Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Headscratchers / TalesOfSymphonia

Go To

OR

Added: 64

Changed: 10

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* In Meltokio, near Zelos' mansion, there's a noblegirl and a nobledude exchanging...Shakespeare. Completely ''unrelated'' Shakespeare, no less. The dude's going all Hamlet, and the girl is questioning where Romeo is. A. Yes, I realize it was, meta-fashion, the localization/translation team flaunting some 'speare, but...what the heck, there was a Shakespeare in TOS? Or some Expy?

to:

* In Meltokio, near Zelos' mansion, there's a noblegirl and a nobledude exchanging...Shakespeare. Completely ''unrelated'' Shakespeare, no less. The dude's going all Hamlet, and the girl is questioning where why Romeo is.is Romeo. A. Yes, I realize it was, meta-fashion, the localization/translation team flaunting some 'speare, but...what the heck, there was a Shakespeare in TOS? Or some Expy?


Added DiffLines:

*** Ack. I had forgotten about that; my bad. Thanks, 'tis fixed.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Also "Wherefore art thou Romeo" does not mean "Where are you, Romeo?" but "Why are you called Romeo?"
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


[[WMG: Shakespeare in Tethe'alla?]]
* In Meltokio, near Zelos' mansion, there's a noblegirl and a nobledude exchanging...Shakespeare. Completely ''unrelated'' Shakespeare, no less. The dude's going all Hamlet, and the girl is questioning where Romeo is. A. Yes, I realize it was, meta-fashion, the localization/translation team flaunting some 'speare, but...what the heck, there was a Shakespeare in TOS? Or some Expy?
** And two, they say it's a game. A game of...what, exactly? Exchanging random Shakespeare quotes that are completely unrelated? Hamlet ≠ Romeo & Juliet.
** And if there WAS a 'speare in the TOS Universe, then when did he come about? Before or after the war? Half-elf? Human? Elf? Something else?! It just bugs me!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


The Desians' membership are stated to consist nominally of Half-Elves who suffered from FantasticRacism at the hands of humans and elves. Forcystus himself even stopped a genocide against his own people, raising him to heroic status. As far as presentation goes, however the Desians are, simply put, an entire army of [[KickTheDog puppy kicking]], [[PuttingOnTheReich genocidal and hate-mongering]] [[CompleteMonster CompleteMonsters]] from the [[QuirkyMinibossSquad Grand Cardinals up]] to the toilet-scrubbing grunts who go on the frontline. You think they could have showed more ambiguity instead of told about it, such as showing a {{Mook}} or two expressing hesitation when ordered to do something [[KickTheDog morally questionable]], giving an epic, perhaps tear-laden MotiveRant, or even showing remorse, or at least unconvincingly (to themselves) rationalizing their behavior. Instead, they all practically masturbate to the suffering they cause: No exceptions. For that matter, what of the Renegades, since they implicitly consist of former Desians who defected for whatever reason. They probably could have explored what motivated them to leave as well. [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Need I say it?]]

to:

The Desians' membership are stated to consist nominally of Half-Elves who suffered from FantasticRacism at the hands of humans and elves. Forcystus himself even stopped a genocide against his own people, raising him to heroic status. As far as presentation goes, however the Desians are, simply put, an entire army of [[KickTheDog puppy kicking]], [[PuttingOnTheReich genocidal and hate-mongering]] [[CompleteMonster CompleteMonsters]] from the [[QuirkyMinibossSquad Grand Cardinals up]] to the toilet-scrubbing grunts who go on the frontline. You think they could have showed more ambiguity instead of told about it, such as showing a {{Mook}} or two expressing hesitation when ordered to do something [[KickTheDog morally questionable]], giving an epic, perhaps tear-laden MotiveRant, or even showing remorse, or at least unconvincingly (to themselves) rationalizing their behavior. For that matter, even catching ostensibly [[CompleteMonster horrifying individuals]] acting genuinely [[NiceToTheWaiter nice to their peers]] could have also covered the [[MoralMyopia Banality of Evil]] concept, showing how perverse sufficiently hateful racism can get by showing up in people who might otherwise be LoveFreaks. Instead, they all practically masturbate to the suffering they cause: No exceptions. For that matter, what of the Renegades, since they implicitly consist of former Desians who defected for whatever reason. They probably could have explored what motivated them to leave as well. [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Need I say it?]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


[[WMG: The writers botched the Desians as sympathetic villains?]]
The Desians' membership are stated to consist nominally of Half-Elves who suffered from FantasticRacism at the hands of humans and elves. Forcystus himself even stopped a genocide against his own people, raising him to heroic status. As far as presentation goes, however the Desians are, simply put, an entire army of [[KickTheDog puppy kicking]], [[PuttingOnTheReich genocidal and hate-mongering]] [[CompleteMonster CompleteMonsters]] from the [[QuirkyMinibossSquad Grand Cardinals up]] to the toilet-scrubbing grunts who go on the frontline. You think they could have showed more ambiguity instead of told about it, such as showing a {{Mook}} or two expressing hesitation when ordered to do something [[KickTheDog morally questionable]], giving an epic, perhaps tear-laden MotiveRant, or even showing remorse, or at least unconvincingly (to themselves) rationalizing their behavior. Instead, they all practically masturbate to the suffering they cause: No exceptions. For that matter, what of the Renegades, since they implicitly consist of former Desians who defected for whatever reason. They probably could have explored what motivated them to leave as well. [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot Need I say it?]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


[[WMG: So, Kratos and Anna...]]
Did Kratos and Anna seriously travel around for 3 years + 9 months + however long it took them to decide to have Lloyd, without thinking to have a Key Crest made for Anna? She was just going around with a dangerous crestless exsphere that whole time, until someone finally decided to exploit it and turn her into a monster?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** I personally think it only makes sense if you go with the "The original cast has removed their Exspheres" WMG. Without her Exsphere, Sheena can't properly gather elemental mana (or whatever she needs to summon) unless she's literally surrounded by it. Think about it; she summons Celcius in the Temple of Ice, and Undine in the Hot Springs. Both times, she is in an area filled with the element she needs.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

****To give another example, Yamaha, another Japanese company, makes things ranging from motorcycles to...flutes. My guess is the Lezareno is there to see just how far they could take the zaibatsu idea, possibly poking a little fun at the idea.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* Nature spirits in fiction are almost always shown to be extremely reactionary, only acting when they absolutely have to.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None




to:

\n* This one's easy enough. HumansAreMorons. HumansAreBastards. Humans are drawn to big power destructive things like moths to flames. Give them a problem that superficially looks like it could be solved with the application of overwhelming force, and add to that legends/records/memories of BFGs. It's a ForegoneConclusion.

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

**** Unlike the other ranches the Remote Island Ranch isn't a large building visible from a distance. It's pretty well hidden. They probably have no clue about it (not only because it's hidden but also because Magnius is a LargeHam that draws all the attention to ''his'' ranch).
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* They have weird hair and can use magic. Elves are uncommon in Sylvarant, half-elves even moreso. They probably don't know the difference and took it as face value. They hair also seems to purposely cover their ears.

to:

* They have weird hair and can use magic. Elves are uncommon in Sylvarant, half-elves even moreso. They probably don't know the difference and took it as at face value. They hair also seems to purposely cover their ears.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Or he could have been giving the party a chance to join him. Before he revealed himself as Yggdrasill, he was trying to coax at least Genis into joining his side. Wasn't that part of the point of him appearing as Mithos to them in the first place? Or maybe I'm missing something..


Added DiffLines:

* They have weird hair and can use magic. Elves are uncommon in Sylvarant, half-elves even moreso. They probably don't know the difference and took it as face value. They hair also seems to purposely cover their ears.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Because he could still use Colette at that point. But he could have just saved Colette and left everyone else, then. Not like they'd be alive afterward to come after him. So I guess that's not right..
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Actually, all of the enemy angels (the ones you fight in Derris-Kharlan and Vinheim, for example) have feather wings as well. I'd say it's a mixture of the rank thing and being for show. (Remiel was obviously higher rank than the mooks.) Or, kind of a stretch, it could be a symbol of their power. All the higher-ups have the mana wings and are stronger, while the mooks and Remiel have feather wings and are a lot weaker.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*** Or, you know, the burning with the Sorcerer's Ring was just a gimmick. They are just curtains, after-all. They could have one of the magic-worthy members burn them with their own fireballs, or simply tear them down. And as for the Toize Valley Mine, there were probably workers that manually hit those switches once upon a time. It could have just been luck that the Sorcerer's Ring reached far enough. (Otherwise, maybe one of the party members would have to scale up that thing to hit the switch. Or throw rocks at it.)
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** It really wouldn't matter at all for Martel if she woke up in a man's body, because as Mithos explains (and demonstrates) in the game, "When you become a lifeless being, you can even control your appearance and growth."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

**I've heard that Gnome is like that in Phantasia because of a comment he made in Symphonia about how 'four against one' wasn't fair. Might be stretching it a bit, but you never know.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* I suspect it has something to do with how isolationist the elves are- they never leave their one town, remember, the only interactions come from the few humans that visit them, and the few elves that might occasionally leave. This, along with what we see of elves, indicates some sort of fundamental difference- likely psychological, but also probably having to do with lifespans, half-elves living much longer than humans but much shorter than elves, between elves and men that makes it impossible to co-exist for lengthy periods of time, which works fine when there's a whole other society to banish to. When the kid is half-elf, and thus too differerent from ''both'' sides to live with either, it causes tension. No matter the origin of the hatred, though, remember that it became self-propagating once Mithos fell from grace and began Cruxis and the Desians.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: Whats with all the FantasticRacism against half-elves?]]
Why are elves okay, and humans okay, but elves mixed with humans are bad? Especially on the part of the elves. It makes as much sense as black people discriminating against multiracial kids. And furthermore, how does Raine's mother get off the hook? She was with a human long enough to have not one, but two kids. If we accept the logic that half-elves equal bad, then multiracial couples should be just as bad.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

**The answer is quite simple: Namco Fucked Up. The End. Perhaps there was some intention to hint at this, and then reveal it all in the end, but it got cut, and we were left with this.

Added: 365

Changed: 153

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None






to:

* She was old enough to have coherent memory when her mother left her and Genis to be warped to Sylvarant. Maybe she was obsessed with history even then?
* She's an archaeologist. Every time you stay at an inn in Tethe'alla, she probably spends the bulk of the night reading up on the history of this new world.


Added DiffLines:

* If there are, nobody has seen them, considering that most, if not all, Elves stay in their village in Tethe'alla. And even there, the only people to have actually ''seen'' them are emissaries from the King.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


[[WMG: How do Raine and Genis manage to pass for Elves?]]
...when they don't have pointy ears? Are there even any elves in Sylvarant?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: How does Raine know about the Olfe Uprising?]]
In the skit "There She Goes!", Raine claims the Olfe Uprising occurred 130 years ago, but then Regal says it's an important event in modern Tethe'allan history. So if the Olfe Uprising was in Tethe'alla, how does Raine know about it?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None




Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: Why do the Summon Spirits continue to support Mithos even after his vow is broken?]]
Volt and Origin are the only ones who say their pact with Mithos was broken. All the rest are apparently still bound by the broken promise until the next summoner arrives, at which point they even tell her they can't make the pact because they already have a pact with Mithos; until she specifically requests they annul the previous pact, at which point they immediately accept. What about their behavior makes any sense?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

*I think it's a case of AllThereInTheManual but I can't quite remember WHICH manual.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:


[[WMG: 4,000 years between Symphonia and Phantasia?]]
I see 4,000 years between the two games quoted everywhere, but I haven't been able to find out where this number came from. I don't believe it's stated in either game. Was it revealed in some guide book or interview or something? Did fans just pull it out of thin air?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* The feather wings are probably "for show," i.e. given to angels who will be appearing to humans in order to fit the image of an "angel." Other than that, neither seems any more effective than the other.
[[WMG: Why did Mithos save the party at the Remote Island Ranch?]]
Seems like it would have been much better for him to just let them die.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* As far as [[SchizoTechnician I]] can tell, an angel's wing shape is like a human's fingerprints; no two are anywhere near similar.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: What's up with the amgel wings?]]
It may be because I haven't finished the game, but I haven't seen any angels with actual ''bird'' wings like Remial does. Collette, Kratos and Mithos all have butterfly/dragonfly wings [[spoiler:(though the wings seem to get more featherlike the bigger they are)]]. Is it because Remial was a relatively low ranking angel?

Top