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** Lot of headscratching over him. First off, hes missing his hand, and the prosthetic hand he has seems rather clumsy. Unless the wars purpose is to kill as many humans as possible on the battlefield, there is NO way, in any army, that he would be assigned a front line combat command with a missing hand-sorry. If he volunteered, he might be accepted for a support role on earth, but thats about it. Secondly, he does not seem to be very good at his job. On the walk to the outpost, he orders his comm nco to higher ground, yet does not think to assign a section of troopers to cover him. Made worse, just moments earlier, he spies what could be enemy movement above him, but sends a single man up to high ground alone anyway. Then to top it all off, proceeds to 'mercy'(ie execute really) kill him when grabed by a flying bug. If Rasczak is such a good shot, even with his missing hand, he never tries to kill the bugs with his superior marksmenship, but targets his owm man instead, leaveing the bugs unmolested.Nor is any attempt made to recover his body,dog tags,anything, hes just left where he was. Later, at the outpost, hes shown as being prepared to execute a hysterical senior staff officer on the spot, with witnesses no less, with no authorization whatsoever. Im pretty sure Lieutenants executeing generals is generally frowned upon in most militaries. How he engenders such loyalty amoung his troops is a real headsctracher given his total lack of concern for there lives and enthusiasm for summary execution.
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** Lot of headscratching over him. First off, hes missing his hand, and the prosthetic hand he has seems rather clumsy. Unless the wars purpose is to kill as many humans as possible on the battlefield, there is NO way, in any army, that he would be assigned a front line combat command with a missing hand-sorry. If he volunteered, he might be accepted for a support role on earth, but thats about it. Secondly, he does not seem to be very good at his job. On the walk to the outpost, he orders his comm nco to higher ground, yet does not think to assign a section of troopers to cover him. Made worse, just moments earlier, he spies what could be enemy movement above him, but sends a single man up to high ground alone anyway. Then to top it all off, proceeds to 'mercy'(ie execute really) kill him when grabed by a flying bug. If Rasczak is such a good shot, even with his missing hand, he never tries to kill the bugs with his superior marksmenship, but targets his owm man instead, leaveing the bugs unmolested.Nor is any attempt made to recover his body,dog tags,anything, hes just left where he was. Later, at the outpost, hes shown as being prepared to execute a hysterical senior staff officer on the spot, with witnesses no less, with no authorization whatsoever. Im pretty sure Lieutenants executeing generals is generally frowned upon in most militaries. How he engenders such loyalty amoung his troops is a real headsctracher given his total lack of concern for there lives and enthusiasm for summary execution.execution.
*No one ever gets briefed in the Federation. No really. Captain Deladier(sp?) seems to have received some very cursory, and innacurate briefs about the invasion of Klendathu. However, she did not seem to feel it necessary to pass any of that information along to you know, her bridge crew. Presumeabley this is case thoughout the entire fleet as well. Carmen seems to have no idea what they should be expecting. Ricos unit officer also seems to not have been briefed either, provided with maps, or indeed, any sort of objectives or battle plan or the role of him and his troops in it, besides hit the ramp the screaming and fire at anything with more than 2 legs. The only briefing the troops get is on the way down. Which is rather funny thing to say, given the feds willingness to execeute there own on the spot for the slightest of reasons. As an aisde, if Carmen is such hot pilot, why could she not evade the rather slow moveing uhhh..plasma bolts. Even if the purpose of not briefing the fleet the bugs had ship killing capability was to intentionally cause the destruction of a few of its own ships, you would think she would be good enough to avoid a hit.
*No one ever gets briefed in the Federation. No really. Captain Deladier(sp?) seems to have received some very cursory, and innacurate briefs about the invasion of Klendathu. However, she did not seem to feel it necessary to pass any of that information along to you know, her bridge crew. Presumeabley this is case thoughout the entire fleet as well. Carmen seems to have no idea what they should be expecting. Ricos unit officer also seems to not have been briefed either, provided with maps, or indeed, any sort of objectives or battle plan or the role of him and his troops in it, besides hit the ramp the screaming and fire at anything with more than 2 legs. The only briefing the troops get is on the way down. Which is rather funny thing to say, given the feds willingness to execeute there own on the spot for the slightest of reasons. As an aisde, if Carmen is such hot pilot, why could she not evade the rather slow moveing uhhh..plasma bolts. Even if the purpose of not briefing the fleet the bugs had ship killing capability was to intentionally cause the destruction of a few of its own ships, you would think she would be good enough to avoid a hit.
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Lot of headscratching over him. First off, hes missing his hand, and the prosthetic hand he has seems rather clumsy. Unless the wars purpose is to kill as many humans as possible on the battlefield, there is NO way, in any army, that he would be assigned a front line combat command with a missing hand-sorry. If he volunteered, he might be accepted for a support role on earth, but thats about it. Secondly, he does not seem to be very good at his job. On the walk to the outpost, he orders his comm nco to higher ground, yet does not think to assign a section of troopers to cover him. Made worse, just moments earlier, he spies what could be enemy movement above him, but sends a single man up to high ground alone anyway. Then to top it all off, proceeds to 'mercy'(ie execute really) kill him when grabed by a flying bug. If Rasczak is such a good shot, even with his missing hand, he never tries to kill the bugs with his superior marksmenship, but targets his owm man instead, leaveing the bugs unmolested.Nor is any attempt made to recover his body,dog tags,anything, hes just left where he was. Later, at the outpost, hes shown as being prepared to execute a hysterical senior staff officer on the spot, with witnesses no less, with no authorization whatsoever. Im pretty sure Lieutenants executeing generals is generally frowned upon in most militaries. How he engenders such loyalty amoung his troops is a real headsctracher given his total lack of concern for there lives and enthusiasm for summary execution.
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Lot of headscratching over him. First off, hes missing his hand, and the prosthetic hand he has seems rather clumsy. Unless the wars purpose is to kill as many humans as possible on the battlefield, there is NO way, in any army, that he would be assigned a front line combat command with a missing hand-sorry. If he volunteered, he might be accepted for a support role on earth, but thats about it. Secondly, he does not seem to be very good at his job. On the walk to the outpost, he orders his comm nco to higher ground, yet does not think to assign a section of troopers to cover him. Made worse, just moments earlier, he spies what could be enemy movement above him, but sends a single man up to high ground alone anyway. Then to top it all off, proceeds to 'mercy'(ie execute really) kill him when grabed by a flying bug. If Rasczak is such a good shot, even with his missing hand, he never tries to kill the bugs with his superior marksmenship, but targets his owm man instead, leaveing the bugs unmolested.Nor is any attempt made to recover his body,dog tags,anything, hes just left where he was. Later, at the outpost, hes shown as being prepared to execute a hysterical senior staff officer on the spot, with witnesses no less, with no authorization whatsoever. Im pretty sure Lieutenants executeing generals is generally frowned upon in most militaries. How he engenders such loyalty amoung his troops is a real headsctracher given his total lack of concern for there lives and enthusiasm for summary execution.
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Lot of headscratching over him. First off, hes missing his hand, and the prosthetic hand he has seems rather clumsy. Unless the wars purpose is to kill as many humans as possible on the battlefield, there is NO way, in any army, that he would be assigned a front line combat command with a missing hand-sorry. If he volunteered, he might be accepted for a support role on earth, but thats about it. Secondly, he does not seem to be very good at his job. On the walk to the outpost, he orders his comm nco to higher ground, yet does not think to assign a section of troopers to cover him. Made worse, just moments earlier, he spies what could be enemy movement above him, but sends a single man up to high ground alone anyway. Then to top it all off, proceeds to 'mercy'(ie execute really) kill him when grabed by a flying bug. If Rasczak is such a good shot, even with his missing hand, he never tries to kill the bugs with his superior marksmenship, but targets his owm man instead, leaveing the bugs unmolested.Nor is any attempt made to recover his body,dog tags,anything, hes just left where he was. Later, at the outpost, hes shown as being prepared to execute a hysterical senior staff officer on the spot, with witnesses no less, with no authorization whatsoever. Im pretty sure Lieutenants executeing generals is generally frowned upon in most militaries. How he engenders such loyalty amoung his troops is a real headsctracher given his total lack of concern for there lives and enthusiasm for summary execution.
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*** In addition to the general in-effectiveness of the MI's main weapon, it is also a very large and bulky weapon. The current trend, IRL, has been to decrease the size and weight of infantry rifles. This isnt being done to make troopers lives easier, but to reduce fatigue. But this is mainly so they can carry more ammo. The MI's main weapon, even if they do use composities, still looks heavy, and also very clumsy to aim and fire. The prop bit that shows MI troopers handing out bullets to the children clearly indicates the weapons are not caseless, and the shell caseings are huge. Carrying any quantity of ammo for such a weapon would be beyond tireing. Especially for a force that has no motorized ground transport and seems to walk everywhere.
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*** In addition to the general in-effectiveness of the MI's main weapon, it is also a very large and bulky weapon. The current trend, IRL, has been to decrease the size and weight of infantry rifles. This isnt being done to make troopers lives easier, but to reduce fatigue. But this is mainly so they can carry more ammo. The MI's main weapon, even if they do use composities, still looks heavy, and also very clumsy to aim and fire. The prop bit that shows MI troopers handing out bullets to the children clearly indicates the weapons are not caseless, and the shell caseings are huge. Carrying any quantity of ammo for such a weapon would be beyond tireing. Especially for a force that has no motorized ground transport and seems to walk everywhere. Michael Ironsides Character is shown useing a small-compact carbine, it seems no less effective than the MI main rifle, is far easier to handle and fire, yet he seems to be only one that rates such a weapon.
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***In addition to the general in-effectiveness of the MI's main weapon, it is also a very large and bulky weapon. The current trend, IRL, has been to decrease the size and weight of infantry rifles. This isnt being done to make troopers lives easier, but to reduce fatigue. But this is mainly so they can carry more ammo. The MI's main weapon, even if they do use composities, still looks heavy, and also very clumsy to aim and fire. The prop bit that shows MI troopers handing out bullets to the children clearly indicates the weapons are not caseless, and the shell caseings are huge. Carrying any quantity of ammo for such a weapon would be beyond tireing. Especially for a force that has no motorized ground transport and seems to walk everywhere.
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* Is there a Trope that describes the piece of propaganda that showed a murderer being caught, tried, convicted, and executed, in, what was most likely, a span of 8 hours? Seriously, I get that the future is authoritarian, but that some uber-efficient justice.
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* Is there a Trope that describes the piece of propaganda that showed a murderer being caught, tried, convicted, and executed, in, what was most likely, a span of 8 hours? Seriously, I get that the future is authoritarian, but that some uber-efficient justice.justice.
** StrawmanHasAPoint?
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* Is there a Trope that describes the piece of propaganda that showed a murderer being caught, tried, convicted, and executed, in, what was most likely, a span of 8 hours? Seriously, I get that the future is authoritarian, but that some uber-efficient justice.
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** [[Fanon It's been argued]] (for the movie), precisely for this FTL reason, that this meteorite was either a deliberate inside job to further the Terrans need/want for war.
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** [[Fanon [[{{Fanon}} It's been argued]] (for the movie), precisely for this FTL reason, that this the meteorite was either a deliberate inside job to further the Terrans need/want for war.
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** [[Fanon It's been argued]] (for the movie), precisely for this FTL reason, that this meteorite was either a deliberate inside job to further the Terrans need/want for war.
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* What was the point (besides RuleOfDrama) in the arbitrary delay in firing the ''Rodger Young'''s emergency thrusters when approaching the asteroid? It seems like it should have been just effective firing them immediately (unless there's some technical reason I'm unaware of), it's especially bothersome when the delay caused the loss of the ship's communications, thus leading to the Buenos Aires disaster in the first place.
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**The bugs do have some kind of FTL ability becasue they are able to colonise other planets and they hit a ship moving at warp speed with their plasma in the third film.
* What was the point (besides RuleOfDrama) in the arbitrary delay in firing the ''Rodger Young'''s emergency thrusters when approaching the asteroid? It seems like it should have been just effective firing them immediately (unless there's some technical reason I'm unaware of), it's especially bothersome when the delay caused the loss of the ship's communications, thus leading to the Buenos Aires disaster in the firstplace.place
* What was the point (besides RuleOfDrama) in the arbitrary delay in firing the ''Rodger Young'''s emergency thrusters when approaching the asteroid? It seems like it should have been just effective firing them immediately (unless there's some technical reason I'm unaware of), it's especially bothersome when the delay caused the loss of the ship's communications, thus leading to the Buenos Aires disaster in the first
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***Carman had no way of knowing the asteroid would be there. And considering that they didn't notice it till it was right on top of them and noone else saw it till it struck Earth they probably wouldn't have noticed it if they'd continued on their first course.
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** Correction: The book NEVER mentions whether or not Bug technology is biologically based. The book DOES, however, mention that the Bugs are technologically advanced enough to build spaceships and outfit all of their warriors with beam weaponry.
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** The Movie was originally written as "Bug Hunt at Outpost 9". When the producers heard there was a book where people wage war on bugs, they bought the rights, changed the title, the names of a few characters, and wrote a couple of scenes from the book in. That is the extent to the novel's influence on the movie. Shame.
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*** A collision that took out the communications tower, preventing the ship from sending a warning back to Earth, thus resulting in the deaths of 8 million people. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nice job breaking it, Carmen.]]
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** In the book, the Bugs had giant biological transport ships; I play the RPG, which barrows from the movie, the book, and the show. Also, it's never proven that the Bugs sent the asteroid. It could have been a Gulf of Tonkin attack, so the government would have a reason to declare war against an enemy that wasn't a threat at all.
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** In the book, the Bugs had giant biological transport ships; I play the RPG, which barrows borrows from the movie, the book, and the show. Also, it's never proven that the Bugs sent the asteroid. It could have been a Gulf of Tonkin attack, so the government would have a reason to declare war against an enemy that wasn't a threat at all.all.
** The huge biological ships appear in the show. The asteroid was just fired with momentum, however. Either that or the conspiracy theory.
** The huge biological ships appear in the show. The asteroid was just fired with momentum, however. Either that or the conspiracy theory.
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*** It's not too hard to calculate where that coffin would go. It's probable that the coffin's trajectory would take it into a planet's atmosphere where it would burn up or out into extrasolar space where it would hardly be a bother to anyone.
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** Carmen alters the spaceship's course after only three weeks of traineeship, which leads to a collision with the asteroid, leaving the ship damaged. The captain says "thanks to Carmen" "lives have been saved" (there isn't any more damage). Praise for a beginner's mistake with dire consequences after being on board only for three weeks???
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** In the book, the Bugs had giant biological transport ships; I play the RPG, which barrows from the movie, the book, and the show. Also, it's never proven that the Bugs sent the asteroid. It could have been a Gulf of Tonkin attack, so the government would have a reason to declare war against an enemy that wasn't a threat at all.
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* If the bugs have no FTL capability, how are they able to attack Earth in the first place? It would've taken them hundreds of years to hurl an asteroid from a remote star system.
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* Was anyone else annoyed with how rushed the first film? I imagine Rico would have recorded his message to Carmen on his first night at camp. So, allow about a week or two for his message to get to Carmen. How is Carmen already qualified to fly a "half a million tons of starship" (God, I hate that line)? Did they use the Psychlo learning machine to train their pilots? Also, Zander signed up the day before her. How is HE already a flight instructor?
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** Besides, just look at the robots from the Star Wars prequels and how useful they were.
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*** It's a lot harder than it looks to HurlItIntoTheSun. To the point at hand: there's a lot of empty space in space, despite what the fleet scenes suggest. The odds of something ever coming into contact with the coffin are minute. The odds of finding out about it are even more improbable.
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** Probably, but then so would using the fighting suits from the book.
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** I don't know what film you were watching, but Rico fires 6 or 7 shots into ONE bug to bring it down then runs out of ammo shooting the second one. Buckshot has low penetration and rarely goes through body armor (to which I imagine bug carapace is similar in durability). If he and the rest of the MI use slugs to deal with the penetration issue, then they have to aim directly at the nerve stem and if they miss they have to fire another one of their shots, of which the Ithaca 37 (which is the actual gun used in the Marita props) only holds between 4 and 8 depending on model (probably 4 due to the length of the underbarrel but increased to about 10 or 12 in the film). In short, you either need {{ImprobableAimingSkills}} or you'd need to spend about half of your magazine taking down one bug, the other half taking down another then begin the painfully slow reload process of a pump shotgun all while thousands of other bugs are charging toward you and your mates. In standard MI squad size (4 people) that equates to about 8 dead bugs per 4 dead troopers.
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* Would using a robot or some type of combined arms to fight the bugs have killed this movie?
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*** The most egregious example of a scene being changed was the explanation of why they need to know how to use [[ChekhovsGun knives]] when they can just push a button to NukeEm. Even if the scene in the movie was [[RuleOfCool much more entertaining.]] In general, the "Based on the cover of the book" complaint is both overly snarky AND [[DeFictionalization Defictionalized]], with the books published after the movie came out featuring a modified version of the movie poster (making it a Book Cover Based On A Movie).
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*** We also see the shotgun used to take down one of the fliers (the one that ends up falling on the General). The fact that the shotgun is underutilized isn't any more egregious than the underutilization of any of their other weapons, including the Ba-Nuke-as and the bombers.
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**** More like the Marines, but whatever. Maybe the casket was recovered after the ceremony for proper disposal, or [[EpilepticTrees maybe the casket is a single-use cremation oven]] [[AwesomeButImpractical that burns itself up after it is launched.]]
