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** He definitely has no qualms killing. Unless you think he didn't expect [[spoiler: to kill Peter by dropping a building on top of him.]]
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** "Scare him" is probably exactly what he intended. Up until that point, Toomes hasn't been shown trying to kill anyone outright -- it would make plenty of sense for him to threaten him.
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** My guess is Disney added that part in to make Toomes more sympathetic/anti-villain. They didn't want him to be a ruthless killer.
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** My guess is Disney added that part in to make Toomes more sympathetic/anti-villain. They probably didn't want him Toomes to be a ruthless killer. Makes me think Vulture killed him on purpose, and they later decided to add that line in there to make him less evil.
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* That line, as well as Vulture's initial surprise at killing Brice just didn't make any sense to me, considering they were talking beforehand about Brice knowing too much and Toombs being unable to afford having him tell anybody about their criminal enterprise. It would've made sense for Toombs to kill him outright. What exactly was he gonna do, just fly him up in the air to scare him a little?
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* That line, as well as Vulture's initial surprise at killing Brice just didn't make any sense to me, considering they were talking beforehand about Brice knowing too much and Toombs Toomes being unable to afford having him tell anybody about their criminal enterprise. It would've made sense for Toombs Toomes to kill him outright. What exactly was he gonna do, just fly him up in the air to scare him a little?little?
** My guess is Disney added that part in to make Toomes more sympathetic/anti-villain. They didn't want him to be a ruthless killer.
** My guess is Disney added that part in to make Toomes more sympathetic/anti-villain. They didn't want him to be a ruthless killer.
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* That line, as well as Vulture's initial surprise at killing Brice just didn't make any sense to me, considering they were talking beforehand about Brice knowing too much and Toombs being unable to afford having him tell anybody about their criminal enterprise. It would've made sense for Toombs to kill him outright. What exactly was he gonna do, just fly him up in the air to scare him a little?
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** I agree, it's a twofer. Tony felt Peter was punching above his weight, possible due to his experiences in Germany. Tony was pointing out that one) Captain America could have taken him out hard if he wanted to, because he is the ultimate soldier and two) just because he faced Captain America, it was in a non-lethal situation unlike now where not only could Peter get hurt, he could get killed.
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** I agree, it's a twofer. Tony felt Peter was punching above his weight, possible due to his experiences in Germany. Germany gave Peter a false sense of confidence. Tony was pointing out that one) Captain America could have taken him out hard if he wanted to, because he is the ultimate soldier and two) just because he faced Captain America, it America doesn't mean he was ready for taking on Vulture and his crew. It was in a non-lethal situation unlike now where not only could Peter get seriously hurt, he could get killed.
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** I agree, it's a twofer. Tony felt Peter was punching above his weight, possible due to his experiences in Germany. Tony was pointing out that one) Captain America could have taken him out hard if he wanted to, because he is the ultimate soldier and two) just because he faced Captain America, it was in a non-lethal situation unlike now where not only could Peter get hurt, he could get killed.
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** Wearing masks to rob a bank is practical, and we do see criminals doing that. But wearing masks to a black-market exchange of contraband isn't: your buyer needs to see you are who you claim to be. If Brice had gone masked to meet with a customer, it would leave the buyer suspicious that A) the "buy" is a sting operation by law enforcement, B) the equipment might be faulty and Brice doesn't want to be found when the buyer wants his money back, or C) the seller might have stolen the gear ''from'' Brice, who will show up and demand its return. Moreover, if both buyer and seller see each others' faces, then they're acknowledging that they're ''both'' equally complicit in the crime, and will do their fair share to conceal it from the police and other mutual enemies.
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** Or maybe Flash's family is in the business of manufacturing flash drives, and both the license plate and Flash's nickname are references to that. Certainly this version of Flash doesn't seem to be a jock, so the name isn't a sports reference in this continuity.
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*** What for? Sure, he ''said'' he'd do that, but that was when he was threatening Peter to make him leave Toomes's criminal operations alone. He has no actual animus against May, and is sensible enough to know that simply getting rid of Peter's body and letting everyone think he's just another missing teen is a ''much'' better plan than seeking further revenge against a hero he's already killed. At most, he might send one of his thugs to burglarize Peter's room and steal some web-shooter tech.
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** Whether or not Cap was "holding back" relative to Cap's potential maximum-force abilities isn't central to Tony's argument, in any case. Stark wasn't saying that ''Captain America'' could've easily killed Peter, he's saying that an ''actual villain'' really '''would''' have killed Peter if that's who Peter'd been fighting instead. He's trying to scare the crap out of the kid so he won't get himself slaughtered, and if he expresses that with a bit of hyperbole, remember that this is Tony Snark we're talking about.
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** Peter did see the thief cutting the chain off the bike. He probably left it at the same storefront at which it'd been left chained by the owner. He couldn't re-chain it because he didn't have a chain with him, and didn't want the ''actual'' owner to be unable to unchain it.
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** For all we know, ''their'' kids might attend Midtown School also.
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** Not to mention that Peter has no actual ''proof'' that Toomes is guilty of anything, aside from maybe a city gun law violation or two for having a weapon in the car. There's the footage Karen took of Toomes being present at one of the black-market tech shipments, but Spidey would have to testify to the circumstances under which that footage was captured if it's to be presented as legal evidence against the man. Which would blow Peter's SecretIdentity with ''everyone'', compounding the problem of Toomes himself already knowing who Spider-Man is.
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** Or Ned taped some barfing sounds off the internet, set up a playback from the bathroom of his and Peter's hotel room, and said Peter was ill from an anxiety attack and couldn't compete. Everybody who knows Peter knows he's been stressed out for months, so it's a plausible excuse, and unless the teacher ''really'' wants to watch a kid puking his guts out, they'll take Ned's word for it and not open the bathroom door.
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** Or Ned taped some barfing sounds off the internet, set up a playback from the bathroom of his and Peter's hotel room, and said Peter was ill from an anxiety attack and couldn't compete. Everybody who knows Peter knows he's been stressed out for months, so it's a plausible excuse, and unless the teacher ''really'' wants to watch a kid puking his guts out, they'll take Ned's word for it and not open the bathroom door. The detention wouldn't be for not going to the event, it'd be for Peter ''leaving'' the hotel room once he was "feeling better" and wandering off on his own in a strange city.
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** Or Ned taped some barfing sounds off the internet, set up a playback from the bathroom of his and Peter's hotel room, and said Peter was ill from an anxiety attack and couldn't compete. Everybody who knows Peter knows he's been stressed out for months, so it's a plausible excuse, and unless the teacher ''really'' wants to watch a kid puking his guts out, they'll take Ned's word for it and not open the bathroom door.
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** It's likely that the Accords make provisions for supervising minors with superpowers, considering that the Twins prove you can be pretty young and still acquire such abilities. The Avengers might be able to sidestep some of those child labor laws under the grounds that they're "supervising" Peter's development and control of his powers. Beyond that, any prior age restrictions on employment specifically with the Avengers may have been eliminated when Vision joined the team: he was only ''one day'' old when they battled Ultron, after all.
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** For all we know, Tony'd been working on a suit like that for ''himself'' as a specialized "stealth infiltration" variant, that could slip into places where his usual repulsors and armor would be too easily detected. He just themed it for Spider-Man when recruiting Peter became an option and had it reduced from Men's Tall to Junior size.
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*** Spiders aren't especially durable, see the SquareCubeLaw for a full explanation.
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** He ''could'', but Aunt May has been raising him and will clearly have a finely-tuned bullshit detector. Besides, he looks guilty as hell when she catches him, and she knows he's been sneaking out, so she might not buy "I've somehow gotten a really sweet replica costume."
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Lets not forget that Spidey picks up 2 months after CW, which according to IW happened 2 years ago
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* The writers must have recognised this error -- ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'' seems to have retconned this timejump to ''five'' ''four'' years instead of eight, as Tony states in ''IW'' that it's been six years since New York happened -- meaning that ''The Avengers'' would still take place in 2012, ''IW'' would take place in 2018 and ''Homecoming'' in 2016.
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Lets not forget that Spidey picks up 2 months after CW, which according to IW happened 2 years ago
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** Take it from a parent: It's not as hard to get through the doors of a busy school as you would want it to be. Generally it's a matter of pushing a doorbell and the overworked secretary will buzz you through remotely if you look halfway respectable. After that, having a plausible manner and looking like you know where you're going will get you almost anywhere. Sad but true.
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** Take it from a parent: It's not as hard to get through the doors of a busy school as you would want it to be. [[BavarianFireDrill Generally it's a matter of pushing a doorbell and the overworked secretary will buzz you through remotely if you look halfway respectable. After that, having a plausible manner and looking like you know where you're going will get you almost anywhere. Sad but true.]]
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** Even if they knew who Spider-Man was, [[ComicBook/RealityEnsues anyone can wear a costume and wear suction-cup gloves]]. "Identify Yourself" is probably shorthand for "prove that you're the guy who worked with the Avengers in Germany and explain what you're doing here." Plus, all the NYC news would tell them is that Spider-Man's a menace.
** On top of that, Spider-Man hasn't been wearing his current Stark-designed suit in public enough for him to be easily recognized as the same kid in a red hoddie that was swinging around New York in some viral YouTube videos. The cops just saw a guy in a weird red and blue skintight suit scaling the Washington Monument and reacted accordingly.
** On top of that, Spider-Man hasn't been wearing his current Stark-designed suit in public enough for him to be easily recognized as the same kid in a red hoddie that was swinging around New York in some viral YouTube videos. The cops just saw a guy in a weird red and blue skintight suit scaling the Washington Monument and reacted accordingly.
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** Even if they knew who Spider-Man was, [[ComicBook/RealityEnsues anyone can wear a costume and wear suction-cup gloves]]. "Identify Yourself" is probably shorthand for "prove that you're the guy who worked with the Avengers in Germany and explain what you're doing here." Plus, all considering how the NYC news vilified other vigilantes like Daredevil, Frank Castle, and Luke Cage at various points, anyone watching that media would tell them is be led to believe that Spider-Man's a menace.
** On top of that, Spider-Man hasn't been wearing his current Stark-designed suit in public enough for him to be easily recognized as the same kid in a redhoddie hoodie that was swinging around New York in some viral YouTube videos. The cops just saw a guy in a weird red and blue skintight suit scaling the Washington Monument and reacted accordingly. They may have thought it was Alain Robert up to his usual tricks.
** On top of that, Spider-Man hasn't been wearing his current Stark-designed suit in public enough for him to be easily recognized as the same kid in a red
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** He's playing on Toomes' fears. He knows that what Toomes was scared of the most was his wife and daughter finding out what sort of business he's in and getting hurt by it.
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** And as for Aunt May? Remember, his threat wasn't just about killing Peter, he said "I'll kill you, ''and'' everyone you love." So he'd definitely go and kill Aunt May as well.
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** The simple answer is that we can't know what the issues actually were in their relationship because whatever led to the "break", and then however they patched their relationship up, both happened off-screen. I had actually assumed that the two had worked things out and become a couple again several months before this movie happened, if not shortly after the events of Civil War.
