History Headscratchers / RedDawn1984

27th Oct '17 9:09:26 AM lorgskyegon
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** Plus, this is the Soviet Army. Failure to [[JustFollowingOrders just follow orders]] tends to result in you [[YouHaveFailedMe sharing a grave with the people you're supposed to be oppressing]].

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** Plus, this is the Soviet Army. Failure to [[JustFollowingOrders just follow orders]] tends to result in you [[YouHaveFailedMe sharing a grave with the people you're supposed to be oppressing]].oppressing]].
** Just because they are an invading army doesn't mean they are still people. People who have hobbies and loved ones and dreams. It's like people who are weirded out by pictures of evil people throughout history doing regular things. It's not like Hitler spent all his free time sitting in the dark, wringing his hands, and muttering "Jews...".
27th Oct '17 9:06:30 AM lorgskyegon
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** Plus, there is no chance that Tanner (an Air Force pilot) or the kids know how to operate a Russian tank.
19th Sep '17 4:49:07 AM CrowTR0bot
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** Would it have killed them to haul their loot a little further away from the ambush/dump site?
19th Sep '17 4:44:10 AM CrowTR0bot
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** The scene was probably haphazardly added when the writer realized he was getting a little ''too'' jingoistic. But it's really the banality of evil. Shooting civilians is their day job, and their failure to question their orders makes them terrible people, but they are still people, and [[WarIsHell war is hell]].

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** The scene was probably haphazardly added when the writer realized he was getting a little ''too'' jingoistic. But it's really the banality of evil. Shooting civilians is their day job, and their failure to question their orders makes them terrible people, but they are still people, and [[WarIsHell war is hell]].hell]].
** Plus, this is the Soviet Army. Failure to [[JustFollowingOrders just follow orders]] tends to result in you [[YouHaveFailedMe sharing a grave with the people you're supposed to be oppressing]].
4th May '17 9:46:25 PM Ansongc2000
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** You forget that the President isn't the only one involved in this decision. If the Russians nuked the midwest, took out NORAD(presumably) and invaded the midwest in an suprise first strike, if the President decided that even a soviet first strike and executing American civilians in occupied areas and putting Americans in gulags wasn't enough to warrent nuclear reliation, I can imagine congress, not to mention to Joint Chiefs and the DoD, would be looking for anyway to remove the President from office and put someone into office who would strike back. Though just allowing the Russians to invade the US mainland and Nuke us would likely be more the enough for the president's approval rating to drop to 0% pretty damn quickly. Refusing to strike back would be asking for a military coup.

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** You forget that the President isn't the only one involved in this decision. If the Russians nuked the midwest, took out NORAD(presumably) and invaded the midwest in an suprise surprise first strike, if the President decided that even a soviet first strike and executing American civilians in occupied areas and putting Americans in gulags wasn't enough to warrent warrant nuclear reliation, retaliation, I can imagine congress, not to mention to Joint Chiefs and the DoD, would be looking for anyway to remove the President from office and put someone into office who would strike back. Though just allowing the Russians to invade the US mainland and Nuke us would likely be more the enough for the president's approval rating to drop to 0% pretty damn quickly. Refusing to strike back would be asking for a military coup.
** So the film's scenario was unrealistic. Gee, nobody's ever pointed that our before.



* Is it just me, or is the NotSoDifferent moment in the movie completely pointless? In what way are the Wolverines in any way like the Soviets? The Soviets are an invading force that has used nuclear warfare and executed civilians. The Wolverines have...killed enemy combatants. Not to mention they're guerilla fighters and dont have the capacity to take and keep prisoners of war, making execution the only logistical alternative. So how exactly does the comparison work?

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* Is it just me, or is the NotSoDifferent moment in the movie completely pointless? In what way are the Wolverines in any way like the Soviets? The Soviets are an invading force that has used nuclear warfare and executed civilians. The Wolverines have...killed enemy combatants. Not to mention they're guerilla fighters and dont don't have the capacity to take and keep prisoners of war, making execution the only logistical alternative. So how exactly does the comparison work?
18th Apr '17 3:02:33 PM Ansongc2000
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** The scene was probably haphazardly added when the writer realized he was getting a little ''too'' jingoistic. But it's really the banality of evil. Shooting civilians is their day job, and their failure to question their orders makes them terrible people, but they are still people, and [[WarIsHell]].

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** The scene was probably haphazardly added when the writer realized he was getting a little ''too'' jingoistic. But it's really the banality of evil. Shooting civilians is their day job, and their failure to question their orders makes them terrible people, but they are still people, and [[WarIsHell]].[[WarIsHell war is hell]].
18th Apr '17 3:01:43 PM Ansongc2000
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** Except they are LITERALLY INVADERS. Who shoot down unarmed, helpless civilians in the street. Even the most naive, idealistic soldier would have trouble justifying that to themselves. You cant invade a country and complain when the people living there shoot at you.

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** Except they are LITERALLY INVADERS. Who shoot down unarmed, helpless civilians in the street. Even the most naive, idealistic soldier would have trouble justifying that to themselves. You cant invade a country and complain when the people living there shoot at you.you.
** The scene was probably haphazardly added when the writer realized he was getting a little ''too'' jingoistic. But it's really the banality of evil. Shooting civilians is their day job, and their failure to question their orders makes them terrible people, but they are still people, and [[WarIsHell]].
8th Apr '17 10:32:10 PM Hawkeye86
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** The Soviet footsoldiers did not make the decision to launch nuclear weapons or invade a foreign nation. They're just some young guys serving their country and doing what they're told, not entirely unlike many of the Wolverines.
** Except they are LITERALLY INVADERS. Who shoot down unarmed, helpless civilians in the street. Even the most naive, idealistic soldier would have trouble justifying that to themselves. You cant invade a country and complain when the people living there shoot at you.
*** Yes they can, chalk it up to a combination of MoralMyopia and RealityIsUnrealistic. Consider the reaction of the general public, and coalition active combatants, during the 2000s to troop casualties in Iraq. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement And that is all I'm going to say on that subject]].

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** The Soviet footsoldiers foot soldiers did not make the decision to launch nuclear weapons or invade a foreign nation. They're just some young guys serving their country and doing what they're told, not entirely unlike many of the Wolverines.
** Except they are LITERALLY INVADERS. Who shoot down unarmed, helpless civilians in the street. Even the most naive, idealistic soldier would have trouble justifying that to themselves. You cant invade a country and complain when the people living there shoot at you.
*** Yes they can, chalk it up to a combination of MoralMyopia and RealityIsUnrealistic. Consider the reaction of the general public, and coalition active combatants, during the 2000s to troop casualties in Iraq. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement And that is all I'm going to say on that subject]].
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1st Mar '17 8:37:41 AM rustycrackers
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**** Your assumptions are incorrect, and the AFADS round has consistently penetrated even the most modern T-72s. While no M1A1 has ever been penetrated by a T-72. I don't know what tests you are talking about but I have some first hand experience on this subject. The T-72 is old tech, it's cheap, reliable (except for the auto-loading system) and that's about it. Like most Soviet era weapons it's a glass cannon.
25th Jul '16 9:01:09 PM TheD3rp
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**** That's complete bullshit, the T-72s by used by the Iraqi's were operated by inferior crews and were early export variants armed with steel-core sabot ammunition the Soviets had phased out in ''1973''. Most of the mainline T-72s in Europe had Kontankt-5 ERA, which tests proved the M1A1's 120mm gun could not reliably penetrate even with its M829A1 "Silver Bullet" round. And don't even get me started on the T-80U.
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