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18th Nov '17 4:28:03 AM SIlverflight05
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*** Well, Iblis was within Elise when she died, and havoc did not ensue. The above statement does make sense, that it should release Iblis in death, but the game messes up logic anyway, so in some way, both transferring it to someone who would die and that transferring would release Iblis would make sense. They just chose the latter, most likely, for plot.
17th Oct '17 3:35:22 PM MrDuckington
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* How The Hell does Silver still exist if the events that lead to his future, Where He Was BORN No Less, Were Erased From The Timeline?
19th Sep '17 8:41:35 PM Luigifan
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* A lot of the game's plot falls apart if you think about it. Fridge-inducing moments include: why Mephiles had to [[spoiler:merge with the Iblis of the present, rather than the Iblis in the future]] despite having the power to travel through time; how Elise knew Silver [[spoiler:when she was unconscious during the entirety of his visit to the past]]; the infamous [[spoiler:blue Chaos Emerald time loop]]; for that matter, where ''any'' of the seven Chaos Emeralds are during the plot at large, [[spoiler:Elise not crying for ten years of her life, including ''after she finds out her father is dead'']], and why so many levels end with nothing accomplished. [[spoiler:All this is probably a good reason for the ResetButtonEnding]].
** Well, it's been [[FanWank theorized]] that Mephiles could only [[spoiler:merge with Iblis while he was in his pure flame form, and not when he was in his normal monster form due to being released by Elise's death.]] As for the Chaos Emerald thing, supposedly the game was supposed to be a ContinuityReboot. It would keep all main characters, but for all intents and purposes, the previous games never happened. So in the story at least, the Chaos Emerald was never used to fight Perfect Chaos, the Biolizard, and so on. As for Elise not crying, let's just say she's a Literature/{{Twilight}} FanGirl, so the death of her father doesn't bother her, but the love of her life - who she just met earlier that day, and is of a different species - dying... That cuts her deep. As for why nothing was accomplished... Well, let's just say that some of the characters have no idea what they're doing half of the time *cough* Sonic, Silver *cough*. Also, it was probably part of Mephiles' plot to keep everyone distracted long enough for him to accomplish his plans... What? His plans might be overly complex, but he's not [[NotSoHarmlessVillain incompetent]].

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* A lot of the game's plot falls apart if you think about it. Fridge-inducing moments include: why Mephiles had to [[spoiler:merge with the Iblis of the present, rather than the Iblis in the future]] despite having the power to travel through time; how Elise knew Silver [[spoiler:when she was unconscious during the entirety of his visit to the past]]; the infamous [[spoiler:blue Chaos Emerald time loop]]; for that matter, where ''any'' of the seven Chaos Emeralds are during the plot at large, [[spoiler:Elise not crying for ten years of her life, including ''after she finds out her father is dead'']], and why so many levels end with nothing accomplished. [[spoiler:All this is probably a good reason for the ResetButtonEnding]].
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** Well, it's been [[FanWank theorized]] that Mephiles could only [[spoiler:merge with Iblis while he was in his pure flame form, and not when he was in his normal monster form due to being released by Elise's death.]] death]]. As for the Chaos Emerald thing, supposedly the game was supposed to be a ContinuityReboot. It would keep all main characters, but for all intents and purposes, the previous games never happened. So in the story at least, the Chaos Emerald was never used to fight Perfect Chaos, the Biolizard, and so on. As for Elise not crying, let's just say she's a Literature/{{Twilight}} FanGirl, so the death of her father doesn't bother her, but the love of her life - -- who she just met earlier that day, and is of a different species - -- dying... That cuts her deep. As for why nothing was accomplished... Well, let's just say that some of the characters have no idea what they're doing half of the time *cough* Sonic, Silver *cough*. Also, it was probably part of Mephiles' plot to keep everyone distracted long enough for him to accomplish his plans... What? His plans might be overly complex, but he's not [[NotSoHarmlessVillain incompetent]].



** There is one possible explanation for Mephiles's forgoing merging with Iblis in the future. As shown in Silver's story, Elise's death causes the release of Iblis. However, Mephiles doesn't join with Iblis for 200 years, despite the latter's release. One explanation for this is that Elise needs to cry not only to release Iblis but ''also'' to allow Mephiles to merge with Iblis. After all, the plot does state that Elise must cry in order for Solaris to be a thing again, although it admittedly doesn't emphasize this enough. Since Elise never cried up until the point where she died on board Eggman's ship, the seal was never broken, so Mephiles was stuck with an Iblis that he couldn't transform with. Still, I have to wonder exactly ''why'' Mephiles didn't just go back in time and kill Elise as soon as she bonded with Sonic. He clearly didn't need Silver to do it, and he knew exactly what to do from the beginning.

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** There is one possible explanation for Mephiles's forgoing merging with Iblis in the future. As shown in Silver's story, Elise's death causes the release of Iblis. However, Mephiles doesn't join with Iblis for 200 years, despite the latter's release. One explanation for this is that Elise needs to cry not only to release Iblis Iblis, but ''also'' to allow Mephiles to merge with Iblis. After all, the plot does state that Elise must cry in order for Solaris to be a thing again, although it admittedly doesn't emphasize this enough. Since Elise never cried up until the point where she died on board Eggman's ship, the seal was never broken, so Mephiles was stuck with an Iblis that he couldn't transform with. Still, I have to wonder exactly ''why'' Mephiles didn't just go back in time and kill Elise Sonic as soon as she he bonded with Sonic.Elise. He clearly didn't need Silver to do it, and he knew exactly what to do from the beginning.



** Up until the BigBad Big merge, the game was in a stable time loop. If they did manage to stop Iblis along side Sonic and Shadow, it probably would have come back again some other time. There was at least a 200 year gap for something like that to happen.
** The future wouldn't stay ruined. There was clearly enough water and food to keep the few survivors going. When Iblis went away, the world would've slowly healed due to no Iblis continually devestating the world.

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** Up until the BigBad Big merge, the game was in a stable time loop. StableTimeLoop. If they did manage to stop Iblis along side alongside Sonic and Shadow, it probably would have come back again some other time. There was at least a 200 year 200-year gap for something like that to happen.
** The future wouldn't stay ruined. There was clearly enough water and food to keep the few survivors going. When Iblis went away, the world would've slowly healed due to no Iblis continually devestating devastating the world.



*** Context is important here. She was saying that to someone who was trying to ''kill'' Sonic, whereas here Sonic is dead and this is pretty much the only way to save him. Plus with Silver, he claimed that Sonic would cause an disaster in the future, which simply a hypothetical scenario to Amy at this point, whereas at the end she can plainly see that everything's going to hell.

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*** Context is important here. She was saying that to someone who was trying to ''kill'' Sonic, whereas here Sonic is dead and this is pretty much the only way to save him. Plus with Silver, he claimed that Sonic would cause an a disaster in the future, which is simply a hypothetical scenario to Amy at this point, whereas at the end she can plainly see that everything's going to hell.



* Alright, in Sonic 06, this bugs the hell out of me: What exactly did Eggman plan to do with Mephiles once he contained him? Because he spends the start of Shadow's story trying to get the Scepter of Darkness, and later tells Shadow to retrieve Mephiles if he wants answers, then all evidence of that is dropped part way through. If the Scepter was the only thing tough enough to contain Mephiles, and it's made of MAGIC... then how the hell does Eggman think he can make something that can hold an ultra powerful science botch up that's nothing short of sinister, given Eggman's record of his creations being failures. Not to mention that anything that Eggman tries to tame USUALLY turns against him anyway and clocks him in the head. Considering that Mephiles' one true desire is to fuse back with Iblis so the two of them can eat up time and all that... that leaves to question how Eggman would have thought this was a good idea. And better yet... WHAT was he planning to do with Mephiles anyway? My only logical guess is that he intended to use him like a battery to sap his time travel powers so that his time machine could work even better. Which would end badly the moment that plan is set into motion anyway...
** Eggman probably planned on using Mephiles to control time (same reason he wanted Iblis). I mean, he wanted to rule over ''all'' time. Not just have the ability to time travel, but constantly rule over the past, present, and future. And why does Eggman think he can control Mephiles? Simple, his [[SmallNameBigEgo ego]]. He thinks of himself as the greatest genius in the world, so what's to make him think he couldn't control Mephiles? And while it is true that dealing with SealedEvilInACan has been problematic in the past ([[SonicAdventureSeries Chaos]] for example), he may actually ''know'' [[TaughtByExperience what he's doing this time]].
*** This is further supported by the fact that the machine he had already managed to reverse-engineer from the Solaris project, he had no control over whatsoever... Coupled with Mephiles and Iblis pretty much being the original components for the project from which the machine spawned from in the first place. It also helps that he had no idea whatsover what the future was actually like, coupled with the fact that nobody he encountered who had been to the future actually specifically knew the connection between the Solaris project and the devestation they saw or didn't know the connection until ''after'' their encounter with him (with the exception of Silver, but he and Eggman had neither the chance to speak or any reason to assume their respective involvements were important, just about everyone present in that scene had different things on their mind). Not that knowing the association between Mephiles/Iblis and the apocalypse would necessarily stop him from trying to meddle with forces that man should not meddle with, this is Eggman we are talking here...

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* Alright, in Sonic 06, ''Sonic 06'', this bugs the hell out of me: What exactly did Eggman plan to do with Mephiles once he contained him? Because he spends the start of Shadow's story trying to get the Scepter of Darkness, and later tells Shadow to retrieve Mephiles if he wants answers, then all evidence of that is dropped part way partway through. If the Scepter was the only thing tough enough to contain Mephiles, and it's made of MAGIC... then how the hell does Eggman think he can make something that can hold an ultra powerful ultra-powerful science botch up botch-up that's nothing short of sinister, given Eggman's record of his creations being failures. failures? Not to mention that anything that Eggman tries to tame USUALLY turns against him anyway and clocks him in the head. Considering that Mephiles' one true desire is to fuse back with Iblis so the two of them can eat up time and all that... that leaves to question how Eggman would have thought this was a good idea. And better yet... WHAT was he planning to do with Mephiles anyway? My only logical guess is that he intended to use him like a battery to sap his time travel powers so that his time machine could work even better. Which would end badly the moment that plan is set into motion anyway...
** Eggman probably planned on using Mephiles to control time (same reason he wanted Iblis). I mean, he wanted to rule over ''all'' time. Not just have the ability to time travel, but constantly rule over the past, present, and future. And why does Eggman think he can control Mephiles? Simple, his [[SmallNameBigEgo ego]]. He thinks of himself as the greatest genius in the world, so what's to make him think he couldn't control Mephiles? And while it is true that dealing with SealedEvilInACan has been problematic in the past ([[SonicAdventureSeries Chaos]] Chaos]], for example), he may actually ''know'' [[TaughtByExperience what he's doing this time]].
*** This is further supported by the fact that the machine he had already managed to reverse-engineer from the Solaris project, he had no control over whatsoever... Coupled with Mephiles and Iblis pretty much being the original components for the project from which the machine spawned from in the first place. It also helps that he had no idea whatsover what the future was actually like, coupled with the fact that nobody he encountered who had been to the future actually specifically knew the connection between the Solaris project and the devestation devastation they saw or didn't know the connection until ''after'' their encounter with him (with the exception of Silver, but he and Eggman had neither the chance to speak or any reason to assume their respective involvements were important, just about everyone present in that scene had different things on their mind). Not that knowing the association between Mephiles/Iblis and the apocalypse would necessarily stop him from trying to meddle with forces that man should not meddle with, with -- this is ''is'' Eggman we are talking about here...



*** For all we know, Eggman was not necessarily aware of every detail of Solaris Project. He could have expected at least one of the two half-deities to be in more usable state.

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*** For all we know, Eggman was not necessarily aware of every detail of the Solaris Project. He could have expected at least one of the two half-deities to be in a more usable state.



*** Actually, that's not entirely true - just because you have something inside of you doesn't automatically mean you can be affected by it. There are numerous cases of asymptomatic carriers of various diseases who never showed symptoms of the diseases they carried (and I'd also like to point out that Iblis never showed any signs of attempting to possess Elise - if fusing Mephiles would've let Mephiles fuse with Iblis with no problems, then by the same logic, Iblis should've been able to easily possess Elise). If I had to guess why, however, it's likely because Mephiles could travel through time - he could just go back to before Iblis was sealed inside him, and stop the sealing process, and merge with the Iblis that wasn't sealed within him.
* And finally... for a time master, you'd think that Mephiles would know that if he were to destroy Shadow, especially before Shadow goes back in time, that he would erase himself as well. Why? Because Shadow inadvertently created Mephiles as we know him now. The simple fact that Mephiles only hates Shadow for trapping him in the Scepter and leading history to have no trace of him anywhere, only to show up again, and everyone scratches their heads at his identity, which drives Mephiles into a rage, in which he attacks Shadow of his time and sets forth the events that lead to that Shadow doing the very same to this Mephiles to the next timestream's Mephiles. Not only that, but Shadow's calling of his name mere minutes after the newly created Mephiles is trying to flee the hell out of this horrible horrible lab with dead bodies and a pissed off hedgehog, is probably the reason Mephiles took that name anyway... so, Mephiles trying to kill Shadow would be a bad thing for him, because he'd kill off all Mephili that are like him... think about it... if none of that happens, then Mephiles could have very well been a mass of darkness living in solitude in the empty halls of the abandoned lab, where probably no one would venture, and he would have probably never interacted with anything... so, this is all Shadow's fault, and Mephiles is showing to be self destructive trying to get rid of him...
** Who's to say Mephiles actually knew that Shadow was in the present, the future, then the past in that order? Sure, he may have control over all time, but we don't know if he payed that much attention to Shadow's entire journey. And if he ''did'' then why ''NOT'' attack Shadow when he refused to join him? He may very well know he's not going to die yet, because he hasn't gone into the past and sealed him yet. That way he could beat him all he wanted with no consequence. But let's say he ''did'' kill Shadow, who's to say a paradox would even occur? Mephiles might have so much control over time, that he can [[WildMassGuessing prevent paradoxes from even forming]]. And well, even if Shadow never did seal up Mephiles in the past, it's pretty much a garnet that Mephiles would've still been searching for Iblis. His whole goal was to find him and join together so they could destroy time as Solaris. Even if Shadow never sealed him, and he never took Shadow's form, he probably just would have stolen someone else's shadow, and then gone on his Iblis hunt. If anything, Shadow prevented Mephiles' goals (if only for a short time).
** Does Mephiles even know that the Shadow he met before is the Shadow of the future? He seemed surprised that Shadow forgot him so for all he knew Shadow just happened to be there in the past and no time travel was involved.
* In Sonic 2006, Mephiles attempts to get Shadow to join him by saying that humans hunted him down at some point between Silver's time and the present. But then he also basically says flat out that ''he'' is the reason that Shadow wound up persecuted. Why is he surprised when Shadow refuses his offer?
** Because the circumstances that caused the situation doesn't ''matter'' - the fact is that if the government got spooked enough, they would turn on Shadow and persecute him as a scapegoat even though he helped saved the damn world. That's a pretty good point to bring up if you want to make a character question their motivations/the side they're on. And remember, Shadow didn't refuse because Mephiles was the cause, he refused because he didn't care if the world turned on him one day.

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*** Actually, that's not entirely true - -- just because you have something inside of you doesn't automatically mean you can be affected by it. There are numerous cases of asymptomatic carriers of various diseases who never showed symptoms of the diseases they carried (and I'd also like to point out that Iblis never showed any signs of attempting to possess Elise - -- if fusing Mephiles would've let Mephiles fuse with Iblis with no problems, then by the same logic, Iblis should've been able to easily possess Elise). If I had to guess why, however, it's likely because Mephiles could travel through time - -- he could just go back to before Iblis was sealed inside him, and stop the sealing process, and merge with the Iblis that wasn't sealed within him.
* And finally... for a time master, you'd think that Mephiles would know that if he were to destroy Shadow, especially before Shadow goes back in time, that he would erase himself as well. Why? Because Shadow inadvertently created Mephiles as we know him now. The simple fact that Mephiles only hates Shadow for trapping him in the Scepter and leading history to have no trace of him anywhere, only to show up again, and everyone scratches their heads at his identity, which drives Mephiles into a rage, in which he attacks Shadow of his time and sets forth the events that lead to that Shadow doing the very same to this Mephiles to the next timestream's Mephiles. Not only that, but Shadow's calling of his name mere minutes after the newly created Mephiles is trying to flee the hell out of this horrible horrible lab with dead bodies and a pissed off pissed-off hedgehog, is probably the reason Mephiles took that name anyway... so, Mephiles trying to kill Shadow would be a bad thing for him, because he'd kill off all Mephili that are like him... think about it... if none of that happens, then Mephiles could have very well been a mass of darkness living in solitude in the empty halls of the abandoned lab, where probably no one would venture, and he would have probably never interacted with anything... so, this is all Shadow's fault, and Mephiles is showing to be self destructive self-destructive trying to get rid of him...
** Who's to say Mephiles actually knew that Shadow was in the present, the future, then the past in that order? Sure, he may have control over all time, but we don't know if he payed paid that much attention to Shadow's entire journey. And if he ''did'' ''did'', then why ''NOT'' attack Shadow when he refused to join him? He may very well know he's not going to die yet, because he hasn't gone into the past and sealed him yet. That way he could beat him all he wanted with no consequence. But let's say he ''did'' kill Shadow, who's to say a paradox would even occur? Mephiles might have so much control over time, time that he can [[WildMassGuessing prevent paradoxes from even forming]]. And well, even if Shadow never did seal up Mephiles in the past, it's pretty much a garnet that Mephiles would've still been searching for Iblis. His whole goal was to find him and join together so they could destroy time as Solaris. Even if Shadow never sealed him, and he never took Shadow's form, he probably just would have stolen someone else's shadow, and then gone on his Iblis hunt. If anything, Shadow prevented Mephiles' goals (if only for a short time).
** Does Mephiles even know that the Shadow he met before is the Shadow of the future? He seemed surprised that Shadow forgot him him, so for all he knew knew, Shadow just happened to be there in the past and no time travel was involved.
* In Sonic 2006, ''Sonic 2006'', Mephiles attempts to get Shadow to join him by saying that humans hunted him down at some point between Silver's time and the present. But then he also basically says flat out flat-out that ''he'' is the reason that Shadow wound up persecuted. Why is he surprised when Shadow refuses his offer?
** Because the circumstances that caused the situation doesn't ''matter'' - -- the fact is that if the government got spooked enough, they would turn on Shadow and persecute him as a scapegoat even though he helped saved save the damn world. That's a pretty good point to bring up if you want to make a character question their motivations/the side they're on. And remember, Shadow didn't refuse because Mephiles was the cause, he refused because he didn't care if the world turned on him one day.



* In Sonic 2006, why does Mephiles want Shadow to join him? There doesn’t seem to be a practical reason for having someone capable of defeating him hanging around - apart from the ‘keep your enemies closer’ idea, but I doubt Mephiles thought Shadow wouldn’t see through something like that. The only other reason I can think of is that, knowing Shadow’s very powerful, Mephiles wanted to use him as a backup plan to kill Sonic in case Silver failed, but again there are problems: by this point Shadow considers Sonic to be an ally, and also Shadow isn’t as easy to manipulate as he used to be in Sonic Adventure 2 and his own game. It also spawns this question: how much does Mephiles know about Shadow’s life? He’s talked about Shadow’s future but does he know anything about the ARK incident or Black Arms?
** And why does Mephiles tell Shadow that he will be hunted down and imprisoned in the future? If he didn’t reveal this to Shadow, then he wouldn’t be able to do anything about it, the events would inevitably happen and Mephiles wouldn’t have to worry about Shadow messing up his plans. [[MindScrew Unless he made up the whole story to mess with Shadow’s head…?]]
*** If nothing else, he gets more manpower for hunting Chaos Emeralds, keeps one of the few who actually knows about his plans quiet, and gets a front row seat to the inevitable confusion between the heroes over [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor Shadow yet again being an antagonist]]. He doesn't really treat Shadow's alliance as anything more than a nice bonus, after all, and was probably just taken off guard by his offer being rejected so quickly.
* What just bugs me about Sonic 2006 is that the fans say there were three godlike entities in the game, Mephiles, Iblis, and Solaris, and that the former two controlled Solaris, and that two new entities were created at the Solaris Project. Except, that's not the case- Mephiles was Solaris's mind, so he IS Solaris. Once he fuses with Iblis, it's still Mephiles, just in a new body - Iblis, who was Solaris's body.

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* In Sonic 2006, ''Sonic 2006'', why does Mephiles want Shadow to join him? There doesn’t seem to be a practical reason for having someone capable of defeating him hanging around - apart from the ‘keep your enemies closer’ idea, but I doubt Mephiles thought Shadow wouldn’t see through something like that. The only other reason I can think of is that, knowing Shadow’s very powerful, Mephiles wanted to use him as a backup plan to kill Sonic in case Silver failed, but again there are problems: by this point Shadow considers Sonic to be an ally, and also Shadow isn’t as easy to manipulate as he used to be in Sonic ''Sonic Adventure 2 2'' and his own game. It also spawns this question: how much does Mephiles know about Shadow’s life? He’s talked about Shadow’s future future, but does he know anything about the ARK incident or Black Arms?
** And why does Mephiles tell Shadow that he will be hunted down and imprisoned in the future? If he didn’t reveal this to Shadow, then he wouldn’t be able to do anything about it, the events would inevitably happen happen, and Mephiles wouldn’t have to worry about Shadow messing up his plans. [[MindScrew Unless he made up the whole story to mess with Shadow’s head…?]]
*** If nothing else, he gets more manpower for hunting Chaos Emeralds, keeps one of the few who actually knows about his plans quiet, and gets a front row front-row seat to the inevitable confusion between the heroes over [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor Shadow yet again being an antagonist]]. He doesn't really treat Shadow's alliance as anything more than a nice bonus, after all, and was probably just taken off guard off-guard by his offer being rejected so quickly.
* What just bugs me about Sonic 2006 ''Sonic 2006'' is that the fans say there were three godlike entities in the game, Mephiles, Iblis, and Solaris, and that the former two controlled Solaris, and that two new entities were created at the Solaris Project. Except, that's not the case- case -- Mephiles was Solaris's mind, so he IS Solaris. Once he fuses with Iblis, it's still Mephiles, just in a new body - -- Iblis, who was Solaris's body.



* Just what the [[GoshDangitToHeck fudge]] happened to the Master Emerald during all of this? I mean, yeah, gathering the seven chaos emeralds make sense, but you know... The Master Emerald can make you super as well. They'd have twice as much energy, and it would actually make sense when all three of them go super.
** Considering how time and space is basically broken, I doubt they chose where they went. Probably just went where ever they could and started searching, and they didn't end up on Angel Island.
*** The writers probably got tired of the whole "Knuckles is the Master Emerald's guardian", maybe one day we'll get an official explanation as to why he isn't still on Angel Island sitting near it for the rest of eternity.

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* Just what the [[GoshDangitToHeck fudge]] happened to the Master Emerald during all of this? I mean, yeah, gathering the seven chaos emeralds make makes sense, but you know... The Master Emerald can make you super as well. They'd have twice as much energy, and it would actually make sense when all three of them go super.
** Considering how time and space is basically broken, I doubt they chose where they went. Probably just went where ever whereever they could and started searching, and they didn't end up on Angel Island.
*** The writers probably got tired of the whole "Knuckles is the Master Emerald's guardian", guardian"; maybe one day we'll get an official explanation as to why he isn't still on Angel Island sitting near it for the rest of eternity.



* How the hell does Silver's era exist? During "the present," Mephiles kills sonic, Elise cries and releases Iblis, and Mephiles merges with him and becomes Solaris to destroy time. In order for Silver's scenario to exist, Iblis would have had to have been released and then NOT immediately merged with Mephiles - which doesn't make a damn bit of sense, since Mephiles was the one who released him in the first place.

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* How the hell does Silver's era exist? During "the present," Mephiles kills sonic, Sonic, Elise cries and releases Iblis, and Mephiles merges with him and becomes Solaris to destroy time. In order for Silver's scenario to exist, Iblis would have had to have been released and then NOT immediately merged with Mephiles - -- which doesn't make a damn bit of sense, since Mephiles was the one who released him in the first place.



* Considering that it's specifically said that Solaris exists throughout time, wouldn't it take an infinite number of people to successfully stop him? I mean having only 3 people fight Solaris would be in vain as the "past" means between the creation of the universe and present time, and the future always having infinite possibilities.

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* Considering that it's specifically said that Solaris exists throughout time, wouldn't it take an infinite number of people to successfully stop him? I mean mean, having only 3 people fight Solaris would be in vain as the "past" means between the creation of the universe and present time, and the future always having infinite possibilities.



* Where the heck do Silver and Blaze ''live'' while they're in the past? Think about it; since they're from the future, they don't have a thing to they're names and they don't exist according to any records because they haven't even been born yet, they don't know anyone who could legitimately give them a place to stay, and they might not even have any experience living in a domestic setting since the future is... desolate.

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* Where the heck do Silver and Blaze ''live'' while they're in the past? Think about it; since they're from the future, they don't have a thing to they're their names and they don't exist according to any records because they haven't even been born yet, they don't know anyone who could legitimately give them a place to stay, and they might not even have any experience living in a domestic setting since the future is... desolate.



*** Since it took place over such a short time and they had such an important mission it's possible they didn't really stop at all, and therefore didn't need a place. Certain cutscenes even take place at night.

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*** Since it took place over such a short time and they had such an important mission mission, it's possible they didn't really stop at all, and therefore didn't need a place. Certain cutscenes even take place at night.



** Which is OutOfCharacter for Sonic considering he and Blaze in ''[[VideoGame/SonicRushSeries Sonic Rush]]'' had a [[HeldGaze long stare at each other]] and are trying to hold on to each other as long as possible before they get separated — Sonic's holding on with both hands. It's as if they're both reluctant to part ways. He has a lot of things on his mind but he could have at least acknowledged Blaze's presence stating that it's "good to see her again."
* How does Elise even know that she's [[SealedInAPersonShapedCan housing]] Iblis? She was clearly unconscious when her father performed the sealing and explained to Shadow and Silver that she can never cry again. She was still unconscious by the time the hedgehogs left, which also begs the question of how she knew what Silver looked like in the opening cutscene. Most confusingly, how could ''7-year-old'' Elise not cry for '''''10 YEARS!?''''' She should have cried at least upon waking up to find her father dead, among other things, but [[spoiler:it's not until a hedgehog that she's only known for a few days gets killed does she ''finally'' shed a tear for the first time in 10 years?]] That's really stretching my WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief, Sonic Team.

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** Which is OutOfCharacter for Sonic Sonic, considering he and Blaze in ''[[VideoGame/SonicRushSeries Sonic Rush]]'' had a [[HeldGaze long stare at each other]] and are trying to hold on to each other as long as possible before they get separated — Sonic's holding on with both hands. It's as if they're both reluctant to part ways. He has a lot of things on his mind mind, but he could have at least acknowledged Blaze's presence stating that it's "good to see her again."
* How does Elise even know that she's [[SealedInAPersonShapedCan housing]] Iblis? She was clearly unconscious when her father performed the sealing and explained to Shadow and Silver that she can never cry again. She was still unconscious by the time the hedgehogs left, which also begs the question of how she knew what Silver looked like in the opening cutscene. Most confusingly, how could ''7-year-old'' Elise not cry for '''''10 YEARS!?''''' She should have cried at least upon waking up to find her father dead, among other things, but [[spoiler:it's not until a hedgehog that she's only known for a few days gets killed does that she ''finally'' shed sheds a tear for the first time in 10 years?]] That's really stretching my WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief, Sonic Team.
8th Sep '17 2:55:02 PM ReynTime250
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** The ResetButton ending and that Blaze's character changed through this game makes this question almost entirely worthless. It's pretty clear that this game has no bearing on the Sonic universe (Generations also had a time creator in it so the Time Eater probably could of made Sonic 06 real again until it was defeated)
5th Aug '17 5:42:03 AM 134340Goat
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** Evaporated? Truth is the writers probably didn't even know about that line, considering Battle was a relatively obscure game that likely had a whole different team of writers, and that line was already treading the line of non-canon just for an excuse to have Chaos in the game.
11th Jul '17 9:07:46 PM tf141soldier
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** This game is an absolute mess, I'm not surprised it made a directorial mistake like this. The most likely scenario: Shadow decided to track down Eggman when Eggman went to go capture Elise for the second time, because obviously just letting someone like Eggman dick around unsupervised is a dumb decision, which naturally led him to the cargo area where Sonic and Silver were having their confrontation. Split between the choice of rescuing Elise himself but potentially failing because Eggman was already airborne, or quickly and easily saving Sonic from Silver's misguided wrath, he took the far more logical option and jumped in to save Sonic's ass, buying the blue hedgehog time to go and rescue Elise himself. There, bam, I just made the game's story more logical.
15th Jun '17 6:03:09 AM Hydrosoul
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* In ''VideoGame/SonicBattle'', Knuckles says "[[GodzillaThreshold Chaos appears during great crisis]]". The game features a location [[MeaningfulName called]] [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Crisis City]]. Where was [[VideoGame/SonicAdventure Chaos]] during all this?
9th Jun '17 6:57:14 PM RoarkTenjouin
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*** Actually, that's not entirely true - just because you have something inside of you doesn't automatically mean you can be affected by it. There are numerous cases of asymptomatic carriers of various diseases who never showed symptoms of the diseases they carried (and I'd also like to point out that Iblis never showed any signs of attempting to possess Elise - if fusing Mephiles would've let Mephiles fuse with Iblis with no problems, then by the same logic, Iblis should've been able to easily possess Elise). If I had to guess why, however, it's likely because Mephiles could travel through time - he could just go back to before Iblis was sealed inside him, and stop the sealing process, and merge with the Iblis that wasn't sealed within him.
9th Jun '17 6:48:19 PM RoarkTenjouin
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* So, does Elise ''have'' to cry out of sadness in order for Mephiles to be released? Because you can cry as a result of being really happy (tears of joy are a thing), from laughing too hard, or from cutting onions. I could buy that maybe the last one wouldn't have happened, since she would likely have had servants cook for her...but you're really telling me that she hasn't cried of joy or of laughter before?
5th Jun '17 11:12:53 AM GodEmperor
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** Which is OutOfCharacter for Sonic considering he and Blaze in ''[[VideoGame/SonicRushSeries Sonic Rush]]'' had a [[HeldGaze long stare at each other]] and are trying to hold on to each other as long as possible before they get separated — Sonic's holding on with both hands. It's as if they're both reluctant to part ways. He has a lot of things on his mind but he could have at least acknowledged Blaze's presence stating that it's "good to see her again."
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