History Headscratchers / StarTrekTheOriginalSeries

21st Mar '17 3:54:39 PM thespecialneedsgroup
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*** It may not have been heroic, but it would have absolutely been justified. Using lethal force to prevent a heavily-armed warship with the confirmed potential to devastate an entire planet from falling into unknown hands isn't something that any government is going to have a problem with; so stunning children into unconsciousness is, despite the risks, an entirely acceptable option. In fact, not attempting to do so at some point would probably be considered negligence on a commanding officer's part. We know that Starfleet agrees, by the way, because it equips its ships--even its ships with children aboard--with autodestruct systems. To prevent the ''Enterprise''-D from falling into enemy hands, for example, Starfleet expressly, ''canonically'' gives Picard and Riker the authority to kill every member of its crew--including the children. It wouldn't have been pleasant or heroic, and Kirk might not have felt particularly good about it, but stunning the children, even with the risk of causing them long-term harm or death, warranted serious consideration under the circumstances.
21st Mar '17 9:20:03 AM cdrood
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21st Mar '17 9:19:35 AM cdrood
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[[folder:Suddenly Security Conscious]]
* Starfleet's lax security is so legendary throughout the franchise that when good ideas come along they stick out like a sore thumb. Notably why, with all the dangers involved, is there exactly one episode where they use a passcode prior to beaming someone up?
** On a related note why is something as useful as the subcutaneous transponder only used once when you consider how many times communicators were confiscated or destroyed?
21st Mar '17 9:07:28 AM cdrood
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** This episode throws the TimeyWimeyBall hard against the pavement. The overall explanation is supposedly nothing ever happened. The Enterprise never held Christopher's plane in the tractor beam, so it was never in danger. Who or what are being beamed into the bodies of Christopher and guard is never explained. It seems more like a way to avoid there being alternate timeline versions of them.
6th Feb '17 11:03:33 AM thatsnumberwang
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** Where is your proof that a phaser set to stun is harmless against children? So-called ''non-lethal weaponry'' IS frequently lethal as the taser has proved on multiple occasions. There are a whole mass of factors including body mass and development that need to be considered. What if one of those kids had a heart attack? And its not just the censors that are the problem (the laws really have not changed much when it comes to adult on child violence) its the whole image of Kirk as a hero - and heroes do not shoot children.
5th Feb '17 8:33:46 PM MythrilMothV3
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[[folder:And the Children Shall Not Be Phasered?]]
* In "And the Children Shall Lead", once it became blatantly obvious that the Triacus children were the (in)direct cause of ''everything'' happening on Triacus and aboard the ''Enterprise'', why did it never occur to Kirk to simply grab a hand phaser and ''stun the lot of them''? They would not have suffered any permanent harm, it would have given Kirk and his crew back control of the ship, and Bones could've kept them sedated until they could be properly dealt with. Ignoring the fact that you probably couldn't show violence toward children on TV in the 60s, a simple hand phaser set to stun would've avoided everything.
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24th Dec '16 1:00:58 PM thatsnumberwang
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*** Why are small changes allowed? [[SarcasmMode because they are small.]] Small scale collateral damage vs the end of the world as we know it is not a hard decision. A lot of people also seem to be forgetting the episode ''Tomorrow Is Yesterday'' and the character of Captain John Christopher. Kirk has already had to face the ramifications of removing someone from history and it is rather unbelievable that this experience isn't at least partially influencing him here.
24th Dec '16 8:53:39 AM TheMysteriousTroper
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*** Except that unless you're telepathic there ''is'' no way to tell whether someone "genuinely" believes it or not... which in the particular context of Spock and McCoy might explain it, but we see in DS9 that O'Brien at least has some racism towards Cardassians, iirc, and there was that quarter-Romulan crewman in TNG who was apparently considered inherently suspicious by virtue of that fact, so it's not like bigotry has magically disappeared in the Federation.

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*** Except that unless you're telepathic there ''is'' no way to tell whether someone "genuinely" believes it or not... which in the particular context of Spock and McCoy [=McCoy=] might explain it, but we see in DS9 that O'Brien at least has some racism towards Cardassians, iirc, and there was that quarter-Romulan crewman in TNG who was apparently considered inherently suspicious by virtue of that fact, so it's not like bigotry has magically disappeared in the Federation.



** An average is just that: a smoothing over of rough data. Spock is working from the information McCoy provided him and at the scale Spock is talking about the ship is still screwed regardless of minor deviations from the mean. As for getting into the storage bin, there ''was'' a Klingon spy on the station who could have gotten aboard the ship and planted a few tribbles there to sabotage the ''Enterprise'''s mission. Granted, tribbles don't like Klingons but Cyrano could have put a few in a box for him, or he could have used some form of anesthesia to sedate them long enough to get the job done.

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** An average is just that: a smoothing over of rough data. Spock is working from the information McCoy [=McCoy=] provided him and at the scale Spock is talking about the ship is still screwed regardless of minor deviations from the mean. As for getting into the storage bin, there ''was'' a Klingon spy on the station who could have gotten aboard the ship and planted a few tribbles there to sabotage the ''Enterprise'''s mission. Granted, tribbles don't like Klingons but Cyrano could have put a few in a box for him, or he could have used some form of anesthesia to sedate them long enough to get the job done.
30th Nov '16 1:04:20 PM Bense
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** The Salt Vampire is compared to the buffalo in its episode (once covered the plains of its world, now nearly extinct). So it could be an in-joke stand-in for a buffalo.
30th Nov '16 1:01:13 PM Bense
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** It's possible it was just a mental transfer.
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