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18th Oct '17 6:25:07 PM creader
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* Headscratchers/StarWarsForcesOfDestiny



17th Oct '17 6:11:54 AM Ansongc2000
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**** It's unfair, sure, but force-sensetvity has always had BlessedWithSuck undertones, and their need to avoid the darkside is meant to be a metaphor for us not giving into temptation. The reason that, until recently, you only saw grey Jedi or Revanite Sith in the EU is because the fans likely to read that material are older, and have a better chance at grasping the moral complexities the kids that only watch the movies won't. Also, the force has never been the only moral decider in Star Wars; the normal imperials, sepparatists and corrupt senators did bad just fine without the force, and Han, the rebels and Padme didn't need the light side to tell them right from wrong. Canon seems to be trying to portray characters like Grey Jedi in a more positive light, but the original idea of the light and dark was WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility, but headscratchers like this show the message was somewhat lost in translation.
16th Oct '17 9:32:22 PM Ansongc2000
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** Palpatine, and probably most sith since the Rule of Two was instated, probably don't know or care about their founders actual Grand Plan beyond "extermination of the jedi i.e. the only people who could stop us" and "lots of power for the one person good enough to grab it i.e. me.", and just recite ancient speeches or texts, the true meanings of which have long since been forgotten, to seem more Sith-y. It sounds pathetic, I know, but it's TruthInTelevision for many longstanding religions and orders, especially ones who have lost most of the history over their lifetimes like the Sith have.
15th Oct '17 7:54:37 AM tafelshrew
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*** Except that as the original headscratcher points out, there's nothing in the rules saying the Sith have to want slavery and injustice - nor, if the Dark Side is accessed by passion in general rather than desires to subjugate and hurt people (which is ambiguous - Yoda thinks the former, but he's canonically blinded by Jedi dogma in general), is there anything in the rules saying that Dark-Siders have to want that. The question is: can the Sith do good while acting in accord with the Sith Code and using their passions to draw on the Force, and if not why not given that ordinary people in real life can do good according to principles of transcending limitations and being driven by passion? The second answer suggests that the Force is just a dick that way, but if that's canon it's incredibly unsatisfying and reduces one of the main moral divisions in Star Wars to the totally arbitrary whim of a mystical energy field. (Or, Doylistically, means that George Lucas didn't give it enough actual thought and that subsequent writers slavishly followed him, but that's not so much the point of this page.)
14th Oct '17 12:02:20 PM CrypticMirror
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*** Because when the Jedi indulge in slavery and and injustice, it is a sign they've failed. When the Sith do it, it's a sign of their success. That is why the Sith are evil.
13th Oct '17 10:48:38 AM tafelshrew
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*** ... well, that's depressing. So the Jedi Order propped up the corrupt Republic, supporting an unjust status quo, and brainwashed children into believing interpersonal attachments led to evil (except for Master-Padawan relationships because it;s necessary ''there''), and yet it's feeling too intensely that's the only thing that turns you evil on an official metaphysical scale? It looks a hell of a lot like there's a good and evil side to the Light Side of the Force and the Jedi teachings, so how come the Dark Side and the Sith are pure evil?




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** Maybe the Empire wasn't entirely run on Sith ideology? Palpatine wasn't raised from birth as a Sith or kept isolated from all non-Sith in the galaxy; he developed his own values, opinions, and beliefs before he ever met Plagueis. Plagueis might also have had his own values independent from Sith doctrine that influenced what he thought the Sith plan was supposed to be. Or maybe the Empire was exactly what the Sith wanted and Plagueis meant something like the brink of decadence or anarchy or the usual things totalitarians think are wrong with non-totalitarian cultures.
16th Sep '17 10:15:02 AM Sharlee
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** In teaching Leia about how the Jedi Order had actually been a force for peace and justice, ''not'' the treacherous power-grabbers that Imperial propaganda presumably branded them as, Bail may have gone out of his way to stress how the Order placed itself at the service of the Senate. This would better contrast the Republic's previous, more equitable system with how the Emperor was consolidating power within a standing military that answered only to him. Also, Bail was one of the most influential Senators to actively work with the Jedi against Palpatine's coup-in-sheep's-clothing, so technically he probably ''did'' rate as Obi-Wan's superior if the Chancellor had gone rogue and the Jedi were still tacitly accepting civilian governmental authority over themselves.
16th Sep '17 10:00:13 AM Sharlee
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** Luke may have modified his saber between IV and V to make sure its controls would work properly in the frigid conditions of Hoth, same as the rebels were having to adapt their vehicles. Neither he ''nor'' Anakin would seem to have had to operate the thing on a world that cold before, at least to judge by the movies.
16th Sep '17 9:44:17 AM Sharlee
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** It's a handy way for the planet-bound to distinguish between "the big ball(s) of incandescent plasma that are providing sufficient light and heat that we're not freezing to death in the dark" from "those big balls of incandescent plasma that are too far away to do anything useful except maybe tell us what direction we're looking if it's nighttime".
16th Sep '17 9:39:46 AM Sharlee
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** It's also possible that those worlds are colonies of Naboo, and subordinate to the "mother world" as its still-dependent territories. Others may be protectorates where the native populations are too primitive or few in number to petition for a seat at the Senate, but have arranged for Naboo's Senator to speak up for their interests.
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