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[[WMG: WHY do Goa'uld ships need pyramids to land on?]]
So Daniel's big theory, the one that got him laughed out of academia but turned out to be right, is that the Egyptian pyramids we're built not as tombs for Pharaohs but as landing pads for alien spacecraft. Why would an alien race build a ship this way? Can Ra's ship ONLY land on top of a pyramid? If it can land elsewhere, what's the point of pyramids?
So Daniel's big theory, the one that got him laughed out of academia but turned out to be right, is that the Egyptian pyramids we're built not as tombs for Pharaohs but as landing pads for alien spacecraft. Why would an alien race build a ship this way? Can Ra's ship ONLY land on top of a pyramid? If it can land elsewhere, what's the point of pyramids?
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** Worth mentioning if we take the SGU explanation into account the Goa'uld are incredibly narcissistic due to excessive use of the sarcophagi to the point they believe their own hype. Most willingly delude themselves when confronted with information that challenges their belief they're the pinnacle form of life. Ra probably just had the location wiped from his computers and pretended that Earth didn't exist with Abydos being the source of humans to preserve his pride, until he was forced to acknowledge reality by the SG teams arrival which would be why he's constantly irritable veiled behind grace.
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* It's entirely possible after the initial rebellion a human simply took over Ra's position claiming to be him using whatever was left and usable of Ra's empire after the alien fled. It wouldn't be the first time revolutionaries turned into the new ruling class nor that they'd used the exact same source of authority to justify being in charge. As long as new Ra was sufficiently nicer then old Ra and his inner circle of rebels kept their mouths shut within a generation or two the original would be forgotten.
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**** More like changing the settings for what it's doing at a given time based upon whether it's got to function as entry or exit.
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* They needed him to translate the activation sequence. They might have already figured out that it was a gateway of some sort but weren't able to activate it without his help. And some of the higher ups thought they could keep Daniel in the dark about the existence of the gate. When the one guy blurted out that there was an "artifact" Catherine used it as an excuse to go over the "treat Daniel like a mushroom" faction's heads.
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[[WMG:The scene where Daniel is finally introduced to the Stargate makes no sense.]]
Just got done watching the Netflix version of this movie. It's my introduction to the franchise, so forgive me if this is explained in a spin-off series, but when Daniel is finished drawing his six-points-and-origin diagram and they raise the wall it happens to be on, we see not only that they decided to place the stargate right next to their meeting room rather than in a laboratory somewhere, but also that they already have walkways and grates set up in front of the thing for people to walk up to the hole in the middle. Which means that they've already figured out that this object is a device that generates wormholes for the purpose of transporting individual users walking through it (you'd think that the Ancients would've made them a lot bigger so as to be able to transport vehicles and cargo too, but whatever). So why do they even need Daniel in the first place if they were able to figure ''that'' much out all on their own? How would they be able to figure out that it's a wormhole generator if they haven't even figured out how to turn the thing on yet?
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*** If that were the case then wouldn't each location need two of them, one "entry" gate and one "exit" gate?
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** When Ra's ship landed on the pyramid, there was some time when they would initially BE surprised,but as trained soldiers they shouldn't have STAYED surprised and would have fallen back on their combat training. Being special forces,even w/ Ra's men's somewhat superior weaponry,they should have made a better showing than they did.
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** When Ra's ship landed on the pyramid, there was some time when they would initially BE surprised,but surprised, but as trained soldiers they shouldn't have STAYED surprised and would have fallen back on their combat training. Being special forces,even forces, even w/ Ra's men's somewhat superior weaponry,they weaponry, they should have made a better showing than they did.
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[[WMG: The "special forces" in Stargate weren't particularly "special", were they?]] Despite being better armed (with automatic weapons) than Ra's forces and having the element of surprise,they still got beat down.
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[[WMG: The "special forces" in Stargate weren't particularly "special", were they?]] Despite being better armed (with automatic weapons) than Ra's forces and having the element of surprise,they surprise, they still got beat down.
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* Plus, it may also be worth considering that he just hadn't properly adapted to the idea that the Earth team would have the nerve to use it like that. After all, most Goa'uld keep their planets at a low technological level so that they don't realise their 'gods' are anything but; Ra could have become so used to the idea that people wouldn't dare attack him that he just didn't take into account that Jack and Daniel could use the teleporters to send the bomb up to him like they did.
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* He probably had the means to, but his first concern was getting off the planet. He may have also been injured in his fight with Daniel and just not thinking whether or not to lock the doors on his way out.
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*** The implicit reason is that the sending gate has to disassemble the object and the receiving gate reassemble it and each gate can only do the one function, but because energy doesn;t doesn't need to be disassembled and reassembled to be sent it can go both ways.
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[[WMG:Why didn't Ra shut down the teleporters to his ship]]
Ra knew he had lost control of the situation on the surface, so why didn't he block teleporting between his ship and the surface? Did he not have any means to?
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** If Ra could not trust his own guards, he would have far bigger problems than the possibility of a slave uprising
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** '''Ra banned reading and writing on Abydos to prevent the masses from remembering the truth.''' But there was the scene where Daniel learns that Abydan is Egptian which has changed over the millenia. Daniel points to the hiroglyph for "god" and says "neter", Shahrey says "notcher"; Daniel points to the glyph for "altar" and says "hetep", Shahrey says "khotep".
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** '''Ra banned reading and writing on Abydos to prevent the masses from remembering the truth.''' But there was the scene where Daniel learns that Abydan is Egptian which has changed over the millenia. Daniel points to the hiroglyph for "god" and says "neter", Shahrey Shau'ri says "notcher"; Daniel points to the glyph for "altar" and says "hetep", Shahrey Shau'ri says "khotep".
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[[WMG: What exactly are the pilots screaming as they're strafing the city?]]
Not a major headscratcher, but I'm going to guess that they're berating the city for accepting false emissaries?
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**That always irritated me as well. The DHD is shown to have a double ring of address character keys, and the big red button in the middle. To dial the gate, you enter the seven symbols, then press the big red button. What happens if you dial the seven symbols but don't press the big red button? Do the rings spin and the wormhole opens when the sequence is completed, and the red button functions as a "speed dial" that forces the connection immediately? Does it sit there waiting for the user to press the button, petering out after awhile?
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Col. O'Neill brings along a backpack-sized nuke as a failsafe to protect Earth from attack through the Stargate. Such devices don't generally have a huge yield, and in this case certainly wouldn't need it, being just a few feet away from the thing they want to destroy. So we're looking at a few kilotons, ''tops''. Ra wants to send it back with a payload of naquadah to "increase its power a hundred fold" in order to destroy human civilization. Assuming an original yield of about 5 kilotons (which is really quite generous), that would put it at around the middle-range of our own strategic nuclear weapons arsenal, and would be detonated in a remote military bunker underneath a mountain. Apart from the poor saps in the bunker itself, would there even be so much as a single casualty? Even allowing for a little poetic license, Ra would have to increase the yield by ''another'' factor of 100 to even reach the high end of our weaponry, and a ''further'' 100 beyond that just to start getting into ''low-end'' civilization-ending events (wouldn't even be listed on TheOtherWiki's list of significant asteroid impacts). The Chicxulub impact 65 million years ago was a further ''20,000'' times more powerful still. Either Ra thinks Earth's entire civilization is clustered within a few dozen kilometers around the Stargate, or he is severely overestimating our ability to pack an EarthShatteringKaboom into a tiny package.
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Col. O'Neill brings along a backpack-sized nuke as a failsafe to protect Earth from attack through the Stargate. Such devices don't generally have a huge yield, and in this case certainly wouldn't need it, being just a few feet away from the thing they want to destroy. So we're looking at a few kilotons, ''tops''. Ra wants to send it back with a payload of naquadah to "increase its power a hundred fold" in order to destroy human civilization. Assuming an original yield of about 5 kilotons (which is really quite generous), that would put it at around the middle-range of our own strategic nuclear weapons arsenal, and would be detonated in a remote military bunker underneath a mountain. Apart from the poor saps in the bunker itself, would there even be so much as a single casualty? Even allowing for a little poetic license, Ra would have to increase the yield by ''another'' factor of 100 to even reach the high end of our weaponry, and a ''further'' 100 beyond that just to start getting into ''low-end'' civilization-ending events (wouldn't even be listed on TheOtherWiki's Wiki/TheOtherWiki's list of significant asteroid impacts). The Chicxulub impact 65 million years ago was a further ''20,000'' times more powerful still. Either Ra thinks Earth's entire civilization is clustered within a few dozen kilometers around the Stargate, or he is severely overestimating our ability to pack an EarthShatteringKaboom into a tiny package.
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** This is most likely a case of mistaken meaning. In the classic sense, whenever something is incresed by a fold (like the well known sevenfold revenge God took on Cain for murder), it's not a straight multiplication, it's an ''exponential''. So increasing the nuke's power a hundredfold isn't multiplying by a hundred, it's increasing by a power of one hundred. Which, even starting from a kiloton nuke, would probably be enough to glass the surface of the planet ''at least''. To be fair, that degree of expansion is ridiculous, but that's probably RuleOfDrama in action.
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*** Bit of a strawman academic polemic there. The general rule in academia is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and longstanding academic theories are overturned quite regularly once they are properly backed up (look at the theory of plate tectonics which was counter to accepted theories at the time introduced, but accepted as the science backs it up). Daniel doesn't have extraordinary evidence at hand, no newly discovered hieroglyphic records, no radiological dating evidence, no real archaeological evidence and seems to mostly spin older evidence into a new form. The real surprise is that anyone showed up to begin with given he had nothing new.
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** Indeed. The upper circles of academia can be almost like conservative religion. If you don't have a mountain of proof for a divergent theory (and sometimes even if you do), good luck getting anyone to take even a plausible and rational idea seriously. This is more common in the "softer" sciences, since you can't really observe or measure them in the way you can a chemical element or physics equation. Also, this troper was left with the impression, even on first viewing, that Daniel Jackson had already mentioned some unpopular ideas about ''who'' actually built the pyramids, and the guy asking it in his presentation intended it as an ArmorPiercingQuestion. This is also a common, if underhanded, tactic in academic debate: discredit the scientist, discredit the theory. There are a few subtle hints in the film that Jackson had previously stated he was a proponent of an AncientAstronauts theory, most notably in the scene where Catherine approaches him to work on the Stargate. If memory serves, she actually offers him the opportunity to prove his theories are right (i.e., aliens actually did build the pyramids, thousands of years before accepted academic theory states they were built.)
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*It's even worse on the return trip. Daniel and Sha're found a cartouche containing Earth's address, but the seventh symbol is "worn off." They now KNOW the behavior of the gate system, and they know the point of origin symbol isn't one of the ones in the address. That means they have to try at most 33 times to open the gate.
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*Given that they didn't know how the gate worked or what the symbols were, the behavior of the gate should have been a guide. When you hook the gate up and dial the six symbols they had, the gate starts with the second chevron from the bottom left, then second from bottom right, and works up the gate. That would leave the top chevron sitting there unlit. That would suggest to me a combination lock with a 7 digit code, and I know six of the numbers. I would then try randomly dialing a 7 digit code starting with the 6 given symbols and then trying the remaining 33 in sequence (since the given symbols don't repeat and the series establishes the gate has 39 symbols). Had that failed, I would then probably try 8 or 9 digit codes since there are nine chevrons on the gate.
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** The "It's your call" line from O'Neill was in the ''original'' theatrical release, it's only the director's cut that makes it "He's full of shit." Not sure why the change, unless it was to ratchet up the conflict between Danial and the Colonel from step 1. Either way, this is not an indication that the General ''knows'' Jackson can or can't activate the Gate from the other side, since how the hell would O'Neill know he could or couldn't either? The revised line merely indicates Jack's skepticism and/or pessimism about Daniel.
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*** Fossilized aliens found near the gate are not proof of a current threat. They are proof of a ''past'' threat. Actually, they're not even proof of that because until they actually met Ra and found out what an asshole he was they had no reason to believe the aliens were hostile.
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** A little FridgeLogic might indicate a simple shift in mentality of the situation, combined with the adrenaline rush of the nuke about to go off combined with the battle having just ended. Basically, think of it from the perspective of the bomber pilot versus the special forces soldier. The special forces soldier kills face to face, often at close range sometimes with a blade or other melee weapon. He sees the faces of the enemies he kills and has to live with and[=/=]or justify his actions. Killing children would be abhorrent to him as they represent the future of a given civilization (even if said civilization is going to end up becoming a destroyer of worlds). The bomber pilot on the other hand kills far more people in one strike with a bomb drop, yet because he never sees any of the victims of his strike, he has a clearer conscience about the situation. It may not be any more morally just, but it is all a matter of perspective.
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*** Right. Remember, it's both gates linking up, not just the dialing gate tossing a wormhole out there. The seventh chevron probably tells the receiving gate "Here's where I am" to prevent the wormhole from drifting.
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** You'd prefer he let Ra nuke Earth just so he could feel better about his moral superiority? Ra wasn't in the process of nuking Earth the first time, the second time he was.
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*** It probably had more power in it than that, Ra had linked his ship's systems up to it so he could dial Earth, it probably had decently full backup batteries.
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