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* Why did the writers create Section 31? I mean it seems to run contrary to all Star Trek stands for doesn't it? What with Roddenberry's vision of the future being that we humans don't have "Big Brother" watching us from the shadows, doing nasty stuff that no one wants to think about because we'd grown out of our social and political infancy. I know I'm not all that comfortable with the idea, and I'm pretty sure Gene Roddenberry would have been all that keen on the idea while he was alive. So I guess my question is, why did the newer writers create it in the first place.

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* Why did the writers create Section 31? I mean it seems to run contrary to all Star Trek stands for doesn't it? What with Roddenberry's vision of the future being that we humans don't have "Big Brother" watching us from the shadows, doing nasty stuff that no one wants to think about because we'd grown out of our social and political infancy. I know I'm not all that comfortable with the idea, and I'm pretty sure Gene Roddenberry would wouldn't have been all that keen on the idea while he was alive. So I guess my question is, why did the newer writers create it in the first place.

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* Why did the writers create Section 31? I mean it seems to run contrary to all Star Trek stands for doesn't it? What with Roddenberry's vision of the future being that we humans don't have "Big Brother" watching us from the shadows, doing nasty stuff that no one wants to think about because we'd grown out of our social and political infancy. I know I'm not all that comfortable with the idea, and I'm pretty sure Gene Roddenberry would have been all that keen on the idea while he was alive. So I guess my question is, why did the newer writers create it in the first place.
** That's actually a really good question. In all honesty, I think most of the writers that came on after he died just lacked in vision and imagination. Now I'm not trying to be insulting but let's be honest. Behr himself once said "It's easy to be a saint in paradise. Why is Earth a paradise in the twenty-fourth century? Well, maybe it's because there's someone watching over it and doing the nasty stuff that no one wants to think about. Of course it's a very complicated issue. Extremely complicated. And those kinds of covert operations usually are wrong!" While Mr. Behr is right about modern earth, he seems to have forgotten that the story of Star Trek does not take place in a Dystopia. Like you said yourself, by the time of Star Trek we're supposed to have grown ''out'' of needing shadow government organizations and secret police. While imagine that Mr. Behr and people who simply don't like Gene Roddenberry have a counter argument for this observation, most likely that anyone who does not agree with them is being ''unfair''. While many over the years have accused Roddenberry of being an evil, lying, stealing and sadistic a-hole (and you know who you are). Most people (including the writers) seemed to have forgotten that it's not so much the man behind the idea, but the idea itself that' important. And as to the writers, they seem to lack as much imagination when It comes to there work. Because what made Roddenberry's storytelling so great wasn't the internal conflicts, but external ones. Roddenberry's work could be provocative while still giving the audience a UFP as a happy-go-lucky place where everyone gets along and the Prime Directive is always right." He and his writing staff were just that talented.
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*** The post-DS9 and post-Voyager (non-canon) books set up for that. Once they get quantum slipstream drive working, Dax is rather peeved when Starfleet refuse to assign her ship to an exploration of mission, as she was rather hoping she'd get to go to another galaxy. It's a bit of an off-hand comment (nobody else has yet either, it's not like there's not plenty of the Milky Way to explore still) but people are definitely thinking about it. I wouldn't hold your breath for another series with the movie reboot timeline going on though.
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*** "Or else we phaser you into submission!" It's not mentioned incredibly often, but a star ship's phasers can be set on stun just like the handhelds, and with a wide beam too. (See the original series episode "A Piece of the Action" for a demonstration of this.) Another possibility: "Or else we'll transport these six thousand troops we're carrying right into your citadel." ''Deep Space Nine'' in particular showed that the Federation does have ''some'' shock troops, and the ''Next Generation'' episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" indicated that the Enterprise-D on war footing was capable of carrying that many armed personnel at a time. Of course, considering some of the downright genocidal enemies the Federation was facing in each series, it might well be willing to get a bit nastier and say "Or else we'll release this brand new silicon-based virus of ours on your city; there's no cure and it's extremely contagious and deadly." In the case of the Dominion War, this was the very kind of enemy they were facing, and I should point out the Cardassians and Romulans didn't pull any of ''their'' punches trying to slag (what they thought to be) the Founders' home world. Again, some of the fighting ''was'' hand-to-hand or at least phaser-to-phaser, but this was mostly between troops on star ships and space stations, not on the ground. Having a military still makes sense in a future with transporters, but making them march across a field at each other does not.

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*** "Or else we phaser you into submission!" It's not mentioned incredibly often, but a star ship's phasers can be set on stun just like the handhelds, and with a wide beam too. (See the original series episode "A Piece of the Action" for a demonstration of this.) Another possibility: "Or else we'll transport these six thousand troops we're carrying right into your citadel." ''Deep Space Nine'' in particular showed that the Federation does have ''some'' shock troops, and the ''Next Generation'' episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" indicated that the Enterprise-D on war footing was capable of carrying housing that many armed personnel troops at a time. Of course, For that matter, considering some of the ruthless and downright genocidal enemies the Federation was facing in each series, it might well be willing to get a bit nastier and say "Or else we'll release this brand new silicon-based virus of ours on your city; planet; there's no known cure and it's extremely contagious and deadly." In the case of the Dominion War, this was the very kind of enemy they were the Federation was facing, and I should point out the Cardassians and Romulans certainly didn't pull any of ''their'' punches trying to slag (what they thought to be) the Founders' home world.world with their armada's weapons during their ill-fated attack on the Dominion. Again, some of the fighting ''was'' hand-to-hand or at least phaser-to-phaser, but this was mostly between troops on star ships and space stations, not on the ground. Having a military troops still makes sense in a future with energy shields and transporters, but making them march and roll artillery across a field at each other does not.not. Of course, over in the MirrorUniverse, where neither the Terran Empire nor the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance had any scruples whatsoever against slaughtering civilians, there's no question at all that anyone would be using scorched-earth tactics early and often.

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*** "what kind of space armada would bother with ground equipment for most of its engagements?" Uh, the kind that sometimes needs to secure ground targets without completely demolishing them in the process? A salvo of modern-day ICBMs (with or without nuclear warheads) can utterly annihilate an enemy city from miles away, and yet the American government has yet to phase out the US Army. It's all well and good to say "Surrender or we'll glass your city from orbit"...until someone calls your bluff. If your enemy knows you need the city intact, or is willing to gamble on you not being the type to wantonly slaughter civilians (which the Federation is decidedly not), then what do you do when you say "Surrender or else!" and the enemy responds "Or else ''what?''"

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*** "what "...what kind of space armada would bother with ground equipment for most of its engagements?" Uh, the kind that sometimes needs to secure ground targets without completely demolishing them in the process? A salvo of modern-day ICBMs [=ICBM=]s (with or without nuclear warheads) can utterly annihilate an enemy city from miles away, and yet the American government has yet to phase out the US Army. It's all well and good to say "Surrender or we'll glass your city from orbit"...orbit" ...until someone calls your bluff. If your enemy knows you need the city intact, or is willing to gamble on you not being the type to wantonly slaughter civilians (which the Federation is decidedly not), then what do you do when you say "Surrender or else!" and the enemy responds "Or else ''what?''"''what?''"
*** "Or else we phaser you into submission!" It's not mentioned incredibly often, but a star ship's phasers can be set on stun just like the handhelds, and with a wide beam too. (See the original series episode "A Piece of the Action" for a demonstration of this.) Another possibility: "Or else we'll transport these six thousand troops we're carrying right into your citadel." ''Deep Space Nine'' in particular showed that the Federation does have ''some'' shock troops, and the ''Next Generation'' episode "Yesterday's Enterprise" indicated that the Enterprise-D on war footing was capable of carrying that many armed personnel at a time. Of course, considering some of the downright genocidal enemies the Federation was facing in each series, it might well be willing to get a bit nastier and say "Or else we'll release this brand new silicon-based virus of ours on your city; there's no cure and it's extremely contagious and deadly." In the case of the Dominion War, this was the very kind of enemy they were facing, and I should point out the Cardassians and Romulans didn't pull any of ''their'' punches trying to slag (what they thought to be) the Founders' home world. Again, some of the fighting ''was'' hand-to-hand or at least phaser-to-phaser, but this was mostly between troops on star ships and space stations, not on the ground. Having a military still makes sense in a future with transporters, but making them march across a field at each other does not.
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*** "Education is negatively correlated with religious belief"? -- Learn what Jews believe about education, study Jewish and Islamic history, and see if you still think that. Not all religious belief, not even all Christian belief, is blind, mindless faith.
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When the Borg enter a ship they can walk through internal forcefields by "matching phase" with them. This means that when they are doing this you know what phase the Borg drone is using for shielding. Why don't troops just adjust their weapons to counter this known phase set up forcefields and chokepoints to massacare any Borg boarding parties?

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When the Borg enter a ship they can walk through internal forcefields by "matching phase" with them. This means that when they are doing this you know what phase the Borg drone is using for shielding. Why don't troops just adjust their weapons to counter this known phase phase, set up forcefields and chokepoints to massacare any Borg boarding parties?

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Why do Borg cubes travel facing flat side forwards? If they point a corner towards their target then they would be able to bring 3 sides worth of weapons to bear against an opponent instead of only one - matti23

When the Borg enter a ship they can walk through internal forcefields by "matching phase" with them. This means that when they are doing this you know what phase the Borg drone is using for shielding. Why don't troops just adjust their weapons to counter this known phase set up forcefields and chokepoints to massacare any Borg boarding parties?
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*** "Did the apparent deficit of non-white extras somehow negate Star Trek's message of tolerance and coexistence? Is the moral of the show somehow rendered invalid just because there aren't enough black people milling around in the background?" Yes and no. File it under UnfortunateImplications -- the kind of thing that certainly isn't intentional and no one in particular is to blame, but it still ends up reflecting societal values in a way that is, well, unfortunate (except for the implication that non-white = black, although a great many Americans seem to like to forget that other racial minorities exist). Here's why: there is a tendency in Euro-American society to treat whiteness as a kind of default. Black people are black people, Native people are Native people, but white people are simply people and are presumed to be able to represent humanity seemingly through lacking race (check out Richard Dyer's book ''White'' for a good primer on this). StarTrek, while certainly deserving respect for advances in depictions of minorities, still mostly abides by this; as you note, even Star Trek's purportedly postracial future ends up mostly being a white one. For a related point, see this study of the overrepresentation of English and Irish names for StarTrek characters http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/human_names.htm. StarTrek is most certainly not unique in this regard, but it seems possible to suggest that it did less to correct it than it might have. That's all I am suggesting here.

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*** "Did the apparent deficit of non-white extras somehow negate Star Trek's message of tolerance and coexistence? Is the moral of the show somehow rendered invalid just because there aren't enough black people milling around in the background?" Yes and no. File it under UnfortunateImplications -- the kind of thing that certainly isn't intentional and no one in particular is to blame, and indeed may have real-world protection concerns behind it, but it still ends up reflecting societal values in a way that is, well, unfortunate (except for the implication that non-white = black, although a great many Americans seem to like to forget that other racial minorities exist). Here's why: there is a tendency in Euro-American society to treat whiteness as a kind of default. Black people are black people, Native people are Native people, etc. but white people are simply people and are presumed to be able to represent humanity seemingly through lacking race (check out Richard Dyer's book ''White'' for a good primer on this). StarTrek, while certainly deserving respect for advances in depictions of minorities, still mostly abides by this; as you note, even Star Trek's purportedly postracial future ends up mostly being a white one. For a related point, see this study of the overrepresentation of English and Irish names for StarTrek characters http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/human_names.htm. StarTrek is most certainly not unique in this regard, but it seems possible to suggest that it did less to correct it than it might have. That's all I am suggesting saying here.
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*** "Did the apparent deficit of non-white extras somehow negate Star Trek's message of tolerance and coexistence? Is the moral of the show somehow rendered invalid just because there aren't enough black people milling around in the background?" Yes and no. File it under UnfortunateImplications -- the kind of thing that certainly isn't intentional and no one in particular is to blame, but it still ends up reflecting societal values in a way that is, well, unfortunate (except for the implication that non-white = black, although a great many Americans seem to like to forget that other racial minorities exist). Here's why: there is a tendency in Euro-American society to treat whiteness as a kind of default. Black people are black people, Native people are Native people, but white people are simply people and are presumed to be able to represent humanity seemingly through lacking race (check out Richard Dyer's book ''White'' for a good primer on this). StarTrek, while certainly deserving respect for advances in depictions of minorities, still mostly abides by this; as you note, even Star Trek's purportedly postracial future ends up mostly being a white one. For a related point, see this study of the overrepresentation of English and Irish names for StarTrek characters http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/human_names.htm. StarTrek is most certainly not unique in this regard, but it seems possible to suggest that it did less to correct it than it might have. That's all I am suggesting here.


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*** Sterilization refers to the elimination of microbial life. DNA is contained in microbial life. The Enterprise is unable to collect any DNA from the planet after what Nu'Daq did to it. Q.E.D., what he did to it counts as sterilizing the planet. If there is ever a case for which "killed every living thing" and "complete sterilization" certainly coincide, this is it (for instance, the Cardassians and Romulans wouldn't have cared much about whether they kill microbes on the Changeling homeworld -- Nu'Daq's whole point is killing everything down to the last microbe). But this distinction is a minor issue compared to the bigger point: what Nu'Daq does seems to be far too easy. The only thing I can think is that the when the Enterprise arrives as the "plasma reaction" is underway (soon to be accompanied by a dramatic special effect), and we don't know how long it took to that point -- could be that it was a fairly slow process and they are just seeing its crescendo.

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*** Funny you mention 'forcing dogma' since I could say the same thing about any philosophy, including atheism. There isn't any such thing as neutrality. Also, if you seriously believe that your faith or philosophy is the best, would you not want to let others know about it so they too could benefit from it? Telling those that are interested about your faith is not forcing anything. Forcing others to join anything at bayonet point to join anything, however, is a problem.



** No offense, but it sounds like you just watered down religious beliefs into meaninglessness, particularly with the 'marriage' example. According to the Bible (since most of those using that phrase are Christian) marriage can easily be found to be defined as being between one man and one woman, not so much for those of the same gender. The fact that there is even a debate over this anywhere that once called itself Christian shows just how much (lack of) belief affects a culture. It might make more sense to say that religions are there but, with no extremely large percentage, especially when you go past Earth to include all the different cultures just within the Federation, they have less of an effect on the culture of the Federation as a whole than if the number of their numbers were larger.



*** Sterilization refers to the elimination of microbial life. DNA is contained in microbial life. The Enterprise is unable to collect any DNA from the planet after what Nu'Daq did to it. Q.E.D., what he did to it counts as sterilizing the planet. I don't see how this is even an issue!
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*** Sterilization refers to the elimination of microbial life. DNA is contained in microbial life. The Enterprise is unable to collect any DNA from the planet after what Nu'Daq did to it. Q.E.D., what he did to it counts as sterilizing the planet. I don't see how this is even an issue!

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DATA: All life on the planet is being destroyed, sir.
RIKER: Why would anyone want to destroy all the life on an uninhabited, neutral planet with no strategic importance whatsoever?
and later:
PICARD: I believe that one of you has a fragment from Indri Eight.
NU'DAQ: Yes. And there will be no other samples from Indri Eight.
OCETT: What is that supposed to mean?
PICARD: He destroyed the biosphere of the planet after he had taken the sample.
OCETT: Typical Klingon thinking. Take what you want and destroy the rest.

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---> DATA: All life on the planet is being destroyed, sir.
---> RIKER: Why would anyone want to destroy all the life on an uninhabited, neutral planet with no strategic importance whatsoever?
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---> PICARD: I believe that one of you has a fragment from Indri Eight.
---> NU'DAQ: Yes. And there will be no other samples from Indri Eight.
---> OCETT: What is that supposed to mean?
---> PICARD: He destroyed the biosphere of the planet after he had taken the sample.
---> OCETT: Typical Klingon thinking. Take what you want and destroy the rest.rest.
*** Actually it is kind of ambiguous. If the Enterprise came upon a ship that had been attacked by space pirates who murdered everyone on board, would you fault them for saying the pirates "wiped out" or "killed every living thing" on the ship even though there are probably still bacteria and other microorganisms hanging around? Nu'Daq rendered the planet uninhabitable and killed every flora and fauna that could be used to take a DNA sample. That much is indisputable. But whether that's the same thing as "complete sterilization" is another matter. Considering his obsession with absolute precision, I think if Data had meant to say "the planet is completely sterilized" he would have.
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*** "For the record, typing "ahem" actually makes something less polite, not more." No, it's a way for the other person to save face. I could have been a lot more insulting but I chose not to be, because it seemed clear that the mistake was an innocent one. And extras often are hired off the street. Especially for newer shows that haven't yet proven their staying power. What you "suspect" about the situation and what actually ''is'' are two different things. You really overestimate how represented minorities were in the acting industry in the 80s and early 90s (or even today). Sure, it would have been ''possible'' for them to have cast a more "even" racial balance of extras for the show. And who knows? Maybe if they asked a casting agency for exactly X number of minority extras by next Friday the agency would have said "Oh sure! We just happen to have X minority extras available right now." Or ''maybe they wouldn't''. Maybe the agency wouldn't be able to muster up that many on short notice, forcing them to delay the shoot until the right number of extras can be found. That's the problem. It's all a gamble. A gamble that, in the grand scheme of things, really isn't worth taking. Did the apparent deficit of non-white extras somehow negate Star Trek's message of tolerance and coexistence? Is the moral of the show somehow rendered invalid just because there aren't enough black people milling around in the background? And as a troper below points out, if we really get down to it the ''most'' realistic thing would be for almost all the human characters (including the main actors) to be racially ambiguous. If this truly is a post-racial future, shouldn't the races be so blended as to be almost indistinguishable?

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*** The fact that Nu'Daq set out to (and succeeded at) sterilizing the planet is a plot point; he was doing it to make sure nobody else could get the piece of the DNA-puzzle after him.

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*** The fact that Nu'Daq set out to (and succeeded at) sterilizing the planet is a plot point; he was doing it to make sure nobody else could get the piece of the DNA-puzzle after him. It's unambiguous:
DATA: All life on the planet is being destroyed, sir.
RIKER: Why would anyone want to destroy all the life on an uninhabited, neutral planet with no strategic importance whatsoever?
and later:
PICARD: I believe that one of you has a fragment from Indri Eight.
NU'DAQ: Yes. And there will be no other samples from Indri Eight.
OCETT: What is that supposed to mean?
PICARD: He destroyed the biosphere of the planet after he had taken the sample.
OCETT: Typical Klingon thinking. Take what you want and destroy the rest.
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*** For the record, typing "ahem" actually makes something less polite, not more. This all makes it sound like you think extras are hired off the street, rather than through large, well-established casting agencies. I suspect that if we examined the pool of L.A. extras, we would find that there would a sufficient number of non-white people willing to work -- provided you think to ask. My guess is that nobody asked, simply because this was an element of the production sufficiently uncoupled from those making creative decisions.
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*** The fact that Nu'Daq set out to (and succeeded at) sterilizing the planet is a plot point; he was doing it to make sure nobody else could get the piece of the DNA-puzzle after him.
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*** "Ahem what?" What do you mean "what?" What's not to get? I was trying to ''politely'' say that I thought your response (assuming you are the same troper I was responding to; if not I apologize) was naive. Firstly, Hollywood may be more diverse than most cities but the ''acting industry'' isn't. The profession was and is still dominated by white actors. So right from the start your choice of extras is limited. Secondly, because extras are often cast after everything else has been finalized, you have a very slim window to vet them, hire them, and drill them for their stage business before shooting begins. If you can't find a diverse enough group of extras you have to delay the shoot, which throws off the entire production schedule and can quickly snowball into an ungodly snow-''boulder'' of costs. You might think Trek's $1.3 million per episode budget would allow them the luxury to do that, but in fact it's the opposite. The reason Trek had such a large budget was because they needed it for the new and expensive special effects they would be using almost every episode, not to mention the costumes, alien prosthetics, props, and sets. It's not like a family sitcom where no special effects are necessary, you can buy the wardrobe at the local thrift store, and your set can be a repaint from some other show. In Trek, 99% of what you see on screen had to be custom made for the show. They had to save money anywhere they could, so any expense that wasn't strictly necessary was on the chopping block. And for most episodes it wasn't strictly necessary to go on a scavenger hunt for as many racially diverse extras as they could find, so they just hired whoever was available. And apparently most of the ones available were white. Unfortunate, but there it is.
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** I think you're misremembering what happened in "The Chase". What Nu'Daq did was destroy the ''atmosphere'' of the planet. Obviously that would kill the vast majority of life-forms on that planet, but that's hardly the same as complete sterilization. And what the Cardassians and Romulans tried to do in "The Die Is Cast" was ''completely destroy the planet'', not merely wipe out all life on it. They wanted to blast away the crust and the mantle, and I suppose if they had time they would have destroyed what was left after that as well. I don't know about you but that sounds like the sort of thing that would take a lot more time and effort than a mere "plasma reaction".
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*** I find just about every part of this post puzzling, not the least the presence of "(ahem)." Ahem what? Do you think that non-white people get paid more as extras? -- in Hollywood, extras are virtually always paid union scale. Or is it that you think L.A. is such a monoracial city that they'd have to, say, import non-white people in from faraway and exotic parts of the world at great expense so they can walk around in the background of scenes? Or that the budget for extras is more than a drop in the bucket for a show that cost at least $1.3 million an episode? Why would it be impractical to find non-white extras? Perhaps I am not understanding: are you seriously saying "they had to cast white people because that's all they could afford"? Because as a defense for lack of diversity, that is a pretty weak one.
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*** "Whoopie was a morale officer, someone who you could talk to about your problems or whatever and someone who wasn't required to answer to anyone (so she wouldn't have to tell your secrets if she was ordered to)." WOW. That's an...interesting angle to take. Now I'm wondering even more why anyone listens to Counselor Troi if she can be ordered to violate doctor-patient confidentiality by anyone who outranks her.

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***** "They don't fit the traditional philosophical definition of "God". They're not all powerful." That's ''A'' philosophical definition of God. Not ''THE'' philosophical definition of God. Many if not the majority of cultures on Earth did not use that definition. The Ancient Greeks, for instance, did not consider their Gods to be all-powerful. They had limits. They could be tricked. They could even be ''killed''. Yet we still call them Gods. [[NoSuchThingAsSpaceJesus How are the Q any different?]]



*** If you're referring to Fek'lhr, that's definitely not the same thing. Fek'lhr is an avatar of punishment (and not considered a deity by Klingons). Whereas the Devil is the personification of evil itself. Fek'lhr is closer to Cerberus or Hades.



*** I find just about every part of this post puzzling, not the least the presence of "(ahem)." Ahem what? Do you think that non-white people get paid more as extras? -- in Hollywood, extras are virtually always paid union scale. Or is it that you think L.A. is such a monoracial city that they'd have to, say, import non-white people in from faraway and exotic parts of the world at great expense so they can walk around in the background of scenes? Or that the budget for extras is more than a drop in the bucket for a show that cost at least $1.3 million an episode? Why, why, why would it be impractical to find non-white extras? Perhaps I am not understanding: are you seriously saying "they had to cast white people because that's all they could afford"? Because as a defense for lack of diversity, that is a pretty weak one.
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*** I find just about every part of this post puzzling, not the least the presence of "(ahem)." Ahem what? Do you think that non-white people get paid more as extras? -- in Hollywood, extras are virtually always paid union scale. Or is it that you think L.A. is such a monoracial city that they'd have to, say, import non-white people in from faraway and exotic parts of the world at great expense so they can walk around in the background of scenes? Or that the budget for extras is more than a drop in the bucket for a show that cost at least $1.3 million an episode? Why, why, why would it be impractical to find non-white extras?

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*** I find just about every part of this post puzzling, not the least the presence of "(ahem)." Ahem what? Do you think that non-white people get paid more as extras? -- in Hollywood, extras are virtually always paid union scale. Or is it that you think L.A. is such a monoracial city that they'd have to, say, import non-white people in from faraway and exotic parts of the world at great expense so they can walk around in the background of scenes? Or that the budget for extras is more than a drop in the bucket for a show that cost at least $1.3 million an episode? Why, why, why would it be impractical to find non-white extras? Perhaps I am not understanding: are you seriously saying "they had to cast white people because that's all they could afford"? Because as a defense for lack of diversity, that is a pretty weak one.
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*** I find just about every part of this post puzzling, not the least the presence of "(ahem)." Ahem what? Do you think that non-white people get paid more as extras (in Hollywood, extras are virtually always paid union scale)? Or is it that you think L.A. is such a monoracial city that they'd have to, say, import non-white people in from faraway and exotic parts of the world so they can walk around in the background of scenes? Or that the budget for extras is more than a drop in the bucket for a show that cost at least $1.3 million an episode? Why, why, why would it be anything other than practical to find non-white extras?

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*** I find just about every part of this post puzzling, not the least the presence of "(ahem)." Ahem what? Do you think that non-white people get paid more as extras (in extras? -- in Hollywood, extras are virtually always paid union scale)? scale. Or is it that you think L.A. is such a monoracial city that they'd have to, say, import non-white people in from faraway and exotic parts of the world at great expense so they can walk around in the background of scenes? Or that the budget for extras is more than a drop in the bucket for a show that cost at least $1.3 million an episode? Why, why, why would it be anything other than practical impractical to find non-white extras?
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*** I find just about every part of this post puzzling, not the least the presence of "(ahem)." Ahem what? Do you think that non-white people get paid more as extras (in Hollywood, extras are virtually always paid union scale)? Or is it that you think L.A. is such a monoracial city that they'd have to, say, import non-white people in from faraway and exotic parts of the world so they can walk around in the background of scenes? Or that the budget for extras is more than a drop in the bucket for a show that cost at least $1.3 million an episode? Why, why, why would it be anything other than practical to find non-white extras?
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*** Except a holodeck isn't a locked room, a tv, a VCR, and five movies. It's a fully immersive ''virtual world'' that is infinitely variable and infinitely customizable. For your analogy to work you would have to assume that instead of being locked in a room with only 5 movies to watch, you were locked in a room with ''infinity'' movies to watch. All of them with the most spectacular resolution and realistic special effects you can imagine and with fully interactive characters that you can talk to and hang out with. Hell, you could BE the star of every movie if you wanted to. You could bag any Hollywood Hottie/Hunk anytime, anywhere, any''way'' you wanted. You could even create your own movies. You could even spend years rewriting every movie that disappointed you ''and then watch your new creation play out before your very eyes''. And you could (potentially) share your newly written creations with other people around the world, who would in turn share their creations with you. Would ''some'' people get bored with that? Maybe. But then, it's entirely possible for ''some'' people to recreationally snort crack cocaine and never become addicted. You're right about one thing, though. Holodecks and replicators do need fuel to keep running. But, think about this for a second. Does that really sound like a bright future to you? An entire civilization that lives only to keep their holodecks and replicators working?
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*** On that note, I really wish scifi writers (and Trek writers in particular) would give up this fantasy of making their shows "universal" or "timeless". Because it's never gonna happen. Any tv show, movie, book, etc. that speculates about what the future might hold will ''inevitably'' become dated after a certain point. Especially for a franchise that prides itself on insightful social commentary and clever allegories for real-world issues, like Trek does. HistoryMarchesOn and all that. There's ''nothing wrong'' with making a period-specific show.
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*** (ahem) There's a little thing called "practicality" that makes that difficult. A scifi tv show needs to save as much money as possible for sets, props, and special effects. They couldn't afford to be that choosy with their extras. It's easy for you to say what they ''should'' have done when ''you'' don't have to manage their budget.

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