History Headscratchers / StarTrekTheMotionPicture

27th May '16 4:20:23 PM CaptEquinox
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* In an early draft, it was ''Spock'' who was supposed to have had an affair with Ilia some years before. They reunited when he came onboard the Big E. Everything else happened as you saw, except with Spock instead of Decker; including the ascension with Ilia-probe at the end. All of this was designed to bring Nimoy back for this picture while guaranteeing he'd never have to play Spock again. Nimoy had not wanted to come back, especially with the big lawsuit he had going against Paramount. It was only when that was resolved that he agreed to sign up.[[note]]"It was a very tough time, complicated by the fact that I was pursuing a lawsuit against Paramount at the time, that had to do with merchandising royalties that I had failed to receive.... [so] they were calling me to go to work for them, while at the same time I had a lawsuit outstanding against them..." Also, Roddenberry had engaged him for something else and then abruptly dropped him, so he had refused to be in the film, so Spock was left out of the screenplay. It wasn't until Robert Wise arranged to have the promised royalties paid to Nimoy that he agreed to return.[[/note]]
30th Apr '16 4:43:20 PM CaptEquinox
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** Deltans are a very sensual race. AnythingThatMoves doesn't even being to cover it. Apparently sex for them is both extremely culturally significant and also transmit telepathic information between the members involved, sending anything from speech to memories or pain relief. However, with a human or other species is dangerous because 1. the Deltan may demand for more sex than the human can supply, and 2. the telepathy [[YourHeadAsplode may go bad for your brain]]. Much of that had to be cut out of the film because, well, G rating.

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** Deltans are a very sensual race. AnythingThatMoves doesn't even being to cover it. Apparently sex for them is both extremely culturally significant and also transmit telepathic information between the members involved, sending anything from speech to memories or pain relief. However, with a human or other species is dangerous because 1. the Deltan may demand for more sex than the human can supply, and 2. the telepathy [[YourHeadAsplode may go bad for your brain]]. Plus, like the silk moth on earth, Deltans emit "pheromones" that cause humans to go insanely horny. (We are not told what effect Deltan women have on gay men or Lesbians.) Much of that had to be cut out of the film because, well, G rating.
25th Mar '16 4:46:48 PM jayhawk01
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** Later in the movie, Uhura mentions they are planning on launching a sensor probe/buoy from the Enterprise with their logs and current situation to transmit to Starfleet in the event they are destroyed; it's not unreasonable to assume the crew of Epsilon IX launched one as they were under attack, which continued to record/transmit until it, too, was destroyed.



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4th Oct '15 3:26:42 PM ScorpiusOB1
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* They might have hoped that the higher numbered probe would imply more advanced technology, specifically ''much'' faster propulsion systems. The probe was stated to have fallen through a black hole, but currently the closest known black hole to Earth is V4641 Sgr, which is about 1600 light years away. Based on my, admittedly shaky math[[note]]Seriously, I'm terrible at math, so if I'm wrong, someone smarter than me is encouraged to correct this,[[/note]], it would take over ''2.43779×10[[superscript:19]]'' years (that's more than '''24 quintillion years''') for one of the real-world Voyager probes to actually get there--and that's assuming a constant velocity for the entire trip, which is impossible. To get around this problem, the probe would have to have an FTL drive of some kind. Maybe a series of much more advanced future probes were called 'Voyager' as a legacy name to honor the original Voyager program; much like the series of progressively more advanced Federation starships are given the name ''Enterprise''.

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* They might have hoped that the higher numbered probe would imply more advanced technology, specifically ''much'' faster propulsion systems. The probe was stated to have fallen through a black hole, but currently the closest known black hole to Earth is V4641 Sgr, which is about 1600 light years away. Based on my, admittedly shaky math[[note]]Seriously, I'm terrible at math, so if I'm wrong, someone smarter than me is encouraged to correct this,[[/note]], [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyager_1#Heliopause Voyager 1's current speed]], it would take over ''2.43779×10[[superscript:19]]'' ''28,104,000'' years (that's more than '''24 quintillion years''') for one of the real-world Voyager probes to actually get there--and that's assuming a constant velocity for the entire trip, which is impossible. To get around this problem, the probe would have to have an FTL drive of some kind. Maybe a series of much more advanced future probes were called 'Voyager' as a legacy name to honor the original Voyager program; much like the series of progressively more advanced Federation starships are given the name ''Enterprise''.
30th Dec '14 2:25:25 PM psionycx
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*** Kirk's HollywoodMidLifeCrisis would be a recurring theme throughout the movies. Indeed, ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan'' would continue the trend of Kirk having {{Wangst}} over whether he's too young to be an Admiral or too old to be a Captain, which would remain one of his major character issues across the film portion of the franchise.
28th Dec '14 7:31:21 PM psionycx
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** The Original Series, including the movies, is a little inconsistent with whether a transporter is needed on both ends when beaming between ships. Note that when they beam to somewhere without a transporter they usually pick an open area with few obstacles in it. Beaming inside a ship is described as dangerous from time to time, so beaming right to the bridge would probably be considered reckless. They do fix the transporters in time to beam McCoy aboard a short time later (probably Kirk told him about the transporter accident only ''after'' they beamed him aboard).

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** The Original Series, including the movies, is a little inconsistent with whether a transporter is needed on both ends when beaming between ships. Note that when they beam to somewhere without a transporter they usually pick an open area with few obstacles in it. Beaming inside a ship is described as dangerous from time to time, so beaming right to the bridge would probably be considered reckless. They do fix the transporters in time to beam McCoy [=McCoy=] aboard a short time later (probably Kirk told him about the transporter accident only ''after'' they beamed him aboard).aboard).
*** Except that in that case, wouldn't it be logical for the space dock to have its own transporter pads for both cargo and personnel? Since it exists for the purpose of doing major refits and[=/=]or construction of starships, one could assume that those ships would not have working transporters for extended periods of time while being worked on. So even if a pad were necessary (as opposed to beaming people directly into a large interior space on the ship like the rec room or the shuttle bay), there should have been working transporters on the space dock facility. Risking use of iffy transporters to beam people up to a ship undergoing refit smacks of NoOSHACompliance.
26th Dec '14 12:46:21 AM FenrirEX
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* They might have hoped that the higher numbered probe would imply more advanced technology, specifically ''much'' faster propulsion systems. The probe was stated to have fallen through a black hole, but currently the closest known black hole to Earth is V4641 Sgr, which is about 1600 light years away. Based on my, admittedly shaky math[[note]]Seriously, I'm terrible at math, so if I'm wrong, someone smarter than me is encouraged to correct this,[[/note]], it would take over ''2.43779×10[[superscript:19]]'' years (that's more than '''24 quintillion years''') for one of the real-world Voyager probes to actually get there--and that's assuming a constant velocity for the entire trip, which is impossible. To get around this problem, the probe would have to have an FTL drive of some kind. Maybe a series of much more advanced future probes were called 'Voyager' as a legacy name to honor the original Voyager program; much like the series of progressively more advanced Federation starships are given the name ''Enterprise''.

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* They might have hoped that the higher numbered probe would imply more advanced technology, specifically ''much'' faster propulsion systems. The probe was stated to have fallen through a black hole, but currently the closest known black hole to Earth is V4641 Sgr, which is about 1600 light years away. Based on my, admittedly shaky math[[note]]Seriously, I'm terrible at math, so if I'm wrong, someone smarter than me is encouraged to correct this,[[/note]], it would take over ''2.43779×10[[superscript:19]]'' years (that's more than '''24 quintillion years''') for one of the real-world Voyager probes to actually get there--and that's assuming a constant velocity for the entire trip, which is impossible. To get around this problem, the probe would have to have an FTL drive of some kind. Maybe a series of much more advanced future probes were called 'Voyager' as a legacy name to honor the original Voyager program; much like the series of progressively more advanced Federation starships are given the name ''Enterprise''. ''Enterprise''.
**The problem with this is that Voyager 6 has an almost identical design to Voyager 1, given even a cursory glance. As for the black hole...well, terminology was a bit wonky at the time the film came out, so most likely it actually fell through a wormhole and the script used the wrong term.
30th Nov '14 12:05:45 PM moloch
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4th Nov '14 9:02:56 AM Bense
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** The Original Series, including the movies, is a little inconsistent with whether a transporter is needed on both ends when beaming between ships. Note that when they beam to somewhere without a transporter they usually pick an open area with few obstacles in it. Beaming inside a ship is described as dangerous from time to time, so beaming right to the bridge would probably be considered reckless. They do fix the transporters in time to beam McCoy aboard a short time later (probably Kirk told him about the transporter accident only ''after'' they beamed him aboard).
29th Aug '14 7:46:41 PM thespecialneedsgroup
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* They might have hoped that the higher numbered probe would imply more advanced technology, specifically ''much'' faster propulsion systems. The probe was stated to have fallen through a black hole, but currently the closest known black hole to Earth is V4641 Sgr, which is about 1600 light years away. Based on my, admittedly shaky math[[note]]Seriously, I'm terrible at math, so if I'm wrong, someone smarter than me is encouraged to correct this,[[/note]], it would take over ''24.3779×10[[superscript:18]]'' years (that's more than '''24 quintillion years''') for one of the real-world Voyager probes to actually get there--and that's assuming a constant velocity for the entire trip, which is impossible. To get around this problem, the probe would have to have an FTL drive of some kind. Maybe a series of much more advanced future probes were called 'Voyager' as a legacy name to honor the original Voyager program; much like the series of progressively more advanced Federation starships are given the name ''Enterprise''.

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* They might have hoped that the higher numbered probe would imply more advanced technology, specifically ''much'' faster propulsion systems. The probe was stated to have fallen through a black hole, but currently the closest known black hole to Earth is V4641 Sgr, which is about 1600 light years away. Based on my, admittedly shaky math[[note]]Seriously, I'm terrible at math, so if I'm wrong, someone smarter than me is encouraged to correct this,[[/note]], it would take over ''24.3779×10[[superscript:18]]'' ''2.43779×10[[superscript:19]]'' years (that's more than '''24 quintillion years''') for one of the real-world Voyager probes to actually get there--and that's assuming a constant velocity for the entire trip, which is impossible. To get around this problem, the probe would have to have an FTL drive of some kind. Maybe a series of much more advanced future probes were called 'Voyager' as a legacy name to honor the original Voyager program; much like the series of progressively more advanced Federation starships are given the name ''Enterprise''.
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