History Headscratchers / SinCity

2nd Feb '16 7:41:16 PM Jakepr26
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***Kevin may have hated Junior, and may have never chosen to aid him. However, this does not explain why he chose to remain on the sidelines while Hartigan attacked the farm. There was no way for him to know who the assailant was or why he was attacking. Junior believed Hartigan was dead after leaving him swinging in a noose from the motel room ceiling fan, so even if he talked to Kevin when he got back to the farm, warning Kevin about Haritgan wouldn't make any sense. The only reasonable explanation is a nostalgic plothole by Frank Miller, who'd created the single frame in the comic book as an easter to his diehards fans to let them know it was the same farm Marv blew up when he killed Kevin in the first book.

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* Hartigan was receiving letters from a Cordelia. Roark wanted Hartigan broken and beaten, so it makes sense he'd allow Hartigan to receive the letters for so long, then stop them. It was a blessing in disguise for Roark. Maybe he knew Cordelia was, and maybe he didn't. That's immaterial. As Junior said in the motel room, Hartigan was going to die knowing Nancy was being raped and shredded by Junior because Hartigan led Junior straight to her. But it was The Yellow Bastard Part II was never about Junior partying with Nancy, it was about Junior getting his revenge on Hartigan for shooting off his hand and pecker, and putting him into a coma. Senior wanted Junior to produce an heir, so he had the appropriate procedures performed to make Junior fertile again, but left his more disfigured than before. Following Hartigan to Nancy, then leaving him to die while Junior took her to have a party was the ultimate revenge for Junior. I'd argue Junior would've done what he did to Nancy to any gal Hartigan showed the slightest amount of interest in.
12th Aug '15 5:50:44 AM FlashSteps
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* What's with the lighting during the scene QT directed, with Jackie Boy's corpse taunting Dwight? It randomly goes from blue, to green, to red, to yellow. Admittedly a motorcycle cop pulls up at one point but his lights are only blue and red and the lighting happens both before and after his bike can be casting light on the interior of the car. Is it symbolism? Dwight's paranoia? What gives?[[/note]]
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* What's with the lighting during the scene QT directed, with Jackie Boy's corpse taunting Dwight? It randomly goes from blue, to green, to red, to yellow. Admittedly a motorcycle cop pulls up at one point but his lights are only blue and red and the lighting happens both before and after his bike can effectively be casting light on the interior of the car. Is it symbolism? Dwight's paranoia? What gives?[[/note]]
12th Aug '15 5:49:59 AM FlashSteps
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Answered one question, posed another.
** AdaptationInducedPlotHole. It's supposed to be sometime between ''That Yellow Bastard'' and ''The Hard Goodbye''. (Presumably right after ''The Long Bad Night'') The problem is that, judging from the framework of the story, Frank Miller forgot the chronology of his own series.[[note]]Which makes sense, considering the fact that the sequel was made almost a decade after the first movie. And that's not even going into the fact that the original novels were written ''in the '90s''.[[/note]]
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** AdaptationInducedPlotHole. It's supposed to be sometime between ''That Yellow Bastard'' and ''The Hard Goodbye''. (Presumably right after ''The Long Bad Night'') The problem is that, judging from the framework of the story, Frank Miller forgot the chronology of his own series.[[note]]Which makes sense, considering the fact that the sequel was made almost a decade after the first movie. And that's not even going into the fact that the original novels were written ''in the '90s''.[[/note]]'90s''. ** Or? Hell, if Dwight can get that level of plastic surgery, and Marv and Hartigan can heal from ''their'' wounds, removing a few facial cuts should be nothing for the doctors in this universe. * What's with the lighting during the scene QT directed, with Jackie Boy's corpse taunting Dwight? It randomly goes from blue, to green, to red, to yellow. Admittedly a motorcycle cop pulls up at one point but his lights are only blue and red and the lighting happens both before and after his bike can be casting light on the interior of the car. Is it symbolism? Dwight's paranoia? What gives?[[/note]]
1st Aug '15 1:26:41 PM TwistedGrimm
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** AdaptationInducedPlotHole. It's supposed to be sometime between ''That Yellow Bastard'' and ''The Hard Goodbye''. (Presumably right after ''The Long Bad Night'') The problem is that, judging from the framework of the story, Frank Miller forgot the chronology of his own series.[[note]]Which makes sense, considering the fact that the sequel was made almost a decade after the first movie. And that's not even going into the fact that the original novels were written ''in the '90s''.[[/note]]
28th Jun '15 9:54:36 PM chardeemacdaily
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**** I guess Junior was too cocky to even come up with something to fall back on in case torture wasn't gonna be useful. Still it would have been ironic if when Junior got shanked, he starts screaming and that made him finally get it up.
29th May '15 1:38:11 PM lorgskyegon
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**** Pills like Viagra work by increasing blood flow. But here's the rub: if you're not sexually aroused in the first place, you still won't get it up. Since Junior can obviously only become aroused if the girl is screaming, he could take all the Viagra in the world and it still wouldn't help if she's quiet.
14th Apr '15 5:21:52 PM VoxTheHero
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* When does Nancy's Last Dance take place in the chronology? Marv is still alive and so it has to be before The Hard Goodbye, but Nancy's face is all scarred up and her hair's all shorn during Last Dance whereas she's as impeccable and perky as ever during Hard Goodbye.
3rd Oct '14 6:34:44 PM ClementJ64
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**** I was under the idea that Senator Roark didn't want to deal with raising another son that could possibly be more fucked up than Junior, who was also an entitled douchebag. Then again, maybe the Senator is only recognizing Junior as his own blood because Junior is just as corrupt as the Senator himself, in which he can mold and shape Junior as the figurehead to continue the Roark legacy. And you know how that turned out. I'm wishing that Miller had made supplementary manuals to clear up some of these questions.
3rd Sep '14 11:26:17 PM maxwellsilver
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*** In the sequel [[spoiler:he even murders his own illegitimate son.]]

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*** The sequel reveals he has several illegitimate sons, but only acknowledged Roark Jr. as his legitimate son.
29th Aug '14 1:44:19 AM Telcontar
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* This may seem dumb but why is it Marv can survive the most extreme injuries? I won't accept Made of Iron as an answer * here's a list of all his injuries in THE HARD GOODBYE.
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* This may seem dumb but why is it Marv can survive the most extreme injuries? I won't accept Made of Iron as an answer answer. ** Well, for one Marv is a pretty big guy, so he probably can take more of a beating than a 'runt' can. *** Two, Marv supposedly has some PTSD issues (and a medal?) he got for being a Nam War Vet (possibly even as a Marine) so he likely has combat experience and knows how to deal with the punishing rigors of battle. **** Three, as someone with a mental illness, he may actually be BlessedWithSuck in the sense that he has PowerBornofMadness. Marv may owe his unfettered strength, indifference to pain and rather intimidating physique to the fact that he is nuts. (Even Marv admits he hallucinates and is worried about his sanity with "medicine") ***** Four, motivation. A combination of the TheDulcineaEffect, BecauseYouWereNicetoMe, PowerofLove and RoaringRampageofRevenge with a bit of SociopathicHero tossed in and you have Marv. TheDeterminator! ****** Five, dumb luck. Lampshaded a bit by Marv that despite the many bullets fired at (and hit) him just after killing the Cardinal, the last target of his RoaringRampageofRevenge, not ONE bullet gets his heart or head. * These are all good reasons but here's a list of all his injuries in THE HARD GOODBYE.

** Come on,be serious.Just because he's bigger then a normal person doesn't mean injuries hurt less.True,being in the military can help him deal with the ''punishing rigors of battle'' But it's pushing it.Even if he's crazy it doesn't mean he can shrug off injuries.Just because you can ignore pain,doesn't mean you're body doesn't respond to it.It doesn't matter that he was on a roaring rampage of revenge to get revenge for someone that was nice to him,motivation can't help you shrug off wounds that would kill a normal person.Even if you get lucky and the bullets don't hit him in any vital organs or arteries,if you get shot as much times as Marv has you still won't be able to deal with the pain and will probably be dead or passed out.The worst part is he just puts tiny band aids on his face and he's ready again.Somebody explain it to me and try to be more clear,maybe with real life examples that are like this.
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** Come on,be serious.on, be serious. Just because he's bigger then a normal person doesn't mean injuries hurt less.True,being less. True, being in the military can help him deal with the ''punishing rigors of battle'' But it's pushing it.it. Even if he's crazy it doesn't mean he can shrug off injuries.injuries. Just because you can ignore pain,doesn't mean you're body doesn't respond to it.it. It doesn't matter that he was on a roaring rampage of revenge to get revenge for someone that was nice to him,motivation him, motivation can't help you shrug off wounds that would kill a normal person.person. Even if you get lucky and the bullets don't hit him in any vital organs or arteries,if arteries, if you get shot as much times as Marv has you still won't be able to deal with the pain and will probably be dead or passed out.out. The worst part is he just puts tiny band aids on his face and he's ready again.Somebody explain it to me and try to be more clear,maybe clear, maybe with real life examples that are like this.this. *** Here's the thing, and I'd recommend you sit down and brace yourself for this because it may blow your mind, but Sin City ''isn't supposed to be very realistic''. This is a series in which surviving multiple gunshots to the vitals, carrying guns that blow limbs off and propel people backwards, entire sections of cities are basically hostilely taken over by prostitutes, and criminal networks hiring elaborate assassins dressed as ''ninjas'' is considered normal. Seriously, you're being needlessly pedantic and finicky over a fictional series being, god forbid, ''unrealistic''. I'm sorry you won't accept MadeOfIron as an answer, because no matter which way you spin it, ''that's the only correct one''.

*** the real answer is bad writing *** Marv is basically a force of a nature, similar to how Miho seems to have supernatural ninja powers.
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*** MadeOfIron isn't even necessary. Marv being the real answer protagonist in an action story is bad writing *** enough to explain why he doesn't die until the story needs him to. * Actually, some of the Real Life MadeOfIron examples make Marv look unimpressive in comparison. * Marv is basically a force of a nature, similar to how Miho seems to have supernatural ninja powers.
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