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*** For the same reason, meals eaten on the holodeck consist of replicated food. If they were simulated matter then the food eaten would disappear from the person's stomach when he left the holodeck, which would likely be painful or even dangerous.
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** Why would they need the translator? They're aboard the ship, so it's probably switched off.
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*** True, but I can't imagine that they wouldn't also try to launch as many shuttlecraft as possible if they had to abandon ship. Think about it: for each shuttle you have in a lifeboat convoy, the odds of survival get exponentially better. ''Especially'' with warp-capable shuttles. ''Enterprise'' even has at least one ''Danube''-class runabout, which is basically a small, multi-purpose starship in its own right. They could be used for scouting, providing a measure of defense to the lifeboats, rushing any wounded personnel to the nearest starbase, or just spreading out to create a bigger footprint and make it easier for any search and rescue effort to find them.
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** After watching the episode again, I think the show actually hints at an explanation. Notice which station Data is using when he does all this. He's not sitting at Ops, or one of the command consoles, or even the bridge engineering station like you might expect; he's using Science I. That's ''exactly'' the station you'd want to use if you were trying to screw with the ship's sensors. Data did something to the internal sensors that made the computer think that Picard really ''was'' on the bridge.

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** After watching the episode again, I think the show actually hints at an explanation. Notice which station Data is using when he does all this. He's not sitting at Ops, or one of the command consoles, or even the bridge engineering station like you might expect; he's using Science I. That's ''exactly'' the station you'd want to use if you were trying to screw with the ship's sensors. This strongly suggests that Data did something ''something'' to the internal sensors that made the computer think that Picard really ''was'' on the bridge.
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** After watching the episode again, I think the show actually hints at an explanation. Notice which station Data is using when he does all this. He's not sitting at Ops, or one of the command consoles, or even the bridge engineering station like you might expect; he's using Science I. That's ''exactly'' the station you'd want to use if you were trying to screw with the ship's sensors. Data did something to the internal sensors that made the computer think that Picard really ''was'' on the bridge.
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*** Exactly this, you’d have to specify the age and appearance of any person you added to your holodeck program and a real life historical figure would have multiple options on file. Data just asked for Steven Hawking circa 1993.
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** The future Data of "All Good Things..." uses contractions, so presumably the limitation is not one of hardware (unless he had some sort of upgrade in the meantime).

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*** All this is true, but it does make you wonder: shouldn't the creators, all seasoned TV writers, have thought through these issues in advance and left out the separation idea entirely? It's just funny the way the pilot uses it like it's going to be part of the show's brand identity (look what we can do that the original ship couldn't) but which largely, for a host reasons, sits on the shelf unused.

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*** All this is true, but it does make you wonder: shouldn't the creators, all seasoned TV writers, have thought through these issues in advance and left out the separation idea entirely? It's just funny the way the pilot uses it like it's going to be part of the show's brand identity (look ("look what we can do that the original ship couldn't) couldn't!") but which largely, for a host of reasons, sits on the shelf unused.


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*** That's the piquant irony, no? If they actually did it more, thus having gotten those stock shots in the bag, it would be easier to justify doing it at all.
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*** All this is true, but it does make you wonder: shouldn't the creators, all seasoned TV writers, have thought through these issues in advance and left out the separation idea entirely? It's just funny the way the pilot uses it like it's going to be part of the show's brand identity (look what we can do that the original ship couldn't) but which largely, for a host reasons, sits on the shelf unused.


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*** I don't think I follow. This is a person who is literally potentially deathless, as it stands, provided a condition of her programming is altered. It's within Data's power to change that. That is rather different than "I could potentially stick anyone's brain in a robot," even if that were even true.
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** Fine points, but the question was more about the ''in-universe'' justification for test firing a suspect phaser rifle just a few feet from the warp core; where, again, the slightest mishap could have resulted in the instant and total destruction of the ship. Apart from the bay where ''Enterprise's'' {{antimatter}} is stored, I can't really think of a more dangerous place to do what they were doing. I'd also point out that this episode heavily featured a cargo bay; which ''also'' would have been a better choice than main engineering--with the addd benefit of negating the buget and time issues.
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** ... No? Death sentences and mortality don't work like that. By that logic Data is giving everyone else he doesn't build an ageless android body for a death sentence.
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*** It's his Cultural Sensitivity Routines, which inform him that it's bad form to deliberately call a species on its bullshit.
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** Just because rooms have been seen on screen doesn't mean those sets are just sitting around in pristine shape ready to be used; more likely they're broken down and turned into other sets, or in storage. That means it takes time and budget to get them out, put them together, and fix them up if they've decayed any. Or, if they're typically used by other sets, that means taking THOSE sets apart, then putting them back together when they're done. Probably only a handful of sets that got used very regularly, like the Bridge and Main Engineering, were left up all the time; Star Trek is notorious for the studio constantly leaning on their budget, so it may have been too expensive at that point in the season to set up the arms range or armory, so they just did it in Main Engineering, which is more familiar to viewers anyway. Sometimes little storytelling nuances fans would like to see have to take a back seat to the practicality of the budget.
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** Presumably it was interpreted as a specific order rather than just a common door-closing, and "Data" outranked both of the security officers. They were probably trying to input a specific security bypass code, but by then things were working on Drama Time inside the lift.
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**** First, still a pain in the ass to write around. Second, the show preferred to use its commercial break shifts as mini-cliffhangers, which "Separate the saucer section" is not really, and sounds really silly before the dramatic stings they tended to use. Third, I've read enough Star Trek headscratchers pages to know ''people wouldn't complain any less'', so it would have been a lot of wasted effort. Besides the ship looks frikkin' stupid without the saucer, and in a soft sci-fi space opera the hero ship looking good takes priority over practicality.
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*** Official explanation from the technical manual: You have to tap it when you're planetside (presumably so that it doesn't waste energy with opening channels erroneously, or if you're in a situation where you don't want to send out a signal). You don't have to tap it aboard ship since the computer is always listening, but some people either develop the habit or deliberately try to get in the habit so that they don't slip up in a vital situation on an away mission.
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** Why not? His Klingon is apparently fairly good. He may have just intended to stay quiet as much as possible and let Data do most of the talking, or perhaps affect a country accent so his mistakes wouldn't be so obvious. But more likely, UT implants as opposed to badges seem to be able to nudge you into speaking another language rather than just hearing them; Quark, Nog, and Rom are able to communicate in English once they've fixed their subdermal UT implants in the Area 51 episode.
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** The episode was also meant (in deleted scenes) to show Riker actively conflicted between career ambition and loyalty to his friend. He's not supposed to be distastefully carrying out his job, he's supposed to see it as a chance to stand out and have an "oh dear god, what am i doing?" moment.



** Logically, the computer could interpret Data's lockdown of the voice interface as a defense against an imposter which is otherwise fooling all verification means. The order is given on the bridge in Picard's voice with the correct authorization code. And, this being Data, he could have specifically blinded the other sensors to further the deception. We had seen Geordi expressing confusion on how a number of independent backups had all failed.



** Apparently it may have been more the associated visual effects cost that was prohibitive. It would have required various stock shots for flybys, orbits, accelerating to warp, and others for both the star drive section and the saucer and apparently actually making those would be expensive.



** "A Fistful of Datas" is perhaps even more egregious, since the holodeck malfunctioning seems to be accompanied by communication failing for no obvious reason. But this has to happen, because otherwise they can ask for a beam-out and call it a day.[[/folder]]

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** "A Fistful of Datas" is perhaps even more egregious, since the holodeck malfunctioning seems to be accompanied by communication failing for no obvious reason. But this has to happen, because otherwise they can ask for a beam-out and call it a day.day.
** A case of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness. As Data states in the pilot, much of the surrounding plant material was actually real. We see this on other occasions with a drenched Wesley still wet off the enivonment and Picard being hit by a snowball, while Cyrus Redblock and his henchman dematerialize. The intended exit process was this: Call the arch, take anything you don't want destroyed under the arch, then have the holodeck clear the environment without need for concern. Otherwise, things are too "real" for sensors to easily distinguish, leading to the drama in "The Big Goodbye". This was actually meant as a plot point in "Elementary, Dear Data" when Data carries the drawing off the deck - it was meant to indicate that safeguards had failed and Moriarty could have left the deck at any time. Picard, realizing this, subsequently tricked Moriarty into thinking he couldn't yet leave and thus outwitted the cleverest villain in all of literature. Gene Roddenberry objected to that (made Picard look deceitful) and it was deleted, leaving only the supposition that the drawing was sufficiently simplistic to be actually replicated and thus real.
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*** I thought that was an obvious bit of horror actually, you'll notice that the Federation is actually quite [[FantasticRacism Fantastically Racist]] against any and all artificial life. Oh, not silicon based life that "evolves" naturally, those guys are perfectly fine. But any created form of life, well, it took Picard talking to [[MagicalNegro Guinan]] to realize that their plans for Data in "A Measure of a Man" amounted to mass slavery. What scares me the most about that episode is that the JAG, in a ''court of law'', says that the real question is whether Data has a soul. I thought the Federation was secular? It doesn't help that every interaction The Doctor ([[Series/DoctorWho not that one]]) had with Starfleet in general in ''Voyager'' involved him having to ''prove'', and not easily, [[UnfortunateImplications that he was a sentient being with rights.]] ''And they didn't even rule that he was!'' The amount of times I've heard "He's just a hologram" gives me a chill. The main Computer of a ship, or most Holograms above a certain level of complexity would easily pass a Turing Test. It's almost as if the Federation tried this, and realizing that all their technology was proven sentient by this test, [[MovingTheGoalposts they designed a harder test.]] They are very deathist as well, considering the ease with which most of their technology would enable biological immortality. They seem to de-age people on a regular basis.

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*** I thought that was an obvious bit of horror actually, you'll notice that the Federation is actually quite [[FantasticRacism Fantastically Racist]] against any and all artificial life. Oh, not silicon based life that "evolves" naturally, those guys are perfectly fine. But any created form of life, well, it took Picard talking to [[MagicalNegro Guinan]] to realize that their plans for Data in "A Measure of a Man" amounted to mass slavery. What scares me the most about that episode is that the JAG, in a ''court of law'', says that the real question is whether Data has a soul. I thought the Federation was secular? It doesn't help that every interaction The Doctor ([[Series/DoctorWho not that one]]) had with Starfleet in general in ''Voyager'' involved him having to ''prove'', and not easily, [[UnfortunateImplications that he was a sentient being with rights.]] rights. ''And they didn't even rule that he was!'' The amount of times I've heard "He's just a hologram" gives me a chill. The main Computer of a ship, or most Holograms above a certain level of complexity would easily pass a Turing Test. It's almost as if the Federation tried this, and realizing that all their technology was proven sentient by this test, [[MovingTheGoalposts they designed a harder test.]] They are very deathist as well, considering the ease with which most of their technology would enable biological immortality. They seem to de-age people on a regular basis.
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* "The Game" is about a game that is kinda lame even by circa 1990 standards, let alone compared to the holodeck. Graphics are rudimentary, gameplay is simple to the point that one character says it practically plays itself, and it doesn't seem exciting in any way except for that craving for the next level-up reward. Then again, it doesn't have to be any good as a game: it directly stimulates the brain in a very pleasurable and addictive way. On the other hand, 21st century human games without that advantage manage to vacuum up thousands of dollars via Skinner box designs with uncertain intervals between rewards (which accomplishes the same thing).



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** It's less that her technology is necessarily more advanced; it's just that she's applying it in ways that Starfleet doesn't expect. Perhaps "more innovative" works better than "more advanced." Hardly the only episode where Enterprise security looks horrendous, but at least there's a little bit of a justification this time.

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** It's less that her technology is necessarily more advanced; it's just that she's applying it in ways that Starfleet doesn't expect. Perhaps "more innovative" works better than "more advanced." Hardly the only episode where Enterprise security looks horrendous, but at least there's a little bit of a justification this time. They have no trouble countermanding Ardra's technology once they identify it for what it is.
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** There were other forms of AI, but Star Fleet didn't have the technology to build an android as sophisticated as Data.

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*** It's also possible that Soong examined the technology of some of the TOS androids and worked in into his creations
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** Definitely adds a level of oh-come-on to this whole situation though as now we can officially say that Troi has skills that at least on some level surpass the man whom many consider to be the greatest chess player of all time.
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*** The episode says that the Acts of Cumberland ("passed in the early twenty first century," so any day now!) provide legal precedent for Data being understood as property of Starfleet. Just how is not explained, but at least there's HandWave. It opens a host of question of its own, not the least how statues passed on Earth well prior to the Federation's foundation provide precedent to anything...

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*** The episode says that the Acts of Cumberland ("passed in the early twenty first century," so any day now!) provide legal precedent for Data being understood as property of Starfleet. Just how is not explained, but at least there's HandWave. It opens a host of question of its own, not the least how statues statutes passed on Earth well prior to the Federation's foundation provide precedent to anything...
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*** A salvage expedition legitimately owns all the '''things''' it finds. But Data ain't a thing, he is a person. Owning people is wrong. Fed had already recognized Data as a citizen, he went to the Academy, he was commissioned an officer, he was awarded medals and now the evil Fed wants to cancel his citizenship on a whim. They did the same in [=DS=]9, Eddington wanted an illegal search versus Cassidy. Sisko: You can't conduct an illegal search against a Federation citizen. Eddington: She ceased to be a Federation citizen when she sold medical supplies to the Maquis.

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*** A salvage expedition legitimately owns all the '''things''' it finds. But Data ain't a thing, he is a person. Owning people is wrong. Fed had already recognized Data as a citizen, he went to the Academy, he was commissioned an officer, he was awarded medals and now the evil Fed wants to cancel his citizenship on a whim. They did the same in [=DS=]9, Eddington wanted an illegal search versus Cassidy.Kasidy. Sisko: You can't conduct an illegal search against a Federation citizen. Eddington: She ceased to be a Federation citizen when she sold medical supplies to the Maquis.Maquis.
*** The episode says that the Acts of Cumberland ("passed in the early twenty first century," so any day now!) provide legal precedent for Data being understood as property of Starfleet. Just how is not explained, but at least there's HandWave. It opens a host of question of its own, not the least how statues passed on Earth well prior to the Federation's foundation provide precedent to anything...
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* In "The Mind's Eye," why are Geordie and Data test firing the suspicious phaser rifle in the engine room, where they're surrounded by critical equipment? ''Enterprise'' has a small arms range that has appeared on-screen on at least two occasions. They also have a central armory--''also'' seen on-screen--which probably has a facility specifically designed for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair of the ship's inventory of phasers. Even failing that, ''Enterprise'' has a number of science and engineering laboratories, one of which ''must'' be better suited for what they're doing. Instead of using any of those facilities, however, they inexplicably decide that the best place to examine and repeatedly fire the rifle is about 20 feet from the warp core; thereby maximizing the possibility of blowing up the whole ship if something goes wrong.

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* In "The Mind's Eye," why are Geordie Geordi and Data test firing the suspicious phaser rifle in the engine room, where they're surrounded by critical equipment? ''Enterprise'' has a small arms range that has appeared on-screen on at least two occasions. They also have a central armory--''also'' seen on-screen--which probably has a facility specifically designed for the maintenance, diagnosis, and repair of the ship's inventory of phasers. Even failing that, ''Enterprise'' has a number of science and engineering laboratories, one of which ''must'' be better suited for what they're doing. Instead of using any of those facilities, however, they inexplicably decide that the best place to examine and repeatedly fire the rifle is about 20 feet from the warp core; thereby maximizing the possibility of blowing up the whole ship if something goes wrong.
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**** Thank you for that genuine laugh.

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