History Headscratchers / ScottPilgrim

29th May '16 6:26:01 AM SirSapphire
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** Wait a second, "Ramona had never had a person who sincerely cared for her" is absolute bullshit. Barring Gideon her exes turned to evil largely because ''she'' treated ''them'' badly, cheated on them, and never really cared for ''their'' feelings.
9th Mar '16 6:00:36 PM DVB
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* Another question is that is Stephen bisexual or was he just in the closet?


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** Some have actually considered Gideon's handsigns to summon the Pixel Katana to be a reference to putting ''cheat codes.'' Gideon pretty much buffed himself to a ridiculously high amount (the Katana giving four attributes '''x7'''.)
7th Jan '16 6:10:01 AM SirSapphire
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*** It also fell into the mess left when Ramona's bag exploded. No one wanted to dig through the garbage to collect the money.
27th Nov '15 7:55:20 PM nombretomado
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** Perhaps this is the purpose of the SavePoint we saw once; people can't die in the ''ScottPilgrim'' World, but they get a game over and restart far away from where they lost. Alternatively, they don't matter because they're just [=NPCs=], and Scott's the only one who is real. And he's not afraid of death because he can respawn, too. Or maybe the fights to the death are perfectly legal in this 'verse, because the League of Evil Ex-Boyfriends is a registered union.

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** Perhaps this is the purpose of the SavePoint we saw once; people can't die in the ''ScottPilgrim'' ''ComicBook/ScottPilgrim'' World, but they get a game over and restart far away from where they lost. Alternatively, they don't matter because they're just [=NPCs=], and Scott's the only one who is real. And he's not afraid of death because he can respawn, too. Or maybe the fights to the death are perfectly legal in this 'verse, because the League of Evil Ex-Boyfriends is a registered union.
11th Nov '15 5:00:19 PM nombretomado
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* Why hasn't anyone arrested Scott for running around murdering people? Why is nobody freaked out that the local guy is killing the ex-boyfriends of his girlfriend and are treating it like some sort of minor inconvenience? It's NightmareFuel if you think about it. Furthermore, since the world is based partially on videogames and RiverCityRansom, why doesn't anyone ever respawn or have extra lives or do they respawn offscreen and just decide to avoid Scott and Ramona from now on?

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* Why hasn't anyone arrested Scott for running around murdering people? Why is nobody freaked out that the local guy is killing the ex-boyfriends of his girlfriend and are treating it like some sort of minor inconvenience? It's NightmareFuel if you think about it. Furthermore, since the world is based partially on videogames and RiverCityRansom, VideoGame/RiverCityRansom, why doesn't anyone ever respawn or have extra lives or do they respawn offscreen and just decide to avoid Scott and Ramona from now on?



** RiverCityRansom, which provided most of the Scott Pilgrim world's mechanics, didn't actually ''have'' a GameOver screen. If you died, you respawned at the last mall you visited, but with half your money gone. The enemies did the same thing, though. Whenever you left their screen and came back, they'd be back again.

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** RiverCityRansom, VideoGame/RiverCityRansom, which provided most of the Scott Pilgrim world's mechanics, didn't actually ''have'' a GameOver screen. If you died, you respawned at the last mall you visited, but with half your money gone. The enemies did the same thing, though. Whenever you left their screen and came back, they'd be back again.
4th Nov '15 9:30:59 AM MegaMarioMan
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** Simple: the Scott Pilgrim world acts like a video game, right? Well, it must be a video game where it doesn't matter if you murder people. Problem solved.



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18th Oct '15 6:08:46 PM DVB
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*** Considering Wallace has a full-time job in some white-collar profession, he probably did graduate. As for Scott and Stephen, maybe it's because of their majors. Though with Scott, some of his time after Envy dumped was a blut.



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30th Mar '15 5:53:54 PM Discar
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*** The idea of the evil exes being on Stacey's mailing list is far funnier to me than it should be.

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*** ** The idea of the evil exes being on Stacey's mailing list is far funnier to me than it should be.be.

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*** The film at least gives evidence to the respawning theory. When fighting Roxy, Ramona tells Scott her weakness is the back of her knees, and he just taps them. Roxy instantly starts convulsing in pleasure ([[RuleOfFunny cuz it's funny]]) and then bursts into coins. Scott just barely touched her weakness, and its implied that Ramona paid special attention to that area "when [they] were making out" and if one tap caused her to burst into coins one can assume Ramona would get similar results from whatever they were doing. Since Roxy is still alive post being dumped, one can assume all the evil exes can indeed respawn. As to why they don't bother any main characters after that, theres probably some unspoken League rule that says if they lose they have to leave Scott and Ramona alone from now on... Or they'll be around for a sequel.
**** In the movie, Roxie mentioned that she can only be defeated by Scott thanks to League rules. Since Ramona had delivered a pretty sound beatdown earlier, the [[ForMassiveDamage back-of-knee-poke]] was probably CherryTapping.
***** WordOfGod from the author's [[http://radiomaru.tumblr.com/post/31297224981/if-no-one-dies-in-the-sp-series-what-the-baloney tumblr]] states that the evil exes "respawn in their homes, having learned their lesson."
*** No - Gideon was Ramona's last boyfriend, and he formed the league after she dumped him. Between the league forming and Ramona meeting Scott, it seems there hasn't been anyone else.

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*** ** The film at least gives evidence to the respawning theory. When fighting Roxy, Ramona tells Scott her weakness is the back of her knees, and he just taps them. Roxy instantly starts convulsing in pleasure ([[RuleOfFunny cuz it's funny]]) and then bursts into coins. Scott just barely touched her weakness, and its implied that Ramona paid special attention to that area "when [they] were making out" and if one tap caused her to burst into coins one can assume Ramona would get similar results from whatever they were doing. Since Roxy is still alive post being dumped, one can assume all the evil exes can indeed respawn. As to why they don't bother any main characters after that, theres probably some unspoken League rule that says if they lose they have to leave Scott and Ramona alone from now on... Or they'll be around for a sequel.
**** ** In the movie, Roxie mentioned that she can only be defeated by Scott thanks to League rules. Since Ramona had delivered a pretty sound beatdown earlier, the [[ForMassiveDamage back-of-knee-poke]] was probably CherryTapping.
***** ** WordOfGod from the author's [[http://radiomaru.tumblr.com/post/31297224981/if-no-one-dies-in-the-sp-series-what-the-baloney tumblr]] states that the evil exes "respawn in their homes, having learned their lesson."
*** ** No - Gideon was Ramona's last boyfriend, and he formed the league after she dumped him. Between the league forming and Ramona meeting Scott, it seems there hasn't been anyone else.



*** Perhaps this heavily-influenced-by-comics-and-games version of Toronto takes a form of Quantum Immortality into account? Think of this scenario: you kill someone, they turn into coins, and as far as you're concerned they remain dead. To them, they get a Game Over and either restart the game anew or continue from an earlier Save or Checkpoint. They can come back and kill you (or be killed by you, of course) - if they win then you will remain dead. However you shall never know this, because from your perception they are the deceased, and you two carry on in your lives within your own separately saved games.
*** RiverCityRansom, which provided most of the Scott Pilgrim world's mechanics, didn't actually ''have'' a GameOver screen. If you died, you respawned at the last mall you visited, but with half your money gone. The enemies did the same thing, though. Whenever you left their screen and came back, they'd be back again.

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*** ** Perhaps this heavily-influenced-by-comics-and-games version of Toronto takes a form of Quantum Immortality into account? Think of this scenario: you kill someone, they turn into coins, and as far as you're concerned they remain dead. To them, they get a Game Over and either restart the game anew or continue from an earlier Save or Checkpoint. They can come back and kill you (or be killed by you, of course) - if they win then you will remain dead. However you shall never know this, because from your perception they are the deceased, and you two carry on in your lives within your own separately saved games.
*** ** RiverCityRansom, which provided most of the Scott Pilgrim world's mechanics, didn't actually ''have'' a GameOver screen. If you died, you respawned at the last mall you visited, but with half your money gone. The enemies did the same thing, though. Whenever you left their screen and came back, they'd be back again.



*** At least some of them would count as murder. When he headbutts Todd so hard the man bursts, the situation lacks the immediacy necessary to count as self-defense. Patel gets steamrollered so much that it'd be difficult to prove he has the ability to seriously damage Scott (necessary to show legal self-defense), although Canadian caselaw on whether fireballs count as deadly weapons is not exactly complete. Enemies respawning once you leave the screen is thematically appropriate for the setting, so it's a good justification even if there's no evidence. On the downside, that means Gideon's still wandering around, although losing seven million (Canadian) dollars might be enough punishment.
**** This would explain the film crew being so blase about the death-by-skateboard-explosion of their big star, too.
**** That and only fight that could even begin to count as murder is Mathew Patel (Because he was a complete twit who didn't know what he was getting into and got the HP thoroughly beaten out of him). Lucas was death by misadventure (Not directly caused by Scott), Todd was self defence even if the Vegan Police stripped him of his power, Roxy had a sword so you can't call the No Self Defence rule there (You can't go to jail for being a pussy), the twins had kidnapped someone with intent to murder who came after them so that's a shaky one and finally Gideon himself outright [[spoiler:killed Scott]] so that one would count as self defence.
***** Todd's death was outright murder. Self defence doesn't really fly, as Todd had just been rendered helpless. Scott actively went for the kill on the helpless Todd. It could have been justified if Todd was actually a danger, but at this point, he wasn't.

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*** ** At least some of them would count as murder. When he headbutts Todd so hard the man bursts, the situation lacks the immediacy necessary to count as self-defense. Patel gets steamrollered so much that it'd be difficult to prove he has the ability to seriously damage Scott (necessary to show legal self-defense), although Canadian caselaw on whether fireballs count as deadly weapons is not exactly complete. Enemies respawning once you leave the screen is thematically appropriate for the setting, so it's a good justification even if there's no evidence. On the downside, that means Gideon's still wandering around, although losing seven million (Canadian) dollars might be enough punishment.
**** ** This would explain the film crew being so blase about the death-by-skateboard-explosion of their big star, too.
**** ** That and only fight that could even begin to count as murder is Mathew Patel (Because he was a complete twit who didn't know what he was getting into and got the HP thoroughly beaten out of him). Lucas was death by misadventure (Not directly caused by Scott), Todd was self defence even if the Vegan Police stripped him of his power, Roxy had a sword so you can't call the No Self Defence rule there (You can't go to jail for being a pussy), the twins had kidnapped someone with intent to murder who came after them so that's a shaky one and finally Gideon himself outright [[spoiler:killed Scott]] so that one would count as self defence.
***** ** Todd's death was outright murder. Self defence doesn't really fly, as Todd had just been rendered helpless. Scott actively went for the kill on the helpless Todd. It could have been justified if Todd was actually a danger, but at this point, he wasn't.



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*** do not mock those of us with Liberal Arts Degree's, there's a reason why we become teachers and college professors.

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*** ** do not mock those of us with Liberal Arts Degree's, there's a reason why we become teachers and college professors.



*** Scott explicitly states that he "remembers graduating", so it's safe to assume that Scott and Stephen graduated (jury's out on Envy and Wallace). But, as a college graduate with an entry-level full-time job, I can say that it's not even slightly strange that they have shitty jobs.

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*** ** Scott explicitly states that he "remembers graduating", so it's safe to assume that Scott and Stephen graduated (jury's out on Envy and Wallace). But, as a college graduate with an entry-level full-time job, I can say that it's not even slightly strange that they have shitty jobs.
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*** And? Birthdays are supposed to be about the person whose birthday it is and thus ''their'' friends are invited no matter how close they are to the rest of the guests. It might be different if the Wallace and Scott's other friends hated each other but they didn't.
*** Or he was busy working
*** The guy let Scott live in his place and eat his food for far longer than Stephen or Kim ever did. It was probably because he didn't have time to go to the party.

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*** ** And? Birthdays are supposed to be about the person whose birthday it is and thus ''their'' friends are invited no matter how close they are to the rest of the guests. It might be different if the Wallace and Scott's other friends hated each other but they didn't.
*** ** Or he was busy working
*** ** The guy let Scott live in his place and eat his food for far longer than Stephen or Kim ever did. It was probably because he didn't have time to go to the party.
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*** Actually I think it poofed out of existence when Scott said he didn't pick up the skateboard proficiency in grade 5.
*** That's exactly what happened, and the skill he learned in place of "skateboard proficiency" is an excellent case of Chekov's Gun.
**** I presume that skill is his "longsword proficiency", he was talking about when he got the "power of love" in volume 4(http://scott-pilgrim.com/comics/SP_Series/04/179 ).

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*** ** Actually I think it poofed out of existence when Scott said he didn't pick up the skateboard proficiency in grade 5.
*** ** That's exactly what happened, and the skill he learned in place of "skateboard proficiency" is an excellent case of Chekov's Gun.
**** ** I presume that skill is his "longsword proficiency", he was talking about when he got the "power of love" in volume 4(http://scott-pilgrim.com/comics/SP_Series/04/179 ).
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*** I still don't understand it. [[spoiler:He explicitly mentions that whatever the heck he's doing traps people in their own heads. So how does this tie into dream-jumping? What does this mean for the books' story as perceived by the reader (or, simply, how much of the events of the books are real in-universe?)]] It's never really given any antiquate explanation--and I'm not asking for real-world logic (that would be impossible), just something less cryptic and an accurate descriptor of what was done. "[[spoiler:Trapping people in their heads]]" and "[[spoiler:using subspace to her advantage]]" doesn't tell us anything, it's just confusing.
**** [[spoiler: Reading Volume 4, this started to make a bit of sense about dream-jumping. When Scott first attempted to go through subspace himself, Scott was going through minds which in his case ran into Ramona during her vulnerable moment of being angry with Scott and remembering her days Gideon. Gideon, being inside her mind uses this opportunity to attempt and trap Scott within his own mind namely triggering his worst side of himself: Negascott. Remember he just nearly became an evil exe when he nearly had sex with Lisa, but that incident was good enough for Gideon to play around with.]]. I will try and decipher the "Subspace use by Ramona later"
**** My interpretation is this. Subspace is a way of teleporting by traveling through a world made of people's dreams and subconscious. Ramona has tied her personal subspace into her bag so she can have a bag of holding. (We've seen this is part of regular subspace as well, as Scott ended up there once by accident). The handbag isn't so much part of her soul as it was the most convenient subspace door to reach her mind (since that's where it opens up and it was the closest physically to Scott). Gideon's glow attack traps people in their own heads, not literally, but forcing them to deal with their own darkness. But Ramona's darkness is running away from her problems. Because Ramona can travel subspace (which is part of your head) and because her darkness is running away, she was able to use the glow to instantly travel to subspace which is how she disappears in a bright light.

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*** ** I still don't understand it. [[spoiler:He explicitly mentions that whatever the heck he's doing traps people in their own heads. So how does this tie into dream-jumping? What does this mean for the books' story as perceived by the reader (or, simply, how much of the events of the books are real in-universe?)]] It's never really given any antiquate explanation--and I'm not asking for real-world logic (that would be impossible), just something less cryptic and an accurate descriptor of what was done. "[[spoiler:Trapping people in their heads]]" and "[[spoiler:using subspace to her advantage]]" doesn't tell us anything, it's just confusing.
**** ** [[spoiler: Reading Volume 4, this started to make a bit of sense about dream-jumping. When Scott first attempted to go through subspace himself, Scott was going through minds which in his case ran into Ramona during her vulnerable moment of being angry with Scott and remembering her days Gideon. Gideon, being inside her mind uses this opportunity to attempt and trap Scott within his own mind namely triggering his worst side of himself: Negascott. Remember he just nearly became an evil exe when he nearly had sex with Lisa, but that incident was good enough for Gideon to play around with.]]. I will try and decipher the "Subspace use by Ramona later"
**** ** My interpretation is this. Subspace is a way of teleporting by traveling through a world made of people's dreams and subconscious. Ramona has tied her personal subspace into her bag so she can have a bag of holding. (We've seen this is part of regular subspace as well, as Scott ended up there once by accident). The handbag isn't so much part of her soul as it was the most convenient subspace door to reach her mind (since that's where it opens up and it was the closest physically to Scott). Gideon's glow attack traps people in their own heads, not literally, but forcing them to deal with their own darkness. But Ramona's darkness is running away from her problems. Because Ramona can travel subspace (which is part of your head) and because her darkness is running away, she was able to use the glow to instantly travel to subspace which is how she disappears in a bright light.light.

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*** There was no mention. The OP is wondering about whether Scott actually had sex with Kim & Envy because Gideon specifically mentioned that he'd screwed with Scott's memories which has cast Scott's entire backstory into doubt with some people.

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*** ** There was no mention. The OP is wondering about whether Scott actually had sex with Kim & Envy because Gideon specifically mentioned that he'd screwed with Scott's memories which has cast Scott's entire backstory into doubt with some people.
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*** Really? In the movie they only ever say Scott has to defeat the evil exes, not kill them. Todd was pretty much defeated.
**** It was specified in the email Patel sent out, in the cinematographic version of PunctuatedForEmphasis in fact: the camera focused on "duel" then cut to "to" "the" "death" in sequence.
***** Maybe Pattel just wanted a duel to the death, he's a pretty flamboyant guy. He could have added that part.
*** The only time "defeat" is used is when Ramona is talking to Scott, and it's to correct him when he says he has to "fight" them. But yes, the initial e-mail specifies it's to the death.
*** Scott DID say he would pay for his crimes against humanity. Crime of passion? Reclaiming his manhood after Todd beat him in the Bass Battle? Perhaps he was Genre Savvy enough to know that if he left Todd, Todd would've come back with a vengeance. Plus, Todd was a pretty big dude, chances are he could still beat up Scott. Though that's going by the movie.

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*** ** Really? In the movie they only ever say Scott has to defeat the evil exes, not kill them. Todd was pretty much defeated.
**** ** It was specified in the email Patel sent out, in the cinematographic version of PunctuatedForEmphasis in fact: the camera focused on "duel" then cut to "to" "the" "death" in sequence.
***** ** Maybe Pattel just wanted a duel to the death, he's a pretty flamboyant guy. He could have added that part.
*** ** The only time "defeat" is used is when Ramona is talking to Scott, and it's to correct him when he says he has to "fight" them. But yes, the initial e-mail specifies it's to the death.
*** ** Scott DID say he would pay for his crimes against humanity. Crime of passion? Reclaiming his manhood after Todd beat him in the Bass Battle? Perhaps he was Genre Savvy enough to know that if he left Todd, Todd would've come back with a vengeance. Plus, Todd was a pretty big dude, chances are he could still beat up Scott. Though that's going by the movie.



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*** The movie, when he breaks up with her, just before that she invites him to her birthday dinner within a week. It's possible the rest of the movie occurred between this scene and her Birthday, I suppose.
*** Also, if she was eighteen by the time of the second round of the TIBB, the use of Broken Social Scene's "Anthems for a Seventeen Year Old Girl" wouldn't have made any sense...
**** The last time she's referred to as "17 Years Old" is on-screen immediately after Stills' "we need stalkers!" comment, and before dying her hair. If we really want to analyse this and are determined it must have happened before the film's end (I personally don't remember the "next week" part of the invitation to the dinner), it's entirely possible her birthday took place between the hair-dying scene and the Clash at Demonhead concert (which was a few days of time), or between the Roxy fight and the Katayanagi fight (which was also probably a few days), since it's strongly implied the Katayanagi fight and the Gideon fight were actually the same night (Scott gets home after moping and talking to Stacy, and Wallace hears about the break-up for the first time. The Gideon fight is immediately after). Since it's never explicitly stated when her birthday is, I assume that ''if'' it was the filmmakers' intention she had a birthday before the Katayanagi fight, they figured nobody would be keeping track and they could still play an awesome Broken Social Scene song.
*** Read the book sometime! [[spoiler: In the last book Knives tells Scott she turned 17 the day they met, so the birthday she invites Scott to would be her 17th.]] Personally, my family constantly has parties on weekends if the actual birth-date is in the middle of the week, for example.

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*** ** The movie, when he breaks up with her, just before that she invites him to her birthday dinner within a week. It's possible the rest of the movie occurred between this scene and her Birthday, I suppose.
*** ** Also, if she was eighteen by the time of the second round of the TIBB, the use of Broken Social Scene's "Anthems for a Seventeen Year Old Girl" wouldn't have made any sense...
**** ** The last time she's referred to as "17 Years Old" is on-screen immediately after Stills' "we need stalkers!" comment, and before dying her hair. If we really want to analyse this and are determined it must have happened before the film's end (I personally don't remember the "next week" part of the invitation to the dinner), it's entirely possible her birthday took place between the hair-dying scene and the Clash at Demonhead concert (which was a few days of time), or between the Roxy fight and the Katayanagi fight (which was also probably a few days), since it's strongly implied the Katayanagi fight and the Gideon fight were actually the same night (Scott gets home after moping and talking to Stacy, and Wallace hears about the break-up for the first time. The Gideon fight is immediately after). Since it's never explicitly stated when her birthday is, I assume that ''if'' it was the filmmakers' intention she had a birthday before the Katayanagi fight, they figured nobody would be keeping track and they could still play an awesome Broken Social Scene song.
*** ** Read the book sometime! [[spoiler: In the last book Knives tells Scott she turned 17 the day they met, so the birthday she invites Scott to would be her 17th.]] Personally, my family constantly has parties on weekends if the actual birth-date is in the middle of the week, for example.
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[[folder:Would not hit a girl]]



** I didnt expect him to be that stupid.
*** Even with the vague threat that Roxy would ''kill'' Scott (which she hadn't proven she'd do by that point - hey, she had even let him out of that first fight they had because he wasn't in the mood. What a cool girl!), Scott, at least in that moment, seemed like a "if I leave this problem alone, maybe it'll go away" kind of guy.

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** I didnt didn't expect him to be that stupid.
*** ** Even with the vague threat that Roxy would ''kill'' Scott (which she hadn't proven she'd do by that point - hey, she had even let him out of that first fight they had because he wasn't in the mood. What a cool girl!), Scott, at least in that moment, seemed like a "if I leave this problem alone, maybe it'll go away" kind of guy.




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*** Scott is the best fighter in the province for the same reason that a [[SuperMarioBros a short, portly plumber can be a brilliant acrobat]].
*** The Free Comic Book Day comic shows that Scott obsessively selects his food for the powerups.

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*** ** Scott is the best fighter in the province for the same reason that a [[SuperMarioBros a short, portly plumber can be a brilliant acrobat]].
*** ** The Free Comic Book Day comic shows that Scott obsessively selects his food for the powerups.powerups.

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[[folder:Vegan police]]



*** Maybe they had to track him down?

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*** ** Maybe they had to track him down?
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[[folder:Todd and the exes]]



*** I don't think he was forced, he was by far the strongest evil ex of them all, he could beat all of them with his hands tied behind his back

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*** ** I don't think he was forced, he was by far the strongest evil ex of them all, he could beat all of them with his hands tied behind his back



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*** And now WordOfGod [[http://radiomaru.tumblr.com/post/44671367966/whats-ramonas-natural-hair-colour-blond-brown claims it's probably medium-to-dark brown.]]

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*** ** And now WordOfGod [[http://radiomaru.tumblr.com/post/44671367966/whats-ramonas-natural-hair-colour-blond-brown claims it's probably medium-to-dark brown.]]]]

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[[folder:Scott's age]]



*** And Stacy was changed (in post-production, according to Anna Kendrick) to 18 years old. My assumption is that Scott's was changed to get the age a little closer to Cera's, since Cera still did look a bit young on-screen, but 22 is still old enough for him to have already graduated from U of T. And it's arguable, but a 22 year old would naturally be slightly more immature than a 23 year old, and maybe that's an implication Wright meant to make. By the same idea, making Stacy a year younger preserves the 4 year gap between their age, and thus preserves the "she's 4 years younger but much more mature than him" dynamic. Making her younger would risk making her too cartoonishly WiseBeyondHerYears (and increase the DawsonCasting vibe), but making her older would rob a bit of the irony in her being more emotionally mature than him.

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*** ** And Stacy was changed (in post-production, according to Anna Kendrick) to 18 years old. My assumption is that Scott's was changed to get the age a little closer to Cera's, since Cera still did look a bit young on-screen, but 22 is still old enough for him to have already graduated from U of T. And it's arguable, but a 22 year old would naturally be slightly more immature than a 23 year old, and maybe that's an implication Wright meant to make. By the same idea, making Stacy a year younger preserves the 4 year gap between their age, and thus preserves the "she's 4 years younger but much more mature than him" dynamic. Making her younger would risk making her too cartoonishly WiseBeyondHerYears (and increase the DawsonCasting vibe), but making her older would rob a bit of the irony in her being more emotionally mature than him.



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[[folder:Mook power levels]]



** In most video games, harder, late game enemies ALWAYS drop more than earlier stuff, regardless of how OP you are. I guess Gideon's mobs are so much bigger than anything else he's fought. If I were the final boss, i'd surround myself with mooks at least as tough as the most recently defeated boss.

* How come the only photos of Gideon Wallace could find were blurry and unrecognizable (forgot which volume) but in the last volume we see his face clearly on the cover of a magazine labled as a millionare? I know Wallace is kinda useless but c'mon, even he could've just went to Google or something. Did Gideon just get famous right before volume 6 or do we just call {{Fridge Logic}}?

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** In most video games, harder, late game enemies ALWAYS drop more than earlier stuff, regardless of how OP you are. I guess Gideon's mobs are so much bigger than anything else he's fought. If I were the final boss, i'd I'd surround myself with mooks at least as tough as the most recently defeated boss.

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[[folder:Photos of Gideon]]

* How come the only photos of Gideon Wallace could find were blurry and unrecognizable (forgot which volume) but in the last volume we see his face clearly on the cover of a magazine labled labeled as a millionare? millionaire? I know Wallace is kinda useless but c'mon, even he could've just went to Google or something. Did Gideon just get famous right before volume 6 or do we just call {{Fridge Logic}}?



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[[folder:Breaking the swords]]



*** Fireballs and Demon Hipster Chicks fail against being a BadassNormal
*** Lucas Lee is obviously cooler than Scott, but Scott is (marginally) smarter than him and thus being able to outsmart him is pretty cool
*** The same with Todd
*** Roxy is weakened by her fight with the cooler-by-virtue-of-being-less-psycho Ramona, weakened further by the awesome co-op mode of Scott and Ramona and finally defeated via CherryTapping
*** ThePowerOfRock will always defeat douchey electronic-pop
*** ThePowerOfLove is cool, but Gideon exploited Scott's mistake of turning his back on him, thus killing him. The Power of Self-Respect is ''really'' cool, but the Digitana is just way cooler, with Gideon only being defeated with the SoCoolItsAwesome tag-team battle with Knives.

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*** Fireballs ###Fireballs and Demon Hipster Chicks fail against being a BadassNormal
*** Lucas ###Lucas Lee is obviously cooler than Scott, but Scott is (marginally) smarter than him and thus being able to outsmart him is pretty cool
*** The ###The same with Todd
*** Roxy ###Roxy is weakened by her fight with the cooler-by-virtue-of-being-less-psycho Ramona, weakened further by the awesome co-op mode of Scott and Ramona and finally defeated via CherryTapping
*** ThePowerOfRock ###ThePowerOfRock will always defeat douchey electronic-pop
*** ThePowerOfLove ###ThePowerOfLove is cool, but Gideon exploited Scott's mistake of turning his back on him, thus killing him. The Power of Self-Respect is ''really'' cool, but the Digitana is just way cooler, with Gideon only being defeated with the SoCoolItsAwesome tag-team battle with Knives.Knives.

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*** Scott is a FagHag, he just happens to have a penis. From his reaction to Stephen and Joseph in the last book, I get the feeling he gets some voyeuristic thrill out of seeing two men together while not actually wanting to participate in it himself (in the same way people enjoy action movies without wanting to go on killing sprees). It is sort of a weirdly specific fetish-type thing, but Scott is pretty weird.

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*** ** Scott is a FagHag, he just happens to have a penis. From his reaction to Stephen and Joseph in the last book, I get the feeling he gets some voyeuristic thrill out of seeing two men together while not actually wanting to participate in it himself (in the same way people enjoy action movies without wanting to go on killing sprees). It is sort of a weirdly specific fetish-type thing, but Scott is pretty weird.weird.

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*** ...Perhaps what? I'm sorry, I'm just kind of baffled on the whole thing, you'll have to spell it out for me. I know about the ninja game, just not sure how it corresponds to the ending thematically.
**** ...Perhaps it's a BittersweetEnding. Didn't you see the PotHole? Gosh. I mean that maybe it means his choosing Ramona wasn't the right way to end his game.

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*** ...** ...Perhaps what? I'm sorry, I'm just kind of baffled on the whole thing, you'll have to spell it out for me. I know about the ninja game, just not sure how it corresponds to the ending thematically.
**** ...** ...Perhaps it's a BittersweetEnding. Didn't you see the PotHole? Gosh. I mean that maybe it means his choosing Ramona wasn't the right way to end his game.



*** Aw, man. All I got in my pocket is some dang ol' Chuck E. Cheese tokens.

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*** ** Aw, man. All I got in my pocket is some dang ol' Chuck E. Cheese tokens.



*** Or perhaps is a throwback on how arcade games will always play the exact same stages, with the exact same events and the only thing changing would be your reactions to them.

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*** ** Or perhaps is a throwback on how arcade games will always play the exact same stages, with the exact same events and the only thing changing would be your reactions to them.
them.

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*** Very arguable. If Scott had gotten back together with Knives, then we'd essentially leave the characters in the same place they started. Scott would still be dating a high-schooler, Ramona would still be running away from her past, etc. etc.


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*** ** Very arguable. If Scott had gotten back together with Knives, then we'd essentially leave the characters in the same place they started. Scott would still be dating a high-schooler, Ramona would still be running away from her past, etc. etc.

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*** Well, my brother's American friend is attending university here in residence and asked if he could show him all the places from the books and movie, so who knows.

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*** ** Well, my brother's American friend is attending university here in residence and asked if he could show him all the places from the books and movie, so who knows.
knows.

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*** There is no Power of Self-Respect in the game. Scott only has the one sword and only for the Gigadeon fight.

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*** ** There is no Power of Self-Respect in the game. Scott only has the one sword and only for the Gigadeon fight.
fight.

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* Why is Todd Ingram's [[FanDisservice "little boy"]] [[FreezeFrameBonus visible]] during his Tetsuo-ripoff attack in the video game?
** [[http://scottpilgrim.wikia.com/wiki/File:Toddingram_freakout_a-1-.gif it's not?]]
*** If you really, really look into it, the final flashing frames almost look like Todd is sporting an hard-on in his pants.

* I apologize if this was already covered in the previous entries above. Ramona tells Scott about her seven evil ex's after his fight with Mathew. When Roxy shows up, she's surprised because she didn't think Roxy would count on the grounds that it was just a phase. Does that mean there's one more evil ex out there that Gideon couldn't get in contact with?
** Yeah, Doug. In the comics at least. Although he wasn't outright evil, just a bit of a dick.

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* Why is Todd Ingram's [[FanDisservice "little boy"]] [[FreezeFrameBonus visible]] during his Tetsuo-ripoff attack in the video game?
** [[http://scottpilgrim.wikia.com/wiki/File:Toddingram_freakout_a-1-.gif it's not?]]
*** If you really, really look into it, the final flashing frames almost look like Todd is sporting an hard-on in his pants.

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* I apologize if this was already covered in the previous entries above. Ramona tells Scott about her seven evil ex's after his fight with Mathew.Matthew. When Roxy shows up, she's surprised because she didn't think Roxy would count on the grounds that it was just a phase. Does that mean there's one more evil ex out there that Gideon couldn't get in contact with?
** Yeah, Doug. In the comics at least. Although he wasn't outright evil, just a bit of a dick.dick.

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[[folder:Collecting coins]]

* Scott has the chance to collect the coins left by the dead exes. While he actually does bother with it at one point, neither Scott nor any of the other characters bother to collect ''any'' of the ''seven-figure digits''' worth of cash left by [[spoiler: Gideon Graves]]. Even scooping up a handful of Canadian currency (of which the largest denomination is $2) could be twenty bucks or so by itself. His pockets could probably hold, oh, a hundred bucks each, if not more. And if he had a bag, he could have walked away significantly richer, even if he had to leave most of the coins behind. Of course, trying to find all that money IN COINS on a crowded dance floor [[spoiler: and among all of Ramona's stuff]], would be too hard for a bunch of very drained characters. Still, talk about a missed SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome in the course of a character's life.
** This was actually fixed in the films alternate ending where Scott ends up with Knives. As they walk Scott asks if Knives wants to go to the arcade. She says that she doesn't have any quarters. Scott having just defeated [[spoiler:Gideon]] points out that he does while rifling though his coat pocket.
** Maybe his currency inventory was maxed out, [[UnusableEnemyEquipment it's just]] [[YouCantGetYeFlask unobtainable]], or it's plain old MoneyForNothing in play? That or they're hipsters, and Goodwill and Pizza Pizza is cheap enough that it's just not worth the effort.
** ''RuleOfSymbolism?'' In the comic, [[spoiler:when Ramona finally learns her aspect of the moral, she then blocks Gideon's sword with her subspace bag, shattering it. Then, she later notes she needs a new bag and doesn't want to start picking up and hoarding her old stuff because, like Scott, she needs to stop living in the past. ''Proceeding to have Scott fussing over something as trivial as money, let alone money from her exploded ex, kind of breaks his character arc of moving on and not dwelling on your past.'']]
** Funnily, the movie averts this when Stephen Stills realizes that the band isn't getting paid after [[spoiler: Gideon explodes.]] They start scooping up as much loose change as possible.
** In the comic, the money fell on the crowd starting a panic. It would be hard to collect change in the middle of a riot.

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* In the video game, why are most of the main females dressed from the waist down in just their panties (or alternatively Japanese style gym shorts)? ''In the middle of winter.'' '''In Canada.'''
** Crosses into FridgeBrilliance when you remember that Scott Pilgrim version of Toronto runs on video game logic. Just to pull from a recent example, it's entirely possible to strip down to your birthday suit in VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim and jump into arctic waters without suffering in the slightest. Unless it's a specific mechanic of the gameplay, temperature doesn't have any discernible effect on people in video games.

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* I apologize if this was already covered in the previous entries above. Ramona tells Scott about her seven evil ex's after his fight with Mathew. When Roxy shows up, she's surprised because she didn't think Roxy would count on the grounds that it was just a phase. Does that mean there's one more evil ex out there that Gideon couldn't get in contact with?

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* I apologize if this was already covered in the previous entries above. Ramona tells Scott about her seven evil ex's after his fight with Mathew. When Roxy shows up, she's surprised because she didn't think Roxy would count on the grounds that it was just a phase. Does that mean there's one more evil ex out there that Gideon couldn't get in contact with?with?
** Yeah, Doug. In the comics at least. Although he wasn't outright evil, just a bit of a dick.
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** I found it to be the opposite. The comic is filled with fairly plump and quite believable body shapes, especially for all the female characters who aren't Envy Adams or Lynette Guycott. But maybe that's just Bryan Lee O'Malley's art style.
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