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15th Feb '18 8:52:38 AM CanuckGod
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*** On a totally unrelated side note, I always found the large gap in time between I and II funny in retrospect, given that II-IV all take place within the span of a few months, and V not all that long after that, though there does appear to be a moderate gap between V (2286/7) and VI (2393).

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*** On a totally unrelated side note, I always found the large gap in time between I and II funny in retrospect, given that II-IV all take place within the span of a few months, and V not all that long after that, though there does appear to be a moderate gap between V (2286/7) and VI (2393).(2293).
15th Feb '18 8:52:09 AM CanuckGod
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*** On a totally unrelated side note, I always found the large gap in time between I and II funny in retrospect, given that II-IV all take place within the span of a few months, and V only 2 years after that, though there does appear to be a moderate gap between V (2287) and VI (2393).

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*** On a totally unrelated side note, I always found the large gap in time between I and II funny in retrospect, given that II-IV all take place within the span of a few months, and V only 2 years not all that long after that, though there does appear to be a moderate gap between V (2287) (2286/7) and VI (2393).
15th Feb '18 8:49:04 AM CanuckGod
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*** On a totally unrelated side note, I always found the large gap in time between I and II funny in retrospect, given that II-IV all take place in the span of a few months, and V only 2 years after that, though there does appear to be a moderate gap between V (2287) and VI (2393).

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*** On a totally unrelated side note, I always found the large gap in time between I and II funny in retrospect, given that II-IV all take place in within the span of a few months, and V only 2 years after that, though there does appear to be a moderate gap between V (2287) and VI (2393).
15th Feb '18 8:48:25 AM CanuckGod
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*** On a totally unrelated side note, I always found the large gap in time funny in retrospect, given that II-IV all take place in the span of a few months, and V only 2 years after that, though there does appear to be a moderate gap between V (2287) and VI (2393).

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*** On a totally unrelated side note, I always found the large gap in time between I and II funny in retrospect, given that II-IV all take place in the span of a few months, and V only 2 years after that, though there does appear to be a moderate gap between V (2287) and VI (2393).
15th Feb '18 8:47:32 AM CanuckGod
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*** On a totally unrelated side note, I always found the large gap in time funny in retrospect, given that II-IV all take place in the span of a few months, and V only 2 years after that, though there does appear to be a moderate gap between V (2287) and VI (2393).
15th Feb '18 8:40:20 AM CanuckGod
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** Doesn't make a lot of sense, though, when you consider that the probe was sent out 300 years prior to the events of the movie, putting it around the early 1970s. Considering that humans didn't invent anything even approaching faster than light until Zefram Cochrane in 2063, more than likely the culprit was either a black hole they hadn't charted yet, or some anomaly similar to [[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS6E8OneSmallStep the one near Mars that transported John Kelly to the Delta Quadrant]] that Voyager (the starship, not the probe) discovered. Given that any black hole that close would not be all that swell for the inhabitants of Earth, I'd stake my money on the latter.
15th Feb '18 8:21:34 AM CanuckGod
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*** To be fair, it is pointed out at the time Kirk informs Decker of the change that this is a temporary reduction in grade. Knowing Kirk, though, he'd definitely do his most to keep the Enterprise, the assumption then being (assuming Decker lasts the mission) that Decker would most likely get command of another ship.

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*** To be fair, it is pointed out at the time Kirk informs Decker of the change that this is a temporary reduction in grade. Knowing Kirk, though, he'd definitely do his most to keep the Enterprise, the assumption then being (assuming Decker lasts the mission) that Decker would most likely get command of another ship.ship were one to become available.
15th Feb '18 8:20:44 AM CanuckGod
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**** To be fair, it is pointed out at the time Kirk informs Decker of the change that this is a temporary reduction in grade. Knowing Kirk, though, he'd definitely do his most to keep the Enterprise, the assumption then being (assuming Decker lasts the mission) that Decker would most likely get command of another ship.
7th Feb '18 9:38:16 AM Bense
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** All the official sources treat it as canon. According to the chronologies, ''STTMP'' happened in 2271, only 2 years after the original series, and ''Wrath of Khan'' was in 2285, so there were 14 ''years'' between the two movies in-universe. That can go a long way in justifying the differences between the two. Fanon has it that Kirk took the ''Enterprise'' and his crew on at least one more five-year mission in that period.
5th Feb '18 7:58:21 PM livestockgeorge
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[[folder:So is Wrath of Khan a soft reboot?]]
See, I always took it for granted that The Motion Picture wasn’t quite canon after the second movie took everything in a completely different direction. WoK has different sets, different uniforms, a much “smaller”-feeling Enterprise, a far less formal atmosphere between Starfleet members, and moreover it generally has a different look and feel. So either everything completely changed in Starfleet in whatever in-universe time passed, or TMP is only canon in the BroadStrokes sense.

But apparently everyone just treats it as canon? I haven’t been able to find anywhere where it’s spelled out even as a fan theory that there’s a soft reboot between the first two movies. Is this fairly common as an unspoken fanon, or am I the only one who thinks that?

Honestly, I’d believe you if you told me that I and V were in one universe and II-IV, VI and VII were in another.
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