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** I ''know'' she was there as a backup for Ramirez, but a backup isn't "strictly necessary" unless something happens to the first choice. They didn't create another backup for Fina once Ramirez fell through. If they only create new Silvites as they need them, why didn't they wait until after Ramirez was gone to create Fina?
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* Why does Ramirez's name go along with the Spanish naming conventions of the Valuans, even though he's a Silvite? I know it's been suggested his name was originally Rami (since that's what Fina says at a couple points whenever he's mentioned), but connecting the name of a Valuan admiral with that of your long-lost childhood friend when they only have that much in common seems a stretch. Plus, when Fina is discussing Ramirez's betrayal with the elders, they never have to stop and ask who "Ramirez" is.
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* Why does Ramirez's name go along with the Spanish naming conventions of the Valuans, even though he's a Silvite? I know it's been suggested his name was originally Rami (since that's what Fina says at a couple points whenever he's mentioned), but connecting the name of a Valuan admiral with that of your long-lost childhood friend when they only have that much in common seems a stretch. Plus, when Fina is discussing Ramirez's betrayal with the elders, they never have to stop and ask who "Ramirez" is.
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** The first response still makes the fairest point - we don't know that Piastol knows anything about Dyne. She already makes her living killing Air Pirates and collecting their bounties. She only zeroes in on Vyse after he sets out on his own and makes a name for himself, suggesting she didn't know anything about him or his family before then. And a girl raised in Valua probably wouldn't hold a rational view of what even the youngest Air Pirates are like; to her, there could be no telling what they're capable of. She already didn't realize that they were Blue Rogues there to help her and the other passengers.
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** If Belleza's telling of events is accurate, this would mean that all the Valuan admirals (sans Gregorio, Galcian, and Ramirez) and Enrique were raised during wartime.
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* Even after the Valuans have seized control of Valua, it ends up being Kangan who awakens Bluheim using the Blue Crystal. Why does he still have it at that point? Wouldn't Beleza have arranged for it to be handed over as part of their deal?
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* Even after the Valuans have seized control of Valua, it ends up being Kangan who awakens Bluheim using the Blue Crystal. Why does he still have it at that point? Wouldn't Beleza have arranged for it to be handed over as part of their deal?
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* There's this really weird set of dialogue relating to the remains of Gonzales on Crescent Isle. When Vyse first comes across him, he remarks that he'll provide him with a proper burial, and immediately after saying this, he stands up and says, "...There. Now that that's done, I should check out the rest of the isle," even though he didn't do anything. Re-checking the remains has Vyse promise that he'll bury them as soon as he gets the chance - but once you ''do'' explore the rest of the island, Vyse sees an incoming storm and suggests that he take shelter in the cave near where he "buried" Gonzales...Is this a translation error or something, or has Vyse gone completely goombah-beans? Why does the game act as though you've already buried this guy two separate times when you very obviously have not?
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* There's this really weird set of dialogue relating to the remains of Gonzales on Crescent Isle. When Vyse first comes across him, he remarks that he'll provide him with a proper burial, and immediately after saying this, he stands up and says, "...There. Now that that's done, I should check out the rest of the isle," even though he didn't do anything. Re-checking the remains has Vyse promise that he'll bury them as soon as he gets the chance - but once you ''do'' explore the rest of the island, Vyse sees an incoming storm and suggests that he take shelter in the cave near where he "buried" Gonzales...Is this a translation error or something, or has Vyse gone completely goombah-beans? Why does the game act as though you've already buried this guy two separate times when you very obviously have not?
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** As for him weighing down a switch...His only utility in doing that would be if the switch needs to be constantly weighed down, and Cupil isn't something they would want to leave behind. Considering he's something of an EmphatheticWeapon, and is explicitly compared to Zelos (who requires a Silvite host to bond with), he might have to remain near Fina in order to function.
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** As for him weighing down a switch...His only utility in doing that would be if the switch needs to be constantly weighed down, and Cupil isn't something they would want to leave behind. Considering he's something of an EmpatheticWeapon, and is explicitly compared to Zelos (who requires a Silvite host to bond with), he might have to remain near Fina in order to function.
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** As for him weighing down a switch...His only utility in doing that would be if the switch needs to be constantly weighed down, and Cupil isn't something they would want to leave behind. Considering he's something of an EmpatheticWeapon, and is explicitly compared to Zelos (who requires a Silvite host to bond with), he might have to remain near Fina in order to function.
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** Possibly they needed all six Moon Crystals in order to create a creature powerful enough to summon the Rains from all six moons. We don't know that the other civilizations were at odds with the Silvites - the Ixa'Takans actually revered them as gods due to their ability to subdue the Green Gigas when nothing else could. And once the Rains were over, the Silvites left the Moon Crystals in places where (they figured) no one would be able to reach them - four of them were hidden within complex temples/dungeons/sealed underground cave systems, and the fifth was embedded in the skin of some random archwale. They were also probably relying on the destruction the Gigas had caused acting as a deterrent to keep people from using them again, and even if anyone had tried, all the Silvites would've needed to do was send someone down to collect the crystals and activate the Rains again.
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* Quemal, the items shopkeeper in Maramba, posits that a war between Valua and Nasr broke out ten years prior.
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* How did Ramirez manage to hide the truth of his origins from the entire Armada (sans Galcian)? Doc's flashbacks show Ramirez, in his Silvite garb, being carried on a stretcher by Valuan soldiers. Did no one question his strange clothing or his ability to summon a bizarre-looking sword from seemingly nowhere? Doesn't the Armada run any sort of background check on their soldiers, especially in regards to their highest-ranking officers?
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* So dialogue from one of the traveling Black Market dealers and Ramirez's backstory (as shown through Doc's flashbacks) indicate that Ixa'taka has been a colony of Valua for several years. If this is so, why is Ixa'taka described as an undiscovered continent? Also, if the Valuans have been oppressing and enslaving them for years, why didn't the Ixa'takans recognize the "men from the East" when they arrived?
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* Belleza (as Bellena) states that the Valua-Nasr War began twenty years prior to the story. However, the "Valuan Wreckage" discovery indicates that the war ended twenty years ago. It could have been a very short war which lasted less than a year, but the village elder in Maramba claims that he had been at war with Valua for more than half of his life. This means that the war would have had to span at least thirty years.
** This also brings up questions about the war's relevance in the story. Besides providing a tragic backdrop for Belleza's character, the Valua-Nasr War doesn't really have any significant impact on current events in the story. Valua and Nasr are positioned as historical enemies, but the player doesn't ever see tension between the two countries. (The destruction of Nasrad was a full-on curb stomp with seemingly no consequences for Valua.)
** If Belleza's telling of events is accurate, this would mean that all the Valuan admirals (sans Gregorio, Galcian, and Ramirez) and Enrique were raised during wartime.
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* So dialogue from one of the traveling Black Market dealers and Ramirez's backstory (as shown through Doc's flashbacks) indicate that Ixa'taka has been a colony of Valua for several years. If this is so, why is Ixa'taka described as an undiscovered continent? Also, if the Valuans have been oppressing and enslaving them for years, why didn't the Ixa'takans recognize the "men from the East" when they arrived?
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* Belleza (as Bellena) states that the Valua-Nasr War began twenty years prior to the story. However, the "Valuan Wreckage" discovery indicates that the war ended twenty years ago. It could have been a very short war which lasted less than a year, but the village elder in Maramba claims that he had been at war with Valua for more than half of his life. This means that the war would have had to span at least thirty years.
** This also brings up questions about the war's relevance in the story. Besides providing a tragic backdrop for Belleza's character, the Valua-Nasr War doesn't really have any significant impact on current events in the story. Valua and Nasr are positioned as historical enemies, but the player doesn't ever see tension between the two countries. (The destruction of Nasrad was a full-on curb stomp with seemingly no consequences for Valua.)
** If Belleza's telling of events is accurate, this would mean that all the Valuan admirals (sans Gregorio, Galcian, and Ramirez) and Enrique were raised during wartime.
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* Why did the Silvites build Zelos in a way that required all six Moon Crystals to summon it? It makes no sense to base the activation of their ultimate, world-ending weapon on having the Moon Crystals of their enemy countries. If they are so concerned about Arcadians using the Gigas to destroy the world, then why didn't they just get rid of the Moon Crystals after the first Rains of Destruction? The fact that the Moon Crystals are still in their countries of origin during the time of the story indicates that the Silvites just gave them back after purging the world.
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* Why did the Silvites build Zelos in a way that required all six Moon Crystals to summon it? It makes no sense to base the activation of their ultimate, world-ending weapon on having the Moon Crystals of their enemy countries. If they are so concerned about Arcadians using the Gigas to destroy the world, then why didn't they just get rid of the Moon Crystals after the first Rains of Destruction? The fact that the Moon Crystals are still in their countries of origin during the time of the story indicates that the Silvites just gave them back after purging the world.
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** Given the kind of person Belleza is, she most likely ordered her crew to evacuate the Lynx before making her attack. Running the ship on a crew of one is not unfeasible when it’s just for one simple maneuver.
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* Fina's hunt for Moon Crystals is pretty much brought to a halt once the Valuans capture her - she doesn't trust anyone enough to tell them her mission at first, and she can't get anywhere on her own now that her ship is gone, yet she doesn't show any incentive to try and get the ball rolling or anything. She never tries to find a way off Pirate Isle and seems content to simply hang around Vyse's house before the Valuans return and destroy the place. Was she planning to wait around until she'd developed enough trust in him to tell him her mission? Did she have any plans at all?
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* Fina's hunt for Moon Crystals is pretty much brought to a halt once the Valuans capture her - she doesn't trust anyone enough to tell them her mission at first, and she can't get anywhere on her own now that her ship is gone, yet she doesn't show any incentive to try and get the ball rolling or anything. She never tries to find a way off Pirate Isle and seems content to simply hang around Vyse's house before the Valuans return and destroy the place. Was she planning to wait around until she'd developed enough trust in him to tell him her mission? Did she have any plans at all?
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* The damn Imposters. I've gone through every [[GuideDangIt guide and site]], and I can not for the life of me make those bastards appear. Every game has ended with [[YouSuck Vyse the Fallen Pirate]], and it irritates me to no end! What does it take to make them appear!?
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* The damn Imposters. I've gone through every [[GuideDangIt guide and site]], and I can not for the life of me make those bastards appear. Every game has ended with [[YouSuck [[ThisLoserIsYou Vyse the Fallen Pirate]], and it irritates me to no end! What does it take to make them appear!?
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** They may not have dealt the killing blow, but they were the ones who defeated Galcian and thwarted his plans. He was on that escape pod because he was running from them. It's a stretch to say they murdered him, but they definitely had a hand in his death. And given that Ramirez isn't thinking rationally at this point and the person who actually did the deed is gone (and thus not a viable target for Ramirez' vengeance) he may just see Vyse and co. as the next best thing.
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* Did Belleza have any other crew members onboard her flagship when she kamikazed into Galcian's escape pod? I could very well be wrong, but a ship like hers doesn't seem very easy to get up and running and commandeer on her own...and if so, does that mean she basically invited those potential crewmates to give their lives for her agenda?
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* Did Belleza have any other crew members onboard her flagship when she kamikazed into Galcian's escape pod? I could very well be wrong, but a ship like hers doesn't seem very easy to get up and running and commandeer on her own...and if so, does that mean she basically invited those potential crewmates to give their lives for her agenda?
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*** How did he expect Elder Prime to activate the Rains? Even if Vyse were to let the elders kill Fina for her crystal and they could get down to Soltis when it's buried at the bottom of Deep Sky, Galcian already has the other five that are necessary.
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* The fact that Ramirez accuses Vyse and co. of murdering Galcian...I know he's mentally unhinged and murderous enough to try and slaughter them all anyway, but it loses some of its edge considering they didn't kill Galcian. Belleza did, for a completely different agenda than Vyse's. And she and Ramirez were both admirals, so he should've recognized her ship easily as the one that destroyed Galcian's. So where does he get off blaming Vyse and his crew?
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** You answered your own question, technically. She was a backup in case something happened to Ramirez. That makes perfect sense to me, especially for such a nihilistic, brutally-pragmatic, Darwinist society like the Silvites. Who else would have gone in Ramirez's the place, the Elders? They're so incredibly old their life support systems are the only thing keeping them alive. Plus, who knows: maybe the Elders were actually really fond of Fina and her personality, so they had both practical and personal reasons for keeping her around. She is endearing, after all, and Ramirez's best and only friend.
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** Plus, no doubt Ramirez and Galcian were in a hurry to kickstart their apocalyptic plans, so they just wanted to grab the crystal and leave, let the Rains of Destruction sort them all out (or let Vyse and the rest of them die in space).
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** Ramirez tells Galcian, who tells the other Admirals in the Valuan Armada. Galcian is an incredibly smart dude, and he probably thought it wiser to tell his tightly-knit, (mostly) trustworthy group of Admirals about this vital intel (Alfonso is the black sheep in the Armada anyways; all the other Admirals are incredibly competent and earned their position compared to inheriting it). It makes perfect sense to me; seven admirals all pooling their resources and time together for the sake of completing one common objective is way more practical and less time-consuming than if Galcian and Ramirez just tried to find her themselves. As to why Alfonso captured her, it's probably because he spotted her ship first and just happened to be in the right place at the right time.
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** So, Yeligar is a quad-tentacled, lightning-wreathed, golem-esque, floating Gigas that can fire lightning at anyone he so chooses. Ancient records say his thunder tore open the skies themselves, according to Fina's account. Would you wanna try and extract the crystal directly from that thing yourself while it was alive and breathing? I imagine the Silvites really tried to extract it but the Gigas are herculean, powerful beings; they were especially powerful when the Silvites were still on Earth (a thousand years ago), long before Enrique and the Blue Rogues waltzed in with the most ''powerful ship in Arcadia''. They were probably forced to just be content with sealing him and being done with it, even if they had Zelos alongside them.
** As a small addendum, they probably didn't know about Rhaknam! Rhaknam is the only proper Gigas in the game not re-awakened by a Moon Crystal; he was probably never properly sealed, or was too quick for the Silvites' efforts. Rhaknam is stupidly mobile, hence why Drachma's been hunting him for so long.
** As a small addendum, they probably didn't know about Rhaknam! Rhaknam is the only proper Gigas in the game not re-awakened by a Moon Crystal; he was probably never properly sealed, or was too quick for the Silvites' efforts. Rhaknam is stupidly mobile, hence why Drachma's been hunting him for so long.
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** Elder Prime could have activated the Rains of Destruction if he was still alive, simple as that. Ramirez had absolutely no pragmatic reason to keep Elder Prime alive; in addition, Ramirez was no doubt bitter towards all the Silvites after Galcian's manipulation, his lonely childhood, and his probable feeling of abandonment on Arcadia. Fina was a little different; Fina and Ramirez were childhood friends, so he no doubt had at least a vague soft spot for her. He only really shows a desire to murder her on exactly two occasions: when he needed her crystal (and even then, he remembered he could have just taken Elder Prime's, which he did), and after Galcian was murdered by Fina and the Blue Rogues.
** Plus, no doubt Ramirez and Galcian were in a hurry to kickstart their apocalyptic plans, so they just wanted to grab the crystal and leave, let the Rains of Destruction sort them all out (or let Vyse and the rest of them die in space).
** Plus, no doubt Ramirez and Galcian were in a hurry to kickstart their apocalyptic plans, so they just wanted to grab the crystal and leave, let the Rains of Destruction sort them all out (or let Vyse and the rest of them die in space).
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** Though that means they still ''collectively'' proved that the world is round. If Belleza and Vigoro went to the Sailors' Guild and told them, "We travelled to Yafutoma by going west from Ixa'Taka," and Vyse went to the guild and told them, "I made it to Yafutoma by going east from Nasr through the Dark Rift," that could only lead to the conclusion that both sides were connected.
