History Headscratchers / Skyfall

24th Feb '17 2:38:02 PM Statzkeen
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** It's not that they don't have the resources, it's that if they blindly killed everyone listed they'd mostly being offing their own people.
24th Jan '17 9:18:55 PM DoctorNemesis
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** Probably because (a) for better worse it's probably better remembered than some of the other examples and (b) it's an example of the kind of 'out-there' gadget which is typically associated with Film/JamesBond while still being grounded enough to fit in with the more down-to-earth and gritty atmosphere of the Daniel Craig Bond movies. It's a bit hard to imagine the Q Branch of ''Film/CasinoRoyale2006'' and ''Film/QuantumOfSolace'' developing [[Film/DieAnotherDay an invisible car]], after all.
22nd Jan '17 12:41:57 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Police uniforms are hardly as rare as uncut diamonds or secured 24/7 under the tightest and most impenetrable possible security. There are places online where you can buy pretty convincing replicas. Alternatively, I hardly think it's beyond the capabilities of a man hacking into MI6 on a regular basis to arrange for some henchmen to sneak into a police station and sneak away with some uniforms and a car.

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** Police uniforms are hardly as rare as uncut diamonds or secured 24/7 under the tightest and most impenetrable possible security. There are places online where you can buy pretty convincing replicas. Alternatively, I hardly think it's beyond the capabilities of a man hacking into MI6 on a regular basis to order some convincing police uniforms from a supplier under false pretences or to arrange for some henchmen to sneak undercover into a police station and sneak away with some uniforms and steal a car.
22nd Jan '17 12:36:09 AM DoctorNemesis
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** Police uniforms are hardly as rare as uncut diamonds or secured 24/7 under the tightest and most impenetrable possible security. There are places online where you can buy pretty convincing replicas. Alternatively, I hardly think it's beyond the capabilities of a man hacking into MI6 on a regular basis to arrange for some henchmen to sneak into a police station and sneak away with some uniforms and a car.
16th Jan '17 1:55:48 PM dcutter2
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[[folder:Pen Jokes]]
*Why pick on the poor pen? It's from one of Brosnan's best films and is a pretty sane gadget all things considered.
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17th Oct '16 12:44:55 PM dmcreif
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*** I guess that's possible, but it seems to violate the LawOfConservationOfDetail that Silva would arrange an unrelated assassination during his grand scheme. He owned a casino and could pretty much rape any secure computer system he wanted, so it seems bizarre to go off on an errand like that for money.
*** With that accounted for, it could be entirely a setup -- Silva hires Patrice, either giving him the ridiculously distinctive bullets and using him for a couple other assassinations or picking him on the basis of his highly identifiable signature bullets, specifically so MI-6 will have a trail for what they dig out of Bond (or what Bond digs out of himself as the case may be). The job in Shanghai is a setup exposed enough for Bond to have easy access to it and to pick up on the trail Silva's leaving (as well as to be struck by Severine from afar) but discreet enough that he'll readily think it's all been their own idea.

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*** I guess that's possible, but **That's possible. But it seems to violate the LawOfConservationOfDetail that Silva would arrange an unrelated assassination during his grand scheme. He owned a casino and could pretty much rape hijack any secure computer system he wanted, so it seems bizarre to go off on an errand like that for money.
*** With that accounted for, it could be entirely **It's probably a setup -- setup. Silva hires Patrice, either giving him the ridiculously distinctive bullets and using him for a couple other assassinations assassinations, or picking him on the basis of his highly identifiable signature bullets, specifically so MI-6 [=MI6=] will have a trail for what they dig out of Bond (or what Bond digs out of himself as the case may be). The job in Shanghai is a setup setup, exposed enough for Bond to have easy access to it it, and to pick up on the trail Silva's Silva is leaving (as well as to be struck noticed by Severine from afar) but discreet enough that he'll readily think it's it had all been their own idea.
4th Apr '16 1:38:20 PM Daethalion
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** Even taking all of the above into consideration, it's no stretch to assume that with all of the trauma Bond went through within the space of a few minutes that he would have at least been unconscious - and he certainly looked it in the brief view we see of him falling from the bridge. How did he manage to avoid ''drowning''?
9th Nov '15 7:49:45 AM kalliston
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** Severine's dress, though the back paneling is sheer, is clearly meant to show off the bare skin underneath at least as much as the decorative beadwork, etc.
25th Oct '15 1:31:01 PM Dragon101
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*** Silva said he was captured by the Chinese in '97, but that he had been stationed in Hong Kong since the 80's. So it's actually pretty easy to explain- M was his boss until around '94-95, when she was promoted from Station Chief to Head of [=MI6=] (or, she was promoted earlier to some other position and went from there). It makes perfect sense that the decision to trade a rogue agent for six prisoners is a decision left to the M, not to a station chief, so Silva only went rogue after she left. Nowhere does the movie say that M was station chief in '97.



Why didn't ''Eve'' take a second shot? Patrice was wide open after she accidentally hit Bond, so she could have eliminated him and stopped him from delivering the list right then.

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* Why didn't ''Eve'' take a second shot? Patrice was wide open after she accidentally hit Bond, so she could have eliminated him and stopped him from delivering the list right then.then.
** Shock at shooting Bond.



** The problem with these explanations is that, firstly, there were numerous other- ''safer''- ways to get close to M (eg. Bond seems to break into her house at will, in two different movies; Silva seems to know where M is 24/7); second, there were numerous things that both could and frankly ''should'' have gone wrong- it is, like many parts of his plan, an example of the villain appearing competent because the heroes are ''in''competent. Bond could have chosen not to miss with the shot underground; Q could have not plugged the laptop in or had it taken away to a safer location (or just failed to find the trap); M could have put more guards on him or otherwise took better measures to stop his escape; M could have left the hearing upon learning that Silva escaped; Bond could have chosen to kill him on the island; Silva could have been locked up somewhere else; etc., etc. It just comes across as an attempt to make him like The Joker from ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', except that a) Bond, unlike Batman, does not subscribe to ThouShallNotKill, b) [=MI6=] are usually written as a ''lot'' more competent and sophisticated than the Gotham Police Dept., and c) The Joker would consider being killed by the heroes a victory anyway, so whether his plan to get captured failed did not matter. And for that matter, d), TheJoker made a lot of stuff up on the fly, or only planned a few days earlier- according to Q, Silva supposedly plotted everything out years ago, which means he planned for things [[GambitRoulette he had no business planning for]] (such as the bomb in the underground or knowing for definite when and where and even '''that''' M would be hauled before a parliamentry committee).

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** The problem with these explanations is that, firstly, there were numerous other- ''safer''- ways to get close to M (eg. Bond seems to break into her house at will, in two different movies; Silva seems to know where M is 24/7); second, there were numerous things that both could and frankly ''should'' have gone wrong- it is, like many parts of his plan, an example of the villain appearing competent because the heroes are ''in''competent. Bond could have chosen not to miss with the shot underground; Q could have not plugged the laptop in or had it taken away to a safer location (or just failed to find the trap); M could have put more guards on him or otherwise took better measures to stop his escape; M could have left the hearing upon learning that Silva escaped; Bond could have chosen to kill him on the island; Silva could have been locked up somewhere else; etc., etc. It just comes across as an attempt to make him like The Joker from ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', except that a) Bond, unlike Batman, does not subscribe to ThouShallNotKill, b) [=MI6=] are usually written as a ''lot'' more competent and sophisticated than the Gotham Police Dept., and c) The Joker would consider being killed by the heroes a victory anyway, so whether his plan to get captured failed did not matter. And for that matter, d), TheJoker made a lot of stuff up on the fly, or only planned a few days earlier- according to Q, Silva supposedly plotted everything out years ago, which means he planned for things [[GambitRoulette he had no business planning for]] (such as the bomb in the underground or knowing for definite when and where and even '''that''' M would be hauled before a parliamentry parliamentary committee).



** What did the owner of the casino give Bond along with the money? After Bond is given the case the guy hands him what looks like a set of keys and says "With compliments of the house." After watching the movie a second time I assumed they were the keys to Bond's Aston Martin later in the movie, but that doesn't seem likely. Am I missing something?
** It's a stack of casino chips.



* What did the owner of the casino give Bond along with the money? After Bond is given the case the guy hands him what looks like a set of keys and says "With compliments of the house." After watching the movie a second time I assumed they were the keys to Bond's Aston Martin later in the movie, but that doesn't seem likely. Am I missing something?
** It's a stack of casino chips.


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*** It's doubtful that anyone else she sent would have done any better, given that Silva was playing everyone from the beginning. At the end of the day, Bond is and remains the best agent they have, regardless of hangups and screwups. Also, it's not just Bond who screws up- M tells Eve to shoot despite Eve saying she'll likely hit Bond; Eve indeed shoots and hits Bond; Q unwittingly gives Silva access to [=MI6=]s system; M doesn't bother warning the committee that a madman is coming to kill her and anyone in his way (maybe she doesn't like them very much); Silva plans for things that should be impossible...Basically, Bond is only as good as the people supporting him.
14th May '15 11:48:41 PM erforce
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** It's in the same continuity as Film/CasinoRoyale and Film/QuantumOfSolace, which is a reboot to the original Bond franchise. In this continuity, Bond wasn't even a 00 agent before the 21st century (see the opening to Film/CasinoRoyale), so Dr No and Goldfinger can't have happened.

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** It's in the same continuity as Film/CasinoRoyale Film/CasinoRoyale2006 and Film/QuantumOfSolace, which is a reboot to the original Bond franchise. In this continuity, Bond wasn't even a 00 agent before the 21st century (see the opening to Film/CasinoRoyale), Film/CasinoRoyale2006), so Dr No Film/DrNo and Goldfinger Film/{{Goldfinger}} can't have happened.



*** I was under the impression that the car was the one that Bond won in ''Film/CasinoRoyale''. As to the modding thing, well he's a secret agent. Wouldn't it make sense to have a car loaded with guns [[CrazyPrepared just in case]]?

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*** I was under the impression that the car was the one that Bond won in ''Film/CasinoRoyale''.''Film/CasinoRoyale2006''. As to the modding thing, well he's a secret agent. Wouldn't it make sense to have a car loaded with guns [[CrazyPrepared just in case]]?



** I was under the impression it was just one of many Cold War relic cars used by 00 agents that just happened to be lying around in a hidden cache somewhere because you never know when you need older tech for RockBeatsLaser and Bond just got the idea to use it. It just so happened to have the features and license plate found in the pre-Film/CasinoRoyale Bond films.

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** I was under the impression it was just one of many Cold War relic cars used by 00 agents that just happened to be lying around in a hidden cache somewhere because you never know when you need older tech for RockBeatsLaser and Bond just got the idea to use it. It just so happened to have the features and license plate found in the pre-Film/CasinoRoyale pre-Film/CasinoRoyale2006 Bond films.



** He doesn't outrank M. M answers only to the Prime Minister directly (though she still has to answer Parliament's questions). Mallory is assigned as a monitor and facilitator for M's transition, but his job doesn't outrank hers, the opposite, since he's beholden to the Minister of Defense. As such, his promotion to M really is a promotion, since he's not working with far less oversight and answers only to the Prime Minister. Remember that M's first scene in ''Film/CasinoRoyale'' had her letting off this rant at Villiers after learning of Bond's recklessness tracking down Mollaka to the embassy:

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** He doesn't outrank M. M answers only to the Prime Minister directly (though she still has to answer Parliament's questions). Mallory is assigned as a monitor and facilitator for M's transition, but his job doesn't outrank hers, the opposite, since he's beholden to the Minister of Defense. As such, his promotion to M really is a promotion, since he's not working with far less oversight and answers only to the Prime Minister. Remember that M's first scene in ''Film/CasinoRoyale'' ''Film/CasinoRoyale2006'' had her letting off this rant at Villiers after learning of Bond's recklessness tracking down Mollaka to the embassy:



* M's name is so secret that she threatens to have Bond killed for mentioning it in Film/CasinoRoyale, but [[spoiler:she's dragged in front of an apparently public parliamentary committee in this movie. Would it not be exceedingly awkward for this meeting to proceed without her name ever being mentioned once, especially if the news were there?]]

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* M's name is so secret that she threatens to have Bond killed for mentioning it in Film/CasinoRoyale, Film/CasinoRoyale2006, but [[spoiler:she's dragged in front of an apparently public parliamentary committee in this movie. Would it not be exceedingly awkward for this meeting to proceed without her name ever being mentioned once, especially if the news were there?]]
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