History Headscratchers / RiseOfTheGuardians

6th Dec '17 5:54:38 PM loracarol
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** Let's assume that he can't bring people back from the dead whenever he pleases (like, 300 years later), so he made Jack a spirit at the time he died because it was either then or never. It's also safe to assume he knew ''exactly'' what would happen in the future and when (most {{Big Good}}s with this much cosmic influence are omniscient) and the best way to move the pieces to win the game. Why couldn't he have just told Jack who he was, how he died, exactly how he would be needed in 300 years, what his job would be, make him a Guardian immediately, and give him all the information and power he would need for an easy victory? Because, would Jack have become the type of person who ''could'' defeat this enemy under those circumstances? He would have spent years pining for the family he knew he had but couldn't speak to, he might not have embraced his power so eagerly, he probably wouldn't have spent so much time bonding (albeit, one-sided) and playing with kids if he had such a huge responsibility on his shoulders and a dangerous battle to look forward to, and he wouldn't have proven himself like we see him do both in battle and through the choices he makes. A person doesn't become a hero -- the type who's strong and smart enough to defeat evil -- by having everything handed to them; you have to learn things and prove yourself on your own. That's what TheHerosJourney is for. The MiM gave Jack his SupernaturalAid, but Jack had to undergo the journey himself, just like how a teacher gives students all the knowledge they need but can't take the test for them. (Maybe Jack thought he needed more information handed to him instead of wanting to find it himself, but given how he ended victorious, he really had exactly what he needed.)

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** Let's assume that he can't bring people back from the dead whenever he pleases (like, 300 years later), so he made Jack a spirit at the time he died because it was either then or never. It's also safe to assume he knew ''exactly'' what would happen in the future and when (most {{Big Good}}s with this much cosmic influence are omniscient) and the best way to move the pieces to win the game. Why couldn't he have just told Jack who he was, how he died, exactly how he would be needed in 300 years, what his job would be, make him a Guardian immediately, and give him all the information and power he would need for an easy victory? Because, would Jack have become the type of person who ''could'' defeat this enemy under those circumstances? He would have spent years pining for the family he knew he had but couldn't speak to, he might not have embraced his power so eagerly, he probably wouldn't have spent so much time bonding (albeit, one-sided) and playing with kids if he had such a huge responsibility on his shoulders and a dangerous battle to look forward to, and he wouldn't have proven himself like we see him do both in battle and through the choices he makes. A person doesn't become a hero -- the type who's strong and smart enough to defeat evil -- by having everything handed to them; you have to learn things and prove yourself on your own. That's what TheHerosJourney is for. The MiM [=MiM=] gave Jack his SupernaturalAid, but Jack had to undergo the journey himself, just like how a teacher gives students all the knowledge they need but can't take the test for them. (Maybe Jack thought he needed more information handed to him instead of wanting to find it himself, but given how he ended victorious, he really had exactly what he needed.)
13th Nov '17 11:53:40 AM sugaricequeen
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* Where did Jack get his blue hoodie from and why? His dialogue hints at one point that he doesn't have any body warmth to maintain - he's just naturally cold, so wearing it should be the same as wearing his original clothes. Maybe he wanted to update his look a bit over the years (though I don't know why he hadn't changed his pants, in that case), but did he steal it? Or did he find it somewhere and decided to start wearing it?

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* Where did Jack get his blue hoodie from and why? His dialogue hints at one point that he doesn't have any body warmth to maintain - he's just naturally cold, so wearing it should be the same as wearing his original clothes. Maybe he wanted to update his look a bit over the years (though I don't know why he hadn't changed his pants, in that case), but did he steal it? Or did he find it somewhere and decided to start wearing it?it?
* Isn't it a little odd that believing in a Guardian goes hand in hand with being able to see them, considering the point of characters like Santa, the Easter Bunny, and the Tooth Fairy is that you ''aren't'' supposed to see them while they're there?
14th Aug '17 2:57:22 PM sugaricequeen
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** Tooth is hummingbird-like because, most likely, a hummingbird is the most "fairy-like" creature the author of the books could think of: a delicate, sparkly, fascinating, and spirited little flying critter. As for Jack being a kid, it's a kid's ''movie'', and his character-arc is one of him growing up enough to embrace responsibility for others: qualities pretty much guaranteed to be a NoSell if he'd looked like a rickety old man.

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** Tooth is hummingbird-like because, most likely, a hummingbird is the most "fairy-like" creature the author of the books could think of: a delicate, sparkly, fascinating, and spirited little flying critter. As for Jack being a kid, it's a kid's ''movie'', and his character-arc is one of him growing up enough to embrace responsibility for others: qualities pretty much guaranteed to be a NoSell if he'd looked like a rickety old man.man.
* Where did Jack get his blue hoodie from and why? His dialogue hints at one point that he doesn't have any body warmth to maintain - he's just naturally cold, so wearing it should be the same as wearing his original clothes. Maybe he wanted to update his look a bit over the years (though I don't know why he hadn't changed his pants, in that case), but did he steal it? Or did he find it somewhere and decided to start wearing it?
3rd Mar '17 11:38:43 AM QuarrelsomeChevon
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** My question was why they would believe (even subconsciously) in Sandy, but not in Jack, when both of them would seem to be on a similar level of children-knowing-about-them-ness.
5th Feb '17 8:24:57 PM Puterboy1
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* A question that has bugged fans ever since the movie came out: How did Jack get his hoodie and what became of his cloak if we are to assume he is still wearing his white shirt and vest underneath the sweatshirt?


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** He does say that they both know how it feels to be cast out, so maybe it was because he saw Jack as a kindred spirit.


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** A better line would be "and all you have to do is...believe."


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** The book's version of events has Nightlight becoming Jack Frost, which makes things even more confusing.
12th Dec '16 4:26:16 PM Sharlee
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** The Tooth Fairy has mice working for her in Europe instead of tiny hummingbird-fairies, so presumably Guardians can adjust their motif to suit different cultures and regions. Possibly once he takes up responsibility for children year-round, rather than just amusing them in winter, he can become known as Jack ''Fun'' in winter-free regions and summertime.

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** The Tooth Fairy has mice working for her in Europe instead of tiny hummingbird-fairies, so presumably Guardians can adjust their motif to suit different cultures and regions. Possibly once he takes up responsibility for children year-round, rather than just amusing them in winter, he can become known as Jack ''Fun'' in winter-free regions and summertime. Tropical specialty? Ice cream and shave ice.
12th Dec '16 4:25:28 PM Sharlee
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** The Tooth Fairy has mice working for her in Europe instead of tiny hummingbird-fairies, so presumably Guardians can adjust their motif to suit different cultures and regions. Possibly once he takes up responsibility for children year-round, rather than just amusing them in winter, he can become known as Jack ''Fun'' in winter-free regions and summertime.
12th Dec '16 4:20:59 PM Sharlee
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* Why are some of the Guardians so...unrecognizable, especially if their power is derived by the belief of all children? For what it's worth, North and Bunny are alright in terms of design (most notably since there aren't many ways in which you cam make a little bunny seem very awesome or threatening while still being friendly toward children), but why make Tooth a sort of hummingbird-person and Jack Frost a teenager or a young adult, instead of the old man he's usually pictured as?

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* Why are some of the Guardians so...unrecognizable, especially if their power is derived by the belief of all children? For what it's worth, North and Bunny are alright in terms of design (most notably since there aren't many ways in which you cam make a little bunny seem very awesome or threatening while still being friendly toward children), but why make Tooth a sort of hummingbird-person and Jack Frost a teenager or a young adult, instead of the old man he's usually pictured as?as?
** Tooth is hummingbird-like because, most likely, a hummingbird is the most "fairy-like" creature the author of the books could think of: a delicate, sparkly, fascinating, and spirited little flying critter. As for Jack being a kid, it's a kid's ''movie'', and his character-arc is one of him growing up enough to embrace responsibility for others: qualities pretty much guaranteed to be a NoSell if he'd looked like a rickety old man.
12th Dec '16 4:01:56 PM Sharlee
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*** Maybe for Australians and others in the Southern Hemisphere, he embodies the ''longing'' for springtime? Much like how, if the baby New Year had been included as a Guardian, he'd represent the prospect of a whole year's worth of new seasons despite being "born" in the depths of winter.

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*** Maybe for Australians and others in the Southern Hemisphere, he embodies the ''longing'' for for, and future promise of, springtime? Much like how, if the baby New Year had been included as a Guardian, he'd represent the prospect of a whole year's worth of new seasons despite being "born" in the depths of winter.
12th Dec '16 4:00:51 PM Sharlee
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*** Um, excuse me, just to pull you up on this, but Bunnymund is clearly modelled off a kangaroo. And it's not just an accent, he uses boomerangs as weapons. And he drops so many cliche Australian slang words that I feel like I'm choking on my own culture. He's definitely Australian, and it bugged me as well that they put Easter in springtime, when here it's smack in autumn.

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*** Um, excuse me, just to pull you up on this, but Bunnymund is clearly modelled modeled off a kangaroo. And it's not just an accent, he uses boomerangs as weapons. And he drops so many cliche Australian slang words that I feel like I'm choking on my own culture. He's definitely Australian, and it bugged me as well that they put Easter in springtime, when here it's smack in autumn.
*** Maybe for Australians and others in the Southern Hemisphere, he embodies the ''longing'' for springtime? Much like how, if the baby New Year had been included as a Guardian, he'd represent the prospect of a whole year's worth of new seasons despite being "born" in the depths of winter.
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