History Headscratchers / TeenTitans

11th Feb '17 9:47:28 AM StormC
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WHERE THE HELL WERE THE JUSTICE LEAGUE WHEN TRIGON NEARLY DESTROYED THE PLANET?!?! Superman alone should be enough for Trigon!

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WHERE THE HELL WERE THE JUSTICE LEAGUE WHEN TRIGON NEARLY DESTROYED THE PLANET?!?! Superman alone should be enough for Trigon!Trigon!
** Trigon's spell is instantaneous, after it activated only the Titans and Slade survived. As for Superman, we don't know what his power level is like in this continuity so we can't really say one way or the other if he could beat Trigon.
8th Feb '17 9:35:46 AM Youtubenut
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I can understand Starfire's anger at Beast Boy's prank, but what Beast Boy did to Starfire was a complete ACCIDENT. He was targeting Cyborg and he was completely shocked when he found out that it was Starfire walking in the hallway.

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I can understand Starfire's anger at Beast Boy's prank, but what Beast Boy did to Starfire was a complete ACCIDENT. He was targeting Cyborg and he was completely shocked when he found out that it was Starfire walking in the hallway.hallway.

[[WMG: About the "The End" finale...]]

WHERE THE HELL WERE THE JUSTICE LEAGUE WHEN TRIGON NEARLY DESTROYED THE PLANET?!?! Superman alone should be enough for Trigon!
31st Dec '16 10:15:04 AM nombretomado
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** He has no trouble thinking even when morphed into a species that doesn't have room for his brain. Perhaps it's like {{Animorphs}}, and his animal forms have minds of their own. Turning into a sentient species would mean that either he can never turn back, or he has to commit murder.

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** He has no trouble thinking even when morphed into a species that doesn't have room for his brain. Perhaps it's like {{Animorphs}}, Literature/{{Animorphs}}, and his animal forms have minds of their own. Turning into a sentient species would mean that either he can never turn back, or he has to commit murder.
30th Dec '16 4:34:53 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Okay, does this show take place in the {{DCAU}} or what? Why hasn't this ever been {{Jossed}} or confirmed by the {{Word Of God}}?]]
* Confirmed to not be part of the {{DCAU}}. it stands by itself.
* There's never been the slightest reason to assume it was part of the {{DCAU}} aside from wishful thinking. The two settings simply don't match up.

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[[WMG: Okay, does this show take place in the {{DCAU}} Franchise/{{DCAU}} or what? Why hasn't this ever been {{Jossed}} or confirmed by the {{Word Of God}}?]]
WordOfGod?]]
* Confirmed to not be part of the {{DCAU}}. it DCAU. It stands by itself.
* There's never been the slightest reason to assume it was part of the {{DCAU}} DCAU aside from wishful thinking. The two settings simply don't match up.
7th Nov '16 3:50:03 PM dlchen145
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He's presented as a balding, chubby, apparently homeless middle-aged man. Okay, that is ''damn'' harsh! And after giving it some thought, I realized, even if he's going to go bald (which they made a pretty big deal out of, even using it as the closing punchline), that's no reason for him to not be a {{badass}} hero. Imagine BB with his head shaved rather than a Danny Devito ring of hair, in perfect shape, trained in martial arts and perhaps sporting a Buddhist monk theme to emphasize his oneness with nature. And imagine him fully mastering his abilities, so that he can change between countless forms in the blink of an eye during a fight: punching as a gorilla, dodging as a hummingbird, pouncing as a tiger and then changing back into a spinning jump-kick as a human, all within a few seconds. We see hints of that sort of combat potential in the show, but it's a shame that, when we could have seen the Titans all grown up, we instead got an aesop about how worthless they are without Starfire as the heart of the team. Cyborg and Raven got that treatment too, but they get enough crowning moments on their own that the impact's a little lessened... and the aesop didn't apply to Robin at all, who ''still'' got to be badass future hero Nightwing even while his fellow Titans were homeless, insane and rusting apart.

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He's presented as a balding, chubby, apparently homeless middle-aged man. Okay, that is ''damn'' harsh! And after giving it some thought, I realized, even if he's going to go bald (which they made a pretty big deal out of, even using it as the closing punchline), that's no reason for him to not be a {{badass}} badass hero. Imagine BB with his head shaved rather than a Danny Devito ring of hair, in perfect shape, trained in martial arts and perhaps sporting a Buddhist monk theme to emphasize his oneness with nature. And imagine him fully mastering his abilities, so that he can change between countless forms in the blink of an eye during a fight: punching as a gorilla, dodging as a hummingbird, pouncing as a tiger and then changing back into a spinning jump-kick as a human, all within a few seconds. We see hints of that sort of combat potential in the show, but it's a shame that, when we could have seen the Titans all grown up, we instead got an aesop about how worthless they are without Starfire as the heart of the team. Cyborg and Raven got that treatment too, but they get enough crowning moments on their own that the impact's a little lessened... and the aesop didn't apply to Robin at all, who ''still'' got to be badass future hero Nightwing even while his fellow Titans were homeless, insane and rusting apart.



* What happened to Jinx, Gizmo, and Mammoth during the Brother Blood arc? They escape with him in "Deception", apparently still under his mind-control, but are nowhere to be found in "Wavelength" or "Titans East"? None of them seem like they could escape on their own, or would particularly want to, so why did he stop using them? At that point VillainDecay hadn't set in for him or them, so why would Blood get rid of a {{Badass}} when given proper direction QuirkyMinibossSquad?

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* What happened to Jinx, Gizmo, and Mammoth during the Brother Blood arc? They escape with him in "Deception", apparently still under his mind-control, but are nowhere to be found in "Wavelength" or "Titans East"? None of them seem like they could escape on their own, or would particularly want to, so why did he stop using them? At that point VillainDecay hadn't set in for him or them, so why would Blood get rid of a {{Badass}} badass when given proper direction QuirkyMinibossSquad?
29th Oct '16 6:24:37 PM nombretomado
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** The bigger question is how Terra could be sure she killed them all, but not kill any of them. Maybe I'm reading too much HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality, but I expect the characters' beliefs to be fairly well-calibrated. If they're 99% sure of something, they might not be right 99% of the time. They are human, after all. But they should be right at least 90% of the time. Instead, it looks like Terra was right about 9% of the time. (Yes, I got 9% from being right zero times out of five. I was using the Jeffreys prior.)

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** The bigger question is how Terra could be sure she killed them all, but not kill any of them. Maybe I'm reading too much HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality, ''Fanfic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'', but I expect the characters' beliefs to be fairly well-calibrated. If they're 99% sure of something, they might not be right 99% of the time. They are human, after all. But they should be right at least 90% of the time. Instead, it looks like Terra was right about 9% of the time. (Yes, I got 9% from being right zero times out of five. I was using the Jeffreys prior.)
5th Oct '16 5:37:27 AM MsCC93
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* Plasmus just comes off as LethallyStupid. If he was just to roam free, he would (unintentionally) hurt people. So he has to be stopped.



* While they may be superheroes, they're still teenagers and thus prone to irrational jealously.

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* While they may be superheroes, they're still teenagers and thus prone to irrational jealously.jealously.
** Also, the jealousy must have been added for humor.

[[WMG: Why did Starfire ignore Beastboy throughout the episode "Forces of Nature"]]

I can understand Starfire's anger at Beast Boy's prank, but what Beast Boy did to Starfire was a complete ACCIDENT. He was targeting Cyborg and he was completely shocked when he found out that it was Starfire walking in the hallway.
3rd Oct '16 1:19:02 PM loracarol
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** Let's start with Starfire. In order to fly, you have to think of something joyful. To use starbolts, you need "righteous fury", and for her superhuman strength, "boundless confidence". It's easy to imagine how confidence and joy could go hand-in-hand, but what about starbolts? Is it even possible to feel righteous fury and joy simultaneously? At any rate, Starfire has flown/used starbolts whilst clearly feeling other emotions as well. A very good example is "Can I keep him?" when she leaves Silky - she's clearly upset and confused, yet she's still able to fly?\\ Now Raven's powers. It's shown that they're very volatile, and can easily go out of control. For the most part, this remains consistent (with the notable exception of "Deep Six"). However, in "Car Trouble" she tells Cyborg that she has to put part of her soul into whatever she's manipulating. But if that's the case, Starfire shouldn't have been able to use her powers at all! After all, Raven's soul wasn't inside her body, and her soul does represent her dark powers,so how could Starfire have access to them? If anything, Raven should have been able to "control" Starfire by using her soul and focusing it on her...

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** Let's start with Starfire. In order to fly, you have to think of something joyful. To use starbolts, you need "righteous fury", and for her superhuman strength, "boundless confidence". It's easy to imagine how confidence and joy could go hand-in-hand, but what about starbolts? Is it even possible to feel righteous fury and joy simultaneously? At any rate, Starfire has flown/used starbolts whilst clearly feeling other emotions as well. A very good example is "Can I keep him?" when she leaves Silky - she's clearly upset and confused, yet she's still able to fly?\\ fly? Now Raven's powers. It's shown that they're very volatile, and can easily go out of control. For the most part, this remains consistent (with the notable exception of "Deep Six"). However, in "Car Trouble" she tells Cyborg that she has to put part of her soul into whatever she's manipulating. But if that's the case, Starfire shouldn't have been able to use her powers at all! After all, Raven's soul wasn't inside her body, and her soul does represent her dark powers,so how could Starfire have access to them? If anything, Raven should have been able to "control" Starfire by using her soul and focusing it on her...



*** As another thought, Raven and Starfire were born with these powers. Trying to explain how they use their powers was probably like trying to explain how to walk or blink. Starfire probably doesn't have to focus to much on feeling things. They're probably just built in mental tigers like raising your arm for a normal person. Raven's powers are mostly mystic in nature supplemented by her demonic heritage. I think we can safely say AWizardDidIt in her case. The "a piece of my soul," is most likely just a way for her to visualize what she's doing.

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*** As another thought, Raven and Starfire were born with these powers. Trying to explain how they use their powers was probably like trying to explain how to walk or blink. Starfire probably doesn't have to focus to much on feeling things. They're probably just built in mental tigers mentally like raising your arm for a normal person. Raven's powers are mostly mystic in nature supplemented by her demonic heritage. I think we can safely say AWizardDidIt in her case. The "a piece of my soul," is most likely just a way for her to visualize what she's doing.
3rd Oct '16 1:15:17 PM loracarol
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* A bit of FridgeLogic bothered me, I.E. if the Mad Mod the Titan's deal with in his debut is an illusion created by the ''real Mod'', then ''How'' did he smack Cyborg?

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[[WMG:
A bit of FridgeLogic bothered me, I.E. if the Mad Mod the Titan's deal with in his debut is an illusion created by the ''real Mod'', then ''How'' did he smack Cyborg? Cyborg?]]
3rd Oct '16 1:13:49 PM loracarol
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** I think there's an explanation too. When they first created the H.I.V.E F.I.V.E there really were only five of them (Jinx, Gizmo,Mammoth,Private Hive, and See-more)but they changed members which resulted in there being six, but by then they have already been calling themselves HIVE FIVE. The reason Kid Flash ask is to point out that there are six of them and to further drive his point that Jinx does not belong. Once she leaves there really are only five members left. Kid Flash just had the insight to realize that even in name Jinx didn't belong on the team, or at least that's what I think.

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** I think there's an explanation too. Alternatively... When they first created the H.I.V.E F.I.V.E [=HIVE FIVE=] there really were ''were'' only five of them (Jinx, Gizmo,Mammoth,Private Gizmo, Mammoth, Private Hive, and See-more)but See-more) but, over time, they changed members which resulted in there being six, but by six. By then they have already been calling themselves HIVE FIVE. [=HIVE FIVE=]. The reason Kid Flash ask asks is to point out that there are ''are'' six of them them, and to further drive his point that Jinx does not belong. Once she leaves there really are only five members left. Kid Flash just had the insight to realize that that, even in name name, Jinx didn't belong on the team, or at least that's what I think.team,
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