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* So Galcian was planning on betraying the Valuan Empire from the very beginning, and with Ramirez to tell him where the crystals were, the only reason he needed Fina was for her shard of the Silver Crystal. So why did anyone else in Valua know about Fina in the first place? I'm assuming the information about her information must've come, directly or otherwise, from Ramirez - no one else in Arcadia even knew about her - so why was Alphonso the one who captured her? Why didn't Galcian capture her himself, keep her locked up somewhere so no one else would know about her, and use Ramirez's intel to gather the other Crystals?

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* So Galcian was planning on betraying the Valuan Empire from the very beginning, and with Ramirez to tell him where the crystals were, the only reason he needed Fina was for her shard of the Silver Crystal. So why did anyone else in Valua know about Fina in the first place? I'm assuming the information about her information must've come, directly or otherwise, from Ramirez - no one else in Arcadia even knew about her she existed - so why was Alphonso the one who captured her? Why didn't Galcian capture her himself, keep her locked up somewhere so no one else would know about her, and use Ramirez's intel to gather the other Crystals?
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* So Galcian was planning on betraying the Valuan Empire from the very beginning, and with Ramirez to tell him where the crystals were, the only reason he needed Fina was for her shard of the Silver Crystal. So why did anyone else in Valua know about Fina in the first place? I'm assuming the information about her information must've come, directly or otherwise, from Ramirez - no one else in Arcadia even knew about her - so why was Alphonso the one who captured her? Why didn't Galcian capture her himself, keep her locked up somewhere so no one else would know about her, and use Ramirez's intel to gather the other Crystals?
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** But if they had to use a crystal to create Fina, why go to the trouble of creating her instead of just using the crystal itself?


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* So how was Ramirez killing Elder Prime for his crystal more beneficial than killing Fina for hers? Fina has already allied herself with the Blue Rogues and has an extensive knowledge of the six civilizations, meaning she's a liability to Galcian's plans as long as she's alive. At best, Elder Prime put up less of a fight before being killed, but considering how powerful Galcian and Ramirez are, taking out Vyse and and co. shouldn't have been much more difficult.
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** There's a theory that they always intended to use Fina's crystal to awaken Zelos.
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**** Nevermind. Restarted the game, and it turns out the Valuans completely looted the base during the attack.
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* Why did the Silvites leave the Yellow Crystal in Yeligar's possession when they sealed him up? Why not just put him to sleep and then take the crystal up into space with them? And why didn't they do anything about Rhaknam?
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*** I think it's more likely that the men brought the Albatross out before the Valuans got there, and it was destroyed in the battle, rather than Dyne risking them searching the island for it and coming across the woman and children hiding underground, who they probably could've arrested as easily as the others. Not to mention, there are things in the base that were stolen from Alphonso's ship at the start of the game that I'm pretty sure are still there when you return. If the Valuans had found the base, I'm pretty sure they would've taken those back as well.
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* I seem to recall Fina stating that there aren't any more Silvites living in the shrine than is strictly necessary. But then why was she there? The only practicality of her being there was to serve as a backup in case something happened to Ramirez, but she says that she was there with him before he ever left on his mission. And their ability to create new Silvites whenever they please rules out the usage of Ramirez and Fina in some AdamAndEvePlot. Why wouldn't she have been created until afterward?
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** Plus, next time we see her, the Green Moon Crystal was already claimed by Vyse (then claimed by Valua, then reclaimed by Vyse), three more Admirals were taken down, the prototype flagship was stolen, Prince Enrique was "kidnapped", the Grand Fortress was severely damaged, AND Vyse and the crew are zeroing in on the Blue Moon Crystal in a region of land that was previously inaccessible. If anything, any information she had was gravely outdated by that point.

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** Plus, next time we see her, the Green Moon Crystal was already claimed by Vyse (then claimed by Valua, then reclaimed by Vyse), three more Admirals were taken down, the prototype flagship was stolen, Prince Enrique was "kidnapped", the Grand Fortress was severely damaged, AND Vyse and the crew are zeroing in on the Blue Moon Crystal in a region of land that was previously inaccessible. If anything, any information she had was gravely laughably outdated by that point.

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Plus, next time we see her, the Green Moon Crystal was already claimed by Vyse (then claimed by Valua, then reclaimed by Vyse), three more Admirals were taken down, the prototype flagship was stolen, Prince Enrique was "kidnapped", the Grand Fortress was severely damaged, AND Vyse and the crew are zeroing in on the Blue Moon Crystal in a region of land that was previously inaccessible. If anything, any information she had was gravely outdated by that point.

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\nPlus, **Plus, next time we see her, the Green Moon Crystal was already claimed by Vyse (then claimed by Valua, then reclaimed by Vyse), three more Admirals were taken down, the prototype flagship was stolen, Prince Enrique was "kidnapped", the Grand Fortress was severely damaged, AND Vyse and the crew are zeroing in on the Blue Moon Crystal in a region of land that was previously inaccessible. If anything, any information she had was gravely outdated by that point.
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** They probably assumed that Belleza would at worst be out of commission for a while and wouldn't be in a position to tell Galcian anything, as her ship was disabled and the Nasrad skiff is incapable of traveling through the stone reefs. Besides, Valua already knew Fina's mission and the idea that the Moon Crystals are hidden under their respective moons was common enough knowledge amongst all parties. Even if she was able to immediately report back to the Armada, Belleza wouldn't have anything useful to tell them.

Plus, next time we see her, the Green Moon Crystal was already claimed by Vyse (then claimed by Valua, then reclaimed by Vyse), three more Admirals were taken down, the prototype flagship was stolen, Prince Enrique was "kidnapped", the Grand Fortress was severely damaged, AND Vyse and the crew are zeroing in on the Blue Moon Crystal in a region of land that was previously inaccessible. If anything, any information she had was gravely outdated by that point.
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*** They probably found the underground base given the fact that it's explicitly said they destroyed the Albatross, and it had been docked there since you first reach Pirate Isle.
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** The Valuans also might not know about Dyne's secret underground base, and that's where he and his crew spend the game after returning home. If the Valuans go back to Pirate Isle and the women tell them the men aren't there, they'll probably just assume that they're hiding out somewhere else. (Which would probably be a smarter option than going back to a place where the enemy already knows your hideout is.)
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** [[GameplayAndStorySegregation Gameplay And Story Segregation.]] Or, it could be the fact that Vyse and co. decide the invading creatures are enough of a problem that the crew opts to just deal with them quickly and directly, instead of risking the potentiality of the creatures boarding the ship's interior and potentially infecting the atmosphere, ruining the equipment, pipes, circuitry, infrastructure, killing off your fellow shipmates, et cetera. I think Vyse is making a distinction between wandering outside onto the deck for no real reason (which is quite dangerous, leaving you needlessly prone to the elements), and heading outside to take care of an immediate threat (threats that tend to be too small and fast to target with the Delphinus' cannons and torpedoes, at that).


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** No idea, actually, kind of an odd scene placement, and stupid on Vyse's part. Maybe it was a decision on the writers' behalf to give the player information about their next destination as quickly as possible. Still, really dumb of them.
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* I understand that Valua knew about the whereabouts of the Green Crystal already, but did no one see the problem in Fina discussing its location when Belleza was standing right there in front of them? It's not like any of them had known that Valua already knew where it was, so shouldn't they have waited until they were back on the Little Jack to plan their next move?
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* How are Vyse and co. able to fight battles inside the Dark Rift and the Maw of Tartas? If you try to go out onto the deck while exploring the bridge, he'll stop you because he says it's too dangerous. But whenever a battle comes up, he and the other crew members are all out there like it's nothing.
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** Excellent question! After all, Enrique was given the Book on Ship Polarity by the Yafutoman royals, and that's the only reason the Delphinus can ascend into Upper Sky or descend into Lower Sky at all. I looked this up on Legends of Arcadia and [[http://s1.zetaboards.com/Legends_of_Arcadia/topic/4846672/1/ saw a theory of sorts]]: "I would wager its from a more natural source than any sort of technology. Such a ship could use lighter than air gasses such as helium or hydrogen as such a thing as floating plants exists in several forms in Arcadia. Using a plant of some sort of to create and store a gas may aid in a ships buoyancy and allow it to go higher without the aid of any technology. And as we have seen, Ixa'takan boats are made from natural materials and would weigh much less than a metal ship so this natural alternative wouldn't be viable to standard ships." [[ForegoneConclusion Or it might just be a plot hole]]. *shrug*

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** Excellent question! After all, Enrique was given the Book on Ship Polarity by the Yafutoman royals, and that's the only reason the Delphinus can ascend into Upper Sky or descend into Lower Sky at all. I looked this up on Legends of Arcadia and [[http://s1.zetaboards.com/Legends_of_Arcadia/topic/4846672/1/ saw a theory of sorts]]: "I would wager its from a more natural source than any sort of technology. Such a ship could use lighter than air gasses such as helium or hydrogen as such a thing as floating plants exists in several forms in Arcadia. Using a plant of some sort of to create and store a gas may aid in a ships buoyancy and allow it to go higher without the aid of any technology. And as we have seen, Ixa'takan boats are made from natural materials and would weigh much less than a metal ship so this natural alternative wouldn't be viable to standard ships." [[ForegoneConclusion [[PlotHole Or it might just be a plot hole]]. hole.]] *shrug*
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** Excellent question! After all, Enrique was given the Book on Ship Polarity by the Yafutoman royals, and that's the only reason the Delphinus can ascend into Upper Sky or descend into Lower Sky at all. I looked this up on Legends of Arcadia and [[http://s1.zetaboards.com/Legends_of_Arcadia/topic/4846672/1/ saw a theory of sorts]]: "I would wager its from a more natural source than any sort of technology. Such a ship could use lighter than air gasses such as helium or hydrogen as such a thing as floating plants exists in several forms in Arcadia. Using a plant of some sort of to create and store a gas may aid in a ships buoyancy and allow it to go higher without the aid of any technology. And as we have seen, Ixa'takan boats are made from natural materials and would weigh much less than a metal ship so this natural alternative wouldn't be viable to standard ships." [[ForegoneConclusion Or it might just be a plot hole]]. *shrug*
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** I think they all speak English for the player's sake. You know, so we can understand what they're saying! But as for a more in-depth answer? Well, it's obvious that Yafutoma are aware that the West exists, given that Jao and Mao call Vyse and his crew "Westerners" along with various Yafutoman citizenry, and Kirala's comments about showing "you Westerners a thing or two that would really amaze you". Plus, Mikado's vizier, Kangan, refers to the Blue Rogues as foreigners when he says: "Foreigners have only brought us disaster; we must cleanse them from our lands immediately!" With that context, we can assume Yafutoma has definitely made contact with other nations before. Remember when Belleza and Vigoro arrived? Enrique reminds Vyse that they're there as Valuan Imperial Representatives at a diplomatic meeting, warning him that launching an ambush would mark them criminals. So clearly Yafutoma has foreign relations / diplomatic measures put in place. All of these context clues mean they've dealt with Westerners before, so it's entirely possible they just picked up the dialect.
** Or, another, alternative theory that I have is that English is simply the universal, go-to language in Arcadia, and the floating continents wound up developing their own, differing languages to give them a sense of autonomy and independence. Language and linguistics evolve as people do, and a nation having its own language solidifies its independent standing as a culture and society.
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* This troper recently came across a hermit from Ixa'Taka who can be found above the clouds near Rixis. Wasn't it said that only the Yafutomans had the technology necessary to go that high?
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* If Yafutoma has been separated from the rest of the world, presumably, since Soltis was sent into Deep Sky, how did they manage to develop their own written language yet still speak in a verbal tongue that Vyse and co. can understand?
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** It's going to take some time after the ending for Valua to be built back up again, and probably even longer for them to start putting together a new Armada. The epilogue mentions that Marco would become its first Admiral, so it probably took at least ten years or so. ''Someone'' has to keep merchants safe from the Black Pirates during that time, especially since the disappearance of sky rifts now means that they're going to be active worldwide. Also, they never mentioned returning stolen goods to their rightful owners - Vyse fully admits
early on that Blue Rogues keep what they capture for themselves, but use the money to help those who might need it.

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** It's going to take some time after the ending for Valua to be built back up again, and probably even longer for them to start putting together a new Armada. The epilogue mentions that Marco would become its first Admiral, so it probably took at least ten years or so. ''Someone'' has to keep merchants safe from the Black Pirates during that time, especially since the disappearance of sky rifts now means that they're going to be active worldwide. Also, they never mentioned returning stolen goods to their rightful owners - Vyse fully admits
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** It's going to take some time after the ending for Valua to be built back up again, and probably even longer for them to start putting together a new Armada. The epilogue mentions that Marco would become its first Admiral, so it probably took at least ten years or so. ''Someone'' has to keep merchants safe from the Black Pirates during that time, especially since the disappearance of sky rifts now means that they're going to be active worldwide. Also, they never mentioned returning stolen goods to their rightful owners - Vyse fully admits
early on that Blue Rogues keep what they capture for themselves, but use the money to help those who might need it.
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** Why don't any of the other characters change clothing, like Enrique, whose princely, matador-esque outfit probably isn't the greatest or most flexible for combat? Cause there was only one default outfit programmed in per character (save for brief, cutscene-exclusive costume changes like Enrique's wedding clothes and Fina's pirate garb towards the end) You can get all kinds of items that are described as clothing (a durable raincoat, Nasrean desert mail, Valuan armor, various robes for Fina, ensorcelled clothing, etc) but even if you equip them on your character, you don't see any changes in their appearance! The only difference is in the stats, really. But if we're looking for a narrative reason? Could just be she likes the clothes.

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** Why don't any of the other characters change clothing, like Enrique, whose princely, matador-esque outfit probably isn't the greatest or most flexible for combat? Cause there was only one default outfit programmed in per character (save for brief, cutscene-exclusive costume changes like Enrique's wedding clothes and Fina's pirate garb towards the end) end). You can get all kinds of items that are described as clothing (a durable raincoat, Nasrean desert mail, Valuan armor, various robes for Fina, ensorcelled clothing, etc) but even if you equip them on your character, you don't see any changes in their appearance! The only difference is in the stats, really. But if we're looking for a narrative reason? Could just be she likes the clothes.
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** Willy! Gilder's lime-green, cigar-wielding, intelligent little parrot. Willy is capable of pretty decent English, given that he responds "very bad!" to Gilder's "how ya doin, Willy?" No doubt he witnessed the absolute massacre of Nasr instigated by Ramirez's forces and was separated by Gilder in the chaos, and likely saw his owner being hauled away after Vyse surrenders. Little guy probably flew all the way to the Claudia (which was probably hanging around Sailor's Island as a rendezvous point, waiting for Gilder to return post-Clara), and informed the crew via squawks like "Gilder taken!" or "boss in trouble!", and the crew just put two and two together from thence (and might have even heard rumors about Nasr and Vyse's crew given how quickly word spreads around Sailor's Island). So they made a rescue plan and gave a dispatch to Willy, who dropped it off in his Master's cell.


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** Why don't any of the other characters change clothing, like Enrique, whose princely, matador-esque outfit probably isn't the greatest or most flexible for combat? Cause there was only one default outfit programmed in per character (save for brief, cutscene-exclusive costume changes like Enrique's wedding clothes and Fina's pirate garb towards the end) You can get all kinds of items that are described as clothing (a durable raincoat, Nasrean desert mail, Valuan armor, various robes for Fina, ensorcelled clothing, etc) but even if you equip them on your character, you don't see any changes in their appearance! The only difference is in the stats, really. But if we're looking for a narrative reason? Could just be she likes the clothes.
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** Pretty simple! You can't do a burial in the skies if you have no way to get into the skies. Vyse's lifeboat was seriously incapacitated when it crash-landed on Crescent Isle, and he only decided to try his hand at repairing the lifeboat's tattered flight mechanics when he'd been marooned for six days (food and water were the more pressing needs at the moment), long after he'd already decided to just give Gonzales a traditional burial. His thought process was: "well, I can't get back into the skies cause my ship's broken... guess I better make do with what I have here", which is completely rational given the circumstances. By the time Gilder's airship arrived to pick up Vyse, there was no need for Vyse to just go digging through Gonzales' impromptu grave and then haul his skeleton on board just to give him an honorific burial in the skies (seeing a bright-faced 17-year-old kid hauling a skeleton on board would have been simultaneously terrifying and hilarious though, lmao).


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** Belleza is an exceptional agent and spy, considering she's the mastermind behind a lot of Valua's behind-the-scenes, espionage missions; she had the main protagonists (and maybe even some players!) fooled from the get-go. She has more than likely only visited Nasr under her Bellena guise, so odds are she befriended the innkeeper as Bellena, and not Belleza. The innkeeper does not seem like one for secret Valuan intrigue! After all, Nasr, the trade capital of the world, has warred constantly with Valua.
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*** DeathOfAThousandCuts, really. Ramirez had his entire fleet, including The Monoceros, firing non-stop on Plergoth for a good amount of time before the Little Jack intervened. Considering that Plergoth was not man-made like the rest of the Gigas (and thus made of meat and bones), it stands to reason that it would be the most vulnerable of the bunch to lots of cannon fire, and not need a super-weapon to put it down.
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* Why didn't Fina ever consider changing her clothes while she was travelling with Vyse and Aika, even if only temporarily? I know she was planning to return to the Great Silver Shrine once her journey was over, but dressing in something more suitable for travel or combat would've done wonders for her, and kept her from standing out so much.
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** As for cutting Fina free when she's tied up, what's she going to do then? Fight her way past whichever Valuan guards are holding her captive by herself and then jump off of a moving airship or train?

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* How was Fina able to be recaptured in the beginning? From what I understand, the men on the island (presumably all of whom were pirates) were captured and taken prisoner while the woman and children took refuge in the secret headquarters underground...Wouldn't Fina have been hidden away with the latter group? How did the Valuans end up finding her, and why didn't they take anyone else?
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* How did Gilder's crew know that Vyse and co. had been captured by the Valuans?
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** Technically, he was only reciting what had been proposed, but not yet proven, by researchers in Valua at that point, since that was before they actually made the discovery.

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