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History Headscratchers / SupermanRedSon

14th Apr '16 2:34:36 PM Dragon101
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** When a government has total control of the economy, that is not called Communism; that is a Command Economy. STATE Communism usually takes the form of a command economy, but not all command economies are communist. Communism is about equal opportunity for everyone, and taking control of the state is just one possible means to try and achieve this (another form of communism is to a actually ''abolish'' the state- Anarcho-Communism). The difference here is one of philosophy and intent- both Luthor and Superman utilise a command economy, but while Superman uses it to create the ultimate egalitarian society (sans the one all-powerful alien running all of it), Luthor has established an extreme meritocracy where ones place in society is rewarded by talent and intellect, with himself in charge of course [[SarcasmMode because he is the most talented and intelligent human to have ever lived.]] Basically both are fair, but only Supermans' world is equal. One wonders what life is like in Luthorville if you DON'T have stupendous amounts of drive and ability (it might be alright, but it's definitely not as good as if you are part of his elite). And of course the other difference is that for all his faults, Superman at least cares about the human race and is more of a WellIntentionedExtremist, while Luthor is still just an EvilGenius [[AGodAmI with a God complex]] who wants to remake the world to his own personal liking, regardless of how many people have to die (baring in mind ''he'' causes the economic collapse the pre-Luthor governments have to put up with) in order to achieve it.

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** When a government has total control of the economy, that is not called Communism; that is a Command Economy. STATE Communism usually takes the form of a command economy, but not all command economies are communist. Communism is about equal opportunity for everyone, and taking control of the state is just one possible means to try and achieve this (another form of communism is to a actually ''abolish'' the state- Anarcho-Communism). The difference here is one of philosophy and intent- both Luthor and Superman utilise a command economy, but while Superman uses it to create the ultimate egalitarian society (sans the one all-powerful alien running all of it), Luthor has established an extreme meritocracy a meritocratic geniocracy where ones place in society is rewarded by talent and intellect, with himself in charge of course [[SarcasmMode because he is the most talented and intelligent human to have ever lived.]] Basically both are fair, but only Supermans' world is equal. One wonders what life is like in Luthorville if you DON'T have stupendous amounts of drive and ability (it might be alright, but it's definitely not as good as if you are part of his elite). And of course the other difference is that for all his faults, Superman at least cares about the human race and is more of a WellIntentionedExtremist, while Luthor is still just an EvilGenius [[AGodAmI with a God complex]] who wants to remake the world to his own personal liking, regardless of how many people have to die (baring in mind ''he'' causes the economic collapse the pre-Luthor governments have to put up with) in order to achieve it.
13th Apr '16 12:21:55 PM Dragon101
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*** This one could be a case of WhoWantsToLiveForever meets NoImmortalInertia; near-immortality aside, he'd clearly aged quite a lot in those 2000 years and was hooked up to a lot of life support machines as well. No doubt he could only slow down the aging process and not stop it entirely, so he probably decided that enough was enough, and that literally living forever wouldn't be worth the pain -- quality of life versus quantity and that.

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*** **** This one could be a case of WhoWantsToLiveForever meets NoImmortalInertia; near-immortality aside, he'd clearly aged quite a lot in those 2000 years and was hooked up to a lot of life support machines as well. No doubt he could only slow down the aging process and not stop it entirely, so he probably decided that enough was enough, and that literally living forever wouldn't be worth the pain -- quality of life versus quantity and that.



** When a government has total control of the economy, that is not called Communism; that is a Command Economy. STATE Communism usually takes the form of a command economy, but not all command economies are communist. Communism is about equal opportunity for everyone, and taking control of the state is just one possible means to try and achieve this (another form of communism is to a actually ''abolish'' the state- Anarcho-Communism). The difference here is one of philosophy and intent- both Luthor and Superman utilise a command economy, but while Superman uses it to create the ultimate egalitarian society (sans the one all-powerful alien running all of it), Luthor has established an extreme meritocracy where ones place in society is rewarded by talent and intellect, with himself in charge of course [[SarcasmMode because he is the most talented and intelligent human to have ever lived.]] Basically both are fair, but only Supermans' world is equal. One wonders what life is like in Luthorville if you DON'T have stupendous amounts of drive and ability (it might be alright, but it's definitely not as good as if you are part of his elite). And of course the other difference is that for all his faults, Superman at least cares about the human race and is more of a WellIntentionedExtremist, while Luthor is still just an EvilGenius [[AGodAmI with a God complex]] who wants to remake the world to his own personal liking, regardless of how many people have to die (baring in mind ''he'' causes the economic collapse the pre-Luthor governments have to put up with) in order to achieve it.

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** As I recall, there was a significant theme through the book of NotSoDifferent between Superman and Luthor. The only guy who could stop the super-powered alien dictator with absolute power over a semi-utopian society was an unpowered human dictator (if not in name) with absolute power over a semi-utopian society.
** When a government has total control of the economy, that is not called Communism; that is a Command Economy. STATE Communism usually takes the form of a command economy, but not all command economies are communist. Communism is about equal opportunity for everyone, and taking control of the state is just one possible means to try and achieve this (another form of communism is to a actually ''abolish'' the state- Anarcho-Communism). The difference here is one of philosophy and intent- both Luthor and Superman utilise a command economy, but while Superman uses it to create the ultimate egalitarian society (sans the one all-powerful alien running all of it), Luthor has established an extreme meritocracy where ones place in society is rewarded by talent and intellect, with himself in charge of course [[SarcasmMode because he is the most talented and intelligent human to have ever lived.]] Basically both are fair, but only Supermans' world is equal. One wonders what life is like in Luthorville if you DON'T have stupendous amounts of drive and ability (it might be alright, but it's definitely not as good as if you are part of his elite). And of course the other difference is that for all his faults, Superman at least cares about the human race and is more of a WellIntentionedExtremist, while Luthor is still just an EvilGenius [[AGodAmI with a God complex]] who wants to remake the world to his own personal liking, regardless of how many people have to die (baring in mind ''he'' causes the economic collapse the pre-Luthor governments have to put up with) in order to achieve it. \n



* As I recall, there was a significant theme through the book of NotSoDifferent between Superman and Luthor. The only guy who could stop the super-powered alien dictator with absolute power over a semi-utopian society was an unpowered human dictator (if not in name) with absolute power over a semi-utopian society.

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* As I recall, there was a significant theme through the book of NotSoDifferent between Superman and Luthor. The only guy who could stop the super-powered alien dictator with absolute power over a semi-utopian society was an unpowered human dictator (if not in name) with absolute power over a semi-utopian society.
13th Apr '16 11:56:52 AM Dragon101
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** When a government has total control of the economy, that is not called Communism; that is a Command Economy. STATE Communism usually takes the form of a command economy, but not all command economies are communist. Communism is about equal opportunity for everyone, and taking control of the state is just one possible means to try and achieve this (another form of communism is to a actually ''abolish'' the state- Anarcho-Communism). The difference here is one of philosophy and intent- both Luthor and Superman utilise a command economy, but while Superman uses it to create the ultimate egalitarian society (sans the one all-powerful alien running all of it), Luthor has established an extreme meritocracy where ones place in society is rewarded by talent and intellect, with himself in charge of course [[SarcasmMode because he is the most talented and intelligent human to have ever lived.]] Basically both are fair, but only Supermans' world is equal. One wonders what life is like in Luthorville if you DON'T have stupendous amounts of drive and ability (it might be alright, but it's definitely not as good as if you are part of his elite). And of course the other difference is that for all his faults, Superman at least cares about the human race and is more of a WellIntentionedExtremist, while Luthor is still just an EvilGenius [[AGodAmI with a God complex]] who wants to remake the world to his own personal liking, regardless of how many people have to die (baring in mind ''he'' causes the economic collapse the pre-Luthor governments have to put up with) in order to achieve it.
30th Dec '15 11:39:04 AM OmarKarindu
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** It's expressly stated near the end that "Luthorism" actually ''uses'' some of Superman's economic ideas. Of course, that makes it something of a "third way" between capitalism and communism. Historically that implies some form of fascism, which is a different problem entirely with the story's politics.
11th Dec '15 9:02:16 AM LoveChunks
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** "In a cave! with a bunch of scraps!"

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** *** "In a cave! with a bunch of scraps!"
11th Dec '15 9:01:24 AM LoveChunks
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**"In a cave! with a bunch of scraps!"
10th Oct '15 8:55:12 PM Grif
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*** Or perhaps, her breaking the lasso is symbolic of her ''rejecting truth'' in favor of unwavering faith to Superman? Understandably, this decision would be antithetical to Wonder Woman's nature.

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*** Or perhaps, her breaking the lasso is symbolic of her ''rejecting truth'' in favor of unwavering faith to Superman? Understandably, this decision would be antithetical to Wonder Woman's nature.
nature. It's worth noting that, unlike what an above poster suggested, the lasso of truth has only ever been broken by creatures that have natures contrary to truth, such as Bizarro or the Queen Of Fables.
10th Oct '15 8:53:26 PM Grif
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*** Or perhaps, her breaking the lasso is symbolic of her ''rejecting truth'' in favor of unwavering faith to Superman? Understandably, this decision would be antithetical to Wonder Woman's nature.
2nd Oct '15 10:02:07 AM DoctorNemesis
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** To answer, let's do a quick comparison. On one hand, you've got a bunch of dull grey Soviet bureaucrats and politicos who's main abilities are managing not to get killed by Stalin in a fit of paranoia while simultaneously not managing to completely screw everything up enough to put them in the running. And then on the other hand you've got an alien man raised from infancy as Stalin's son with superhuman strength and abilities who flies around helping everyone and generally being the most perfect guy ever. Keeping that in mind, I suggest it's not hard to see why the dull grey Soviet bureaucrats didn't really get a look in as far as pretty much everyone in the universe was concerned. It's made pretty clear that even Stalin's birth son was pretty definitively left in the dust as well. Put simply, who really gives a shit about Khruschev when ''Superman's'' the main competition for the top job as far as everyone's concerned?

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** To answer, let's do a quick comparison. On one hand, you've got a bunch of dull grey Soviet bureaucrats and politicos who's main abilities are managing not to get killed by Stalin in a fit of paranoia while simultaneously not managing to not completely screw everything up enough to put them in the running. And then on the other hand you've got an alien man raised from infancy as Stalin's son with superhuman strength and abilities who flies around helping everyone and generally being the most perfect guy ever. Keeping that in mind, I suggest it's not hard to see why the dull grey Soviet bureaucrats didn't really get a look in as far as pretty much everyone in the universe was concerned. It's made pretty clear that even Stalin's birth son was pretty definitively left in the dust as well. Put simply, who really gives a shit about Khruschev when ''Superman's'' the main competition for the top job as far as everyone's concerned?
30th Sep '15 10:02:02 AM DoctorNemesis
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** To address the first question, if we're talking about Pyotr then it seems pretty clear that Stalin really ''didn't'' care all that much about him beyond him being his heir. If we're talking about why Stalin would raise Superman as his son, I'm pretty sure that Joseph Stalin of all people would take an interest in the rearing of a superbeing who happened to fall into his lap, so to speak.
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