History Headscratchers / Supernatural

30th May '16 7:28:53 PM SeanRenaud
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* Whatever happened to the three other horsemen rings? I know from an out of universe perspective the explanation is simply that there was never an interesting time to reintroduce them. However, you basically have three of the most powerful artefacts from the show, conveniently pocket sized, with no established long term harm, and they can be worn by a human character. Given how powerful Dean became when wearing Death's ring (if he still had the ring he could just walk up invisibly behind someone and kill them with a touch) it definitely seems like they should have come up at some point when facing one of the enemies they don't know how to kill (even if just as something to be dismissed as too dangerous to use).

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* Whatever happened to the three other horsemen rings? I know from an out of universe perspective the explanation is simply that there was never an interesting time to reintroduce them. However, you basically have three of the most powerful artefacts from the show, conveniently pocket sized, with no established long term harm, and they can be worn by a human character. Given how powerful Dean became when wearing Death's ring (if he still had the ring he could just walk up invisibly behind someone and kill them with a touch) it definitely seems like they should have come up at some point when facing one of the enemies they don't know how to kill (even if just as something to be dismissed as too dangerous to use).use).
* What are reapers? Originally they seemed to be a distinct species/race presumably descended from Death himself who at the time was touted as God's equal. At least he claimed he would reap God when the time came and that neither of them could remember who was eldest. Amara makes no mention of a third and in fact much of her conversations about God seem to confirm that God created the Universe essentially because he was lonely. Later Reapers were revealed to be a job type for angels, similar to a Cupid. Now we've got Billie who doesn't seem to be just another angel who stepped up. For starters at this point an angel threatening Sam and Dean would need a bit of swagger to not simply get told off by Cas but when the S10 finale hits she comes through with a couple hundred thousand souls that apparently Cas didn't have access to and God seemed to not even know about. [[spoiler: In God's defense he was at death's door and possibly not thinking clearly.]]
30th May '16 3:49:42 PM ApeAccount
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* In “All Hell Breaks Loose” Bobby claimed that it would practically take an A-bomb to destroy the giant Devil’s Trap and that a full blooded demon therefore couldn’t get across. I understand that a demon couldn’t just rip the tracks up with their bare hands but is the trap really that much of an obstacle for them? People have broken iron railway lines with regular explosives before. Even if they didn’t want to, say, stand a few steps back and throw explosives at the tracks, there must some demon out there with enough money to just hire a demolition crew who could go in and break the line for them (even getting it done in a few spots to make it harder for it to be fixed). I understand that demons don’t generally favour the “just hire a guy” route, but it would seem to have let them solve this problem years earlier.

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* In “All Hell Breaks Loose” Bobby claimed that it would practically take an A-bomb to destroy the giant Devil’s Trap and that a full blooded demon therefore couldn’t get across. I understand that a demon couldn’t just rip the tracks up with their bare hands but is the trap really that much of an obstacle for them? People have broken iron railway lines with regular explosives before. Even if they didn’t want to, say, stand a few steps back and throw explosives at the tracks, there must some demon out there with enough money to just hire a demolition crew who could go in and break the line for them (even getting it done in a few spots to make it harder for it to be fixed). I understand that demons don’t generally favour the “just hire a guy” route, but it would seem to have let them solve this problem years earlier.earlier.
* Whatever happened to the three other horsemen rings? I know from an out of universe perspective the explanation is simply that there was never an interesting time to reintroduce them. However, you basically have three of the most powerful artefacts from the show, conveniently pocket sized, with no established long term harm, and they can be worn by a human character. Given how powerful Dean became when wearing Death's ring (if he still had the ring he could just walk up invisibly behind someone and kill them with a touch) it definitely seems like they should have come up at some point when facing one of the enemies they don't know how to kill (even if just as something to be dismissed as too dangerous to use).
7th May '16 4:18:11 PM nombretomado
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*** Haven't you read GoodOmens? I'm not sure if this is actual Biblical scripture, but most (and I mean MOST) renditions of the Antichrist is that his power is anything he believes is true, is.

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*** Haven't you read GoodOmens? ''Literature/GoodOmens''? I'm not sure if this is actual Biblical scripture, but most (and I mean MOST) renditions of the Antichrist is that his power is anything he believes is true, is.
6th May '16 2:53:47 AM Millstone85
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** [[Recap/SupernaturalS11E20DontCallMeShurley Don't Call Me Shurley]] seems further at odd with the "only 4 angels" story. [[spoiler:God Himself]] claims there is nothing special about Metatron as he was just the angel closest to the door when God entered the room. That would hurt Metatron's feelings a whole lot less if the room had such a select few angels to begin with.
2nd May '16 4:49:38 PM Kalu-chan
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*** No, from an objective point of view, you really really shouldn't save someone from your family if it means that innocents will die. But, well, humans have the strong tendency to not think objectively; it's part of what makes us us. Now, I don't know about you, but even though my brother and I may not be as close as Sam and Dean, I think I sure as hell would burn down a city if that meant saving him. And I, at least, have other family and close friends - Dean doesn't, not really. Is it an incredibly selfish thing to do? Yes. Is it objectively wrong? Yes. But would all too many humans act differently? Probably no.
29th Apr '16 9:26:18 PM ApeAccount
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* In Season 7 "Of Grave Importance", Bobby tells Annie that he ran away from his reaper. But where was Annie's reaper? I am guessing that reapers (being angels) are more powerful than ghosts, so it's not like they couldn't fight Whitman Van Ness. Dean had Tessa as a reaper in the hospital in season 2 but at least he had a choice whether to become a ghost. Why didn't Annie?

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* In Season 7 "Of Grave Importance", Bobby tells Annie that he ran away from his reaper. But where was Annie's reaper? I am guessing that reapers (being angels) are more powerful than ghosts, so it's not like they couldn't fight Whitman Van Ness. Dean had Tessa as a reaper in the hospital in season 2 but at least he had a choice whether to become a ghost. Why didn't Annie?Annie?
* In “All Hell Breaks Loose” Bobby claimed that it would practically take an A-bomb to destroy the giant Devil’s Trap and that a full blooded demon therefore couldn’t get across. I understand that a demon couldn’t just rip the tracks up with their bare hands but is the trap really that much of an obstacle for them? People have broken iron railway lines with regular explosives before. Even if they didn’t want to, say, stand a few steps back and throw explosives at the tracks, there must some demon out there with enough money to just hire a demolition crew who could go in and break the line for them (even getting it done in a few spots to make it harder for it to be fixed). I understand that demons don’t generally favour the “just hire a guy” route, but it would seem to have let them solve this problem years earlier.
23rd Apr '16 7:57:41 PM tr1ggernometry
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* Am I the only one confused about the portrayal of demons/angels without bodies? On Earth a ghost can interact with the physical world, but a disembodied demon/angel can't really. But in heaven, hell and purgatory, angels, demons, humans, the embodied and the disembodied all interact with each other as if there's no distinction. Castiel said he was a "multidimensional wavelength of angelic intent" as an angel, but we see angels like Lucifer in the cage (disembodied) acting like plain humans. It just feels like the reason is the budget rather than an in-universe explanation.

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* Am I the only one confused about the portrayal of demons/angels without bodies? On Earth a ghost can interact with the physical world, but a disembodied demon/angel can't really. But in heaven, hell and purgatory, angels, demons, humans, the embodied and the disembodied all interact with each other as if there's no distinction. Castiel said he was a "multidimensional wavelength of angelic celestial intent" as an angel, but we see angels like Lucifer in the cage (disembodied) acting like plain humans. It just feels like the reason is the budget rather than an in-universe explanation.explanation.
* In Season 7 "Of Grave Importance", Bobby tells Annie that he ran away from his reaper. But where was Annie's reaper? I am guessing that reapers (being angels) are more powerful than ghosts, so it's not like they couldn't fight Whitman Van Ness. Dean had Tessa as a reaper in the hospital in season 2 but at least he had a choice whether to become a ghost. Why didn't Annie?
23rd Apr '16 7:49:14 PM tr1ggernometry
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** Remember that Cas lost his Grace in the Season 8 finale, making him basically a human. As his vessel no longer contained it's original soul, presumably Cas "became" the host of that body, and when he regained his Grace, he got back his powers but that more or less became his default body, similar to how Anna continued to use the body she had as a human when she regained her Grace, even though that was apparently never human to begin with.

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** Remember that Cas lost his Grace in the Season 8 finale, making him basically a human. As his vessel no longer contained it's original soul, presumably Cas "became" the host of that body, and when he regained his Grace, he got back his powers but that more or less became his default body, similar to how Anna continued to use the body she had as a human when she regained her Grace, even though that was apparently never human to begin with.with.
* Where is Michael and Adam in the Cage? When we see the cage in season 11 only Lucifer is in it.
* Am I the only one confused about the portrayal of demons/angels without bodies? On Earth a ghost can interact with the physical world, but a disembodied demon/angel can't really. But in heaven, hell and purgatory, angels, demons, humans, the embodied and the disembodied all interact with each other as if there's no distinction. Castiel said he was a "multidimensional wavelength of angelic intent" as an angel, but we see angels like Lucifer in the cage (disembodied) acting like plain humans. It just feels like the reason is the budget rather than an in-universe explanation.
30th Mar '16 11:54:34 PM SeanRenaud
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** There are a few problems with this theory. The first and most important being that very little of what the Winchesters do makes the news in any real way. America averages some 16,000 homicides a year. When you factor in people who are covering for the Winchesters, deaths that are chalked up as animal attacks, and times when there is no body to be found they aren't THAT famous. Most murders are local news at best even if it does involve multiple people. So it's possible even if he weren't a full on recluse to simply not notice. If he's God then that covers that. If he's NOT and he's just a prophet for the sake of argument there is an additional answer. He only writes what he sees, and he only sees what God allows him to see primarily through Angel radio. Meaning the Supernatural Books and the show WE see don't mirror 1:1. Which we already sorta know. It's not like Chuck knows when they are going to call because he's already past that point in his story, nor is HE included in his own stories. So far as we know. Additionally Becky reveals that the books show Bella selling the the Colt to Crowley. Something we the audience of the show didn't see. So it's entirely possible that Chuck wasn't given any information about any of the stories that would allow him to connect the dots. It wouldn't shock me to find out that instead of murdering red necks in the Minnesota he found himself compelled to write about the adventures of Bobby and Rufus or John and that thing that got away.
30th Mar '16 11:13:30 PM JackG
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* Okay, so Chuck writes the supernatural books, and until he meets the Winchesters, has absolutely no idea that they are anything but products of his own imagination. How is this possible? Many--Hell,most--of the Brothers hunts are bound to get national coverage, that's generally the way it goes with serial killers, yet Chuck never notices that this gruesome series of murders in Anytown USA bears an uncanny resemblance to one of his books? This is especially true for the murders that turn out to be to be caused by human beings (Family Remains and The Benders), there's no way a Serial murdering Redneck family in the backwoods of Minnesota isn't going to be plastered over every news channel for at least a month.

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* Okay, so Chuck writes the supernatural Supernatural books, and until he meets the Winchesters, has absolutely no idea that they are anything but products of his own imagination. How is this possible? Many--Hell,most--of the Brothers hunts are bound to get national coverage, that's generally the way it goes with serial killers, yet Chuck never notices that this gruesome series of murders in Anytown USA bears an uncanny resemblance to one of his books? This is especially true for the murders that turn out to be to be caused by human beings (Family Remains and The Benders), there's no way a Serial murdering Redneck family in the backwoods of Minnesota isn't going to be plastered over every news channel for at least a month.


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** In the episode involving dragons, Dean is shown helping himself to their DragonHoard. So in that case the demons loot their victims and the brothers help themselves after they've killed them.
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