrounged around Trigon's domain until he found an artifact that would protect him. Honestly, it's something that should probably have been elaborated on more.
*** This makes sense, as Slade remarks to Robin that one should "never make a deal with an interdimensional demon without a little protection." How Trigon let that slip under his nose I'll never know, but he seems kind of negligent anyway.

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** We don't know - Slade never shares that little bit of info. I always figured that he was genre savy savvy enough to know that Trigon would either cheat him out of the deal or try to [[JackassGenie grant it in a really horrible way]], so he scrounged around Trigon's domain until he found an artifact that would protect him. Honestly, it's something that should probably have been elaborated on more.
*** This makes sense, as Slade remarks to Robin that one should "never make a deal with an interdimensional inter-dimensional demon without a little protection." How Trigon let that slip under his nose I'll never know, but he seems kind of negligent anyway.



** By the time the Teen Titans got there, the villian's usually been rampaging for some time, and people would have quickly noticed and fled. Plus, I'm sure part of their routine in throwing objects is making sure no one's inside them.

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** By the time the Teen Titans got there, the villian's villains usually been rampaging for some time, and people would have quickly noticed and fled. Plus, I'm sure part of their routine in throwing objects is making sure no one's inside them.



* If Beastboy can turn into alien animals, and has human (albeit his natural green human form) why doesn't he turn into a sentient alien, say Tamaranian or even more impressivingly a Kryptonian. Is there a rule in his powers he can't turn into sentient species? I know he probably has not met Superman and Supergirl (if they exist in this universe) but at the very least he met many Tamaranians, that would be a very useful transfromation, and Starfire could help teach him the ropes.

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* If Beastboy Beast boy can turn into alien animals, and has human (albeit his natural green human form) why doesn't he turn into a sentient alien, say Tamaranian or even more impressivingly a Kryptonian. Is there a rule in his powers he can't turn into sentient species? I know he probably has not met Superman and Supergirl (if they exist in this universe) but at the very least he met many Tamaranians, that would be a very useful transfromation, transformation, and Starfire could help teach him the ropes.



* Going a little bit into FetishFuel territory, but how come throughout most the show Starfire doesn't have a navel despite revealing her stomach all the time, but there are rare instances where she is shown with a navel? Was it slipups or mistakes by the staff? Were they easter-eggs the staff put in on purpose that you had to pay close attention to?

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* Going a little bit into FetishFuel territory, but how come throughout most the show Starfire doesn't have a navel despite revealing her stomach all the time, but there are rare instances where she is shown with a navel? Was it slipups slip ups or mistakes by the staff? Were they easter-eggs the staff put in on purpose that you had to pay close attention to?



** All Cyborg and Beast Boy know is that Raven's father is a giant red demon (and for all they know, that's not what he really looks like and is just how her mindscape portrays him). Somehow I doubt either of them is well-versed enough in demonology to recognize Trigon on sight. As for Starfire, we never see what exactly Raven told her, and somehow I tend to think Star got the highly edited version that explained how Raven's powers worked without going into the whole apocalpyse thing (Raven probably just told Starfire her father was someone very bad who had powerful dark magic and left it at that). Alternately, Raven swore Star to secrecy regarding the more sinister things.

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** All Cyborg and Beast Boy know is that Raven's father is a giant red demon (and for all they know, that's not what he really looks like and is just how her mindscape portrays him). Somehow I doubt either of them is well-versed enough in demonology to recognize Trigon on sight. As for Starfire, we never see what exactly Raven told her, and somehow I tend to think Star got the highly edited version that explained how Raven's powers worked without going into the whole apocalpyse apocalypse thing (Raven probably just told Starfire her father was someone very bad who had powerful dark magic and left it at that). Alternately, Raven swore Star to secrecy regarding the more sinister things.



** As far as we know, only Robin noticed/was told about Raven's time-freezing. Remember, there was much chaos when the spell activated; hard for the other Titans to get a bead on anything with time passing as normal for them. As for her state of dress and hair length, that might be another tid-bit exclusive to Robin. He's stated as knowing her better than anyone else, so he may've taken her back to Titans Tower before the others got back. But let's say that when Robin brought her home, the others saw her with long hair and her uniform tattered into a fringe bikini. She likely didn't divulge details, so they'd just assume she was in an intense fight (Terra's suit got mangled when she turned on Slade, and Robin got messed up figthting ''his own mind'') and let the mystery of the hair alone. Furthermore, they all know how Raven prefers to keep things to herself. Her friends have her back when she's ready, but she's never been the most open person; it's largely a matter of trust (yes, that trust is questionable given how S4 plays out, but they understand she was trying to protect them). As for the party...it's (the day after) her birthday, they care about her and they want to cheer her up. Comforting her seemed better than grilling her for answers about her hair, and out of all the Titans, Cy BB and Star are the most likely to lighten the mood rather than focus on doom-and-gloom.

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** As far as we know, only Robin noticed/was told about Raven's time-freezing. Remember, there was much chaos when the spell activated; hard for the other Titans to get a bead on anything with time passing as normal for them. As for her state of dress and hair length, that might be another tid-bit tidbit exclusive to Robin. He's stated as knowing her better than anyone else, so he may've taken her back to Titans Tower before the others got back. But let's say that when Robin brought her home, the others saw her with long hair and her uniform tattered into a fringe bikini. She likely didn't divulge details, so they'd just assume she was in an intense fight (Terra's suit got mangled when she turned on Slade, and Robin got messed up figthting fighting ''his own mind'') and let the mystery of the hair alone. Furthermore, they all know how Raven prefers to keep things to herself. Her friends have her back when she's ready, but she's never been the most open person; it's largely a matter of trust (yes, that trust is questionable given how S4 plays out, but they understand she was trying to protect them). As for the party...it's (the day after) her birthday, they care about her and they want to cheer her up. Comforting her seemed better than grilling her for answers about her hair, and out of all the Titans, Cy BB and Star are the most likely to lighten the mood rather than focus on doom-and-gloom.



*** On the other cases... Starfire fell to her doom, but we never see her hit anything. She could have flown just before going-'''SPALT''' Beastboy and Cyborg were thrown into a chasm of some sort, We don't know what was at the bottom, they could have survived that. In fact, the only person that I can actually question as to how they survived is Robin...

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*** On the other cases... Starfire fell to her doom, but we never see her hit anything. She could have flown just before going-'''SPALT''' Beastboy Beast boy and Cyborg were thrown into a chasm of some sort, We don't know what was at the bottom, they could have survived that. In fact, the only person that I can actually question as to how they survived is Robin...



* The purpose of Robin becoming obsessed with finding and unmasking Slade is to show how dangerously obsessed he's becoming with Slade in general, not to create any kind of mystery for the audience- as mentioned above, anyone who was familiar with the original comics or did a bit of research would know exactly who he was. Note that the "who is Slade" plot thread gets dropped after "Apprentice"- in other words, the same time that Robin realizes that his fixation on Slade was a dangerous mistake. Red X's identity was never really important at all, I feel- the suit is important because it represents one of Robin's mistakes come back to haunt him; the person inside the suit is irrelevant. In my headcanon, X was a nobody street tough before he either managed to break into the Tower himself (probably during "Aftershock", when the whole city was falling apart) and steal the suit, or somebody else stole the suit and sold it on the black market.

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* The purpose of Robin becoming obsessed with finding and unmasking Slade is to show how dangerously obsessed he's becoming with Slade in general, not to create any kind of mystery for the audience- as mentioned above, anyone who was familiar with the original comics or did a bit of research would know exactly who he was. Note that the "who is Slade" plot thread gets dropped after "Apprentice"- in other words, the same time that Robin realizes that his fixation on Slade was a dangerous mistake. Red X's identity was never really important at all, I feel- the suit is important because it represents one of Robin's mistakes come back to haunt him; the person inside the suit is irrelevant. In my headcanon, head canon, X was a nobody street tough before he either managed to break into the Tower himself (probably during "Aftershock", when the whole city was falling apart) and steal the suit, or somebody else stole the suit and sold it on the black market.



*** She knew that in the original timeline, the world was okay for a hundred years. Since Raven isn't human, I'll ignore the fact that she shouldn't live that long. That's still a huge change in how fast Trigon arrived. You'd think that would be enough for Raven to at least consider that Trigon was beatable. Also, given how much the Futre!Titans knew she worried about that, you'd think they'd have told Starfire to tell her they'd defeat Trigon. And maybe give some pointers on how to do it. And maybe a few later villains while they're at it.

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*** She knew that in the original timeline, the world was okay for a hundred years. Since Raven isn't human, I'll ignore the fact that she shouldn't live that long. That's still a huge change in how fast Trigon arrived. You'd think that would be enough for Raven to at least consider that Trigon was beatable. Also, given how much the Futre!Titans Future!Titans knew she worried about that, you'd think they'd have told Starfire to tell her they'd defeat Trigon. And maybe give some pointers on how to do it. And maybe a few later villains while they're at it.



Is it me or there's a bit of MoralDissonance involved? Cyborg deciding to leave the Team to become the leader of the Titans East is treated as a selfish decision and an act of betrayal by the rest of the Titans (We're supposed to side with them) yet earlier, in the same season, when Starfire gleefully decided to return to her home planet to marry a complete stranger, ''everyone''' was supportive (exept Robin being jealous).

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Is it me or there's a bit of MoralDissonance involved? Cyborg deciding to leave the Team to become the leader of the Titans East is treated as a selfish decision and an act of betrayal by the rest of the Titans (We're supposed to side with them) yet earlier, in the same season, when Starfire gleefully decided to return to her home planet to marry a complete stranger, ''everyone''' was supportive (exept (except Robin being jealous).
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*** Even if they gave her their support, they still didn't seem particularly happy about it. As for Cyborg, a good chunk of why Robin was mad at him was because he seemingly left the team when they were in a time of need, apprehending criminals.

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*** Even if they gave her their support, they still didn't seem particularly happy about it. As for Cyborg, a good chunk of why Robin was mad at him was because he seemingly left the team when they were in a time of need, apprehending criminals. Not to mention that Robin was the only one really angry at Cyborg; the rest were merely disheartened by his departure.
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