History Headscratchers / StarTrek

19th Sep '17 11:53:07 PM harlbior
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** Klingon choices in uniforms and weapons make more sense if you think of the crew of a Klingon ship less as a crew of SWAT officers and more as a crew of Viking cosplayers. Klingon armor, while offering some protection, is likely more designed to pay homage to their warrior heritage than to be practical. Cleavage windows might have been a feature of traditional Klingon female armor that remained in style over the centuries. It's worth noting that this style of armor is seen almost exclusively on Lursa and B'etor, who are political opportunists who aren't afraid to throw in seduction in their schemes, and Ch'Rega, who grew up in a Klingon messiah cult that abandoned the Empire a century ago. Other Klingon female armor (such as the outfits worn by Kh'ehlyr or the female bridge officer from Soldiers of the Empire) seem to avoid this.
19th Sep '17 10:26:37 PM harlbior
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---> DATA: All life on the planet is being destroyed, sir.
---> RIKER: Why would anyone want to destroy all the life on an uninhabited, neutral planet with no strategic importance whatsoever?

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---> DATA: '''Data:''' All life on the planet is being destroyed, sir.
---> RIKER: '''Riker:''' Why would anyone want to destroy all the life on an uninhabited, neutral planet with no strategic importance whatsoever?



---> PICARD: I believe that one of you has a fragment from Indri Eight.
---> NU'DAQ: Yes. And there will be no other samples from Indri Eight.
---> OCETT: What is that supposed to mean?
---> PICARD: He destroyed the biosphere of the planet after he had taken the sample.
---> OCETT: Typical Klingon thinking. Take what you want and destroy the rest.

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---> PICARD: '''Picard:''' I believe that one of you has a fragment from Indri Eight.
---> NU'DAQ: '''Nu'Daq:''' Yes. And there will be no other samples from Indri Eight.
---> OCETT: '''Ocett:''' What is that supposed to mean?
---> PICARD: '''Picard:''' He destroyed the biosphere of the planet after he had taken the sample.
---> OCETT: '''Ocett:''' Typical Klingon thinking. Take what you want and destroy the rest.



** BASHIR: Modern playwrights have become obsessed with writing human interpretations of alien theatrical works while ignoring completely our own unique cultural heritage in hopes of...

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** BASHIR: --> '''Bashir:''' Modern playwrights have become obsessed with writing human interpretations of alien theatrical works while ignoring completely our own unique cultural heritage in hopes of...
19th Sep '17 8:57:36 PM harlbior
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*** Colonel Worf (no, not ''[[IThoughtYouMeant that]]'' Worf) said "This is not Klingon Blood" after he stuck his fingers into a pool of blood and ran it across his fingers. He never said it was the wrong color. A man belonging to a culture that has so many blood-drawing rituals should realize fairly quickly when the texture or temperature of fresh blood feels way off, similar to how a human might realize that red Kool-Aid isn't human blood.
17th Sep '17 6:07:20 PM nombretomado
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* Another problem with human races on the series is that, realistically, in Franchise/StarTrek's post-racial future, we should see many more people who would appear racially traceless to our eyes, the results of centuries worth of mixing. Hard to cast, obviously. Also, surnames will be a less reliable predictor of outward appearance (a point ArthurCClarke makes in ''3001: The Final Odyssey'' with, for instance, a character of outwardly Japanese appearance named Indra Wallace. Of course, it's not easy to cast post-racial -- much easier to cast multi-racial.

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* Another problem with human races on the series is that, realistically, in Franchise/StarTrek's post-racial future, we should see many more people who would appear racially traceless to our eyes, the results of centuries worth of mixing. Hard to cast, obviously. Also, surnames will be a less reliable predictor of outward appearance (a point ArthurCClarke Creator/ArthurCClarke makes in ''3001: The Final Odyssey'' with, for instance, a character of outwardly Japanese appearance named Indra Wallace. Of course, it's not easy to cast post-racial -- much easier to cast multi-racial.
7th Sep '17 7:25:38 AM NewVirginiaCreeper
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* This is really a question about the peculiar thing called "job satisfaction." No job is intrinsically satisfying or unsatisfying. Just about any job ''can'' be fulfilling to the person doing it; conversely, any job can be unfulfilling (I'm sure we all know people who are miserable in what would seem to be a "dream job"). The Federation has two advantages. One, it's very large: unhappy with your job? There's bound to be another one somewhere that suits you, and there's a strong likelihood that social engineering exits to be connect people with the jobs they'll do best in (since fulfilment and productivity tend to run together, this is overall best for society). The other is that, as a Utopian enterprise, if people buy the "dream" of the Federation (often framed in quasi-religious terms, as with Sisko in "The Ship"), then it becomes much easier to derive satisfaction from working to maintain that dream, even as a small cog in a vast machine. Furthermore, in a post-scarcity future like the one we see, it seems likely a lot of people maintain a "work to live" mentality; put in whatever hours necessary at whatever they do and even if that's no fun, a few hours in the Holodeck or strolling the paradise that is Earth make all the difference.
** I hasten to add, however, that the presence of characters like Richard Bashir for whom the work prospects of the future seem to have barely panned out. Adds a touch of realism (even a great system is bound to fail a few people now and again) or, on a darker note, reveals the cracks in the system.



*** Frankly, short of an actual archival investigation of what these calls for extras actually said, this line of discussion becomes unproductive.



*** Maybe the borg are really well insulated?

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*** Maybe the borg Borg are really well insulated?
1st Sep '17 3:58:55 AM HalcyonDayz
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*** The Technical Manuals make note on this. The DS9 TM states the largest replicator that Starfleet has was only 50m x 70m or so. Big enough for parts, but not enough for whole starships. The TNG manual does one better and states, "If you could replicate a starship, you wouldn't need to." Replication is energy intensive, and if you have the wherewithal to replicate something that big and complicated, then you have the technology and energy budget that lets you play in the "godlike races" end of the pool.

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*** The Technical Manuals make note on this. The DS9 [=DS9=] TM states the largest replicator that Starfleet has was only 50m x 70m or so. Big enough for parts, but not enough for whole starships. The TNG manual does one better and states, "If you could replicate a starship, you wouldn't need to." Replication is energy intensive, and if you have the wherewithal to replicate something that big and complicated, then you have the technology and energy budget that lets you play in the "godlike races" end of the pool.



*** While that is true for season 4, Enterprise extremely guilty of this in their first three seasons. As for the question itself, the big reason is probably that for a huge chunk of the fandom, seeing new kinds of aliens every week is significant part of the appeal. "To seek out new life and new civilizations" and all. People to this day still joke about DS9's stationary setting and Kelvin Timeline recieved complaints about not having any new aliens (before Beyond).

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*** While that is true for season 4, Enterprise extremely guilty of this in their first three seasons. As for the question itself, the big reason is probably that for a huge chunk of the fandom, seeing new kinds of aliens every week is significant part of the appeal. "To seek out new life and new civilizations" and all. People to this day still joke about DS9's [=DS9=]'s stationary setting and Kelvin Timeline recieved received complaints about not having any new aliens (before Beyond).



** The commodity currency latinum, mostly mentioned in [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]], supposedly cannot be replicated, but can be transported.

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** The commodity currency latinum, mostly mentioned in [[Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine DS9]], [=DS9=]]], supposedly cannot be replicated, but can be transported.
7th Aug '17 5:44:17 PM brolaf
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[[folder: Federation Armour]]

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[[folder: Federation Armour]]Armor]]
7th Aug '17 5:43:35 PM brolaf
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*** Worf built a one-shot shield generator out of a combadge and a telegraph in Fistful of Datas.
7th Aug '17 12:24:39 PM isolato
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*** Only ''male'' mules [[ConvictionByCounterfactualClue are invariably infertile]], females are sometimes fertile. This doesn't merge ''Equus asinus'' and ''Equus caballus'' into a single species. (Producing fertile offspring could made the hybrids a legitimate species in its own right, but it would not merge the parent species into one - e.g. ''Beefalos'' are hybrid of domestic cattle and bisons - which are still separate species.) Klingons evolved outside Earth - they would be not even classified as belonging to genus ''Homo'', let alone species ''Homo sapiens''.
*** B'Elanna Torres had to underwent some form of [[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS7E11Lineage genetic manipulation]] (which she attempted to modify even further on her own, so the child would not have Klingon cranial ridges) which made her pregnancy possible - because nothing is mentioned in K'ehlyr's instance (perhaps due to the LawOfConservationOfDetail), it does not mean that otherwise is unassisted pregnancy feasible.

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*** **** Only ''male'' mules [[ConvictionByCounterfactualClue are invariably infertile]], females are sometimes fertile. This doesn't merge ''Equus asinus'' and ''Equus caballus'' into a single species. (Producing fertile offspring could made the hybrids a legitimate species in its own right, but it would not merge the parent species into one - e.g. ''Beefalos'' are hybrid of domestic cattle and bisons - which are still separate species.) Klingons evolved outside Earth - they would be not even classified as belonging to genus ''Homo'', let alone species ''Homo sapiens''.
*** **** B'Elanna Torres had to underwent some form of [[Recap/StarTrekVoyagerS7E11Lineage genetic manipulation]] (which she attempted to modify even further on her own, so the child would not have Klingon cranial ridges) which made her pregnancy possible - because nothing is mentioned in K'ehlyr's instance (perhaps due to the LawOfConservationOfDetail), it does not mean that otherwise is unassisted pregnancy feasible.
7th Aug '17 12:22:29 PM isolato
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* Starfleet is the quintessential MildlyMilitary organization, basically being the only agency of the Federation for the outer space we get to see. This ''also'' includes military responsibility, but it seems that the military part is being taken only reluctantly, and when necessarily needed - e.g. after the Wolf 359 and during the Dominion War, and purely military capabilities being rapidly reduced or lost in peacetime (e.g. Riker - or Picard? - claiming in an early NG episode that combat skills are just not much important for a starship captain or disappearance of =[MACOs]= between STE and TOS). It seems to be modelled more after the UsefulNotes/CoastGuard and/or the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOAA_Commissioned_Officer_Corps NOAA Corps]] - uniformed service organized along military lines, but with more substantial responsibilites in areas of exploration, rescue and law enforcement, and geared more towards the 'military' part only when needed, not a classical SpaceNavy. After all this is the organization which disposed of SpaceMarine-like =[MACOs]= and replaced them with the original RedShirts.
* That said, it seems that TNG and =[DS9]= writers gradually repurposed the Starfleet to being in charge of basically everything in space, (while in TOS era Captain Kirk was sometimes involved in InterServiceRivalry with members of other Federation agencies/departments) and later seasons of =[DS9]=, during the Dominion war, had definitely the "military is running everything" vibe.

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* Starfleet is the quintessential MildlyMilitary organization, basically being the only agency of the Federation for the outer space we get to see. This ''also'' includes military responsibility, but it seems that the military part is being taken only reluctantly, and when necessarily needed - e.g. after the Wolf 359 and during the Dominion War, and purely military capabilities being rapidly reduced or lost in peacetime (e.g. Riker - or Picard? - claiming in an early NG episode that combat skills are just not much important for a starship captain or disappearance of =[MACOs]= [=MACOs=] between STE and TOS). It seems to be modelled more after the UsefulNotes/CoastGuard and/or the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NOAA_Commissioned_Officer_Corps NOAA Corps]] - uniformed service organized along military lines, but with more substantial responsibilites in areas of exploration, rescue and law enforcement, and geared more towards the 'military' part only when needed, not a classical SpaceNavy. After all this is the organization which disposed of SpaceMarine-like =[MACOs]= [=MACOs=] and replaced them with the original RedShirts.
* That said, it seems that TNG and =[DS9]= [=DS9=] writers gradually repurposed the Starfleet to being in charge of basically everything in space, (while in TOS era Captain Kirk was sometimes involved in InterServiceRivalry with members of other Federation agencies/departments) and later seasons of =[DS9]=, [=DS9=], during the Dominion war, had definitely the "military is running everything" vibe.
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