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28th Apr '18 8:47:44 PM Sharlee
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** For all we know, Owen or Beru ''did'' have a brother who was a navigator on a spice freighter, and who was deceased by the time Luke was old enough to ask them about his parentage. He just didn't happen to be Luke's father. As to why Owen and Beru might have not wanted to tell Luke that he was ''their'' son, neither Obi-Wan nor Yoda could have expected they'd have to wait ''two decades'' before they could try to take down Palpatine again, or even that Luke would remain safely concealed on Tatooine for that long. It's ''very'' likely that when he handed baby Luke over to the Lars couple, Obi-Wan warned them that he'd probably have to come back and take the boy away again, for training and/or safety, at any moment. In which case, raising the boy as their son would've only made it harder to have to give him up again, both for Luke himself and for his adoptive parents.

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** For all we know, Owen or Beru ''did'' have a brother who was a navigator on a spice freighter, and who was deceased by the time Luke was old enough to ask them about his parentage. He just didn't happen to be Luke's father. As to why Owen and Beru might have not wanted to tell Luke that he was ''their'' son, neither Obi-Wan nor Yoda could have expected they'd have to wait ''two decades'' before they could try to take down Palpatine again, or even that Luke would remain safely concealed on Tatooine for that long. It's ''very'' likely that when he handed baby Luke over to the Lars couple, Obi-Wan warned them that he'd probably have to come back and take the boy away again, for training and/or safety, at any moment. In which case, raising the boy as their son would've only made it harder to have to give him up again, both for Luke himself and for his adoptive parents.
28th Apr '18 4:53:12 PM Sharlee
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** For all we know, Owen or Beru ''did'' have a brother who was a navigator on a spice freighter, and who was deceased by the time Luke was old enough to ask them about his parentage. He just didn't happen to be Luke's father.

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** For all we know, Owen or Beru ''did'' have a brother who was a navigator on a spice freighter, and who was deceased by the time Luke was old enough to ask them about his parentage. He just didn't happen to be Luke's father. As to why Owen and Beru might have not wanted to tell Luke that he was ''their'' son, neither Obi-Wan nor Yoda could have expected they'd have to wait ''two decades'' before they could try to take down Palpatine again, or even that Luke would remain safely concealed on Tatooine for that long. It's ''very'' likely that when he handed baby Luke over to the Lars couple, Obi-Wan warned them that he'd probably have to come back and take the boy away again, for training and/or safety, at any moment. In which case, raising the boy as their son would've only made it harder to have to give him up again, both for Luke himself and for his adoptive parents.
28th Apr '18 4:42:32 PM Sharlee
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*** For all we know, Owen or Beru ''did'' have a brother who was a navigator on a spice freighter, and who was deceased by the time Luke was old enough to ask them about his parentage. He just didn't happen to be Luke's father.




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** For all we know, Owen or Beru ''did'' have a brother who was a navigator on a spice freighter, and who was deceased by the time Luke was old enough to ask them about his parentage. He just didn't happen to be Luke's father.
28th Apr '18 4:41:08 PM Sharlee
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*** For all we know, Owen or Beru ''did'' have a brother who was a navigator on a spice freighter, and who was deceased by the time Luke was old enough to ask them about his parentage. He just didn't happen to be Luke's father.
24th Apr '18 12:19:19 PM FlashSteps
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** Look at each Sith Lord individually, Palpatine in particular, and you'll see they do bend or outright break the rules, this one included, for their own benefit. Darth Vader lost much of his effectiveness after losing all four limbs. Why did Palpatine keep him around instead of shocking his helmet off and finding another highly Force-sensitive apprentice? Because Vader is now effective against Palpatine's enemies, but completely ineffective against Palpatine until push really came to shove in the end. The list of Sith Lords who had apprentices that lasted as long as Vader without betrayal in either direction is probably short, if such a list even exists. Darth Maul, for that matter, was a very weak Force-sensitive, with enough power to learn lightsaber combat, basic telekinesis, and not much else, if anything at all. Lethal to many, not to Palpatine.

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** Look at each Sith Lord individually, Palpatine in particular, and you'll see they do bend or outright break the rules, this one included, for their own benefit. Darth Vader lost much of his effectiveness after losing all four limbs.limbs and suffering other terrible injuries. Why did Palpatine keep him around instead of shocking his helmet off and finding another highly Force-sensitive apprentice? Because Vader is now effective against Palpatine's enemies, but completely ineffective against Palpatine until push really came to shove in the end. The list of Sith Lords who had apprentices that lasted as long as Vader without betrayal in either direction is probably short, if such a list even exists. Darth Maul, for that matter, was a very weak Force-sensitive, with enough power to learn lightsaber combat, basic telekinesis, and not much else, if anything at all. Lethal to many, not to Palpatine.


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*** It's not necessarily true that not many Sith partnerships lasted as long as Sidious and Vader's. Some alien species had naturally long lifespans, some forced ''unnaturally'' long lifespans through Dark Side abuse, and some just had normal lifespans but had important work to do over them, sometimes for many decades, to further the Grand Plan. I get the point you're making, though.
24th Apr '18 12:00:20 PM FlashSteps
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* As I understand it, Darth Bane didn't want the Sith to expand too much; part of the reason for keeping the number of Sith down was so they could lull the Jedi into a false sense of security and sneak under their defences. They were never entirely reliant on the Jedi for recruitment - sure, it was useful when someone like Dooku, who had already gained great mastery of the Force, switched teams and didn't need too much training, but the Jedi didn't kidnap every Force-sensitive child in the galaxy; sometimes the Sith would have found them first. There are a lot of flaws in the Rule of Two, though, and my personal theory is that it's the same kind of weakness that afflicted the Jedi with their fear of attachments and feeling emotion - they just got bogged down in tradition. The Sith Code is about breaking chains and surpassing limitations: if a Sith Lord noticed these flaws in the Rule, Sith philosophy demands that s/he should have changed it or secretly broken it like Plagueis and Palpatine did. The Sith Lords who kept the Rule either had reason to believe it was worth the dangers (maybe they had visions of Palpatine's eventual success?) or didn't notice the problems.

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* ** As I understand it, Darth Bane didn't want the Sith to expand too much; part of the reason for keeping the number of Sith down was so they could lull the Jedi into a false sense of security and sneak under their defences. They were never entirely reliant on the Jedi for recruitment - sure, it was useful when someone like Dooku, who had already gained great mastery of the Force, switched teams and didn't need too much training, but the Jedi didn't kidnap every Force-sensitive child in the galaxy; sometimes the Sith would have found them first. There are a lot of flaws in the Rule of Two, though, and my personal theory is that it's the same kind of weakness that afflicted the Jedi with their fear of attachments and feeling emotion - they just got bogged down in tradition. The Sith Code is about breaking chains and surpassing limitations: if a Sith Lord noticed these flaws in the Rule, Sith philosophy demands that s/he should have changed it or secretly broken it like Plagueis and Palpatine did. The Sith Lords who kept the Rule either had reason to believe it was worth the dangers (maybe they had visions of Palpatine's eventual success?) or didn't notice the problems.problems.

** OP, there may be another flaw or two in your premise which I intend to respond to. a) "With the Sith, Bane's Rule of Two means a Sith master will virtually ''never'' have more than one apprentice to succeed him, and is always one MutualKill or natural-death-before-finding-a-suitable-successor from having his line of succession snuffed out." Two things i) This seems to be predicated on the idea of the Sith Master having a human-length or shorter lifespan, in which case yes he/she would struggle to train more than one apprentice. But many Sith including Plagueis and Tenebrous came from species which had lifespans of over two centuries, which would permit that. Yes, the scenarios would either be that they would have to train a new apprentice to replace a deceased one, or else that they could train two or more and have them compete for the real and fully-fledged role of Sith Apprentice, but regardless. ii) You know how the Rule of Two prevented the apprentice and master from mutually killing each other or both dying of other causes? The Will of the Force. The Dark Side, unnatural and perverse as it may be, would will it so that the Sith persisted through the ages long enough to face the Jedi in it's eons-long chess game with the Light Side. Therefore, it would not permit by any circumstances an untimely death of BOTH of the Two. The specific example that you cite, that Windu and his team may have prevailed against Sidious but for "a twist of fate" was nothing of the sort. It was the hand of the Dark Side reaching out to protect it's servant. Remember that the Sith Grand Plan relied on generations of undermining the Jedi and the Republic, like a cancer within a once strong organism, to make it more beneficial to them when they revealed themselves to finally bring these institutions to their knees. It therefore seems that the Rule of Two did serve the Sith and their Grand Plan well over those many years.
11th Apr '18 6:44:04 AM costanton11
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10th Mar '18 4:52:47 AM PlatosAssistant
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** As far as Bespin goes, remember how that turned out for Luke? He went there to save his friends, and ended up hanging off a weather vane in the literal bottom of Cloud City sans a hand and in need of rescue. Yoda isnít 100% wrong on that front.
16th Feb '18 10:03:39 PM nombretomado
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** Sometimes they do have countries, or at least independent political powers sharing a world. Uniting the Gungans and Naboo Humans [[FantasticRacism to get over their mutual dislike]] was a major plot point in ''ThePhantomMenace''.

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** Sometimes they do have countries, or at least independent political powers sharing a world. Uniting the Gungans and Naboo Humans [[FantasticRacism to get over their mutual dislike]] was a major plot point in ''ThePhantomMenace''.''Film/ThePhantomMenace''.
1st Feb '18 9:45:48 PM FlashSteps
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** If Sidious and other Sith possibly had the ability to affect detailed glamours to hide their ghastly true features, and Obi Wan canonically upheld a lowered awareness upon the storm troopers to sneak through the Death Star, isn't it likely that a minor level Force power could be the skill of clouding the minds of adversaries to mask the plaits for subtle stealth and infiltration? At least, certainly for the weak minded, and this could be assisted by their Masters and which ever other Jedi they happened to be accompanied by.
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