History Headscratchers / TeenTitans

16th Jun '18 11:47:45 AM costanton11
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* Going a little bit into FetishFuel territory, but how come throughout most the show Starfire doesn't have a navel despite revealing her stomach all the time, but there are rare instances where she is shown with a navel? Was it slip ups or mistakes by the staff? Were they easter-eggs the staff put in on purpose that you had to pay close attention to?

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* Going a little bit into FetishFuel territory, but how How come throughout most the show Starfire doesn't have a navel despite revealing her stomach all the time, but there are rare instances where she is shown with a navel? Was it slip ups or mistakes by the staff? Were they easter-eggs the staff put in on purpose that you had to pay close attention to?
31st May '18 5:42:14 PM costanton11
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*** To [[{{Tropers/Whitewings}} this troper]], it seems more likely by far that Terra is living the life she's yearned for: One where she can learn who she she actually is, and find some stability and even a measure of happiness. At very worst, her problems aren't getting worse, and at best, she's getting better. It's not really in the realm of probability that she'll never need to take up the mantle of Terra again, but maybe next time, she'll be able to deal with it more gracefully.

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*** To [[{{Tropers/Whitewings}} this troper]], it It seems more likely by far that Terra is living the life she's yearned for: One where she can learn who she she actually is, and find some stability and even a measure of happiness. At very worst, her problems aren't getting worse, and at best, she's getting better. It's not really in the realm of probability that she'll never need to take up the mantle of Terra again, but maybe next time, she'll be able to deal with it more gracefully.



* Repeated emphasis on "children-oriented" aside, the show wasn't big on explaining things. A good chunk of the Brotherhood of Evil hadn't been seen prior, and most of the existing ones didn't really ''have'' a story beyond their clashes with the Titans. In short, Wykkyd's a one-shot villain among other villains - a cool one that might have benefited from more exposition, but it;s not that kind of show.

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* Repeated emphasis on "children-oriented" aside, the show wasn't big on explaining things. A good chunk of the Brotherhood of Evil hadn't been seen prior, and most of the existing ones didn't really ''have'' a story beyond their clashes with the Titans. In short, Wykkyd's a one-shot villain among other villains - a cool one that might have benefited from more exposition, but it;s it's not that kind of show.



** ACTUALLY if you really really want to fit it in the DCAU you can put it before Batman:TAS because in B:TAS Robin is college age but in Teen Titans he's about high school age. And we know from the B:TAS episode "Robin's Reckoning" that Dick Grayson has been Robin since he was like 9. It's entirely possible that around the time he was 15 he decided to go solo and mmove to Jump City and then he went back to Gotham to attend college at Gotham University at the time B:TAS takes place. To aadd to that in the episode Lightspeed Kid Flash is voiced by Michael Rosenbaum, the same actor who voiced Flash in the Justice League which builds on the idea of Teen Titans being a prequel to the DCAU.

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** ACTUALLY if you really really want to fit it in the DCAU you can put it before Batman:TAS because in B:TAS Robin is college age but in Teen Titans he's about high school age. And we know from the B:TAS episode "Robin's Reckoning" that Dick Grayson has been Robin since he was like 9. It's entirely possible that around the time he was 15 he decided to go solo and mmove move to Jump City and then he went back to Gotham to attend college at Gotham University at the time B:TAS takes place. To aadd to that in the episode Lightspeed Kid Flash is voiced by Michael Rosenbaum, the same actor who voiced Flash in the Justice League which builds on the idea of Teen Titans being a prequel to the DCAU.



* The Doom Patrol were meant to be seen as negative counterparts to the Titans, what they could be if they grew up the wrong way. (Mento = Robin as a total JerkAss of a leader, Elasticgirl = Starfire as completely submissive, Robot Man = Cyborg without humanity, and Negative Man = Raven as truly gloomy and without emotional development. And then there's Beast Boy, who's problem is that he's played both teams.)

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* The Doom Patrol were meant to be seen as negative counterparts to the Titans, what they could be if they grew up the wrong way. (Mento = Robin as a total JerkAss of a leader, Elasticgirl Elasti-girl = Starfire as completely submissive, Robot Man = Cyborg without humanity, and Negative Man = Raven as truly gloomy and without emotional development. And then there's Beast Boy, who's problem is that he's played both teams.)



*** If you WATCH the episode Homecoming when Elastigirl reveals Beast Boy's real name its clear the other Titans didn't know iit before

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*** If you WATCH the episode Homecoming when Elastigirl reveals Beast Boy's real name its clear the other Titans didn't know iit it before



** Let's start with Starfire. In order to fly, you have to think of something joyful. To use starbolts, you need "righteous fury", and for her superhuman strength, "boundless confidence". It's easy to imagine how confidence and joy could go hand-in-hand, but what about starbolts? Is it even possible to feel righteous fury and joy simultaneously? At any rate, Starfire has flown/used starbolts whilst clearly feeling other emotions as well. A very good example is "Can I keep him?" when she leaves Silky - she's clearly upset and confused, yet she's still able to fly? Now Raven's powers. It's shown that they're very volatile, and can easily go out of control. For the most part, this remains consistent (with the notable exception of "Deep Six"). However, in "Car Trouble" she tells Cyborg that she has to put part of her soul into whatever she's manipulating. But if that's the case, Starfire shouldn't have been able to use her powers at all! After all, Raven's soul wasn't inside her body, and her soul does represent her dark powers,so how could Starfire have access to them? If anything, Raven should have been able to "control" Starfire by using her soul and focusing it on her...

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** Let's start with Starfire. In order to fly, you have to think of something joyful. To use starbolts, you need "righteous fury", and for her superhuman strength, "boundless confidence". It's easy to imagine how confidence and joy could go hand-in-hand, but what about starbolts? Is it even possible to feel righteous fury and joy simultaneously? At any rate, Starfire has flown/used starbolts whilst clearly feeling other emotions as well. A very good example is "Can I keep him?" when she leaves Silky - she's clearly upset and confused, yet she's still able to fly? Now Raven's powers. It's shown that they're very volatile, and can easily go out of control. For the most part, this remains consistent (with the notable exception of "Deep Six"). However, in "Car Trouble" she tells Cyborg that she has to put part of her soul into whatever she's manipulating. But if that's the case, Starfire shouldn't have been able to use her powers at all! After all, Raven's soul wasn't inside her body, and her soul does represent her dark powers,so powers, so how could Starfire have access to them? If anything, Raven should have been able to "control" Starfire by using her soul and focusing it on her...



* If Beast boy can turn into alien animals, and has human (albeit his natural green human form) why doesn't he turn into a sentient alien, say Tamaranian or even more impressivingly a Kryptonian. Is there a rule in his powers he can't turn into sentient species? I know he probably has not met Superman and Supergirl (if they exist in this universe) but at the very least he met many Tamaranians, that would be a very useful transformation, and Starfire could help teach him the ropes.

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* If Beast boy can turn into alien animals, and has human (albeit his natural green human form) why doesn't he turn into a sentient alien, say Tamaranian or even more impressivingly impressively a Kryptonian. Is there a rule in his powers he can't turn into sentient species? I know he probably has not met Superman and Supergirl (if they exist in this universe) but at the very least he met many Tamaranians, that would be a very useful transformation, and Starfire could help teach him the ropes.
21st Apr '18 10:31:46 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Beast Boy's choices in animal forms never cease to bother me. When pure brute strength is the best option in a fight, he almost never chooses an outright gigantic animal. And no matter how often he faces alien, mutated, or otherwise bizarre forms of animals, he never chooses to be anything besides a regular, realistic animal to fight them. This is most {{egregious}} in the episode where he turns into a lycanthrope-esque animal. He turns into a Sasquatch at least TWICE. Clearly, he CAN be animals that aren't real or he hasn't seen, but usually just chooses not to.]]

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[[WMG: Beast Boy's choices in animal forms never cease to bother me. When pure brute strength is the best option in a fight, he almost never chooses an outright gigantic animal. And no matter how often he faces alien, mutated, or otherwise bizarre forms of animals, he never chooses to be anything besides a regular, realistic animal to fight them. This is most {{egregious}} JustForFun/{{egregious}} in the episode where he turns into a lycanthrope-esque animal. He turns into a Sasquatch at least TWICE. Clearly, he CAN be animals that aren't real or he hasn't seen, but usually just chooses not to.]]
26th Feb '18 6:39:36 AM StFan
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** "Forces of Nature" could easily be interpreted as a test for the Titans, and it seems to be after it that Slade decides on Robin as the pick of the litter and focuses on making him his apprentice. Really, the only episode where we know ''nothing'' about what Slade was trying to immediately accomplish was "Divide and Conquer", but he seems to have scrapped whatever that plan was anyway. As for not knowing about his ultimate goals and motivations? Simple- ''he doesn't want us (or anyone) to''. Whatever's really going on in that mind, it's something Slade is playing ''very'' close to the chest. After all, there's a reason he's the god of the HiddenAgendaVillain in the TropePantheon.

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** "Forces of Nature" could easily be interpreted as a test for the Titans, and it seems to be after it that Slade decides on Robin as the pick of the litter and focuses on making him his apprentice. Really, the only episode where we know ''nothing'' about what Slade was trying to immediately accomplish was "Divide and Conquer", but he seems to have scrapped whatever that plan was anyway. As for not knowing about his ultimate goals and motivations? Simple- ''he doesn't want us (or anyone) to''. Whatever's really going on in that mind, it's something Slade is playing ''very'' close to the chest. After all, there's a reason he's the god of the HiddenAgendaVillain in the TropePantheon.Pantheon/TropePantheon.
22nd Jan '18 3:31:40 PM EnchantedSwan
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In The Apprentice Part 2, when the Titans arrived at Slade's hideout to rescue Robin, Slade told Robin to attack the Titans, and when he refused, Slade activated the probes again. Robin responded by getting the probes inside himself as well. As Robin stated: "If I lose my friends, you lose your apprentice, and I know how you hate to lose!" At this point, there were two options: Let the probes kill all the Titans, including Robin. Or stop the controller and remove his only hold over Robin. Either way, he no longer has Robin as an apprentice, so why did Slade choose the latter option? Had he opted for the former, he still would've ultimately won. True, he would have lost an apprentice, but he still could have searched for a new one like Terra. And with the Teen Titans gone, there would've been nothing stopping him from taking over the city. And if Terra never met the Titans, she would have had no friendship bonds with them, and no reason to turn on Slade.

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In The Apprentice Part 2, when the Titans arrived at Slade's hideout to rescue Robin, Slade told Robin to attack the Titans, and when he refused, Slade activated the probes again. Robin responded by getting the probes inside himself as well. As Robin stated: "If I lose my friends, you lose your apprentice, and I know how you hate to lose!" At this point, there were two options: Let the probes kill all the Titans, including Robin. Or stop the controller and remove his only hold over Robin. Either way, he no longer has Robin as an apprentice, so why did Slade choose the latter option? Had he opted for the former, he still would've ultimately won. So why didn't Slade do it?

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True, he would have lost an apprentice, but he still could have searched for a new one like Terra. And with the Teen Titans gone, there would've been nothing stopping him from taking over the city. And if Terra never met the Titans, she would have had no friendship bonds with them, and no reason to turn on Slade.
21st Jan '18 8:30:02 PM EnchantedSwan
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In The Apprentice Part 2, when the Titans arrived at Slade's hideout to rescue Robin, Slade told Robin to attack the Titans, and when he refused, Slade activated the probes again. Robin responded by getting the probes inside himself as well. As Robin stated: "If I lose my friends, you lose your apprentice, and I know how you hate to lose!" At this point, there were two options: Let the probes kill all the Titans, including Robin. Or stop the controller and remove his only hold over Robin. Either way, he no longer has Robin as an apprentice, so why did Slade choose the latter option? Had he opted for the former, he still would've ultimately won. True, he would have lost an apprentice, but he still could have searched for a new one like Terra. And with the Teen Titans gone, there would've been nothing stopping him from taking over the city. And if Terra never met the Titans, she would have no reason to turn on Slade.

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In The Apprentice Part 2, when the Titans arrived at Slade's hideout to rescue Robin, Slade told Robin to attack the Titans, and when he refused, Slade activated the probes again. Robin responded by getting the probes inside himself as well. As Robin stated: "If I lose my friends, you lose your apprentice, and I know how you hate to lose!" At this point, there were two options: Let the probes kill all the Titans, including Robin. Or stop the controller and remove his only hold over Robin. Either way, he no longer has Robin as an apprentice, so why did Slade choose the latter option? Had he opted for the former, he still would've ultimately won. True, he would have lost an apprentice, but he still could have searched for a new one like Terra. And with the Teen Titans gone, there would've been nothing stopping him from taking over the city. And if Terra never met the Titans, she would have had no friendship bonds with them, and no reason to turn on Slade.
21st Jan '18 8:28:52 PM EnchantedSwan
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In "Aftershock" during their one on one, why did Robin go down so easy? I have no doubt that Terra could've beaten him, but Robin spent the better part of their fight talking to her. To Robin's knowledge Terra had just killed all his friends, her final chance should've been long gone. Robin should've wanted nothing more than to bring her down.

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In "Aftershock" during their one on one, why did Robin go down so easy? I have no doubt that Terra could've beaten him, but Robin spent the better part of their fight talking to her. To Robin's knowledge Terra had just killed all his friends, her final chance should've been long gone. Robin should've wanted nothing more than to bring her down.down.

[[WMG: Why didn't Slade let the Titans die when he had the chance?]]
In The Apprentice Part 2, when the Titans arrived at Slade's hideout to rescue Robin, Slade told Robin to attack the Titans, and when he refused, Slade activated the probes again. Robin responded by getting the probes inside himself as well. As Robin stated: "If I lose my friends, you lose your apprentice, and I know how you hate to lose!" At this point, there were two options: Let the probes kill all the Titans, including Robin. Or stop the controller and remove his only hold over Robin. Either way, he no longer has Robin as an apprentice, so why did Slade choose the latter option? Had he opted for the former, he still would've ultimately won. True, he would have lost an apprentice, but he still could have searched for a new one like Terra. And with the Teen Titans gone, there would've been nothing stopping him from taking over the city. And if Terra never met the Titans, she would have no reason to turn on Slade.
22nd Dec '17 4:09:21 AM LuckoftheDraw
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In aftershock during their one on one, why did Robin go down so easy? I have no doubt that Terra could've beaten him, but Robin spent the better part of their fight talking to her. To Robin's knowledge Terra had just killed all his friends, her final chance should've been long gone. Robin should've wanted nothing more than to bring her down.

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In aftershock "Aftershock" during their one on one, why did Robin go down so easy? I have no doubt that Terra could've beaten him, but Robin spent the better part of their fight talking to her. To Robin's knowledge Terra had just killed all his friends, her final chance should've been long gone. Robin should've wanted nothing more than to bring her down.
22nd Dec '17 4:07:10 AM LuckoftheDraw
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* Beast Boy did not completely express that it was an accident, in addition, he never gave Starfire a real apology until later on in the episode.



** Trigon's spell is instantaneous, after it activated only the Titans and Slade survived. As for Superman, we don't know what his power level is like in this continuity so we can't really say one way or the other if he could beat Trigon.

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** Trigon's spell is instantaneous, after it activated only the Titans and Slade survived. As for Superman, we don't know what his power level is like in this continuity so we can't really say one way or the other if he could beat Trigon.Trigon.

[[WMG: Why did Robin hold back on Terra.]]
In aftershock during their one on one, why did Robin go down so easy? I have no doubt that Terra could've beaten him, but Robin spent the better part of their fight talking to her. To Robin's knowledge Terra had just killed all his friends, her final chance should've been long gone. Robin should've wanted nothing more than to bring her down.
24th Sep '17 4:48:22 AM Neechan
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* What happened to Jinx, Gizmo, and Mammoth during the Brother Blood arc? They escape with him in "Deception", apparently still under his mind-control, but are nowhere to be found in "Wavelength" or "Titans East"? None of them seem like they could escape on their own, or would particularly want to, so why did he stop using them? At that point VillainDecay hadn't set in for him or them, so why would Blood get rid of a badass when given proper direction QuirkyMinibossSquad?

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* [[WMG: What happened to Jinx, Gizmo, and Mammoth during the Brother Blood arc? They escape with him in "Deception", apparently still under his mind-control, but are nowhere to be found in "Wavelength" or "Titans East"? None of them seem like they could escape on their own, or would particularly want to, so why did he stop using them? At that point VillainDecay hadn't set in for him or them, so why would Blood get rid of a badass when given proper direction QuirkyMinibossSquad?
QuirkyMinibossSquad?]]
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