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* So they have the Attero Device that blows up Wraith starships that attempt to jump to hyperspace - however it has that nasty side effect of causing any Stargates that attempt to dial another blow up. However in SG-1 we say they had the ability to stop Stargates from successfully dialling out by scrambling the DHD programme so it dialled random, useless, addresses. Why not use this to your advantage? You send out the Virus that causes the gates to lock up as they dial every gate they can think of until every gate is unable to dial out except yours. You can then turn on the Attero device and fly around blowing up Wraith ships in huge numbers (either the Ancients or Terrans can easily mass enough ships to overwhelm the mostly scattered Hives). After the job is done you then use your gate to transmit the update that gets rid of the virus, which then transfers through the gate system as each gate "unlocked" randomly dials new gates. No Wraith, and no World Ending explosions.

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* So they have the Attero Device that blows up Wraith starships that attempt to jump to hyperspace - however it has that nasty side effect of causing any Stargates that attempt to dial another blow up. However in SG-1 we say they had the ability to stop Stargates from successfully dialling dialing out by scrambling the DHD programme program so it dialled dialed random, useless, addresses. Why not use this to your advantage? You send out the Virus that causes the gates to lock up as they dial every gate they can think of until every gate is unable to dial out except yours. You can then turn on the Attero device and fly around blowing up Wraith ships in huge numbers (either the Ancients or Terrans can easily mass enough ships to overwhelm the mostly scattered Hives). After the job is done you then use your gate to transmit the update that gets rid of the virus, which then transfers through the gate system as each gate "unlocked" randomly dials new gates. No Wraith, and no World Ending explosions.



** They didn't receive a time dilation device until the series finale of SG-1.
* Elizabeth's 'death' in 'Ghost in the Machine': Yes she needed to go through the gate first to convince the other replicators to follow, but afterwards what was preventing the team from ''going back and reactivating her?'' They did it for Niam, in 'Return' and considering Sheppards personal mantra of 'we don't leave anyone behind' it was totally out of character that he didn't make the effort for one of his closest friends.

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** They didn't receive a time dilation device until the series finale of SG-1.
* Elizabeth's 'death' in 'Ghost in the Machine': Yes she needed to go through the gate first to convince the other replicators to follow, but afterwards what was preventing the team from ''going back and reactivating her?'' They did it for Niam, in 'Return' and considering Sheppards Sheppard's personal mantra of 'we don't leave anyone behind' it was totally out of character that he didn't make the effort for one of his closest friends.



** Iguess, like the disintegration ability of the zat guns, it got phased out because the writers felt it would be too difficult for characters to realistically combat. On the other hand, perhaps it was so easy to combat (it didn't take long for the characters to get used to the fact that what they saw wasn't really there), that it became too ineffective to be worth using.

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** Iguess, I guess, like the disintegration ability of the zat guns, it got phased out because the writers felt it would be too difficult for characters to realistically combat. On the other hand, perhaps it was so easy to combat (it didn't take long for the characters to get used to the fact that what they saw wasn't really there), that it became too ineffective to be worth using.



** In the episode ''Irresponsbile'', Lucius beats up some guys while wearing it. And while they were working for him and therefore not trying to beat him, he did end up breaking one guy's wrist and another guy's tooth while clearly not punching very hard. So I think not only doesn't cancel out the wearer's attacks, but actually augments them.

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** In the episode ''Irresponsbile'', ''Irresponsible'', Lucius beats up some guys while wearing it. And while they were working for him and therefore not trying to beat him, he did end up breaking one guy's wrist and another guy's tooth while clearly not punching very hard. So I think not only doesn't cancel out the wearer's attacks, but actually augments them.



** Knowing Rodney, he probably introduced himself as Rodney [=McKay=] and tried to get away with it. The military would have to find out his real name from his ID but that would only be the people who first looked into him, not the people he subsequently met and introduced himself to. He certainly wouldn't put Meredith on his application. If the military wrote a profile of him they'd probably refer to him mostly by his surname or as Rodney (to avoid confusion, since that's what he calls himself). Any references he had would call him Rodney since that's what they know him as. His full name probably would be included as a footnote or under a list of aliases in a file somewhere, but given the sheer number of applicants and things to consider about them, it wouldn't be given a position of prominence and Weir and Shepherd could easily have missed it.

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** Knowing Rodney, he probably introduced himself as Rodney [=McKay=] and tried to get away with it. The military would have to find out his real name from his ID but that would only be the people who first looked into him, not the people he subsequently met and introduced himself to. He certainly wouldn't put Meredith on his application. If the military wrote a profile of him they'd probably refer to him mostly by his surname or as Rodney (to avoid confusion, since that's what he calls himself). Any references he had would call him Rodney since that's what they know him as. His full name probably would be included as a footnote or under a list of aliases in a file somewhere, but given the sheer number of applicants and things to consider about them, it wouldn't be given a position of prominence and Weir and Shepherd Sheppard could easily have missed it.



*** The idea was referenced during "Travelers". Shepherd was using a Traveler weapon at the time and was in close proximity so the same threat may not work if he were using Earth weapons or firing from a distance. Still, basically what he did was to sneak up behind a Wraith and stick a gun in his neck and the Wraith certainly took it seriously. "I see that you've just fed, which means that your regeneration powers are at their highest, but I seriously doubt you can grow a new head."
** Lt Ford did it in the pilot, he shot a Wraith soldier in the head to save Shepherd from the Wraith Queen. That was the only time though, whilst the above poster is right they are tough to pull off there are countless times when it was at least worth a try. The Super Wraith advancing slowly on Rodney is one, another is where Colonel Everett is blasting a Wraith with his pistol at point blank range, you surely can't miss at that distance.

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*** The idea was referenced during "Travelers". Shepherd Sheppard was using a Traveler weapon at the time and was in close proximity so the same threat may not work if he were using Earth weapons or firing from a distance. Still, basically what he did was to sneak up behind a Wraith and stick a gun in his neck and the Wraith certainly took it seriously. "I see that you've just fed, which means that your regeneration powers are at their highest, but I seriously doubt you can grow a new head."
** Lt Ford did it in the pilot, he shot a Wraith soldier in the head to save Shepherd Sheppard from the Wraith Queen. That was the only time though, whilst the above poster is right they are tough to pull off there are countless times when it was at least worth a try. The Super Wraith advancing slowly on Rodney is one, another is where Colonel Everett is blasting a Wraith with his pistol at point blank range, you surely can't miss at that distance.
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** They didn't receive a time dilation device until the series finale of SG-1.
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** The Wraith threw asteroids at orbital nuclear mines, rendering observation satellites useless from the resulting electromagnetic radiation and giving the wraith a chance to sneak in undetected. SAM missiles might have trouble navigating in such conditions. Additionally, the railguns were originally meant to be installed on the Prometheus, meaning that this tech was some of the best that Earth had to offer at the time and wasn't going to be needed elsewhere.
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** The Avenger virus caused a ''big'' problem when it was first used - Ba'al was able to reverse-engineer it pretty quickly and modify it for his own ends, nearly leaving Earth and its allies stranded across the galaxy. Presumably no one would have wanted to risk going through that headache again.
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** The problem is that ZPM's are literally orders of magnitude more powerful than even the most advanced Naquadah reactors. A single one is shown to be capable of powering a massive time-dilation field for 10,000+ years without any indication of depletion, while another enables a starship to travel back and forth between galaxies in a matter of days. Later, that same ZPM is demonstrated to be capable of holding under sustained fire from nine Wraith hive-ships and dozens of cruisers for days on end, then still has the power needed to propel the city through hyperspace after enduring hours of bombardment from a Replicator satellite weapon. A large number of Naquadah reactors might be able to ''temporarily'' match the output of one ZPM, but even the MK II versions need to be virtually overloaded in order to supply this much energy, with no indications that they have anywhere near the longevity of a ZPM. The comparison is like having a nuclear reactor that fits into a briefcase, and trying to match the output of said nuclear reactor with truck batteries.
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** Just because it is currently in a set of dimensions that feature a lot of Atlantises it doesn't mean that was always the case. But even if we take it as fact that there was an Atlantis every other world, that does not also automatically mean that they were necessarily a better alternative to staying on board until the last minute. How many of these alternate Atlantises had been conquered/inhabited by the Wraith? Or by the Asurans? Or by the Goa'uld? Or by the Nazis? Or by evil counterparts of themselves? Or was an Atlantis built by Ancients that breathed carbon dioxide instead of oxygen? Or were a set of bombed out/diseased/flooded ruins on a barely habitable planet? Or by just about any other kind of threat that you can imagine. Stargate subscribes to the infinite universes with infinite possibilities theory, so for every Atlantis they come across, there is an equal chance of it being a paradise, or about the same, or Hell. I think that may explain both teams. They both stayed far too long trying to fix the problem (as our team points out) and when the call finally came to escape, they were presented with a string of bad choices.
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* '''The Daedelus Variations''': The Daedelus always emerges in the same place. It jumps alternate realities every few minutes. Dimensional variations containing an atlantis appear to be not very uncommon. So why did the alternate Sheppard's team choose to stay until they died of hunger, rather than taking a chance on an alternate atlantis? For that matter, why did the original crew strand themselves on an uninhabited, stargate-less world, rather than waiting for an atlantis?
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** Lt Ford did it in the pilot, he shot a Wraith soldier in the head to save Shepherd from the Wraith Queen. That was the only time though, whilst the above poster is right they are tough to pull off there are countless times when it was at least worth a try. The Super Wraith advancing slowly on Rodney is one, another is where Colonel Everett is blasting a Wraith with his pistol at point blank range, you surely can't miss at that distance.

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** Iguess, like the disintegration ability of the zat guns, it got phased out because the writers felt it would be too difficult for characters to realistically combat. On the other hand, perhaps it was so easy to combat (it didn't take long fr the characters to get used to the fact that what they saw wasn't really there), that it became too ineffective to be worth using.

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** Iguess, like the disintegration ability of the zat guns, it got phased out because the writers felt it would be too difficult for characters to realistically combat. On the other hand, perhaps it was so easy to combat (it didn't take long fr for the characters to get used to the fact that what they saw wasn't really there), that it became too ineffective to be worth using.using.
** There is also the theory that it's because the Wraith seen in the pilot were able to properly feed so they were more powerful. This also explains why they were much tougher to kill in the pilot and series 1, but as the Wraith were woken up too soon there simply want enough food so they got weaker and weaker as time went on. The Wraith civil war started in season 2 so the lack of food reaching crisis point matches up with the depowering of the Wraith.
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* While the SGC was a US military organization, the SGA is under the authority of the IOA, an organization that's not just civilian, but also international, with Russia and China having a lot of political clout (presumably because of their permanent UN security council positions, though France weirdly doesn't come up as often). So how is it that the english-speaking countries so dominate the command structure? The expedition leaders have all been from the US, the head of the science divisions is Canadian, the heads of medical have been from the UK and US, the head of the gateroom technicians is from the US and the military seems to be exclusively US. As far as I know, we only see a single character not from an english-speaking country who is confirmed to hold any rank whatsoever, and that's Zelenka, who seems to have only gotten that position at some point after the first season.
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** Having been in the military myself, in general they don't put one's full name on documents. It's usually Firstname Initial Lastname, or Initial Middlename Lastname if the person uses the latter. So most of the documents about him would identify him as M. Rodney McKay (or possibly even Rodney M. McKay, if he applied that way). Only the application for his security clearance would have his full name, and those would be sitting in a government file cabinet somewhere with a million other forms just like it. I knew a guy (Top Secret clearance, military) with three names and a last name, he went by one of his middle names, and the paperwork I saw said "R. M. Eric <Surname>", so...

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** Having been in the military myself, in general they don't put one's full name on documents. It's usually Firstname Initial Lastname, or Initial Middlename Lastname if the person uses the latter. So most of the documents about him would identify him as M. Rodney McKay Mc Kay (or possibly even Rodney M. McKay, Mc Kay, if he applied that way). Only the application for his security clearance would have his full name, and those would be sitting in a government file cabinet somewhere with a million other forms just like it. I knew a guy (Top Secret clearance, military) with three names and a last name, he went by one of his middle names, and the paperwork I saw said "R. M. Eric <Surname>", so...
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** Having been in the military myself, in general they don't put one's full name on documents. It's usually Firstname Initial Lastname, or Initial Middlename Lastname if the person uses the latter. So most of the documents about him would identify him as M. Rodney McKay (or possibly even Rodney M. McKay, if he applied that way). Only the application for his security clearance would have his full name, and those would be sitting in a government file cabinet somewhere with a million other forms just like it. I knew a guy (Top Secret clearance, military) with three names and a last name, he went by one of his middle names, and the paperwork I saw said "R. M. Eric <Surname>", so...
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** The episode shows the Wraith stop before feeding on him. Nowhere is it even implied that the Wraith *couldn't* feed on him. It was Ronon's defiance in the face of being fed on that got the Wraith interested, so he decided to use him for entertainment rather than food. At the time, the Wraith weren't exactly starving or hurting for food.
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** Perhaps the Pegasus gates had an extra security feature to prevent cutoffs. I don't recall any instances of stuff getting cut off in the Atlantis series. Or perhaps it's fine with small stuff sticking out (like air hoses), but not gate filling ships. But both ideas are at best not mentioned by the transcript at http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s1/transcripts/104.shtml Anyway, MST3K, man.

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** Perhaps the Pegasus gates had an extra security feature to prevent cutoffs. I don't recall any instances of stuff getting cut off in the Atlantis series. Or perhaps it's fine with small stuff sticking out (like air hoses), but not gate filling ships. But both ideas are at best not mentioned by the transcript at http://www.gateworld.net/atlantis/s1/transcripts/104.shtml Anyway, MST3K, {{MST3K|Mantra}}, man.
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** "Rod" kinda explains this when he arrives. He already knows what the source of the problem is, because his team was considering trying the same thing. His team put 2 and 2 together and pretty much knew it was an alternate Atlantis team doing what his team had already considered. It was "they're trying this, they're just assuming our universe isn't inhabited, better pop on over there and tell them that it is".
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*** They may not have been invented by different races. It's STRONGLY implied that Reese's (the android who created the MW/Ida replicators) "father" (creator) was one of the Ancient scientists on the Asuran project, and that he built her after the Ancients fled Pegasus (which was not too long after the Asurans). And that she was built with SOME of their nanotechnology, but she wasn't made entirely out of nanites like the Asurans were. That very neatly explains why the replicators she created eventually went the same direction the Asurans did.

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*** They may not have been invented by different races. It's STRONGLY implied that Reese's (the android who created the MW/Ida replicators) "father" (creator) was one of the Ancient scientists on the Asuran project, and that he built her after the Ancients fled Pegasus (which was not too long after the Asurans). And that she was built with SOME of their nanotechnology, but she wasn't made entirely out of nanites like the Asurans were. That very neatly explains why the replicators she created eventually went the same direction the Asurans did. Reese was basically an android, with Asuran nanites in her "bloodstream", but without all of their capabilities. This very handily explains why both the Asurans and the replicators she created were vulnerable to the ARG.
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*** They may not have been invented by different races. It's STRONGLY implied that Reese's (the android who created the MW/Ida replicators) "father" (creator) was one of the Ancient scientists on the Asuran project. And that she was built with SOME of their nanotechnology, but she wasn't made entirely out of nanites like the Asurans were. That very neatly explains why the replicators she created eventually went the same direction the Asurans did.

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*** They may not have been invented by different races. It's STRONGLY implied that Reese's (the android who created the MW/Ida replicators) "father" (creator) was one of the Ancient scientists on the Asuran project.project, and that he built her after the Ancients fled Pegasus (which was not too long after the Asurans). And that she was built with SOME of their nanotechnology, but she wasn't made entirely out of nanites like the Asurans were. That very neatly explains why the replicators she created eventually went the same direction the Asurans did.
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*** They may not have been invented by different races. It's STRONGLY implied that Reese's (the android who created the MW/Ida replicators) "father" (creator) was one of the Ancient scientists on the Asuran project. And that she was built with SOME of their nanotechnology, but she wasn't made entirely out of nanites like the Asurans were. That very neatly explains why the replicators she created eventually went the same direction the Asurans did.
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*** There MAY be hope for the future, however, because the buyer of all of the props and gear is none other than David Hewlett (aka Rodney Mckay).
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** This was explained in the episode. When they agreed to let the former "ascended" replicators build new bodies for themselves, one of the conditions was that Rodney modify the nanite code so they wouldn't be able to shapeshift/impersonate other people, and they wouldn't have the T1000-style self-repair abilities that human form replicators normally had. So basically, Rodney made it so they couldn't shapeshift or repair themselves, meaning that the shotguns WERE a threat to them.
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**** The idea was referenced during "Travelers". Shepherd was using a Traveler weapon at the time and was in close proximity so the same threat may not work if he were using Earth weapons or firing from a distance. Still, basically what he did was to sneak up behind a Wraith and stick a gun in his neck and the Wraith certainly took it seriously. "I see that you've just fed, which means that your regeneration powers are at their highest, but I seriously doubt you can grow a new head."
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** Knowing Rodney, he probably introduced himself as Rodney [=McKay=] and tried to get away with it. The military would have to find out his real name from his ID but that would only be the people who first looked into him, not the people he subsequently met and introduced himself to. He certainly wouldn't put Meredith on his application. If the military wrote a profile of him they'd probably refer to him mostly by his surname or as Rodney (to avoid confusion, since that's what he calls himself). Any references he had would call him Rodney since that's what they know him as. His full name probably would be included as a footnote or under a list of aliases in a file somewhere, but given the sheer number of applicants and things to consider about them, it wouldn't be given a position of prominence and Weir and Shepherd could easily have missed it.
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** It's a point worth considering. The best response I could give is that originally the field was generated by the ship's shield which would have meant it was projected outside of the ship, not inside. By the time Elizabeth left the ship the Replicators seemed to be developing an immunity to it and it's possible she'd developed it too (automatically due to a link between her cells and theirs).
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**** The Wraith normally use energy weapons but have been shown to use projectile weapons when they're all that's available to them (like when their own weapons are damages and they have to steal a weapon from a victim). While it might have seemed strange that a Wraith would have been using one, it's unlikely to have seemed so odd that he couldn't incorporate it in his delusion.

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**** The Wraith normally use energy weapons but have been shown to use projectile weapons when they're all that's available to them (like when their own weapons are damages damaged and they have to steal a weapon from a victim). While it might have seemed strange that a Wraith would have been using one, it's unlikely to have seemed so odd that he couldn't incorporate it in his delusion.
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** Though in theory it's a terrible idea, given the number of times when the main teams end up relying on having all of the top skills on their respective planet together on relatively minor missions in order to get out alive, it makes a certain amount of sense. While you're in a lot of trouble if all of the main team is killed, you can virtually guarantee that if they're together they won't be. Based around the number of times they'd almost gotten themselves killed even while working together, logically if you'd taken them each and paired them with an inferior team they would have been killed. Of course, if adventuring in the galaxy were written consistently as being as dangerous for each of the different teams then the rest of the teams should all just have gotten themselves killed off pretty quickly.


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**** The Wraith normally use energy weapons but have been shown to use projectile weapons when they're all that's available to them (like when their own weapons are damages and they have to steal a weapon from a victim). While it might have seemed strange that a Wraith would have been using one, it's unlikely to have seemed so odd that he couldn't incorporate it in his delusion.
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***** That comes down to your definition of canon. Anyone could write something which doesn't contradict canon and, if there's not going to be any further shows, they could consider it to be part of their personal canon. If your definition of canon is only those things which are accepted by all or virtually all the show's fandom as being part of canon then only stuff in the television series/movies meets that criteria. If your definition includes some other medium, such as the novels, which don't contradict the shows then you can choose to include them. However, the official shared canon does not include the books (hence why some people will include them and some people will not) which is why several Stargate sites do not accept information from the books in their articles.
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***** While the Wraith do need to eat people to survive, they don't seem eager to attempt to change that situation. For thousands of years, even with technology which allowed them to have a chance fighting the Ancients (including good knowledge of genetics) they have just relied up culling worlds to keep them going. They didn't seem to make any efforts to modify existing animal species to be more human and therefore a food source or genetically engineer humans to give them an unintelligent food source (both better for the humans and safer for them). It's like if humans had to resort to cannibalism to survive that wouldn't make them evil, but if they then decide that since cannibalism works they won't try to get other food sources then that would.
***** Besides, if anything they're hunters rather than farmers. Farmers are required to feed and care for their stock, protecting them from predators and keeping them safe through harsh weather in order that they get the best yield out of the land that they can. If the Wraith actually farmed humans they could probably meet their food supplies a lot more efficiently than by just going where there are humans and eating them.
****** Regarding the issue of the Goa'uld, while it was stated to be the case in that episode, I don't recall seeing any evidence that the Goa'uld actually required humans to survive. On their original homeworld there were shown to be "wild" Goa'uld in the waters. Goa'uld have also been kept alive in tanks and could leave their hosts and still survive. They needed humans to walk and talk but not to survive. Even then, like with the Wraith, it was never shown that the Goa'uld couldn't have used an unintelligent human-like (or Unas-like) host and have them work just as well. The Asgard could apparently clone bodies to have consciousnesses implanted in them (and so could humans do so with an Asgard body at one point) but prior to the implantation they were basically blank. It's entirely possible that if the Goa'uld had taken the time to develop such a thing, they could have survived perfectly fine in bodies that didn't belong to any consciousness before them.
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*** But in the early seasons, the Wraith are damn near invincible (sometimes requiring heavy explosives to kill) but are stunned by a burst to the chest, why not follow up with a couple shots in the head? Police are taught the Mozambique Drill, you would think that at least one of the military personnel would suggest or try it. And how many times were the Earthlings faced with the faking dead technique by the Wraith? Once they're on the ground (faking dead or not), shot them in the head once or twice to make sure they don't get back up.
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** RealityIsUnrealistic. Head shots, even at point blank range, are hard to pull off and have a record of not being the best way to even kill other humans let alone space vampires. It might take a lot of shots in the center of mass to put a Wraith down, but it is a better bet than trying to pull off a headshot.
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* Did any of the Atlantis personnel '''''ever''''' try shooting a Wraith in the head? Sure, they can regenerate, but can they regenerate their own brain after a burst of 5.7 mm bullets from a P90 goes through it?

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