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** This is like asking why are still White supremacists existing in the US? Shouldn't all Americans consider one another to be brothers and sisters, fellow countrymen of the greatest nation on Earth? Why did Brexit happened? Shouldn't the enlighten Europeans all, British or continental, consider themselves to be Europeans and transcend those pesky notions of nationalism that caused the two wars? Why racism is still a problem in some Islamic countries if Islam absolutely and explicitly forbids racism? True is, prejudice and racism manage to survive in almost every society as sad as it sounds.
** Also he might be very old. Vulcans live much longer. T'Pol is seeing as a youngster by her fellow Vulcans and is 60, Tuvok looks slighty younger than Solok and was serving alongside Sulu like a 100 years prior, then took decades of sabatic in a monastry before going back to Starfleet. Solok might be over a 100 or even getting to 200 and have being born in pre-Federation or early Federation times, holding still some of the paternalistic and prejudiced views many Vulcans had back then. Is the typically "racist grandpa" joke. Imagine that we in real life have sometimes ackward conversations with senior citizens because they hold certain ideas that are racist for our standards, now imagine if humans live for centuries; you'll had people who fought for the Confederate States and owned slaves still living around.

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** This is like asking why are still White supremacists existing still exist in the US? Shouldn't all Americans consider one another to be brothers and sisters, fellow countrymen of the greatest nation on Earth? Why did Brexit happened? Shouldn't the enlighten enlightened Europeans all, British or continental, consider themselves to be Europeans and transcend those pesky notions of nationalism that caused the two wars? Why racism is still a problem in some Islamic countries if Islam absolutely and explicitly forbids racism? True is, True, prejudice and racism manage to survive in almost every society as sad as it sounds.
** Also he might be very old. Vulcans live much longer. T'Pol is seeing seen as a youngster by her fellow Vulcans and is 60, Tuvok looks slighty younger than Solok and was serving alongside Sulu like a 100 years prior, then took decades of sabatic sabbatical in a monastry monastery before going back to Starfleet. Solok might be over a 100 or even getting to 200 and have being born in pre-Federation or early Federation times, still holding still some of the paternalistic and prejudiced views many Vulcans had back then. Is It is the typically "racist grandpa" joke. Imagine that we in real life have sometimes ackward awkward conversations with senior citizens because they hold certain ideas that are racist for by our standards, now standards. Now imagine if humans live lived for centuries; you'll had you'd have people who fought for the Confederate States and owned slaves still living around.living.
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** It probably has something to do with her total lack of boundaries. Or, at least, her complete disregard for ''other people's'' boundaries. It's played for laughs, but grabbing Bashir's butt the way she did constitutes sexual assault by most definitions. Given her personality, it seems likely that this is probably a pretty regular occurrence for her. And because she’s brain damaged, she may not even be ‘’capable’’ of understanding why this is wrong, or have the impulse control skills to stop herself. That would make her a danger to herself and others. If she weren’t in a mental institution, she might be in prison.

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** It probably has something to do with her total lack of boundaries. Or, at least, her complete disregard for ''other people's'' boundaries. It's played for laughs, but grabbing Bashir's butt the way she did constitutes sexual assault by most definitions. Given her personality, it seems likely that this is probably a pretty regular occurrence for her. And because she’s brain damaged, she may not even be ‘’capable’’ ''capable'' of understanding why this is wrong, or have the impulse control skills to stop herself. That would make her a danger to herself and others. If she weren’t in a mental institution, she might be in prison.

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** But Lwaxana wasn't in Bajoran territory when the baby's father first tried to claim him. It's implied she was on Betazed, and she mentions in the episode she fled to Deep Space Nine because she thought the father wouldn't find her there. So the original question stands: why didn't she go the authorities on Betazed and ask them to protect her?



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** It probably has something to do with her total lack of boundaries. Or, at least, her complete disregard for ''other people's'' boundaries. It's played for laughs, but grabbing Bashir's butt the way she did constitutes sexual assault by most definitions. Given her personality, it seems likely that this is probably a pretty regular occurrence for her. And because she’s brain damaged, she may not even be ‘’capable’’ of understanding why this is wrong, or have the impulse control skills to stop herself. That would make her a danger to herself and others. If she weren’t in a mental institution, she might be in prison.
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* In ''[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS06E09StatisticalProbabilities "Statistical Probabilities"]]'', why exactly is Lauren locked in a mental institution? The other three patients we see in the institution seem to suffer from series mental disorders as a result of their genetic modifications, but Lauren's only psychological issue appears to be her hypersexuality. Hypersexuality, of course, can cause serious problems to a person, but even today the treatment for it is therapy and/or medication, and there's no need to put someone in closed psychiatric ward because of it. And 24th century Federation is supposed to be more utopian and liberal than our era when it comes to such issues, so it doesn't make sense she would locked up because of that.

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* In ''[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS06E09StatisticalProbabilities "Statistical Probabilities"]]'', why exactly is Lauren locked in a mental institution? The other three patients we see in the institution seem to suffer from series mental disorders as a result of their genetic modifications, but Lauren's only psychological issue appears to be her hypersexuality. Hypersexuality, of course, can cause some serious problems to a person, but even today the treatment for it is therapy and/or medication, and there's no need to put someone in closed psychiatric ward because of it. And 24th century Federation is supposed to be more utopian and liberal than our era when it comes to such issues, so it doesn't make sense she Lauren would locked up because of that.
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* In ''[[Recap/StarTrekDeepSpaceNineS06E09StatisticalProbabilities "Statistical Probabilities"]]'', why exactly is Lauren locked in a mental institution? The other three patients we see in the institution seem to suffer from series mental disorders as a result of their genetic modifications, but Lauren's only psychological issue appears to be her hypersexuality. Hypersexuality, of course, can cause serious problems to a person, but even today the treatment for it is therapy and/or medication, and there's no need to put someone in closed psychiatric ward because of it. And 24th century Federation is supposed to be more utopian and liberal than our era when it comes to such issues, so it doesn't make sense she would locked up because of that.
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*** I also wonder if the production team just didn't think the older models would clash with the Sovereign visually. Notice there aren't any Excelsiors at [[Film/StarTrekFirstContact the Battle of Sector 001]], and only fleeting glimpses of Mirandas, despite both classes being in active combat duty in the Dominion War.
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--> '''Rom:''' Odo has him and the Nausicaans in a holding cell. He says it's an open and shut case. \\
'''Quark:''' It's an open and shut case all right, but I'm not going to press charges. \\

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--> '''Rom:''' Odo has him and the Nausicaans in a holding cell. He says it's an open and shut case.OpenAndShutCasee. \\
'''Quark:''' It's an open and shut open-and-shut case all right, but I'm not going to press charges. \\
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** Also he might be very old. Vulcans live much longer. T'Pol is seeing as a youngster by her fellow Vulcans and is 60, Tuvok looks slighty younger than Solok and was serving alongside Sulu like a 100 years prior, then took decades of sabatic in a monastry before going back to Starfleet. Solok might be over a 100 or even getting to 200 and have being born in pre-Federation or early Federation times, holding still some of the paternalistic and prejudiced views many Vulcans had back then. Is the typically "racist grandpa" joke. Imagine that we in real life have sometimes ackward conversations with senior citizens because they hold certain ideas that are racist for our standards, now imagine if humans live for centuries; you'll had people who fought for the Confedrate States and own slaves still living around.

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** Also he might be very old. Vulcans live much longer. T'Pol is seeing as a youngster by her fellow Vulcans and is 60, Tuvok looks slighty younger than Solok and was serving alongside Sulu like a 100 years prior, then took decades of sabatic in a monastry before going back to Starfleet. Solok might be over a 100 or even getting to 200 and have being born in pre-Federation or early Federation times, holding still some of the paternalistic and prejudiced views many Vulcans had back then. Is the typically "racist grandpa" joke. Imagine that we in real life have sometimes ackward conversations with senior citizens because they hold certain ideas that are racist for our standards, now imagine if humans live for centuries; you'll had people who fought for the Confedrate Confederate States and own owned slaves still living around.
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** Also he might be very old. Vulcans live much longer. T'Pol is seeing as a youngster by her fellow Vulcans and is 60, Tuvok looks slighty younger than Solok and was serving alongside Sulu like a 100 years prior, then took decades of sabatic in a monastry before going back to Starfleet. Solok might be over a 100 or even getting to 200 and have being born in pre-Federation or early Federation times, holding still some of the paternalistic and prejudiced views many Vulcans had back then. Is the typically "racist grandpa" joke. Imagine that we in real life have sometimes ackward conversations with senior citizens because they hold certain ideas that are racist for our standards, now imagine if humans live for centuries; you'll had people who fought for the Confedrate States and own slaves still living around.
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* Retroactive, but worth considering from a Watsonian perspective: this troper recalls a [[Series/StarTrekDiscovery Discovery]] episode detailing Geneva protocols being mentioned, with one in 1928 and another in 2155. The latter would more likely than not be focused on interstellar warfare, especially considering its placement during the Earth-Romulan War. Maybe Starfleet is recognizing a Geneva Convention, just one that’s been altered from what we have today.

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* Retroactive, *Retroactive, but worth considering from a Watsonian perspective: this troper recalls a [[Series/StarTrekDiscovery Discovery]] episode detailing Geneva protocols being mentioned, with one in 1928 and another in 2155. The latter would more likely than not be focused on interstellar warfare, especially considering its placement during the Earth-Romulan War. Maybe Starfleet is recognizing a Geneva Convention, just one that’s been altered from what we have today.
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*Retroactive, but worth considering from a Watsonian perspective: this troper recalls a [[Series/StarTrekDiscovery Discovery]] episode detailing Geneva protocols being mentioned, with one in 1928 and another in 2155. The latter would more likely than not be focused on interstellar warfare, especially considering its placement during the Earth-Romulan War. Maybe Starfleet is recognizing a Geneva Convention, just one that’s been altered from what we have today.
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*** Alternatively to the above, they find being on a human vessel somewhat refreshing as far as the environment goes. As a human analogue, think of going to a place with more temperate conditions and low altitude. Suddenly, you're not constantly hot, there's more oxygen in the air so you breathe easier, etc.

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** As this troper recalls, Worf was attending Riker & Troi's wedding at the start of Nemesis. They then board the Enterprise to head to Betazed, for that side of the wedding. As such, Worf would have gone along with his old crewmates. Then when the Enterprise got into trouble, he wouldn't have just stood by. He's not that type of character.



** As this troper recalls, Worf was attending Riker & Troi's wedding at the start of Nemesis. They then board the Enterprise to head to Betazed, for that side of the wedding. As such, Worf would have gone along with his old crewmates. Then when the Enterprise got into trouble, he wouldn't have just stood by. He's not that type of character.

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** As this troper recalls, Worf was attending Riker & Troi's wedding at the start of Nemesis. They then board the Enterprise to head to Betazed, for that side of the wedding. As such, Worf would have gone along with his old crewmates. Then when the Enterprise got into trouble, he wouldn't have just stood by. He's not that type of character.
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** As this troper recalls, Worf was attending Riker & Troi's wedding at the start of Nemesis. They then board the Enterprise to head to Betazed, for that side of the wedding. As such, Worf would have gone along with his old crewmates. Then when the Enterprise got into trouble, he wouldn't have just stood by. He's not that type of character.
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** It's established in the episode that they can't send someone who is already in Starfleet Intelligence because they've been compromised, and they need someone who has the technical skills to make him appealing to the gang. Presumably, O'Brien has specific technical expertise and any number of other qualities that put him at the top of the list. Given that O'Brien does manage to perform the technical feats required of him and get into the gang's good graces, he was a good choice.
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** There is a novel which I dont remember the name of, but may have been a novelisation of an episode, where Worf thinks about how it was the ninth time they tried to establish a station in this area... basically nonsense then and now sure, but its at least an explanation that was put into print.

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** There is a novel which I dont remember the name of, but may have been a novelisation of an episode, episode (possibly Way of the Warrior) where Worf thinks about how it was the ninth time they tried to establish a station in this area... basically nonsense then and now sure, but its at least an explanation that was put into print.
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** There is a novel which I dont remember the name of, but may have been a novelisation of an episode, where Word thinks about how it was the ninth time they tried to establish a station in this area... nonsense then and now sure, but its at least an explanation that was put into print.

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** There is a novel which I dont remember the name of, but may have been a novelisation of an episode, where Word Worf thinks about how it was the ninth time they tried to establish a station in this area... basically nonsense then and now sure, but its at least an explanation that was put into print.
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** There is a novel which I dont remember the name of, but may have been a novelisation of an episode, where Word thinks about how it was the ninth time they tried to establish a station in this area... nonsense then and now sure, but its at least an explanation that was put into print.

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** There **There is a novel which I dont remember the name of, but may have been a novelisation of an episode, where Word thinks about how it was the ninth time they tried to establish a station in this area... nonsense then and now sure, but its at least an explanation that was put into print.
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**There is a novel which I dont remember the name of, but may have been a novelisation of an episode, where Word thinks about how it was the ninth time they tried to establish a station in this area... nonsense then and now sure, but its at least an explanation that was put into print.
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*** Lower Decks has an Andorian named Jennifer, so maybe there's some sort of tradition of Andorians adopting human names, for any of the reasons mentioned above.
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**** Interestingly, there's a historical precedent for just this sort of mission. In 1907, the US sent the Great White Fleet, consisting of 16 battleships and their support ships, on a cruise around the world. It was partially a mission of goodwill, and partially a show of force to forestall war with Japan. The circumstances are different here, but the thinking might have been the same: show the colors in as many friendly and neutral ports as possible, show our potential enemies that we're ready for them, and give some green sailors some time at sea.
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*** Or used it as a sort of pseudonym to better integrate with the people he'd be working with (as a real life parallel, people from foreign countries often adopt a name easier to pronounce in the place they're living (Shizuko to Sue, or Chkwube to Chuck, for example)

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