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* If million catalysts are made, doesn't humanity technically speaking failed the trial? Even if Julius was healed, unless Origin decides to be lenient to Bisley like what he did Elle's ending, humanity is doomed.
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* I believe Bisley wanted to have all the spirits be stripped of their freewill and become pretty much become tools of humanity that simply keep the world going instead of treating them like living beings who have their own will, emotions and thoughts, not getting rid of them in general.

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* I believe Bisley wanted to have all the spirits be stripped of their freewill and become pretty much become tools of humanity that simply keep the world going instead of treating them like living beings who have their own will, emotions and thoughts, not getting rid of them in general.general.

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* The Fractured and Prime dimension version of the same cannot exist in the prime dimension, okay. But does this honestly work for Alt Milla [[spoiler: and Victor]]? Considering Alt Milla is ''vastly'' different from Prime Milla in that her personality and way of growing up are nothing alike and that Alt Milla has lost her position as Lord of Spirits, would she still count as the same 'Milla' in the prime dimension? [[spoiler: Milla herself didn't disappear because Alt Milla appeared, after all; she was shoved into the dimensional abyss by Chronos, apparently.]] The same goes for [[spoiler: Victor]]. [[spoiler: He is an older version of Ludger, with a different Chromatus and further advanced.]] Doesn't this mean that [[spoiler: Alt Milla sacrificing herself to bring Prime Milla back turned it into a StupidSacrifice]]? [[spoiler: And made Victor's plan pointless and unnecessary, since he would not have disappeared from the prime dimension, because he is so different from that Ludger?]]

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* Exactly why is it considered such a Bad Ending? Certainly, [[spoiler: Ludger just killed the Xillia party, which included the Prime Minister and King of Rieze Maxia, as well as freaking Lord of Spirits Milla Maxwell, too. That will have consequences, of course. And Julius is still afflicted with turning into a crystal, but Bisley is in Canaan and has someone, who will become the millionth crystal with him. And he said that, after a wish is fulfilled, all crystal transformations stop. Sure, Bisley will wish for a world with no spirits, but this could put Rieze Maxians and Elympions onto the same page finally - Elympions cannot use spirit artes, but neither can the Rieze Maxians. It could certainly lead to both countries getting together and finally figuring out a way how to survive in their world, without the reliance on spirits]]. If anything, this feels more like a Bittersweet Ending, with heavy emphasis on the bitter part.

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* Exactly why is it considered such a Bad Ending? Certainly, [[spoiler: Ludger just killed the Xillia party, which included the Prime Minister and King of Rieze Maxia, as well as freaking Lord of Spirits Milla Maxwell, too. That will have consequences, of course. And Julius is still afflicted with turning into a crystal, catalyst, but Bisley is in Canaan and has someone, who will become the millionth crystal catalyst with him. And he said that, after a wish is fulfilled, all crystal transformations stop. Sure, Bisley will wish for a world with no spirits, but this could put Rieze Maxians and Elympions onto the same page finally - Elympions cannot use spirit artes, but neither can the Rieze Maxians. It could certainly lead to both countries getting together and finally figuring out a way how to survive in their world, without the reliance on spirits]]. If anything, this feels more like a Bittersweet Ending, with heavy emphasis on the bitter part.part.
* I believe Bisley wanted to have all the spirits be stripped of their freewill and become pretty much become tools of humanity that simply keep the world going instead of treating them like living beings who have their own will, emotions and thoughts, not getting rid of them in general.
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* If fractured dimensions are not destroyed, eventually, the prime dimension is destroyed. If this comes to pass, would this cause a fractured dimension to become the 'new' prime dimension, meaning the cycle repeats itself? Or would there simply be no prime dimensions? Would the prime dimension's destruction cause all fractured dimensions to cease to exist, too? And can a fractured dimension create another fractured dimension?

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* If fractured dimensions are not destroyed, eventually, the prime dimension is destroyed. If this comes to pass, would this cause a fractured dimension to become the 'new' prime dimension, meaning the cycle repeats itself? Or would there simply be no prime dimensions? Would the prime dimension's destruction cause all fractured dimensions to cease to exist, too? And can a fractured dimension create another fractured dimension?dimension?

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* Exactly why is it considered such a Bad Ending? Certainly, [[spoiler: Ludger just killed the Xillia party, which included the Prime Minister and King of Rieze Maxia, as well as freaking Lord of Spirits Milla Maxwell, too. That will have consequences, of course. And Julius is still afflicted with turning into a crystal, but Bisley is in Canaan and has someone, who will become the millionth crystal with him. And he said that, after a wish is fulfilled, all crystal transformations stop. Sure, Bisley will wish for a world with no spirits, but this could put Rieze Maxians and Elympions onto the same page finally - Elympions cannot use spirit artes, but neither can the Rieze Maxians. It could certainly lead to both countries getting together and finally figuring out a way how to survive in their world, without the reliance on spirits]]. If anything, this feels more like a Bittersweet Ending, with heavy emphasis on the bitter part.
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* If fractured dimensions are not destroyed, eventually, the prime dimension is destroyed. If this comes to pass, would this cause a fractured dimension became the 'new' prime dimension, meaning the cycle repeats itself? Or would there simply be no prime dimensions? Would the prime dimension's destruction cause all fractured dimensions to cease to exist, too? And can a fractured dimension create another fractured dimension?

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* If fractured dimensions are not destroyed, eventually, the prime dimension is destroyed. If this comes to pass, would this cause a fractured dimension became to become the 'new' prime dimension, meaning the cycle repeats itself? Or would there simply be no prime dimensions? Would the prime dimension's destruction cause all fractured dimensions to cease to exist, too? And can a fractured dimension create another fractured dimension?
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* If fractured dimensions are not destroyed, eventually, the prime dimension is destroyed. If this comes to pass, would this cause a fractured dimension became the 'new' prime dimension, meaning the cycle repeats itself? Or would there simply be no prime dimensions? Would the prime dimension's destruction cause all fractured dimensions to cease to exist, too? And can a fractured dimension create another fractured dimension?
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** [[spoiler: Maybe her soul just didn't exist before her conception. Or maybe she'll be incarnated as a different person.]]
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* [[spoiler:Because the Bad Ending shows that Ludger can (and very easily could) go down the same dark path, becoming obsessed with protecting what matters most to him instead of letting go, damn the consequences - he could do the same with Prime!Elle further down the line, just as Victor did, doomed to repeat the cycle.]]

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* [[spoiler:Because the Bad Ending shows that Ludger can (and very easily could) go down the same dark path, becoming obsessed with protecting what matters most to him instead of letting go, damn the consequences - he could do the same with Prime!Elle further down the line, just as Victor did, doomed to repeat the cycle.]]]]

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* [[spoiler: What would happen to the Prime!Elle or the soul that would become eventually become Prime!Elle now that the Elle that was traveling in with the party is residing in the prime dimension?]]
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[[spoiler:How does Ludger meeting Lara Mel Marta again in the prime dimension and marrying her, which would lead to the birth of Elle, exactly lead to the same tragedy that Victor (his alternate counterpart) experienced?

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[[spoiler: How does Ludger meeting Lara Mel Marta again in the prime dimension and marrying her which would lead to the birth of Elle exactly lead to the same tragedy that Victor (his alternate counterpart) experienced?]]

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does Ludger meeting Lara Mel Marta again in the prime dimension and marrying her her, which would lead to the birth of Elle Elle, exactly lead to the same tragedy that Victor (his alternate counterpart) experienced?]]experienced?
* [[spoiler:Because the Bad Ending shows that Ludger can (and very easily could) go down the same dark path, becoming obsessed with protecting what matters most to him instead of letting go, damn the consequences - he could do the same with Prime!Elle further down the line, just as Victor did, doomed to repeat the cycle.]]
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* I'd chalk that up to a quick-and-easy gameplay shortcut - trying to explain it's effects in-story would be difficult at best; exactly how do you make a potion that causes an instant increase in affection in the first place, let alone explain how it works?

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* I'd chalk that up to a quick-and-easy gameplay shortcut - trying to explain it's effects in-story would be difficult at best; exactly how do you make a potion that causes an instant increase in affection in the first place, let alone explain how it works?works?
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Does he just give them to the other party members? Does he cook it in the food he feeds the party member of his choice? Or does he pour it all over himself and go like 'YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE ME.'??

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Does he just give them to the other party members? Does he cook it in the food he feeds the party member of his choice? Or does he pour it all over himself and go like 'YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE ME.'??'??
* I'd chalk that up to a quick-and-easy gameplay shortcut - trying to explain it's effects in-story would be difficult at best; exactly how do you make a potion that causes an instant increase in affection in the first place, let alone explain how it works?
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** Um actually the gold watch is officially supposed to be Ludger's. Julius's official watch is the silver one I believe. Julius's kept Ludger it to increase his power and probably as another measure to prevent Ludger from becoming involved with Origin's trial.

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** Um actually the gold watch is officially supposed to be Ludger's. Julius's official watch is the silver one I believe. Julius's kept Ludger Ludger's it to increase his power and probably as another measure to prevent Ludger from becoming involved with Origin's trial.
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** Um actually the gold watch is officially supposed to be Ludger's. Julius's official watch is the silver one I believe. Julius's kept Ludger it to increase his power and probably as another measure to prevent Ludger from becoming involved with Origin's trial.
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* Another theory is that Victor set his house on Lake Epsilla after killing the party member in which he pretends to set a house there to find the killer there. (and probably take care of Elle at the same time). He might have cover up all evidence against him by killing 'witness' and hide his true identity so no one could suspect him. It is likely that the people who were about to assassinate Victor in the beginning of the game wants to kill him even they don't have proof he done it.

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* Another theory is that Victor set his house on Lake Epsilla after killing the party member in which he pretends to set a house there to find the killer there. (and probably take care of Elle at the same time). He might have cover up all evidence against him by killing 'witness' and hide his true identity so no one could suspect him. It is likely that the people who were about to assassinate Victor in the beginning of the game wants to kill him even they don't have proof he done it.it.

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Does he just give them to the other party members? Does he cook it in the food he feeds the party member of his choice? Or does he pour it all over himself and go like 'YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE ME.'??
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* [[spoiler: And to answer your question about why Ludger says the silver watch is Julius, it's a symbolic thing since it stopped when Julius dies and gives Ludger what he needs to be able to defeat Chronos. Plus at this point, Ludger's probably desperate to cling onto something to deal with his grief.]]
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* I dunno if you actually play the game or only play the Japanese so here's why: [[spoiler: You see Julius is actually turning into a diverge catalyst ( the one that Ludger has to destroy in every fractured dimension) due to overused of his Chromatus power. During the time Ludger kills his brother, both end up in another dimension where Julius created it (assuming he used up his last power for it) so that the prime dimension doesn't get destroyed.]]
* [[spoiler: Now for the watch question. Yes, in the prime dimension the watch ACTUALLY belongs to Julius. Both gold and silver watches . But the gold watch somehow merge with Elle's and. In Episode 7, at first Julius wants the watch back but wasn't sure if Elle's telling the truth but he's convinces when Elle somewhat accidentally brought back the Alt! Milla to the prime dimension. This also hinted that Ludger is NOT using his Chromatus power by using Elle's watch, it's actually Elle's power who's giving the Chromatus power to Ludger.]]

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* I dunno if you actually play played the game or only play played the Japanese so here's why: [[spoiler: You see Julius is actually turning into a diverge divergence catalyst ( the (The one that Ludger has to destroy in every fractured dimension) due to overused overuse of his Chromatus power. During the time When Ludger kills his brother, both end up in another dimension where that Julius created it (assuming he used up his last power for it) so that the prime dimension doesn't get destroyed.]]
* [[spoiler: Now for the watch question. Yes, in the prime dimension the watch ACTUALLY belongs to Julius. Both gold and silver watches . watches. But the gold watch somehow merge merges with Elle's and. Elle's. In Episode Chapter 7, at first Julius wants the watch back but wasn't sure if Elle's telling the truth but he's convinces convinced when Elle somewhat accidentally brought back the Alt! Milla to the prime dimension. This also hinted that Ludger is NOT using his Chromatus power by using Elle's watch, it's actually Elle's power who's that's giving the Chromatus power to Ludger.]]
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* You really need to talk to the NPC's in that timeline. [[spoiler:Gaius's body is in terrible shape by that time and it's implied that Full Chromatus Victor did it when he did in the other five]]. Also considering how powerful Spirius is, its enough to muddle the case at least.

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* You really need to talk to the NPC's in that timeline. [[spoiler:Gaius's body is in terrible shape by that time and it's implied that Full Chromatus Victor did it when he did in killed the other five]]. five, which would make identifying him pretty tough]]. Also considering how powerful Spirius is, its it's enough to muddle the case at least.

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* You really need to talk to the NPC's in that timeline. [[spoiler:Gaius's body is in terrible shape by that time and it's implied that Full Chromatus Ludger did it when he did in the other five]]. Also considering how powerful Spirius is, its enough to muddle the case at least.

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* You really need to talk to the NPC's in that timeline. [[spoiler:Gaius's body is in terrible shape by that time and it's implied that Full Chromatus Ludger Victor did it when he did in the other five]]. Also considering how powerful Spirius is, its enough to muddle the case at least.least.
* Another theory is that Victor set his house on Lake Epsilla after killing the party member in which he pretends to set a house there to find the killer there. (and probably take care of Elle at the same time). He might have cover up all evidence against him by killing 'witness' and hide his true identity so no one could suspect him. It is likely that the people who were about to assassinate Victor in the beginning of the game wants to kill him even they don't have proof he done it.
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* You really need to talk to the NPC's in that timeline. [[spoilers:Gaius's body is in terrible shape by that time and it's implied that Full Chromatus Ludger did it when he did in the other five]]. Also considering how powerful Spirius is, its enough to muddle the case at least.

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* You really need to talk to the NPC's in that timeline. [[spoilers:Gaius's [[spoiler:Gaius's body is in terrible shape by that time and it's implied that Full Chromatus Ludger did it when he did in the other five]]. Also considering how powerful Spirius is, its enough to muddle the case at least.
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Willingly living at the murder site [[spoiler:of most of the original party]] would seem suspicious to anyone with common sense. Also, some of the people killed were very famous, like [[spoiler:the prime minister of Rieze Maxia and the leading Spyrite researcher]]. It's highly doubtful that people in the government like [[spoiler:Gaius]] would let him off that easily once they get that seed of suspicion. Even if he took over as CEO of Spirius, his connections might not be enough to get the Rieze Maxian government off his tail.

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Willingly living at the murder site [[spoiler:of most of the original party]] would seem suspicious to anyone with common sense. Also, some of the people killed were very famous, like [[spoiler:the prime minister of Rieze Maxia and the leading Spyrite researcher]]. It's highly doubtful that people in the government like [[spoiler:Gaius]] would let him off that easily once they get that seed of suspicion. Even if he took over as CEO of Spirius, his connections might not be enough to get the Rieze Maxian government off his tail.tail.
* You really need to talk to the NPC's in that timeline. [[spoilers:Gaius's body is in terrible shape by that time and it's implied that Full Chromatus Ludger did it when he did in the other five]]. Also considering how powerful Spirius is, its enough to muddle the case at least.
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* Willingly living at the murder site [[spoiler:of most of the original party]] would seem suspicious to anyone with common sense. Also, some of the people killed were very famous, like [[spoiler:the prime minister of Rieze Maxia and the leading Spyrite researcher]]. It's highly doubtful that people in the government like [[spoiler:Gaius]] would let him off that easily once they get that seed of suspicion. Even if he took over as CEO of Spirius, his connections might not be enough to get the Rieze Maxian government off his tail.

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* Willingly living at the murder site [[spoiler:of most of the original party]] would seem suspicious to anyone with common sense. Also, some of the people killed were very famous, like [[spoiler:the prime minister of Rieze Maxia and the leading Spyrite researcher]]. It's highly doubtful that people in the government like [[spoiler:Gaius]] would let him off that easily once they get that seed of suspicion. Even if he took over as CEO of Spirius, his connections might not be enough to get the Rieze Maxian government off his tail.
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* [[spoiler: Now for the watch question. Yes, in the prime dimension the watch ACTUALLY belongs to Julius. Both gold and silver watches . But the gold watch somehow merge with Elle's and. In Episode 7, at first Julius wants the watch back but wasn't sure if Elle's telling the truth but he's convinces when Elle somewhat accidentally brought back the Alt! Milla to the prime dimension. This also hinted that Ludger is NOT using his Chromatus power by using Elle's watch, it's actually Elle's power who's giving the Chromatus power to Ludger.]]

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* [[spoiler: Now for the watch question. Yes, in the prime dimension the watch ACTUALLY belongs to Julius. Both gold and silver watches . But the gold watch somehow merge with Elle's and. In Episode 7, at first Julius wants the watch back but wasn't sure if Elle's telling the truth but he's convinces when Elle somewhat accidentally brought back the Alt! Milla to the prime dimension. This also hinted that Ludger is NOT using his Chromatus power by using Elle's watch, it's actually Elle's power who's giving the Chromatus power to Ludger.]]]]

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* Willingly living at the murder site [[spoiler:of most of the original party]] would seem suspicious to anyone with common sense. Also, some of the people killed were very famous, like [[spoiler:the prime minister of Rieze Maxia and the leading Spyrite researcher]]. It's highly doubtful that people in the government like [[spoiler:Gaius]] would let him off that easily once they get that seed of suspicion. Even if he took over as CEO of Spirius, his connections might not be enough to get the Rieze Maxian government off his tail.
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** Just a brief notice on what you're saying since I am not sure if you did play the entire game or play the Japanese. [[spoiler: You see since Julius has already overuse his power he is going to transform into a diverge catalyst, the one that Ludger is destroying. During the time Ludger kills his brother, both end up in another dimension where Julius created it (assuming he used up his last power for it) so that the prime dimension doesn't get destroyed.]]
** [[spoiler: Now for the watch question. Yes, in the prime dimension the watch ACTUALLY belongs to Julius. Both gold and silver. But the gold watch somehow merge with Elle's and all this time Ludger isn't using the watches power but Elle's.]]

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** Just a brief notice on what you're saying since * I am not sure dunno if you did actually play the entire game or only play the Japanese. Japanese so here's why: [[spoiler: You see since Julius has already overuse his power he is going to transform actually turning into a diverge catalyst, catalyst ( the one that Ludger is destroying.has to destroy in every fractured dimension) due to overused of his Chromatus power. During the time Ludger kills his brother, both end up in another dimension where Julius created it (assuming he used up his last power for it) so that the prime dimension doesn't get destroyed.]]
** * [[spoiler: Now for the watch question. Yes, in the prime dimension the watch ACTUALLY belongs to Julius. Both gold and silver. silver watches . But the gold watch somehow merge with Elle's and all this time and. In Episode 7, at first Julius wants the watch back but wasn't sure if Elle's telling the truth but he's convinces when Elle somewhat accidentally brought back the Alt! Milla to the prime dimension. This also hinted that Ludger isn't is NOT using the watches his Chromatus power but Elle's.by using Elle's watch, it's actually Elle's power who's giving the Chromatus power to Ludger.]]
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Late in the game, Ludger has to [[spoiler:kill Julius]]. He does so but this somehow winds up sending him to an alternate dimension where he meets what I assume is Julius' alternate self [[spoiler:and kills him as well]]. So... does this mean that he was from an alternate dimension all along? And why does Ludger comment that his pocket watch ''is'' Julius in a skit following it all? Nothing in this scene makes any kind of sense to me...

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Late in the game, Ludger has to [[spoiler:kill Julius]]. He does so but this somehow winds up sending him to an alternate dimension where he meets what I assume is Julius' alternate self [[spoiler:and kills him as well]]. So... does this mean that he was from an alternate dimension all along? And why does Ludger comment that his pocket watch ''is'' Julius in a skit following it all? Nothing in this scene makes any kind of sense to me...me...
**Just a brief notice on what you're saying since I am not sure if you did play the entire game or play the Japanese. [[spoiler: You see since Julius has already overuse his power he is going to transform into a diverge catalyst, the one that Ludger is destroying. During the time Ludger kills his brother, both end up in another dimension where Julius created it (assuming he used up his last power for it) so that the prime dimension doesn't get destroyed.]]
** [[spoiler: Now for the watch question. Yes, in the prime dimension the watch ACTUALLY belongs to Julius. Both gold and silver. But the gold watch somehow merge with Elle's and all this time Ludger isn't using the watches power but Elle's.]]
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[[WMG: What's the deal with [[spoiler:Julius]]? Is he from an alternate dimension?]]
Late in the game, Ludger has to [[spoiler:kill Julius]]. He does so but this somehow winds up sending him to an alternate dimension where he meets what I assume is his alternate self [[spoiler:and kills him as well]]. So... does this mean that he was from an alternate dimension all along? And why does Ludger comment that his pocket watch [[spoiler:''is'' Julius]] in a skit following it all? Nothing in this scene makes any kind of sense to me...

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Late in the game, Ludger has to [[spoiler:kill Julius]]. He does so but this somehow winds up sending him to an alternate dimension where he meets what I assume is his Julius' alternate self [[spoiler:and kills him as well]]. So... does this mean that he was from an alternate dimension all along? And why does Ludger comment that his pocket watch [[spoiler:''is'' Julius]] ''is'' Julius in a skit following it all? Nothing in this scene makes any kind of sense to me...
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[[WMG: What's the deal with [[spoiler:Julius]]? Is he from an alternate dimension?]]
Late in the game, Ludger has to [[spoiler:kill Julius]]. He does so but this somehow winds up sending him to an alternate dimension where he meets what I assume is his alternate self [[spoiler:and kills him as well]]. So... does this mean that he was from an alternate dimension all along? And why does Ludger comment that his pocket watch [[spoiler:''is'' Julius]] in a skit following it all? Nothing in this scene makes any kind of sense to me...

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