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18th Jul '16 3:41:57 AM LordInsane
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** It may also be that different time-travel methods have different answers to what any changes do -- for instance, the sun slingshot method was implied to work under stable time loop rules, which obviously is completely worthless if you want to actually ''change'' the past. Put that together with the above limitation and it seems reasonable that "Future Guy" may well be able to physically travel to the past, but not in any way that actually helps him achieve his goals.
7th Jul '16 4:45:20 PM thatsnumberwang
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* ''Unexpected'' has many problems and many UnfortunateImplications. Leaving those aside however, I have to ask as to why in-universe the Xyrillians even have an Impregnation Box in the first place and why is it so powerful that it is capable of impregnating aliens with biology radically different to their own and mutating said bodies in order to accept the fetus? It certainly seems far to powerful to be a conventional pregnancy aid, and it damn well did more than just grow a nipple on Trip's arm considering that his immune system wasn't rejecting it. I honestly do hate to go down the date rape course like so many others, but such a device cannot be easily explained away.

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* ''Unexpected'' has many problems and many UnfortunateImplications. Leaving those aside however, I have to ask as to why in-universe the Xyrillians even have an Impregnation Box in the first place and why is it so powerful that it is capable of impregnating aliens with biology radically different to their own and mutating said bodies in order to accept the fetus? It certainly seems far to powerful to too be a conventional pregnancy aid, and it damn well did more than just grow a nipple on Trip's arm considering that his immune system wasn't rejecting it.the child. I honestly do hate to go down the date rape course like so many others, but such a device cannot be easily explained away.
7th Jul '16 4:44:00 PM thatsnumberwang
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*** The writers were just awful with anything meant to be sexy. Almost all their attempts at sexiness derive from a delousing room where the characters rub topical cream on themselves to protect against parasites. Their big romance originated from sleep therapy for someone suffering from PTSD due to crippling grief. So following their usual logic, it makes sense that their sexy character would have an inherent, visible revulsion to her potential romantic interests.

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*** The writers were just awful with anything meant to be sexy. Almost all their attempts at sexiness derive from a delousing room where the characters rub topical cream on themselves to protect against parasites. Their big romance originated from sleep therapy for someone suffering from PTSD due to crippling grief. So following their usual logic, it makes sense that their sexy character would have an inherent, visible revulsion to her potential romantic interests.interests.
* ''Unexpected'' has many problems and many UnfortunateImplications. Leaving those aside however, I have to ask as to why in-universe the Xyrillians even have an Impregnation Box in the first place and why is it so powerful that it is capable of impregnating aliens with biology radically different to their own and mutating said bodies in order to accept the fetus? It certainly seems far to powerful to be a conventional pregnancy aid, and it damn well did more than just grow a nipple on Trip's arm considering that his immune system wasn't rejecting it. I honestly do hate to go down the date rape course like so many others, but such a device cannot be easily explained away.
25th Jun '16 5:33:00 PM Doorlocks
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** What I'd like to know is, given that as MsFanservice T'Pol was likely to be paired with, or at least have {{UST}} with, at least one of the human characters, why the hell did the PowersThatBe introduce the whole HumansAreSmelly thing in the first place? It's InUniverse FanDisservice!

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**T'Pol is basically the first Vulcan to have prolonged contact with humans on their own terms, so her issues with adapting are more pronounced. After two additional centuries of contact, integration, and even interbreeding, the species as a whole has likely gotten used to the smell, or specific Vulcans that have an unusually high amount of contact with humans treat the workarounds to the smell as routinely as we do showering or brushing one's teeth.
** What I'd like to know is, given that as MsFanservice T'Pol was likely to be paired with, or at least have {{UST}} with, at least one of the human characters, why the hell did the PowersThatBe introduce the whole HumansAreSmelly thing in the first place? It's InUniverse FanDisservice!FanDisservice!
***The writers were just awful with anything meant to be sexy. Almost all their attempts at sexiness derive from a delousing room where the characters rub topical cream on themselves to protect against parasites. Their big romance originated from sleep therapy for someone suffering from PTSD due to crippling grief. So following their usual logic, it makes sense that their sexy character would have an inherent, visible revulsion to her potential romantic interests.
9th Jun '16 9:47:21 AM NewVirginiaCreeper
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*** One could argue that the timeline regarding knowledge of the Borg was wonky from their inception, since Guinan knows all about the Borg but neither she nor any of her people bothered to pass a warning along to their Federation hosts (''Generations'' somewhat compounds this issue).
26th Apr '16 4:27:30 PM JackG
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*** There is always the possibility that the ''Naval Patrol'' isn't a military organization at all but some form of Coast Guard there to rescue any stricken citizens - there is no reason to believe there wouldn't still be a large amount of commercial shipping still on Earth such as Cruise Liners or the odd Shuttlecraft crashing at sea. There is also something called the Atlantis Project mentioned in the Next Generation episode ''Family'' where Picard's friend Louis is attempting to create a new continent; which logically would also have required a reasonable amount of boats to accommodate. There will always be at least one person that doesn't want to fly or beam there as well as the obvious fact that transporters and shuttles have a habit of unexpectedly breaking in the Trekverse.
*** It's also possible that it is a law enforcement agency.

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*** **** There is always the possibility that the ''Naval Patrol'' isn't a military organization at all but some form of Coast Guard there to rescue any stricken citizens - there is no reason to believe there wouldn't still be a large amount of commercial shipping still on Earth such as Cruise Liners or the odd Shuttlecraft crashing at sea. There is also something called the Atlantis Project mentioned in the Next Generation episode ''Family'' where Picard's friend Louis is attempting to create a new continent; which logically would also have required a reasonable amount of boats to accommodate. There will always be at least one person that doesn't want to fly or beam there as well as the obvious fact that transporters and shuttles have a habit of unexpectedly breaking in the Trekverse.
*** **** It's also possible that it is a law enforcement agency.



*** {{@/Triassicranger}}: I will attempt some. In one episode the Ferengi show up, 200 years before they're meant to. Alright Capt. Picard encountered them on the Stargazer a few decades before ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', but centuries? And unless I'm mistaken, the episode "The Last Outpost" had the Enterprise-D crew show much unfamiliarity with them. (This one you can argue is a violation of {{Fanon}} rather than {{Canon}}, though; a lot of Enterprise complaints fall into this.) Another episode features the Borg, in which among things Dr. Phlox nearly gets assimilated. So why in later seasons is Starfleet not prepared for the Borg, given that they have encountered them up close and personal? Why do the transporters seem to work as fast as the TNG era? Why does the NX-01 look more advanced than Kirk's (better VFX)? [[http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org This website]] lists a number of them as well, and even scrutinises over fandom explanations.
*** Typical of most complaints about alleged "disregard" of ''Enterprise'' for established canon, these examples misstate the canon in question and/or totally ignore fridge logic. The Federation had limited knowledge of the Feringi since well before "Last Outpost". I believe they were first referenced in "Encounter At Farpoint", and rumors about them proceeded official first contact by the Enterprise; clearly, there had been contact between humans and Federation members and the Feringi preceding "official" first contact in the ''Last Outpost''. That a lone raiding party of a half dozen Feringi could have made contacted with a Human vessel two centuries prior is hardly canon-busting. The identity of the raiders the Enterprise NX encountered was probably never confirmed until the Enterprise D made contact. Likewise, the Enterprise NX encounter with the Borg does nothing to disrupt continuity. The incident would have obviously been highly classified by Star Fleet, and not common knowledge in the 24th Century. Due to secrecy and two centuries of obscurity, there may not have even been a record in the Enterprise D's computer, and even if was, the circumstance of the encounter were so widely different that even a walking search engine like Data might not have been able to put together the pieces in time. No doubt after the Enterprise D returned from its first encounter with the Borg and filed their report with Star Fleet, some analyst at Star Fleet HQ probably started digging into every file Star Fleet had involving cybernetic lifeforms and came across a 200-year old log from Captain Johnathan Archer, but obviously we wouldn't have seen that and since it wouldn't have provided much, if any new information, it's unsurprising it was never brought up.

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*** **** {{@/Triassicranger}}: I will attempt some. In one episode the Ferengi show up, 200 years before they're meant to. Alright Capt. Picard encountered them on the Stargazer a few decades before ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', but centuries? And unless I'm mistaken, the episode "The Last Outpost" had the Enterprise-D crew show much unfamiliarity with them. (This one you can argue is a violation of {{Fanon}} rather than {{Canon}}, though; a lot of Enterprise complaints fall into this.) Another episode features the Borg, in which among things Dr. Phlox nearly gets assimilated. So why in later seasons is Starfleet not prepared for the Borg, given that they have encountered them up close and personal? Why do the transporters seem to work as fast as the TNG era? Why does the NX-01 look more advanced than Kirk's (better VFX)? [[http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org This website]] lists a number of them as well, and even scrutinises over fandom explanations.
*** ***** Typical of most complaints about alleged "disregard" of ''Enterprise'' for established canon, these examples misstate the canon in question and/or totally ignore fridge logic. The Federation had limited knowledge of the Feringi since well before "Last Outpost". I believe they were first referenced in "Encounter At Farpoint", and rumors about them proceeded official first contact by the Enterprise; clearly, there had been contact between humans and Federation members and the Feringi preceding "official" first contact in the ''Last Outpost''. That a lone raiding party of a half dozen Feringi could have made contacted with a Human vessel two centuries prior is hardly canon-busting. The identity of the raiders the Enterprise NX encountered was probably never confirmed until the Enterprise D made contact. Likewise, the Enterprise NX encounter with the Borg does nothing to disrupt continuity. The incident would have obviously been highly classified by Star Fleet, and not common knowledge in the 24th Century. Due to secrecy and two centuries of obscurity, there may not have even been a record in the Enterprise D's computer, and even if was, the circumstance of the encounter were so widely different that even a walking search engine like Data might not have been able to put together the pieces in time. No doubt after the Enterprise D returned from its first encounter with the Borg and filed their report with Star Fleet, some analyst at Star Fleet HQ probably started digging into every file Star Fleet had involving cybernetic lifeforms and came across a 200-year old log from Captain Johnathan Archer, but obviously we wouldn't have seen that and since it wouldn't have provided much, if any new information, it's unsurprising it was never brought up.



*** Apparently at one point Enterprise was going to be something approximating a nuclear submarine, a lot more cramped and such - which would have been a lot cooler.
*** What, design aesthetics aren't allowed to change over the centuries? It could be that the ships from TNG were intended to look ''retro'' to in-universe observers, emulating the vessels of Archer's "Dawn of the Federation" era.
*** Regarding the Borg, the Hansens (Seven of Nine's parents) knew about them well before the Enterprise-D encountered them. (Thus, this continuity screw up has its roots in ''Voyager''.) Perhaps they did dig up the long forgotten records of the NX-01's Borg encounter in a Starfleet archive. Or more sinister, Section 31 realized that the 200 years the message, which was sent by the Borg at the end of ''Regeneration'', will need to reach the Delta Quadrant are over now, and used the Hansens for discretely investigating the Borg threat. And regarding the NX-01 being more advanced, remember that "In a Mirror Darkly", the Defiant was portrayed as outclassing not only the NX class, but even the best ships of the Vulcans and Andorians! Sure, those may rival 23rd and 24th century ships in size, but apparently not e.g. in hull strength or weapon power.

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*** **** Apparently at one point Enterprise was going to be something approximating a nuclear submarine, a lot more cramped and such - which would have been a lot cooler.
*** **** What, design aesthetics aren't allowed to change over the centuries? It could be that the ships from TNG were intended to look ''retro'' to in-universe observers, emulating the vessels of Archer's "Dawn of the Federation" era.
*** **** Regarding the Borg, the Hansens (Seven of Nine's parents) knew about them well before the Enterprise-D encountered them. (Thus, this continuity screw up has its roots in ''Voyager''.) Perhaps they did dig up the long forgotten records of the NX-01's Borg encounter in a Starfleet archive. Or more sinister, Section 31 realized that the 200 years the message, which was sent by the Borg at the end of ''Regeneration'', will need to reach the Delta Quadrant are over now, and used the Hansens for discretely investigating the Borg threat. And regarding the NX-01 being more advanced, remember that "In a Mirror Darkly", the Defiant was portrayed as outclassing not only the NX class, but even the best ships of the Vulcans and Andorians! Sure, those may rival 23rd and 24th century ships in size, but apparently not e.g. in hull strength or weapon power.



** What I'd like to know is, given that as MsFanservice T'Pol was likely to be paired with, or at least have {{UST}} with, at least one of the human characters, why the hell did the PowersThatBe introduce the whole HumansAreSmelly thing in the first place?

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** What I'd like to know is, given that as MsFanservice T'Pol was likely to be paired with, or at least have {{UST}} with, at least one of the human characters, why the hell did the PowersThatBe introduce the whole HumansAreSmelly thing in the first place?place? It's InUniverse FanDisservice!
26th Apr '16 4:25:31 PM JackG
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* How have female vulcans evolved noses that are so sensitive in comparison to the males that T'Pol is incapable of being around humans and dogs without a specialist analgesic for her nose, whereas Spock and Tuvok can spend their entire lives around humans and not have it brought up once? And lets be honest: we all know that Bones would have brought that up at some point. Evolution is not some random, unknowable process; it happens in response to external stimuli over thousands to millions of years in order to help adapt a species to its environment. Which in this case is something that the males don't need or wouldn't use but would be beneficial for life on their desert planet. Funnily enough, if Enterprise hadn't retconned Pon Farr as being something that only males experience for no reason other than fanservice, we could have said that the males release some kind of pheromones like a dog in heat which would be a plausible plot development.

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* How have female vulcans evolved noses that are so sensitive in comparison to the males that T'Pol is incapable of being around humans and dogs without a specialist analgesic for her nose, whereas Spock and Tuvok can spend their entire lives around humans and not have it brought up once? And lets be honest: we all know that Bones would have brought that up at some point. Evolution is not some random, unknowable process; it happens in response to external stimuli over thousands to millions of years in order to help adapt a species to its environment. Which in this case is something that the males don't need or wouldn't use but would be beneficial for life on their desert planet. Funnily enough, if Enterprise hadn't retconned Pon Farr as being something that only males experience for no reason other than fanservice, we could have said that the males release some kind of pheromones like a dog in heat which would be a plausible plot development.development.
** What I'd like to know is, given that as MsFanservice T'Pol was likely to be paired with, or at least have {{UST}} with, at least one of the human characters, why the hell did the PowersThatBe introduce the whole HumansAreSmelly thing in the first place?
12th Jan '16 4:05:19 PM Luppercus
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***Well actually humans seem pretty racist over Vulcans too; Archer is clearly resented against Vulcans and frequently make ethnic comments, Mc Coy is constantly mocking Spock with racial slurs and offensive insults about his physiognomy, Tuvok is often mock because of his culture among the crew of Voyager, to be honest, I wonder why would a Vulcan want to live among such racist humans.
9th Dec '15 3:36:14 PM MooG
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** It's possible - after all the Romans went from no navy to Kings of the Med by capturing a few galleys and being better soldiers. There are also several examples where states have made the mistake of inviting in 'dumb muscle' that turned out to be faster learners, and more ambitious, than expected.
4th Dec '15 4:43:25 PM psionycx
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*** Did they? In "The Andorian Incident" Archer deliberately, almost maliciously, gave away sensitive Vulcan military secrets to the Andorians purely because he was pissed that he got beaten up (by the Andorians!) after inviting himself to go visit the Vulcan monastery despite the fact that they certainly never asked him to! It could readily be argued that Archer threw away Earth's treaty with the Vulcans right then and there, especially since Earth had no similar treaty with the Andorians, and thus no obligation to protect their interests over those of the Vulcans!


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*** By this point it was ''already'' starting to look as though Archer and Earth were cozying up to the Andorians! The Vulcans had valid reasons to question whether or not Earth was even ''really'' their ally, or if Earth was just their nominal ally because the Vulcans were the first alien species with which humanity had made contact. Keep in mind that Archer had already proven willing to hand over Vulcan military secrets to the Andorians. At this point, the relationship was ''very'' one-sided. Vulcan had ''far'' more to offer Earth than vice versa. But, at the same time, there was more than a little evidence that the emotional humans might switch alliances to the similarly emotional Andorians if they thought it benefited them. Indeed, the Vulcans had no reason not to believe that Archer was just trying to lure their ships into the Expanse to be destroyed so as to weaken Vulcan ahead of a joint Andorian-Human invasion!
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