History Headscratchers / StarTrek

24th Jun '17 1:37:32 PM nombretomado
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** There actually is a point where ''it's a TV show'' becomes a valid excuse when we're dealing with a franchise that A) Started in 1963 B) Enjoys its RuleOfCool and C) That design being just about as iconic as the Police box from DoctorWho.

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** There actually is a point where ''it's a TV show'' becomes a valid excuse when we're dealing with a franchise that A) Started in 1963 B) Enjoys its RuleOfCool and C) That design being just about as iconic as the Police box from DoctorWho.''Series/DoctorWho''.
23rd Jun '17 9:49:51 AM NicoleIlieva
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**** OK, but getting into Starfleet is no easy task (going off by TNG, I would even say that the exam is the same for everyone, except possibly medics) and they pick the brightest people for every single division. Redshirts would not be as smart as blue shirts or even yellow shirts, but they hardly would lack talent. Jokes aside, the biggest/most important security defenses on a ship would be the weapons system which means every red shirt should know them inside out - Malcolm Reed probably had more instances of thinkering with and upgraging the weapon systems than Trip working on the warp drive (probably). And has army recruits ever been a problem in the real world, let alone the future where all those people are actually exploring space? And another thing I've noticed is unlike the flagships, other USS vessels we see rarely have more dead red shirts; I can even recall a few instances when they were like 5-6 yellow and blue shirts dead and only one red (shown at the very least).
17th Jun '17 1:26:28 PM nombretomado
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** [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale Star Trek Critics have No Sense Of Scale]]. Starfleet is a large organisation, granted, however it's staffing levels pale into insignificance compared to the population base it can draw on. Take Earth, population around the 4 Billion mark in the Trek Era that is one single planet. The Federation has 150 member planets, plus countless colonies and allies. Now, of those 150 the population probably bobs around a bit but for most will be in the billions (most likely between 2 and 10 billion). That is a huge population pool to draw from. Even if only a tiny fraction of a percent of the population want to be in Starfleet then Starfleet will still have more applicants than they can handle. We've seen how difficult it is to get accepted to the fleet, only the best of the best, of the best, of the best [[AndZoidberg and Harry Kim]] even get to the entry test. And most of those who take the entry test fail. In the unlikely event of there being a shortage all Starfleet needs to do is lower the standards a tiny little bit and they are back to having more than they can handle. Plus even with the conflicts like the Dominion War you are still unlikely to die or be killed. After all, even in WW1 most soldiers who marched off to war marched home again no worse for wear, we just notice deaths more than survivals, so the people bright enough to look at the numbers (which is the group Starfleet wants anyway) will not be put off applying. And as I said they've got a population pool upwards of 300 Billion to recruit from.

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** [[SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale Star Trek Critics have No Sense Of Scale]]. Starfleet is a large organisation, granted, however it's staffing levels pale into insignificance compared to the population base it can draw on. Take Earth, population around the 4 Billion mark in the Trek Era that is one single planet. The Federation has 150 member planets, plus countless colonies and allies. Now, of those 150 the population probably bobs around a bit but for most will be in the billions (most likely between 2 and 10 billion). That is a huge population pool to draw from. Even if only a tiny fraction of a percent of the population want to be in Starfleet then Starfleet will still have more applicants than they can handle. We've seen how difficult it is to get accepted to the fleet, only the best of the best, of the best, of the best [[AndZoidberg and Harry Kim]] even get to the entry test. And most of those who take the entry test fail. In the unlikely event of there being a shortage all Starfleet needs to do is lower the standards a tiny little bit and they are back to having more than they can handle. Plus even with the conflicts like the Dominion War you are still unlikely to die or be killed. After all, even in WW1 UsefulNotes/WW1 most soldiers who marched off to war marched home again no worse for wear, we just notice deaths more than survivals, so the people bright enough to look at the numbers (which is the group Starfleet wants anyway) will not be put off applying. And as I said they've got a population pool upwards of 300 Billion to recruit from.
16th Jun '17 7:50:32 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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** I wonder if Kirk remained controversial in death, and that there was also some Kirk-hated nixing naming things after him, even a century later.
12th Jun '17 7:55:03 PM NewVirginiaCreeper
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*** Indeed, the idea of a species where both sexes have heats makes no biological sense, alien biology or others.
12th Jun '17 2:19:42 PM thatsnumberwang
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** She's not experiencing anything because female pon farr was a retcon designed to allow us to see Jolene Blalock in her underwear. No women were ever mentioned as being on heat beforehand or was ever spoken of as being anything other than an all-male condition (Torres is more of an example of MindRape and even then, if we are willing to take this as evidence of female pon farr, it still came years after this episode).
12th Jun '17 2:25:51 AM tafelshrew
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** Well the issue here is that we are talking of not only a different culture, but a totally different alien species with different mind set and even biology, that does not responds to the same social standards. For example there is no indication that there are non-heterosexual Vulcans, probably because Vulcans see sex as something for reproduction and/or to apease the Pont Farr. In that regard, althogh the possibility exists that someone near is unwilling, most Vulcans will see the sex during another Vulcan's Pont Farr to be a duty (we see this in the movie Star Trek 3). As if a women can be the challenger for herself, yes we see that in an episode of Voyager.

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** Well the issue here is that we are talking of not only a different culture, but a totally different alien species with different mind set and even biology, that does not responds to the same social standards. For example there is no indication that there are non-heterosexual Vulcans, probably because Vulcans see sex as something for reproduction and/or to apease the Pont Pon Farr. In that regard, althogh the possibility exists that someone near is unwilling, most Vulcans will see the sex during another Vulcan's Pont Farr to be a duty (we see this in the movie Star Trek 3). As if a women can be the challenger for herself, yes we see that in an episode of Voyager. Voyager.
** Except this is Star Trek where aliens are basically just humans with certain personality traits exaggerated. Besides, that's not how sexual orientations work - a Vulcan might sleep with someone of the wrong gender out of duty but they'd still have an incompatible orientation.
* Another curious aspect of that episode: T'Pring didn't seem to be experiencing any kind of mating fever - was her pon farr cycle out of sync with Spock's? This whole arranged marriage custom is looking less logical by the minute.
11th Jun '17 10:47:06 AM NewVirginiaCreeper
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9th Jun '17 8:37:10 PM Luppercus
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** Not all cultures have women taking the husband's name. In Latin America and Spain women kept their maiden names, that's why people in Spanish speaking countries have two last names. Same in Portuguese. In other countries like IRRC Japan the oldest family name is the one that prevails disregarding gender. So, in a similar way maybe some Anglo-Saxons in the future are keeping the tradition out of cultural connection.

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** Not all cultures have women taking the husband's name. In Latin America and Spain women kept their maiden names, that's why people in Spanish speaking countries have two last names. Same in Portuguese. In other countries like IRRC IIRC Japan the oldest family name is the one that prevails disregarding gender. So, in a similar way maybe some Anglo-Saxons in the future are keeping the tradition out of cultural connection.
9th Jun '17 8:35:50 PM Luppercus
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** Not all cultures have women taking the husband's name. In Latin America and Spain women kept their maiden names, that's why people in Spanish speaking countries have two last names. Same in Portuguese. In other countries like IRRC Japan the oldest family name is the one that prevails disregarding gender. So, in a similar way maybe some Anglo-Saxons in the future are keeping the tradition out of cultural connection.
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