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** Or stopping Macha was an event with some sort of cosmic prescheduled event that Bronagh thought she'd be there for until that became impossible.
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**** Then again, he could just be trying to keep it out of sight of the kids: it's implied that the family is only barely holding together without Bronagh's calming influence.
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*** It's possible he's using the juice as therapy, but trying to keep it out of sight of the kids and the locals
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** I had the impression that what broke was the jar containing Saoirse's emotion, hence why her bottom stone half changed back into her legs.
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** I had the impression that what broke was the jar containing Saoirse's emotion, hence why her bottom stone half changed back into her legs.legs.
***It's possible he's using the juice as therapy, but trying to keep it out of sight of the kids and the locals
***It's possible he's using the juice as therapy, but trying to keep it out of sight of the kids and the locals
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* How come nobody said anything about [[spoiler:the shell flute breaking apart after Saoirse used it to free Macha's emotions]]?
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* How come nobody in the movie said anything about [[spoiler:the shell flute breaking apart after Saoirse used it to free Macha's emotions]]?
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* How come nobody said anything about [[spoiler:the shell flute breaking apart after Saoirse used it to free Macha's emotions]]?
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* How come nobody said anything about [[spoiler:the shell flute breaking apart after Saoirse used it to free Macha's emotions]]?emotions]]?
** I had the impression that what broke was the jar containing Saoirse's emotion, hence why her bottom stone half changed back into her legs.
** I had the impression that what broke was the jar containing Saoirse's emotion, hence why her bottom stone half changed back into her legs.
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*** Wrong. Connor IS an alcoholic until Saiorse plays the magic conch flute. The bright lights magic sprinkles float past the bar and THEN he pushes the drink away. Up until that point he had drunk some, as Guinness is properly served with an overflowing head.
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*** Wrong. Connor IS an alcoholic until Saiorse plays the magic conch flute. The bright lights magic sprinkles float past the bar and THEN he pushes the drink away. Up until that point he had drunk some, as Guinness is properly served with an overflowing head.head.
* How come nobody said anything about [[spoiler:the shell flute breaking apart after Saoirse used it to free Macha's emotions]]?
* How come nobody said anything about [[spoiler:the shell flute breaking apart after Saoirse used it to free Macha's emotions]]?
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** It doesn't seem downplayed to me, it seems completely non existent given what we see. I don't recall any of the other characters warning him away from it. The closest is his mother saying it's best not to remember that night instead of don't go drinking.
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** It doesn't seem downplayed to me, it seems completely non existent given what we see. I don't recall any of the other characters warning him away from it. The closest is his mother saying it's best not to remember that night instead of don't go drinking.drinking.
***Wrong. Connor IS an alcoholic until Saiorse plays the magic conch flute. The bright lights magic sprinkles float past the bar and THEN he pushes the drink away. Up until that point he had drunk some, as Guinness is properly served with an overflowing head.
***Wrong. Connor IS an alcoholic until Saiorse plays the magic conch flute. The bright lights magic sprinkles float past the bar and THEN he pushes the drink away. Up until that point he had drunk some, as Guinness is properly served with an overflowing head.
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** Tomm Moore mentions in the commentary that he actually didn't like the cliche of seeing Conor explicitly drink his beer. He mentions that they animated Conor's gesture as pushing away the bottle, in Moore's words "no, not for me," as if he's too grieved to even take a sip. If anything, the "drinking problem" is more or less downplayed on-screen.
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** Tomm Moore mentions in the commentary that he actually didn't like the cliche of seeing Conor explicitly drink his beer. He mentions that they animated Conor's gesture as pushing away the bottle, in Moore's words "no, not for me," as if he's too grieved to even take a sip. If anything, the "drinking problem" is more or less downplayed on-screen.on-screen.
** It doesn't seem downplayed to me, it seems completely non existent given what we see. I don't recall any of the other characters warning him away from it. The closest is his mother saying it's best not to remember that night instead of don't go drinking.
** It doesn't seem downplayed to me, it seems completely non existent given what we see. I don't recall any of the other characters warning him away from it. The closest is his mother saying it's best not to remember that night instead of don't go drinking.
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* This troper wondered the same thing. Maybe she just sucked at singing.
* Finding release from the bottom of a jar is a great metaphor and it would certainly play to the situation, but why is Conor so widely seen as having a drinking problem? He is seen going for precisely one drink throughout the entire movie, on the anniversary of his wife's death which is understandable (probably also one of the only nights of the year where he has someone else around to look after the kids allowing him to go to the main land), and even in this single instance it doesn't look like he even half finished his pint. Afterwards his behavior is unchanged and even when we encounter him alone at the end of the film he's clutching a picture of his wife and not a bottle. It's easy to see why the character could be a drunk given his situation, almost too easy, but from what we see, I can't think of any evidence to suggest he actually is.
* Finding release from the bottom of a jar is a great metaphor and it would certainly play to the situation, but why is Conor so widely seen as having a drinking problem? He is seen going for precisely one drink throughout the entire movie, on the anniversary of his wife's death which is understandable (probably also one of the only nights of the year where he has someone else around to look after the kids allowing him to go to the main land), and even in this single instance it doesn't look like he even half finished his pint. Afterwards his behavior is unchanged and even when we encounter him alone at the end of the film he's clutching a picture of his wife and not a bottle. It's easy to see why the character could be a drunk given his situation, almost too easy, but from what we see, I can't think of any evidence to suggest he actually is.
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** It's possible she of course meant to but she put it off because singing would mean leaving her family. Then the pregnancy went wrong and she resorted to diving into the ocean to give her daughter a safer birth. Some speculate that Bronagh died in childbirth in the sea and that was only her spirit bading them goodbye.
* Finding release from the bottom of a jar is a great metaphor and it would certainly play to the situation, but why is Conor so widely seen as having a drinking problem? He is seen going for precisely one drink throughout the entire movie, on the anniversary of his wife's death which is understandable (probably also one of the only nights of the year where he has someone else around to look after the kids allowing him to go to the main land), and even in this single instance it doesn't look like he even half finished his pint. Afterwards his behavior is unchanged and even when we encounter him alone at the end of the film he's clutching a picture of his wife and not a bottle. It's easy to see why the character could be a drunk given his situation, almost too easy, but from what we see, I can't think of any evidence to suggest he actually
** Tomm Moore mentions in the commentary that he actually didn't like the cliche of seeing Conor explicitly drink his beer. He mentions that they animated Conor's gesture as pushing away the bottle, in Moore's words "no, not for me," as if he's too grieved to even take a sip. If anything, the "drinking problem" is more or less downplayed on-screen.
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* Why didn't Bronagh ever do anything against Macha, instead leaving it up to her daughter to sing the song and save the faeries?
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* Why didn't Bronagh ever do anything against Macha, instead leaving it up to her daughter to sing the song and save the faeries?faeries?
* This troper wondered the same thing. Maybe she just sucked at singing.
* Finding release from the bottom of a jar is a great metaphor and it would certainly play to the situation, but why is Conor so widely seen as having a drinking problem? He is seen going for precisely one drink throughout the entire movie, on the anniversary of his wife's death which is understandable (probably also one of the only nights of the year where he has someone else around to look after the kids allowing him to go to the main land), and even in this single instance it doesn't look like he even half finished his pint. Afterwards his behavior is unchanged and even when we encounter him alone at the end of the film he's clutching a picture of his wife and not a bottle. It's easy to see why the character could be a drunk given his situation, almost too easy, but from what we see, I can't think of any evidence to suggest he actually is.
* This troper wondered the same thing. Maybe she just sucked at singing.
* Finding release from the bottom of a jar is a great metaphor and it would certainly play to the situation, but why is Conor so widely seen as having a drinking problem? He is seen going for precisely one drink throughout the entire movie, on the anniversary of his wife's death which is understandable (probably also one of the only nights of the year where he has someone else around to look after the kids allowing him to go to the main land), and even in this single instance it doesn't look like he even half finished his pint. Afterwards his behavior is unchanged and even when we encounter him alone at the end of the film he's clutching a picture of his wife and not a bottle. It's easy to see why the character could be a drunk given his situation, almost too easy, but from what we see, I can't think of any evidence to suggest he actually is.
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*** Alternatively, what if the movie's version of the lore sets the limit at ''six'' years? Then, it would also explain why Saoirse fell ill right after her sixth birthday.
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*** Alternatively, what if the movie's version of the lore sets the limit at ''six'' years? Then, it would also explain why Saoirse fell ill right after her sixth birthday.birthday.
*Why didn't Bronagh ever do anything against Macha, instead leaving it up to her daughter to sing the song and save the faeries?
*Why didn't Bronagh ever do anything against Macha, instead leaving it up to her daughter to sing the song and save the faeries?
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** One version of the original folklore says that a Selkie can only stay with a human for seven years before returning to the sea and leaving forever. Given that Ben was about four when Bronagh left, I can easily buy that she'd hit that limit.
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*** Alternatively, what if the movie's version of the lore sets the limit at ''six'' years? Then, it would also explain why Saoirse fell ill right after her sixth birthday.
*** Alternatively, what if the movie's version of the lore sets the limit at ''six'' years? Then, it would also explain why Saoirse fell ill right after her sixth birthday.
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** For this kind of folklore, I'd say your grandmother is [[ThereIsNoSuchThingAsNotability as notable a source as any.]] Besides, that fits in almost perfectly with what the film depicts.
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** For this kind of folklore, I'd say your grandmother is [[ThereIsNoSuchThingAsNotability as notable a source as any.]] Besides, that fits in almost perfectly with what the film depicts.depicts.
** One version of the original folklore says that a Selkie can only stay with a human for seven years before returning to the sea and leaving forever. Given that Ben was about four when Bronagh left, I can easily buy that she'd hit that limit.
** One version of the original folklore says that a Selkie can only stay with a human for seven years before returning to the sea and leaving forever. Given that Ben was about four when Bronagh left, I can easily buy that she'd hit that limit.
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**** I do note that when she [[spoiler: reappears at the end, the family strangely holds off asking her stay (though her son does pop the question later) and plead her not to take Saoirse. It's implied they had some understanding that Bronagh cannot reside in the human world anymore.]]
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**** I do note that was confused when she [[spoiler: reappears at the end, the family strangely holds off asking her stay (though her son does pop the question later) and plead her not to take Saoirse. It's Saoirse rather than plead for ''both' of them to stay', until I realized it's implied they had some an understanding that Bronagh cannot reside in the human world anymore.]]
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** Ok, so this is one of those " my grandma told me" things and I haven't really found anything else to back it up, but here it goes. In some tales where a selkie loves a mortal just as much as they love them, there is still an agreement that must be made by the laws of their people. The couple is obligated to produce 2 children, 1 selkie, 1 mortal, or as I heard it, "1 to be raised in her ways and 1 to be raised in his". That being said there was no mention of having to abandon them after that I can remember...so still stumped
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** Ok, so this is one of those " my grandma told me" things and I haven't really found anything else to back it up, but here it goes. In some tales where a selkie loves a mortal just as much as they love them, there is still an agreement that must be made by the laws of their people. The couple is obligated to produce 2 children, 1 selkie, 1 mortal, or as I heard it, "1 to be raised in her ways and 1 to be raised in his". That being said there was no mention of having to abandon them after that I can remember...so still stumpedstumped.
** For this kind of folklore, I'd say your grandmother is [[ThereIsNoSuchThingAsNotability as notable a source as any.]] Besides, that fits in almost perfectly with what the film depicts.
** For this kind of folklore, I'd say your grandmother is [[ThereIsNoSuchThingAsNotability as notable a source as any.]] Besides, that fits in almost perfectly with what the film depicts.
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** Ok, so this is one of those " my grandma told me" things and I haven't really found anything else to back it up, but here it goes. In some tails were a selkie loves a mortal just as much as they love them, there is still an agreement that must be made by the laws of their people. The couple is obligated to produce 2 children, 1 selkie, 1 mortal, or as I heard it, "1 to be raised in her ways and 1 to be raised in his". That being said there was no mention of having to abandon them after that I can remember...so still stumped
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*** Maybe the reason she didn't come back is she actually died in childbirth. Maybe that was only [[spoiler: her spirit at the end there. Though none of the other spirits brought by Saoirse's song were *dead*, exactly, I don't think...]]
** Ok, so this is one of those " my grandma told me" things and I haven't really found anything else to back it up, but here it goes. In sometails were tales where a selkie loves a mortal just as much as they love them, there is still an agreement that must be made by the laws of their people. The couple is obligated to produce 2 children, 1 selkie, 1 mortal, or as I heard it, "1 to be raised in her ways and 1 to be raised in his". That being said there was no mention of having to abandon them after that I can remember...so still stumped
** Ok, so this is one of those " my grandma told me" things and I haven't really found anything else to back it up, but here it goes. In some
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** ok, so this is one of those " my grandma told me things" and I haven't really found anything else to back it up, but here it goes. In some tails a were a selkie loves a mortal just as much as they love them, there is still an agreement that must be made by the laws of their people. The couple is obligated to produce 2 children, 1 selkie, 1 mortal, or as I heard it, "1 to be raised in her ways and 1 to be raised in his". That being said there was no mention of having to abandon them after that I can remember...so still stumped
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** ok, Ok, so this is one of those " my grandma told me things" me" things and I haven't really found anything else to back it up, but here it goes. In some tails a were a selkie loves a mortal just as much as they love them, there is still an agreement that must be made by the laws of their people. The couple is obligated to produce 2 children, 1 selkie, 1 mortal, or as I heard it, "1 to be raised in her ways and 1 to be raised in his". That being said there was no mention of having to abandon them after that I can remember...so still stumped
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* ok, so this is one of those " my grandma told me things" and I haven't really found anything else to back it up, but here it goes. In some tails a were a selkie loves a mortal just as much as they love them, there is still an agreement that must be made by the laws of their people. The couple is obligated to produce 2 children, 1 selkie, 1 mortal, or as I heard it, "1 to be raised in her ways and 1 to be raised in his". That being said there was no mention of having to abandon them after that I can remember...so still stumped
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* ok, so this is one of those " my grandma told me things" and I haven't really found anything else to back it up, but here it goes. In some tails a were a selkie loves a mortal just as much as they love them, there is still an agreement that must be made by the laws of their people. The couple is obligated to produce 2 children, 1 selkie, 1 mortal, or as I heard it, "1 to be raised in her ways and 1 to be raised in his". That being said there was no mention of having to abandon them after that I can remeber...so still stumped
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* ok, so this is one of those " my grandma told me things" and I haven't really found anything else to back it up, but here it goes. In some tails a were a selkie loves a mortal just as much as they love them, there is still an agreement that must be made by the laws of their people. The couple is obligated to produce 2 children, 1 selkie, 1 mortal, or as I heard it, "1 to be raised in her ways and 1 to be raised in his". That being said there was no mention of having to abandon them after that I can remeber...remember...so still stumped
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** No, it never directly explains it. Judging by the way white streaks were appearing in her hair [[spoiler: which happens to her daughter when she become ill]], the pregnancy was going badly, so Bronagh needed to assume her seal form to give birth, and afterwards was too weak to transform back; by the time she could she probably thought it was best to stay gone.
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** No, it never directly explains it. Judging by the way white streaks were appearing in her hair [[spoiler: which happens to her daughter when she become ill]], the pregnancy was going badly, so Bronagh needed to assume her seal form to give birth, and afterwards was too weak to transform back; by the time she could she probably thought it was best to stay gone.gone.
* ok, so this is one of those " my grandma told me things" and I haven't really found anything else to back it up, but here it goes. In some tails a were a selkie loves a mortal just as much as they love them, there is still an agreement that must be made by the laws of their people. The couple is obligated to produce 2 children, 1 selkie, 1 mortal, or as I heard it, "1 to be raised in her ways and 1 to be raised in his". That being said there was no mention of having to abandon them after that I can remeber...so still stumped
* ok, so this is one of those " my grandma told me things" and I haven't really found anything else to back it up, but here it goes. In some tails a were a selkie loves a mortal just as much as they love them, there is still an agreement that must be made by the laws of their people. The couple is obligated to produce 2 children, 1 selkie, 1 mortal, or as I heard it, "1 to be raised in her ways and 1 to be raised in his". That being said there was no mention of having to abandon them after that I can remeber...so still stumped
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* Did the movie ever explain why exactly Bronagh had to leave so abruptly? I assume it had something to do with protecting Saoirse from Macha (maybe 1.5 Selkies would attract her attention?), but I don't recall the movie ever really addressing it.
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* Did the movie ever explain why exactly Bronagh had to leave so abruptly? I assume it had something to do with protecting Saoirse from Macha (maybe 1.5 Selkies would attract her attention?), but I don't recall the movie ever really addressing it.it.
** No, it never directly explains it. Judging by the way white streaks were appearing in her hair [[spoiler: which happens to her daughter when she become ill]], the pregnancy was going badly, so Bronagh needed to assume her seal form to give birth, and afterwards was too weak to transform back; by the time she could she probably thought it was best to stay gone.
** No, it never directly explains it. Judging by the way white streaks were appearing in her hair [[spoiler: which happens to her daughter when she become ill]], the pregnancy was going badly, so Bronagh needed to assume her seal form to give birth, and afterwards was too weak to transform back; by the time she could she probably thought it was best to stay gone.
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** It seems to be a thing in selkie folklore; inevitably, the selkie will find her seal skin and return to the ocean, whether she really misses the sea or is happy with her family. Besides, if her husband forcefully kept her cloak from her, would you ''really'' expect her to willingly stay with him if she found a way out?
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** It seems to be a thing in selkie folklore; inevitably, the selkie will find her seal skin and return to the ocean, whether she really misses the sea or is happy with her family. Besides, if her husband forcefully kept her cloak from her, would you ''really'' expect her to willingly stay with him if she found a way out?out?
* Did the movie ever explain why exactly Bronagh had to leave so abruptly? I assume it had something to do with protecting Saoirse from Macha (maybe 1.5 Selkies would attract her attention?), but I don't recall the movie ever really addressing it.
* Did the movie ever explain why exactly Bronagh had to leave so abruptly? I assume it had something to do with protecting Saoirse from Macha (maybe 1.5 Selkies would attract her attention?), but I don't recall the movie ever really addressing it.
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** It seems to be a thing in selkie folklore; inevitably, the selkie will find her seal skin and return to the ocean, whether she really misses the sea or is happy with her family.
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** It seems to be a thing in selkie folklore; inevitably, the selkie will find her seal skin and return to the ocean, whether she really misses the sea or is happy with her family.
** It seems to be a thing in selkie folklore; inevitably, the selkie will find her seal skin and return to the ocean, whether she really misses the sea or is happy with her family.
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* So is Song of the Sea set in the same universe as TheSecretOfKells?
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