History Headscratchers / Skyfall

7th Feb '18 5:04:01 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** The problem with these explanations is that, firstly, there were numerous other- ''safer''- ways to get close to M (eg. Bond seems to break into her house at will, in two different movies; Silva seems to know where M is 24/7); second, there were numerous things that both could and frankly ''should'' have gone wrong- it is, like many parts of his plan, an example of the villain appearing competent because the heroes are ''in''competent. Bond could have chosen not to miss with the shot underground; Q could have not plugged the laptop in or had it taken away to a safer location (or just failed to find the trap); M could have put more guards on him or otherwise took better measures to stop his escape; M could have left the hearing upon learning that Silva escaped; Bond could have chosen to kill him on the island; Silva could have been locked up somewhere else; etc., etc. It just comes across as an attempt to make him like The Joker from ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', except that a) Bond, unlike Batman, does not subscribe to ThouShallNotKill, b) [=MI6=] are usually written as a ''lot'' more competent and sophisticated than the Gotham Police Dept., and c) The Joker would consider being killed by the heroes a victory anyway, so whether his plan to get captured failed did not matter. And for that matter, d),ComicBook/ TheJoker made a lot of stuff up on the fly, or only planned a few days earlier- according to Q, Silva supposedly plotted everything out years ago, which means he planned for things [[GambitRoulette he had no business planning for]] (such as the bomb in the underground or knowing for definite when and where and even '''that''' M would be hauled before a parliamentary committee).

to:

** The problem with these explanations is that, firstly, there were numerous other- ''safer''- ways to get close to M (eg. Bond seems to break into her house at will, in two different movies; Silva seems to know where M is 24/7); second, there were numerous things that both could and frankly ''should'' have gone wrong- it is, like many parts of his plan, an example of the villain appearing competent because the heroes are ''in''competent. Bond could have chosen not to miss with the shot underground; Q could have not plugged the laptop in or had it taken away to a safer location (or just failed to find the trap); M could have put more guards on him or otherwise took better measures to stop his escape; M could have left the hearing upon learning that Silva escaped; Bond could have chosen to kill him on the island; Silva could have been locked up somewhere else; etc., etc. It just comes across as an attempt to make him like The Joker from ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', except that a) Bond, unlike Batman, does not subscribe to ThouShallNotKill, b) [=MI6=] are usually written as a ''lot'' more competent and sophisticated than the Gotham Police Dept., and c) The Joker would consider being killed by the heroes a victory anyway, so whether his plan to get captured failed did not matter. And for that matter, d),ComicBook/ TheJoker d), ComicBook/TheJoker made a lot of stuff up on the fly, or only planned a few days earlier- according to Q, Silva supposedly plotted everything out years ago, which means he planned for things [[GambitRoulette he had no business planning for]] (such as the bomb in the underground or knowing for definite when and where and even '''that''' M would be hauled before a parliamentary committee).
7th Feb '18 5:03:55 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** The problem with these explanations is that, firstly, there were numerous other- ''safer''- ways to get close to M (eg. Bond seems to break into her house at will, in two different movies; Silva seems to know where M is 24/7); second, there were numerous things that both could and frankly ''should'' have gone wrong- it is, like many parts of his plan, an example of the villain appearing competent because the heroes are ''in''competent. Bond could have chosen not to miss with the shot underground; Q could have not plugged the laptop in or had it taken away to a safer location (or just failed to find the trap); M could have put more guards on him or otherwise took better measures to stop his escape; M could have left the hearing upon learning that Silva escaped; Bond could have chosen to kill him on the island; Silva could have been locked up somewhere else; etc., etc. It just comes across as an attempt to make him like The Joker from ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', except that a) Bond, unlike Batman, does not subscribe to ThouShallNotKill, b) [=MI6=] are usually written as a ''lot'' more competent and sophisticated than the Gotham Police Dept., and c) The Joker would consider being killed by the heroes a victory anyway, so whether his plan to get captured failed did not matter. And for that matter, d), TheJoker made a lot of stuff up on the fly, or only planned a few days earlier- according to Q, Silva supposedly plotted everything out years ago, which means he planned for things [[GambitRoulette he had no business planning for]] (such as the bomb in the underground or knowing for definite when and where and even '''that''' M would be hauled before a parliamentary committee).

to:

** The problem with these explanations is that, firstly, there were numerous other- ''safer''- ways to get close to M (eg. Bond seems to break into her house at will, in two different movies; Silva seems to know where M is 24/7); second, there were numerous things that both could and frankly ''should'' have gone wrong- it is, like many parts of his plan, an example of the villain appearing competent because the heroes are ''in''competent. Bond could have chosen not to miss with the shot underground; Q could have not plugged the laptop in or had it taken away to a safer location (or just failed to find the trap); M could have put more guards on him or otherwise took better measures to stop his escape; M could have left the hearing upon learning that Silva escaped; Bond could have chosen to kill him on the island; Silva could have been locked up somewhere else; etc., etc. It just comes across as an attempt to make him like The Joker from ''Film/TheDarkKnight'', except that a) Bond, unlike Batman, does not subscribe to ThouShallNotKill, b) [=MI6=] are usually written as a ''lot'' more competent and sophisticated than the Gotham Police Dept., and c) The Joker would consider being killed by the heroes a victory anyway, so whether his plan to get captured failed did not matter. And for that matter, d), d),ComicBook/ TheJoker made a lot of stuff up on the fly, or only planned a few days earlier- according to Q, Silva supposedly plotted everything out years ago, which means he planned for things [[GambitRoulette he had no business planning for]] (such as the bomb in the underground or knowing for definite when and where and even '''that''' M would be hauled before a parliamentary committee).
4th Jan '18 12:11:36 AM ForQueenAndHive
Is there an issue? Send a Message


[[folder: The One List]]

to:

[[folder: The One List]]Easy Out]]
4th Jan '18 12:11:15 AM ForQueenAndHive
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:


[[folder: The One List]]
* Couldn't the whole movie have been avoided if Bond just shot Patrice in the market chase instead of pulling off the move with the car door? He had a gun, he shoots him, gets the hard drive, Silva never leaks the names, M stays alive.
[[/folder]]
8th Dec '17 8:05:08 AM Jgorgon
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

*** It helps if you count the videogames ''007: Blood Stone'' and ''GoldenEye Reloaded'' as canonical; both depict a James Bond who is neither a rookie nor over the hill.
14th Sep '17 4:01:11 PM Ansongc2000
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

*** Silivia had his own YouTube account, and a listed time he would put up more videos, so it'd be pretty easy to tell which were real or not, at least until Silvia's first account was shut down, which will barely slow him down. Also, the terrorists can probably spot an agent if they know where to look. Keeps to himself? Joined us recently, after which we've faced a serious downturn in productivity? Has some British contacts on his phone? He's a spy. Shoot him.
25th Jul '17 7:20:09 AM DoctorNemesis
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Perhaps they did have some reinforcements waiting somewhere. But reinforcements don't always get summoned and arrive in time.
4th Jun '17 12:23:17 PM nombretomado
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** Isn't it already established that Brosnan-era Dench!M and Craig-era Dench!M are two different people anyway? Even here on TVTropes we list Dench!M as two different people, the one who loathes Cold War relics and the one who misses the Cold War. Their personalities are a little different from each other as well.

to:

*** Isn't it already established that Brosnan-era Dench!M and Craig-era Dench!M are two different people anyway? Even here on TVTropes Wiki/TVTropes we list Dench!M as two different people, the one who loathes Cold War relics and the one who misses the Cold War. Their personalities are a little different from each other as well.
3rd May '17 8:28:39 AM DoctorNemesis
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

** Most likely, someone somewhere just got careless. As someone mentioned under a different folder above, there's been a surprisingly large number of security leaks from the British government which basically revolved around someone leaving files which you'd expect should be under much tighter security basically just lying around. Any security system is ultimately as good as the people using it, the people using it are ultimately human, and they sometimes goof up in quite disastrous ways.
3rd May '17 8:19:13 AM DoctorNemesis
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

*** The location in the movie is probably a fictionalised version of the two examples mentioned above; as in, the island itself doesn't actually exist, but is based on and shot using one of the real world versions.
This list shows the last 10 events of 259. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Headscratchers.Skyfall