So... when space-time starts breaking apart when Mephiles fuses with Iblis... where the hell does everyone else go? Rouge, Shadow, and Omega have a possible alibi— they were near Chaos Emeralds. Elise was near Mephiles himself— that's a viable explanation. Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Silver, and Dr. Eggman, were not. How they gather at the same place after space-time breaks apart is beyond me, simply because they had no reason to.
One can assume that it was mostly just Solaris being an ass by showing them that their friend, associate, and supposed hero of the story ended up kicking the bucket, therefore letting them understand just how hopeless their situation is. Other than that, Plot Armor.
A lot of the game's plot falls apart if you think about it. Fridge-inducing moments include: why Mephiles had to merge with the Iblis of the present, rather than the Iblis in the future despite having the power to travel through time; how Elise knew Silver when she was unconscious during the entirety of his visit to the past; the infamous blue Chaos Emerald time loop; for that matter, where any of the seven Chaos Emeralds are during the plot at large, Elise not crying for ten years of her life, including after she finds out her father is dead, and why so many levels end with nothing accomplished. All this is probably a good reason for the Reset Button Ending.
Well, it's been theorized that Mephiles could only merge with Iblis while he was in his pure flame form, and not when he was in his normal monster form due to being released by Elise's death. As for the Chaos Emerald thing, supposedly the game was supposed to be a Continuity Reboot. It would keep all main characters, but for all intents and purposes, the previous games never happened. So in the story at least, the Chaos Emerald was never used to fight Perfect Chaos, the Biolizard, and so on. As for Elise not crying, let's just say she's a TwilightFangirl, so the death of her father doesn't bother her, but the love of her life - who she just met earlier that day, and is of a different species - dying... That cuts her deep. As for why nothing was accomplished... Well, let's just say that some of the characters have no idea what they're doing half of the time *cough* Sonic, Silver *cough*. Also, it was probably part of Mephiles' plot to keep everyone distracted long enough for him to accomplish his plans... What? His plans might be overly complex, but he's not incompetent.
The Chaos Emerald is a future version of the one we saw in previous games. As for Elise, I'd say the Duke made it so crying about his death wouldn't trigger the end of the world.
Or Elise forced herself not to cry over her father's death because he was the one who always insisted that she should never cry. She held back because it was what he wanted. Sonic's death was more shocking because, unlike the Duke, he died right in front of her, and that made her resolve break.
There is one possible explanation for Mephiles's forgoing merging with Iblis in the future. As shown in Silver's story, Elise's death causes the release of Iblis. However, Mephiles doesn't join with Iblis for 200 years, despite the latter's release. One explanation for this is that Elise needs to cry not only to release Iblis but also to allow Mephiles to merge with Iblis. After all, the plot does state that Elise must cry in order for Solaris to be a thing again, although it admittedly doesn't emphasize this enough. Since Elise never cried up until the point where she died on board Eggman's ship, the seal was never broken, so Mephiles was stuck with an Iblis that he couldn't transform with. Still, I have to wonder exactly why Mephiles didn't just go back in time and kill Elise as soon as she bonded with Sonic. He clearly didn't need Silver to do it, and he knew exactly what to do from the beginning.
What exactly was the point of Blaze's sacrifice at the end of Silver's story? So she stops Iblis from ruining the future... Except that the future is still ruined. Wouldn't it have been smarter to help Sonic and Shadow take down Iblis in their time rather than taking out Iblis at a point in time when it doesn't really help anyone?
Two reasons. One, because taking Iblis to a separate world/dimension/whatever removes him from Silver's world, thus giving it a chance to recover, and two, because obviously this game didn't have enough Epileptic Tree-spawning events already.
Up until the Big Bad Big merge, the game was in a stable time loop. If they did manage to stop Iblis along side Sonic and Shadow, it probably would have come back again some other time. There was at least a 200 year gap for something like that to happen.
The future wouldn't stay ruined. There was clearly enough water and food to keep the few survivors going. When Iblis went away, the world would've slowly healed due to no Iblis continually devestating the world.
The cutscene preceding Silver's final level contains a hint at Silver's motivation; he explicitly mentions his current plan doesn't involve changing the past. After all the shenanigans that he already experienced, this point isn't exactly without its merit.
When Rouge gives Omega the Chaos Emerald, and Omega prepares himself for the The Slow Path, one of the preparations he mentions is "External access no longer permitted". And indeed, when Shadow and Rouge found/find him in the future, they're unable to even rouse him from his standby mode. So... how did the humans of the future manage to reprogram him to go after Shadow?
Because that was the Omega from the future. I assume the External Access thing was only for the standby period.
The Omega with the Chaos Emerald was the Omega from the future. That's the whole point of The Slow Path, you sit and wait until it's the future.
Because there were two Omegas: the Omega in standby, and his future self who came back from the future after giving the emerald to Shadow. The one they reprogrammed was the latter, so no paradox here. If they had reprogrammed the Omega in standby, his reaction to meeting Shadow in the future would have been quite different.
Context is important here. She was saying that to someone who was trying to kill Sonic, whereas here Sonic is dead and this is pretty much the only way to save him. Plus with Silver, he claimed that Sonic would cause an disaster in the future, which simply a hypothetical scenario to Amy at this point, whereas at the end she can plainly see that everything's going to hell.
But if she stopped the kiss, she wouldn't have either.
Because tearing someone's head off would bump the game's rating from E10+ to M.
If Elise romantically kissing a hedgehog didn't bump the rating, I'm sure decapitaion wouldn't either.
Two questions for the Shadow Story: why were we randomly put in a hand glider thing when getting to the castle? And after the fight with Egg-Cerberus (why is he called Cerberus anyway?) they get transported to... a place... where, how and why?
A) He was sent there by GUN, so it's only natural that he'd get some equipment to go along with his mission.
B) A secret computer room that Eggman was probably safeguarding so that nobody else would know the details of his plans, which Shadow reached after rendering the base useless for the time being, because it was his and Rouge's mission.
Why not just transfer Iblis to someone about to die?
Because as soon as that person dies, Iblis is released and free to wreak havoc.
In Sonic the Hedgehog (2006), there's a mission with Silver where he tries training procedures done by the Soleannian Guards. However, it takes advantage of Silver's abilities. Including levitation. Now tell me this. How is this possible for the guards? Do they have superpowers or something?
The game is just that bad. That or the guards use trampolines.
Gameplay and Story Segregation is in full effect, or else the Soleanna guards are idiots. Further evidence: In Sonic's playthrough, there's a point where Sonic needs the guards to open a gate so he can go rescue Princess Elise (the person they were hired to protect). The guards make Sonic solve a logic puzzle before opening the stupid gate.
Alright, in Sonic 06, this bugs the hell out of me: What exactly did Eggman plan to do with Mephiles once he contained him? Because he spends the start of Shadow's story trying to get the Scepter of Darkness, and later tells Shadow to retrieve Mephiles if he wants answers, then all evidence of that is dropped part way through. If the Scepter was the only thing tough enough to contain Mephiles, and it's made of MAGIC... then how the hell does Eggman think he can make something that can hold an ultra powerful science botch up that's nothing short of sinister, given Eggman's record of his creations being failures. Not to mention that anything that Eggman tries to tame USUALLY turns against him anyway and clocks him in the head. Considering that Mephiles' one true desire is to fuse back with Iblis so the two of them can eat up time and all that... that leaves to question how Eggman would have thought this was a good idea. And better yet... WHAT was he planning to do with Mephiles anyway? My only logical guess is that he intended to use him like a battery to sap his time travel powers so that his time machine could work even better. Which would end badly the moment that plan is set into motion anyway...
Eggman probably planned on using Mephiles to control time (same reason he wanted Iblis). I mean, he wanted to rule over all time. Not just have the ability to time travel, but constantly rule over the past, present, and future. And why does Eggman think he can control Mephiles? Simple, his ego. He thinks of himself as the greatest genius in the world, so what's to make him think he couldn't control Mephiles? And while it is true that dealing with Sealed Evil in a Can has been problematic in the past (Chaos for example), he may actually knowwhat he's doing this time.
This is further supported by the fact that the machine he had already managed to reverse-engineer from the Solaris project, he had no control over whatsoever... Coupled with Mephiles and Iblis pretty much being the original components for the project from which the machine spawned from in the first place. It also helps that he had no idea whatsover what the future was actually like, coupled with the fact that nobody he encountered who had been to the future actually specifically knew the connection between the Solaris project and the devestation they saw or didn't know the connection until after their encounter with him (with the exception of Silver, but he and Eggman had neither the chance to speak or any reason to assume their respective involvements were important, just about everyone present in that scene had different things on their mind). Not that knowing the association between Mephiles/Iblis and the apocalypse would necessarily stop him from trying to meddle with forces that man should not meddle with, this is Eggman we are talking here...
Similarly, what the hell did he plan to do with Iblis? He kept kidnapping Elise, so he wanted Iblis, but what was he gonna do? The same thing with Mephiles?
For all we know, Eggman was not necessarily aware of every detail of Solaris Project. He could have expected at least one of the two half-deities to be in more usable state.
Also, wouldn't an easier plan to trap Iblis be that they seal him in Mephiles? Not fuse, but trap. Considering that the seal breaks when the host either dies or cries, and Mephiles is shown to have an extended lifespan (I doubt he's immortal if 200 years leads to lightening of fur color and eye color looks like it's clouding), and we know Mephiles either can't cry (lack of eyelids first off, and dude's too heartless to even channel any other emotion other than hate and fixation for power), or wouldn't stoop to that. So, if Iblis was trapped in the same way as he was in Elise, then the only way Mephiles could have released him was to either bawl like a baby, which would never happen, or die... which would not only make it impossible to fuse to Iblis, but would erase all other Mephileses (Mephili?) from the time stream so that neither of them can fuse either. Not only that, but it would drive him more insane than he already is knowing that Iblis is RIGHT THERE, and he can't get to him... but then, that's kinda torture... which sucks because he's my favorite in the series, but the only really logical and safe method...
Because there's pretty much no chance that that would actually work. Having the one thing he wants already inside of him seems like Mephiles would have no problem simply fusing. Plus, the sort of lifeform Mephiles is might exempt him from sealing anyway.
Actually, that's not entirely true - just because you have something inside of you doesn't automatically mean you can be affected by it. There are numerous cases of asymptomatic carriers of various diseases who never showed symptoms of the diseases they carried (and I'd also like to point out that Iblis never showed any signs of attempting to possess Elise - if fusing Mephiles would've let Mephiles fuse with Iblis with no problems, then by the same logic, Iblis should've been able to easily possess Elise). If I had to guess why, however, it's likely because Mephiles could travel through time - he could just go back to before Iblis was sealed inside him, and stop the sealing process, and merge with the Iblis that wasn't sealed within him.
And finally... for a time master, you'd think that Mephiles would know that if he were to destroy Shadow, especially before Shadow goes back in time, that he would erase himself as well. Why? Because Shadow inadvertently created Mephiles as we know him now. The simple fact that Mephiles only hates Shadow for trapping him in the Scepter and leading history to have no trace of him anywhere, only to show up again, and everyone scratches their heads at his identity, which drives Mephiles into a rage, in which he attacks Shadow of his time and sets forth the events that lead to that Shadow doing the very same to this Mephiles to the next timestream's Mephiles. Not only that, but Shadow's calling of his name mere minutes after the newly created Mephiles is trying to flee the hell out of this horrible horrible lab with dead bodies and a pissed off hedgehog, is probably the reason Mephiles took that name anyway... so, Mephiles trying to kill Shadow would be a bad thing for him, because he'd kill off all Mephili that are like him... think about it... if none of that happens, then Mephiles could have very well been a mass of darkness living in solitude in the empty halls of the abandoned lab, where probably no one would venture, and he would have probably never interacted with anything... so, this is all Shadow's fault, and Mephiles is showing to be self destructive trying to get rid of him...
Who's to say Mephiles actually knew that Shadow was in the present, the future, then the past in that order? Sure, he may have control over all time, but we don't know if he payed that much attention to Shadow's entire journey. And if he did then why NOT attack Shadow when he refused to join him? He may very well know he's not going to die yet, because he hasn't gone into the past and sealed him yet. That way he could beat him all he wanted with no consequence. But let's say he did kill Shadow, who's to say a paradox would even occur? Mephiles might have so much control over time, that he can prevent paradoxes from even forming. And well, even if Shadow never did seal up Mephiles in the past, it's pretty much a garnet that Mephiles would've still been searching for Iblis. His whole goal was to find him and join together so they could destroy time as Solaris. Even if Shadow never sealed him, and he never took Shadow's form, he probably just would have stolen someone else's shadow, and then gone on his Iblis hunt. If anything, Shadow prevented Mephiles' goals (if only for a short time).
Does Mephiles even know that the Shadow he met before is the Shadow of the future? He seemed surprised that Shadow forgot him so for all he knew Shadow just happened to be there in the past and no time travel was involved.
In Sonic 2006, Mephiles attempts to get Shadow to join him by saying that humans hunted him down at some point between Silver's time and the present. But then he also basically says flat out that he is the reason that Shadow wound up persecuted. Why is he surprised when Shadow refuses his offer?
Because the circumstances that caused the situation doesn't matter - the fact is that if the government got spooked enough, they would turn on Shadow and persecute him as a scapegoat even though he helped saved the damn world. That's a pretty good point to bring up if you want to make a character question their motivations/the side they're on. And remember, Shadow didn't refuse because Mephiles was the cause, he refused because he didn't care if the world turned on him one day.
Mephiles is only partly responsible for the destruction of the world. Iblis was the one who physically tore up all the buildings, and set the world ablaze. (Just wanted to clear that up.) Though, even if Mephiles did destroy the world, he wasn't the one who went and hunted down Shadow. The humans did. They were the ones who blamed Shadow for the disaster, and they were the ones who reprogrammed E-123 Omega to capture him. Even if Mephiles caused the the desolation of the future, he technically wasn't behind Shadow's capture.
In Sonic 2006, why does Mephiles want Shadow to join him? There doesn’t seem to be a practical reason for having someone capable of defeating him hanging around - apart from the ‘keep your enemies closer’ idea, but I doubt Mephiles thought Shadow wouldn’t see through something like that. The only other reason I can think of is that, knowing Shadow’s very powerful, Mephiles wanted to use him as a backup plan to kill Sonic in case Silver failed, but again there are problems: by this point Shadow considers Sonic to be an ally, and also Shadow isn’t as easy to manipulate as he used to be in Sonic Adventure 2 and his own game. It also spawns this question: how much does Mephiles know about Shadow’s life? He’s talked about Shadow’s future but does he know anything about the ARK incident or Black Arms?
And why does Mephiles tell Shadow that he will be hunted down and imprisoned in the future? If he didn’t reveal this to Shadow, then he wouldn’t be able to do anything about it, the events would inevitably happen and Mephiles wouldn’t have to worry about Shadow messing up his plans. Unless he made up the whole story to mess with Shadow’s head…?
If nothing else, he gets more manpower for hunting Chaos Emeralds, keeps one of the few who actually knows about his plans quiet, and gets a front row seat to the inevitable confusion between the heroes over Shadow yet again being an antagonist. He doesn't really treat Shadow's alliance as anything more than a nice bonus, after all, and was probably just taken off guard by his offer being rejected so quickly.
What just bugs me about Sonic 2006 is that the fans say there were three godlike entities in the game, Mephiles, Iblis, and Solaris, and that the former two controlled Solaris, and that two new entities were created at the Solaris Project. Except, that's not the case- Mephiles was Solaris's mind, so he IS Solaris. Once he fuses with Iblis, it's still Mephiles, just in a new body - Iblis, who was Solaris's body.
Correct, sort of; Mephiles is Solaris's mind, but Iblis is merely Solaris's raw power. Without Mephiles, Iblis isn't able to take Solaris's actual form, instead having to manifest as a beast that could be described as "Perfect Chaos, only made of lava." Iblis and Mephiles together make up Solaris; independently, neither of them can even begin to be what Solaris is.
Just what the fudge happened to the Master Emerald during all of this? I mean, yeah, gathering the seven chaos emeralds make sense, but you know... The Master Emerald can make you super as well. They'd have twice as much energy, and it would actually make sense when all three of them go super.
Considering how time and space is basically broken, I doubt they chose where they went. Probably just went where ever they could and started searching, and they didn't end up on Angel Island.
The writers probably got tired of the whole "Knuckles is the Master Emerald's guardian", maybe one day we'll get an official explanation as to why he isn't still on Angel Island sitting near it for the rest of eternity.
He probably realized it'd be easier to do what he wants and hunt down whoever stole it this time instead of sitting in front of it and waiting.
So if Iblis is released when its host dies, what did they plan to do when Elise died of natural causes? It had to happen eventually, unless she gets immortality from Iblis, which wouldn't make much sense since she grew while he was in her.
My guess? They'd "transfer" Iblis to a new, willing(?) vessel once Elise was on her deathbed.
How the hell does Silver's era exist? During "the present," Mephiles kills sonic, Elise cries and releases Iblis, and Mephiles merges with him and becomes Solaris to destroy time. In order for Silver's scenario to exist, Iblis would have had to have been released and then NOT immediately merged with Mephiles - which doesn't make a damn bit of sense, since Mephiles was the one who released him in the first place.
Because Mephiles killing Sonic isn't part of the timeline which ended up with Silver's future. In the original timeline, Iblis was released when Elise was killed when the Egg Carrier malfunctions and crashes.
Solaris could break the time "before" getting itself together.
"What's that? You want us to let you go and save our princess? Well, I would let you do that, or I could force you to pick out who the captain among us before I let you go and save our princess." Yeah. The Guards Must Be Crazy. Do these guards not have any damn priorities? They're stopping someone from saving their goddamned princess just so he could do some game.
It's made pretty clear that the guards don't trust the hedgehogs at all during the earlier parts of the game, so it could be Hand Waved as the guard in question trying to test his intelligence.
Considering that it's specifically said that Solaris exists throughout time, wouldn't it take an infinite number of people to successfully stop him? I mean having only 3 people fight Solaris would be in vain as the "past" means between the creation of the universe and present time, and the future always having infinite possibilities.
In a dimension where most of the laws of time and space are completely undefined and distorted? It really just boils down to beating the core senseless so that everything fixes itself.
Where the heck do Silver and Blaze live while they're in the past? Think about it; since they're from the future, they don't have a thing to they're names and they don't exist according to any records because they haven't even been born yet, they don't know anyone who could legitimately give them a place to stay, and they might not even have any experience living in a domestic setting since the future is... desolate.
The game takes places across, what, two days at most?
Don't forget that the game originally was supposed to have a day/night system. Mostly irrelevant now, but it's something to consider.
Still. What, did they just find a random park bench somewhere?
Since it took place over such a short time and they had such an important mission it's possible they didn't really stop at all, and therefore didn't need a place. Certain cutscenes even take place at night.
Does Blaze even exist, or is she merely a figment of Silver's imagination? Despite what backstories claimed (all of them not even making it into the game), notice that not a single character besides Silver acknowledges her existence. Not even NPCs. It only matters in the levels where she's playable, and those are dubious at best. Mephiles? Not a glance. Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles? They don't even comment on anyone but Mephiles, but it's assumed they don't see Blaze either. When Sonic and Silver meet up before Eggman and Elise's death, she's again not noticed. You'd think someone would throw at least one comment her way.
Summary: In the one case where it would have been beneficial to bend the plot to show off a character, the plot doesn't do it. Despite going out of its way to pick up everyone else. No one ever needed to talk to Blaze, but it just feels bizarre that no one's going to notice a bright lavender overdressed cat walking next to a Tron-esque telekinetic hedgehog.
Which is Out of Character for Sonic considering he and Blaze in Sonic Rush had a long stare at each other and are trying to hold on to each other as long as possible before they get separated — Sonic's holding on with both hands. It's as if they're both reluctant to part ways. He has a lot of things on his mind but he could have at least acknowledged Blaze's presence stating that it's "good to see her again."
How does Elise even know that she's housing Iblis? She was clearly unconscious when her father performed the sealing and explained to Shadow and Silver that she can never cry again. She was still unconscious by the time the hedgehogs left, which also begs the question of how she knew what Silver looked like in the opening cutscene. Most confusingly, how could 7-year-old Elise not cry for 10 YEARS!? She should have cried at least upon waking up to find her father dead, among other things, but it's not until a hedgehog that she's only known for a few days gets killed does she finally shed a tear for the first time in 10 years? That's really stretching my Willing Suspension of Disbelief, Sonic Team.
It could just be that it was a Despair Event Horizon that's required to free Iblis and that the Duke saying that she shouldn't cry was his way of simplifiying that concept for her. Regardless, it's stretching the suspension still.
Have they given an explanation why Shadow is willing to cooperate with the team that killed Maria?
It was already shown by the end of his titular game that he had already more or less gotten over it. Everything past that is mostly just conjecture, though it's not hard to imagine Rouge (one of the few people he's decently familiar with) managing to coax him into it at some point.
Besides, Maria's death happened fifty years before. Everyone involved most likely died or retired in the intervening years.
Okay, I have a LEGITIMATE question. Why is Sonic X Elise so hated, and people are like "EW! BESTIALITY!" When NO ONE complains about something like Roger and Jessica Rabbit?!
Because the relationship between Roger and Jessica Rabbit was more comedic, given the movie as a whole, as they were cartoons in real life. Patty cake to toons is sex. Sonic, a cartoony hedgehog, and Elise, a realistically rendered human, on the other hand, are portrayed as having a more serious relationship; this can make many people uncomfortable.
When Amy and Silver were walking together, Amy says that she can sense Sonic's presence. Later on, Elise senses Sonic's presence in the wind. HOW can they do that?
Amy has always had a habit of finding where Sonic is due to her stalking him all the time. Elise, well, it's not like Sonic and Co. haven't met ghosts before, (Tikal), so this may be a similar occurrence?
What kind of monarchy is Soleanna? At one point, Rouge refers to Elise as "Princess Elise III". The fact that her title is princess with a regnal number would suggest that it is a principality. However, her father is referred to as the Duke of Soleanna, which would suggest that it is a Duchy, which ranks higher than a principality. Was the country demoted in status after his death?
The rank of Duke/Duchess is below Prince/Princess. Thus, a principality is higher than a duchy in theory. However, Archdukes and Grand Dukes are higher than Princes. The Duke is never referred to as Archduke, although it may be shorthand for Grand Duke. Thus, we could assume Soleanna has gradually declined – it contains "Kingdom Valley", suggesting former kingdom status, was later ruled by a Grand Duke and now by a Prince(ss). Alternatively, the Duke was the sibling of the reigning Prince(ss), and Elise was the closest in line upon their death.
Since Iblis was released when Elise died in the Egg Carrier crash, it means the seal is broken when she dies. So why didn't Mephiles just kill her instead of trying to trick Silver into killing Sonic?
Probably just to keep everyone else guessing. Mephiles was Solaris's rage personified; it didn't matter how/when he accomplished his goals, so long as he can make people suffer while doing it. The more suffering, the better.
How did Shadow know Sonic was in trouble during Radical Train? I mean, it goes straight from him talking to Eggman to jumping out of nowhere saving Sonic from Silver trying to kill him.
This game is an absolute mess, I'm not surprised it made a directorial mistake like this. The most likely scenario: Shadow decided to track down Eggman when Eggman went to go capture Elise for the second time, because obviously just letting someone like Eggman dick around unsupervised is a dumb decision, which naturally led him to the cargo area where Sonic and Silver were having their confrontation. Split between the choice of rescuing Elise himself but potentially failing because Eggman was already airborne, or quickly and easily saving Sonic from Silver's misguided wrath, he took the far more logical option and jumped in to save Sonic's ass, buying the blue hedgehog time to go and rescue Elise himself. There, bam, I just made the game's story more logical.
How can Amy turn invisible by "concentrating her energy", and why does she never show any interest in doing it after this game?
It's just an ability she has in this game, albeit out of line compared to her earlier appearances. The ability itself, however, is only about as questionable as how Knuckles is able to glide.
How does Eggman come to the conclusion that Elise can somehow help him revive the Flames of Disaster? Silver's the only one who knows how Iblis can be released and reunited with Mephiles and that Elise is the vessel for Iblis. Eggman says that he researched the Solaris Project Incident, but the only useful information he would get from that is that Solaris was originally a flame that was entrusted to the Royal Family but was then experimented on by the Duke before splitting into two different entities. None of the information from the Solaris Project would have even hinted at Elise's being useful for Eggman's plans. She was only seven years old at the time and most likely had no involvement with her father's experiments, not to mention that she wouldn't have understood them. She doesn't even remember much from that incident, so what made Eggman think that she could be useful?
So, does Elise have to cry out of sadness in order for Mephiles to be released? Because you can cry as a result of being really happy (tears of joy are a thing), from laughing too hard, or from cutting onions. I could buy that maybe the last one wouldn't have happened, since she would likely have had servants cook for her...but you're really telling me that she hasn't cried of joy or of laughter before?