History Headscratchers / SilentHill4

13th Sep '14 9:04:13 PM Benjamin1986
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** The game doesn't exactly take place in reality at all - Room 302 is almost definitely completely separated from reality, which is apparent enough by the fact that Henry can't get anyone to hear him when he yells out, even when two people are standing just on the other side of his door. This makes the realization that there's more than one Walter a little easier to swallow. Really, all three Walters - or even all four, if you want to get technical and [[spoiler:also count the corpse Henry finds in the back room]] - are the "real" Walter, they're just different parts of him. The [[spoiler:corpse is the physical body of Water which he managed to separate himself from with his suicide,]] which completed the first "stage" of the 21 Sacraments and allowed him to even begin to create a world separated from reality and populated by his own memories and subconscious in the first place. The child version of Walter represents the part of Walter who wants to peacefully reunite with his mother where he will be wanted, safe, and warm - Walter's "innocence" as I've seen it referred to, and perhaps maybe even a symbol of the childhood and the life he was robbed of by the cult (or even by his parents). The older version of Walter, the man in the blue coat, is Walter's spirit - the killing machine brainwashed by the cult into completing the 21 Sacraments, for whom seeing his mother is a goal, but not the ultimate main attraction like it is for younger Walter. As for the horrible final boss thing, you got me. The Crimson Tome calls it Walter's "true body", and I'm sure you could come up with a hundred thousand things it could represent.
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** The game doesn't exactly take place in reality at all - Room 302 is almost definitely completely separated from reality, which is apparent enough by the fact that Henry can't get anyone to hear him when he yells out, even when two people are standing just on the other side of his door. This makes the realization that there's more than one Walter a little easier to swallow. Really, all three Walters - or even all four, if you want to get technical and [[spoiler:also count the corpse Henry finds in the back room]] - are the "real" Walter, they're just different parts of him. The [[spoiler:corpse is the physical body of Water which he managed to separate himself from with his suicide,]] which completed the first "stage" of the 21 Sacraments and allowed him to even begin to create a world separated from reality and populated by his own memories and subconscious in the first place. The child version of Walter represents the part of Walter who wants to peacefully reunite with his mother where he will be wanted, safe, and warm - Walter's "innocence" as I've seen it referred to, and perhaps maybe even a symbol of the childhood and the life he was robbed of by the cult (or even by his parents). The older version of Walter, the man in the blue coat, is Walter's spirit - the killing machine brainwashed by the cult into completing the 21 Sacraments, for whom seeing his mother is a goal, but not the ultimate main attraction like it is for younger Walter. As for the horrible final boss thing, you got me. The the Crimson Tome calls it Walter's "true body", and I'm sure you could come up with a hundred thousand things it could represent.body". That is the immature god that your death will bring forth, just like in Silent Hill 1&3.
10th Sep '14 3:06:40 AM TARINunit9
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** RuleOfPerception, from Walter's point of view. Richard is actually terrible for "Chaos", being a neat freak, but his anger management issues are Chaos enough for Walter. The first ten victims don't even have a theme - the ritual just needs their bleeding hearts - they were just people Walter didn't like very much.
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** RuleOfPerception, RuleOfPerception and LawOfConservationOfDetail, from Walter's point of view. Richard is actually terrible for "Chaos", being a neat freak, but his anger management issues are Chaos enough for Walter. The first ten victims don't even have a theme - the ritual just needs their bleeding hearts - they were just people Walter didn't like very much.
10th Sep '14 3:05:30 AM TARINunit9
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** The easiet explanation is that the writers [[CharacterizationMarchesOn hadn't decided what Walter's role in SH4 would be at the time SH2 was in development.]]
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** The easiet easiest explanation is that the writers [[CharacterizationMarchesOn hadn't decided what Walter's role in SH4 would be at the time SH2 was in development.]] development]]. ** If you're not satisfied with that, you could go for Wild Mass Guesses; Walter fed the police bullshit for an insanity plea, to stay out of death row until he could kill himself ''properly''; the press was given faulty information by police who didn't give a shit; the Order, in bribing the press, trying to discredit a man they see as a heretic.

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** The easiet explanation is that the writers [[CharacterizationMarchesOn hadn't decided what RuleOfPerception, from Walter's role in SH4 would be at point of view. Richard is actually terrible for "Chaos", being a neat freak, but his anger management issues are Chaos enough for Walter. The first ten victims don't even have a theme - the time SH2 was in development.]] ritual just needs their bleeding hearts - they were just people Walter didn't like very much.

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** A heretical sect of The easiet explanation is that the writers [[CharacterizationMarchesOn hadn't decided what Walter's role in SH4 would be at Order believes it's a way to bring about "God". As far as I can tell, they were nearly extinct by the time SH2 was in development.]] of Dahlia's management, subsumed into the ranks of Dahlia's and Kaufman's goons. As for what the ritual does... well, it seems to make a nice portal for Samael/"God" to come through and start fucking with people. If not a full-blown apocalypse, he'll at least have a second town to use as his stomping grounds.
4th Sep '14 4:56:48 PM DeathMessenger
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4th Sep '14 4:56:28 PM DeathMessenger
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[[folder: 21 Sacraments Mysteries]] * I have a somewhat pointless question: why/how Walter chose each specific victim? Some do have a connection with him and/or the Order, but the others just seem at random. I get Richard, Eileen, Cynthia, Andrew, Joseph and Henry, as well as the ones that were connected to the Order, but others don't have much motivation behind them. Is there a specific requirement by each sacrifice for the ritual? TheOtherWiki doesn't have any answers either. * Also, what is the end goal of the ritual, and the meaning behind the 21 Sacraments' ending? Adult!Walter doesn't seem very happy, and the radio news implies shit hit the fan somehow.
14th Feb '13 6:29:44 PM ioriscrub
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** The easiet explanation is that the writers [[CharacterizationMarchesOn hadn't decided what Walter's role in SH4 would be at the time SH2 was in development.]]
2nd Jun '12 12:18:36 PM Sweekun
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2nd Jun '12 12:18:15 PM Sweekun
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just wondering.
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[[folder:"I did it, but it wasn't me!"]] *In a note that you find in Silent Hill 2 about Walter, it reads thusly: 'But I do remember that just before they arrested him he was blurting out all sorts of strange stuff like 'He's trying to kill me. He's trying to punish me. The monster... the red devil. Forgive me. I did it, but it wasn't me!''. So, assuming that the man they arrested was indeed Walter Sullivan, what does that say about Walter's murders?
21st Sep '11 5:56:26 PM rtan
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**** Henry has been trapped in his room for five full days before the game starts, so it is to be assumed that he has already tried obvious solutions like the window and failed.
12th Jul '11 10:39:21 AM Luigifan
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*** The point was, Henry was never shown checking. Joseph checked the windows ("still locked"), and you know that, but ''Henry'' doesn't know that. There's no reason for him to assume the mysterious writer was telling the truth- that it would be impossible to shove the pipe through the hole in the wall and, if not make it bigger, at least attract some attention.
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*** The point was, Henry was never shown checking. Joseph checked the windows ("still locked"), and you know that, but ''Henry'' doesn't know that. There's no reason for him to assume the mysterious writer was telling the truth- truth -- that it would be impossible to shove the pipe through the hole in the wall and, if not make it bigger, at least attract some attention.

***** At one point the Superintendent pushes a note under Henry's door, instead of the note it came out as a bloody, smudged piece of paper (a alternate reality version of the note?). It's likely if he tried to push it through the peephole it would have either just disappeared or come out as a empty or smudged piece of paper.
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***** At one point point, the Superintendent pushes a note under Henry's door, door; instead of the note note, it came out as a bloody, smudged piece of paper (a alternate reality version of the note?). It's likely if he tried to push it through the peephole peephole, it would have either just disappeared or come out as a empty or smudged piece of paper.

* Why are there three different versions of Walter- the adult version, the boy version, and what I've always presumed to be the "true" Walter, the monster that is the final boss, and why are they so different?
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* Why are there three different versions of Walter- Walter -- the adult version, the boy version, and what I've always presumed to be the "true" Walter, the monster that is the final boss, and why are they so different?
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