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* This is retroactively explained in the series: Gothel was once a disciple of an ancient scientist who discovered and researched the legends of both the Sundrop Flower and its counterpart, the Moonstone Opal, and wrote down the incantations for both of them.
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** Or, failing these, the other primary pre-indoor plumbing method; find convenient window (ideally not one used for entering and exiting), hoist up skirt, stick bare bum out window, let whatever may come. It's not like they need to worry about potentially hitting someone underneath.
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** Or, failing these, the other primary pre-indoor plumbing method; find convenient window (ideally not one used for entering and exiting), hoist up skirt, stick bare bum out window, hold on to window ledge, let whatever may come. It's Not ideal, perhaps, but it does what's needed and it's not like they need to worry about potentially hitting someone underneath.
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** Or, failing these, the other primary pre-indoor plumbing method; find convenient window (ideally not one used for entering and exiting), hoist up skirt, stick bare bum out window, let whatever may come. It's not like they need to worry about potentially hitting someone underneath.
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** Or, failing these, the other primary pre-indoor plumbing method; find convenient window (ideally not one used for entering and exiting), hoist up skirt, stick bum out window, let whatever may come. It's not like they need to worry about potentially hitting someone underneath.
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** ''Tangled: the Series'' also adds the complicating factor of [[spoiler: Gothel's pregnancy with Cassandra while still dependant on the flower, which at the aforementioned rate of rapid aging would have resulted in her routinely aging past menopause while carrying a fetus.]] It's all sorts of inconsistent.
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### Flynn saw how happy Rapunzel was at being outside, at seeing all the sights, and being with all the people. However Rapunzel then promised to give all of that away to save him. If you see Rapunzel as a flower, her whole life she's survived in this tower -- then she went outside and really grew and er.. [[IncrediblyLamePun Blossomed]]. Now Rapunzel's volunteering to stay locked away again? He probably meant it metaphorically -- she wouldn't literally die, just metaphorically.
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### Flynn saw how happy Rapunzel was at being outside, at seeing all the sights, and being with all the people. However However, Rapunzel then promised to give all of that away to save him. If you see Rapunzel as a flower, her whole life she's survived in this tower -- then she went outside and really grew and er.. [[IncrediblyLamePun er... [[{{Pun}} Blossomed]]. Now Rapunzel's volunteering to stay locked away again? He probably meant it metaphorically -- she wouldn't literally die, just metaphorically.
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* How did Rapunzel know her actual birthday, anyway? It makes sense that Mother Gothel probably celebrated her own birthday, leading Rapunzel to ask when ''hers'' was, but are we supposed to believe that Mother Gothel not only knew what it was, but would bother to present it accurately, as opposed to just being like "Oh, it's [insert first day she can think of]"?
** It's possible that she couldn't think of any other day, and simply decided that it was easier for her to claim it was on the same day of the lanterns.
* Did Gothel ever teach Rapunzel about the birds and the bees, or explain what puberty or menstruation were?
** The latter, at least, would've needed an explanation of ''some'' sort. Rapunzel is 18, after all.
** Rapunzel probably got the facts of life from a book. After all she loves to read (specifically to learn, as we see), and the three books we see in the movie can't be her first books; if she has one on "Botany" now, as shown, she probably had one on basic Biology before which at least covered the basics.
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* How did Rapunzel know her actual birthday, anyway? It makes sense that Mother Gothel probably celebrated her own birthday, leading Rapunzel to ask when ''hers'' was, but are we supposed to believe that Mother Gothel not only knew what it was, but would bother to present it accurately, as opposed to just being like "Oh, it's [insert first day she can think of]"?
** It's possible that she couldn't think of any other day, and simply decided that it was easier for her to claim it was on the same day of the lanterns.
* Did Gothel ever teach Rapunzel about the birds and the bees, or explain what puberty or menstruation were?
** The latter, at least, would've needed an explanation of ''some'' sort. Rapunzel is 18, after all.
** Rapunzel probably got the facts of life from a book. After all she loves to read (specifically to learn, as we see), and the three books we see in the movie can't be her first books; if she has one on "Botany" now, as shown, she probably had one on basic Biology before which at least covered the basics.
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** Even if Hell doesn't exist or Gothel doesn't believe in it, fear of death and/or aging is a fairly common thing. One day Gothel looks in the mirror, sees a crinkle at the corner of her mouth, and panics because "I'll be ''bedridden'' before you know it!"
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* In ''Tangled Ever After'', why did the Stabbington brothers - who almost got Eugene killed and tried to kidnap and sell Rapunzel - get an invite to the wedding? It's like [[Film/BackToTheFuture George McFly having his car waxed by the guy who once tried to rape his wife]].
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* In ''Tangled Ever After'', why did the Stabbington brothers - who almost got Eugene killed and tried to kidnap and sell Rapunzel - get an invite to the wedding? It's like [[Film/BackToTheFuture [[Film/BackToTheFuture1 George McFly having his car waxed by the guy who once tried to rape his wife]].
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*** Honestly, this whole "agency" argument seems kind of silly. If "respecting someone's agency" requires standing by passively as they agree to a life of indefinite downtrodden indentured servitude to a narcissistic monster who only values them for their hair, then that's not really any form of respect worthy of the name.
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*** Honestly, this whole "agency" argument seems kind of silly. If "respecting someone's agency" requires standing by passively as they agree to a life of indefinite downtrodden indentured servitude to a narcissistic monster who only values them for their hair, then that's not really any form of respect worthy of the name. Generally speaking, preventing harm or abuse from being inflicted upon someone may require overruling their individual autonomy; most reasonable people would agree that, outside of a handful of possible and usually rare exceptions, if a person is allowing themselves to be harmed, mistreated or abused, then it becomes acceptable to overrule their individual agency and intervene in some way to help them regardless of what they say they want. (This is why, for example, the state will act to remove abused children from a toxic family environment even if they say they want to remain there.)
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** A witch is someone who knows how to cast magic spells, and Gothel does: by singing a specific song while touching a certain flower, they can heal injuries and reverse the aging process. It's just this seems to be the ''only'' spell Gothel knows, making them a rather highly-specialized witch.
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* How long does the effects of the hair actually work? At the beginning of the movie, Gothel tells Rapunzel she is feeling "run down" and uses the hair to make herself slightly younger. But in order for her to have aged, she wold have had to have not been using the hair for at least a few years. Either Gothel only uses the hair once she has aged into being an old woman, or the effects don't last long at all and she has to re-up every day. Right?
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** I don't know why he tried to capture Rapunzel almost biting her hair with agression. He must likely recognize her scent when he's chasing Eugene, by sniffing where she stepped. Was only when she mentioned her birthday to him to stop his ScarilyCompetentTracker tendences.
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** Having Rapunzel herself do the singing gives her an illusion of freedom and control in the manner. Gothel doesn't want Rapunzel to feel like she's being forced to do this.
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* Why Maximus, the horse with a bloodhound-like sense of smell didn't recognizes Rapunzel as the lost princess? As basically a member from the elite guards, he must be familiarized with her parents' scent. So, why he didn't recognizes Rapunzel's scent when he meet her? Even before that, he is seeing sniffing the ground, after Eugene free Rapunzel and goes with her around. As he is more competent than the guards themselves, I'm surprised that he doesn't even suspect Rapunzel is the lost princess.
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* Why Maximus, the horse with a bloodhound-like sense of smell didn't recognizes Rapunzel as the lost princess? As basically a member from the elite guards, he must be familiarized with her parents's parents' scent. So, why he didn't recognizes Rapunzel's scent when he meet her? Even before that, he is seeing sniffing the ground, after Eugene free Rapunzel and goes with her around. As he is more competent than the guards themsleves, themselves, I'm surprised that he doesn't even suspect Rapunzel is the lost princess.
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***I figured they took it as a rumor there there was ''something'' but not necessarily the flower itself, until Gothel, in her haste, revealed where it was.
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**To answer a point, 1) the hair that's one your head are dead cells, however, the hair follicles are still alive and 2), Rapunzel could theoretically live longer, however, we don't see her using her hair's abilities on herself, though there isn't anything to suggest that she won't age a bit slower.
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***The same reason why Gothel initially lost the flower: ''Hubris''.
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**''Tangled: The series'' addresses this. Gothel is shown to be sorceress, who studied under Zhan Tiri.
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***Common chameleons (which is what Pascal seems to be) do exist in Europe, though mostly around the Mediterranean. Since we don't know exactly where Corona is in Europe, they could be somewhere near where these little dudes are found.
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** Gothel knew what the words to activate the flower's abilities were because it's a NecessaryWeasel for the story to function. We would hardly have a very entertaining tale on our hands if it went [[OverlyLongGag "Once upon a time, a drop of the sun landed on the earth and from it grew a flower that could grant eternal youth... but no one ever used it because they couldn't figure out how it worked and that there was a song it needed, so it just sat there forever... The End."]] There's a song, Gothel has somehow figured out what the song is (because she may or may not be in tune with magic-y stuff or she may have just spent a lot of time singing to it), that's all we need to know.
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** If Rapunzel was kidnapped as soon after her birth as the series suggests, then it's extremely unlikely that the ''artist'' who created the mosaic would've seen her in the flesh as a baby, anyway. All they could really be sure of getting right would be the blonde hair and eyes the same color as her mother's.
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** Could be there's a garderobe built into a nook in the wall of Rapunzel's room, that she keeps covered by a wall hanging or panel to control odors.
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** The healing power of the plant was concentrated in its blossom, which is a plant's reproductive part. That it would concentrate in the womb of the Queen is a justifiable extension of this. Chalk it up to "life-giving" symbolism playing out.
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** Note that we only see the ''blossom'' used as part of the Queen's medicine. Could be the rest of the plant survived for some time afterwards in the Royal Gardens, but simply never produced anything but normal flowers again, same as Rapunzel only grew ordinary brown hair after ''she'' was "trimmed".
