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16th May '13 9:35:00 AM SomeNewGuy

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14th Apr '13 5:18:39 PM sparrowspera2

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* It's stated outright that performing fomicry on living things is illegal, which implies that replicating inorganic, inanimate objects is fine. Whouldn't this have some effect on the economy? There's an entire city run by a group of merchants for the purposes of importing things between Kimlasca and Malkuth, and is apparently extremely successful, but how are they still in business when someone could create an unlimited supply of any item just from acquiring one? And why was there so much contention over the mines at Akzeriuth if each country could just take a sample of the minerals and generate as much as they needed from it? The only answer I can think of is that fomicry is prohibitively expensive and uses a lot of seventh fonons, but its shown that replicating inorganic matter is a much simpler process (Like with the doll. Jade could do it with an arte, making it free and possible even without the use of seventh fonons)
** Two possible answers for this. One - the obvious - is that fomicry is altogether illegal, on living things or non-living things. When Jade rampages at the villains because they use fomicry, I don't think he specifies it's only illegal to replicate living creatures. I think he just calls it 'forbidden'. The other explanation, which makes a bit more sense, is that fomicry is simply not well-understood enough to be widely practiced. First of all, it's only been around since Jade was young, so less than thirty years. In that time, it was invented and then either partially or fully outlawed by its own creator because it was so dangerous. If it was outlawed so quickly, it's likely that nobody - besides the few researchers who recognize Jade as the father of fomicry - even knows how to use it. During the game, it's still in development, as the conversations about the Big Bang and whatnot all seem very theoretical, as does the conversation about regular replication and isofons near the beginning of the game (this is even before Akzeriuth, I think, it's in a conversation on a boat somewhere). It's not likely a new technology that was briefly invented and then partially hidden would suddenly spring into widespread economic use. As for the fact that Jade could replicate objects with an arte, this is true, but it's worth remembering that Jade is like the most intelligent person in Auldrant's history or something, and a prodigy with fonic artes. Most people can't even use regular fonic artes with the precision and ease that Jade does, and I'm assuming replication takes a bit more control than even that. In fact, the fact that Jade invented it probably speaks to its complexity. In the two thousand years or so that people have been manipulating the Seventh Fonon - since Professor Southern-Cross at the very earliest - nobody was able to develop replicas, living or otherwise, until Jade came along. Even after he put the pieces together it's unlikely your average Chesedonia merchant would be able to do it, especially when Jade is so reluctant to spread the secrets of fomicry.
* This is literally the stupidest gripe ever, but why, in the ending, does Jade say "we should leave soon. The valley is dangerous at night?" Uh, if he means Tataroo Valley, no it isn't. Luke and Tear got through it on level one no problem...yeah, yeah, GameplayAndStorySegregation, but Jade. Seriously. You could literally - ''literally'' - look at the enemies here and they would explode and die instantly. I think he probably just couldn't handle feelings and wanted to run away but he should have come up with a slightly better excuse.

21st Feb '13 2:28:30 PM DaisyChain

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** I can't answer why Yulia hid the last fonstone or wrote the Score down in the first place, but as for why people followed it anyway despite the ending being missing, you can probably chalk that up to good old fashioned religious zealotry. People have gotten fanatical followers over much less impressive things than accurately predicting the future.
* It's stated outright that performing fomicry on living things is illegal, which implies that replicating inorganic, inanimate objects is fine. Whouldn't this have some effect on the economy? There's an entire city run by a group of merchants for the purposes of importing things between Kimlasca and Malkuth, and is apparently extremely successful, but how are they still in business when someone could create an unlimited supply of any item just from acquiring one? And why was there so much contention over the mines at Akzeriuth if each country could just take a sample of the minerals and generate as much as they needed from it? The only answer I can think of is that fomicry is prohibitively expensive and uses a lot of seventh fonons, but its shown that replicating inorganic matter is a much simpler process (Like with the doll. Jade could do it with an arte, making it free and possible even without the use of seventh fonons)

5th Feb '13 3:21:21 PM sparrowspera2

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*** In part I blame his [[spoiler: MemeticSexGod]] status plus all the [[spoiler: HoYay and FanPreferredCouple stuff]] for this. But do remember that [[spoiler: Zelos]] literally saves the life of [[BigDamnHeroes every single person]] in the party, including Lloyd via PlotTrinket if you make them soulmates, from certain death. He also risks his own life on top of that to get the {{MacGuffin}} needed to save the world, and fully understands he had to go at ''least'' that far to earn his redemption. [[spoiler: Anise's]] display of remorse was certainly heartfelt, but she ''did'' nothing aside from apologize once or twice. Also [[spoiler: Zelos]] doesn't get along with everyone he meets at all, not in the way Anise does. The party abuses [[spoiler: Zelos]] ''[[ButtMonkey constantly]]'' and Sheena even admits this in a skit after [[spoiler: his betrayal and/or death.]] ''And'' there's the fact that [[spoiler: Zelos's]] actions ultimately lead to the party being better off in the end, while [[spoiler: Anise causes Ion's death which leads to nothing but a ''huge'' PlayerPunch.]] They may have started in the same place, but [[spoiler: Zelos worked much, ''much'' harder to redeem himself.]] [[spoiler: Anise]] basically says "Yeah I suck, but it's over now, so I'm coming with you guys, cool?"

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*** In part I blame his [[spoiler: MemeticSexGod]] status plus all the [[spoiler: HoYay and FanPreferredCouple stuff]] for this. But do remember that [[spoiler: Zelos]] literally saves the life of [[BigDamnHeroes every single person]] in the party, including Lloyd via MementoMacGuffin if you make them soulmates, from certain death. He also risks his own life on top of that to get the {{MacGuffin}} needed to save the world, and fully understands he had to go at ''least'' that far to earn his redemption. [[spoiler: Anise's]] display of remorse was certainly heartfelt, but she ''did'' nothing aside from apologize once or twice. Also [[spoiler: Zelos]] doesn't get along with everyone he meets at all, not in the way [[spoiler: Anise]] does. The party abuses [[spoiler: Zelos]] ''[[ButtMonkey constantly]]'' and Sheena even admits this in a skit after [[spoiler: his betrayal and/or death.]] ''And'' there's the fact that [[spoiler: Zelos's]] actions ultimately lead to the party being better off in the end, while [[spoiler: Anise causes Ion's death which leads to nothing but a ''huge'' PlayerPunch.]] They may have started in the same place, but [[spoiler: Zelos worked much, ''much'' harder to redeem himself.]] [[spoiler: Anise]] basically says "Yeah I suck, but it's over now, so I'm coming with you guys, cool?"

5th Feb '13 3:19:09 PM sparrowspera2

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5th Feb '13 2:36:36 PM sparrowspera2

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*** Also worth noting that there's a difference between Luke being a {{Jerkass}} and Luke being a spoiled, self-centered brat. He's a brat back in the manor, but he's friendly to both Guy and Van and while he's whiny to his parents, he's not outwardly cruel. But then he gets hypperresonance'd away from his manor, and he turns into an actual {{Jerkass}} which makes sense considering ''who'' he's with at the time. Tear he'd be mean to because she tried to kill his beloved Master Van and then kidnapped him. Of course he'd be displeased. Anise he hardly talks to until after he meets Ion, and he's mean to her because she helps Jade kidnap him...again. Jade, of course, is [[DeadpanSnarker Jade.]] Jade is almost as much of a jerk as Luke is, we just forget about it because he's a) much more hilarious, b) much more dignified, and c) much more awesome. Luke's mean to the townspeople in Engeve but only after they accuse him of stealing. Oh, and there's Mieu, but since Luke [[spoiler: literally has the mind of a seven-year-old]] and Mieu TastesLikeDiabetes, it kind of makes sense he'd have no respect for the creature at all. Once Guy comes back into the party Luke's still pretty nice to him, or as nice as Luke can be. He's a [[spoiler: literal AdultChild]] in enemy territory, out of his manor for the first time ''ever'', and he's surrounded by kidnappers, snarkers, and accusations. Doesn't it make sense that sweet, respectful Ion would be the only one to get a pass from Luke?

20th Jan '13 4:28:26 PM Timber

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* Why did Yulia [[spoiler: hide the Seventh Fonstone]], when it [[spoiler: shows the imminent destruction of the world she loved so much]]? The end of the Sixth Fonstone promised prosperity to Auldrant. [[spoiler: Well, Kimlasca, anyway. The Sixth Fonstone was pretty clear that Malkuth got the short end of the stick there, since the Score was pretty clear that Malkuth would lose the war and His Imperial Majesty would die]]. If that's all they know of it, people are bound to follow it, right? Eternal, ever-lasting, "unprecedented" prosperity sounds fantastic, right? So people would follow it to bring future generations to that prosperity. If you really wanted the world to [[spoiler: avert the Score you wrote down]] because you love the world so much, why would you [[spoiler: hide the thing that says the world will end in death and disease with the miasma consuming the planet]]? For that matter, why would you even [[spoiler: write it down]]? Would that almost make this an IdiotPlot? And Yulia's not the only idiot here, why in the name of Lorelei would you follow something like that, if there's a whole entire section at the end completely missing? It'd be like an inexperienced baker trying to bake a cake where the instructions don't say how long to bake it for. They can follow the recipe to the letter, but what will they do when it comes time to bake the cake? Will they get lucky, or will disaster happen? Who knows?

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30th Nov '12 8:27:33 AM justanid

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** The term the game uses is 'replica data.' Seventh fonons contain memory particles (remember that Lorelei's memory is the Planet's Memory) that provide the blueprint used for replication. Think of replica data as a DNA sample. As for why it weakens them, the seventh fonon is the fonon used for healing. Not only it is essentialy draining the victim's life force (lowering their max HP?), body memory/the memory the body's seventh fonons contain of how the body should be is probably what healing artes use to tell what shape to put the body back into (in the same way our DNA does). In other words, extracting replica data is the equivalent of damaging someone's DNA. Not only are they far more vulnerable to things like the miasma, but the ones that just drop dead may have died of cancer or the Auldrantine equivalent. In any case, a replication machine creates replicas by gathering a whole bunch of seventh fonons and configuring them (or having them configure themselves) according to the blueprint provided by replica data. Growing a plant from a cutting is a good metaphor. [[ItGotWorse It Gets Worse.]] The seventh fonon is also the fonon of spacetime: the Score isn't Lorelei's prediction of the future, it's Lorelei's memory of what is happening/has already happened from its perspective. Distance also seems to be immaterial to it, as the plot shows via Luke and Tear's teleportation (it also plays a role in gameplay via wing bottles.) To an original's personal memory fonons (if they're a seventh fonist who has them), a replica's body is for all intents and purposes a part of their own body [[spoiler:and if their main body dies, they'll just download themselves into the backup.]]

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** The term the game uses is 'replica data.' Seventh fonons contain memory particles (remember that Lorelei's memory is the Planet's Memory) that provide the blueprint used for replication. Think of replica data as a DNA sample. As for why it weakens them, the seventh fonon is the fonon used for healing. Not only it is essentialy draining the victim's life force (lowering their max HP?), body memory/the memory the body's seventh fonons contain of how the body should be is probably what healing artes use to tell what shape to put the body back into (in the same way our DNA does). In other words, extracting replica data is the equivalent of damaging someone's DNA. Not only are they far more vulnerable to things like the miasma, but the ones that just drop dead may have died of cancer or the Auldrantine equivalent. In any case, a replication machine creates replicas by gathering a whole bunch of seventh fonons and configuring them (or having them configure themselves) according to the blueprint provided by replica data. Growing a plant from a cutting is a good metaphor. Worse to come. The seventh fonon is also the fonon of spacetime: the Score isn't Lorelei's prediction of the future, it's Lorelei's memory of what is happening/has already happened from its perspective. Distance also seems to be immaterial to it, as the plot shows via Luke and Tear's teleportation (it also plays a role in gameplay via wing bottles.) To an original's personal memory fonons (if they're a seventh fonist who has them), a replica's body is for all intents and purposes a part of their own body [[spoiler:and if their main body dies, they'll just download themselves into the backup.]]

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