History Headscratchers / QuentynQuinnSpaceRanger

27th Nov '15 7:52:46 AM Discar
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* Word of God: she left BEFORE the clone regained consciousness.

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* ** Word of God: she left BEFORE the clone regained consciousness.
27th Nov '15 7:52:33 AM Discar
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*** When you know what you're doing and have a bit of luck, [[http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/27/shepherd-kills-brown-bear-with-his-bare-hands-after-squeezing-its-throat-3810110/ strangling a bear]] or [[http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Ageing_Farmer_Kills_Leopard_With_Bare_Hands_In_Kenya.html choking a leopard with its own tongue]] can be managed. Hands are ''very'' useful.

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*** ** When you know what you're doing and have a bit of luck, [[http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/27/shepherd-kills-brown-bear-with-his-bare-hands-after-squeezing-its-throat-3810110/ strangling a bear]] or [[http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Ageing_Farmer_Kills_Leopard_With_Bare_Hands_In_Kenya.html choking a leopard with its own tongue]] can be managed. Hands are ''very'' useful.
27th Nov '15 6:59:01 AM Wanderwolf
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*** When you know what you're doing and have a bit of luck, [[http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/27/shepherd-kills-brown-bear-with-his-bare-hands-after-squeezing-its-throat-3810110/ strangling a bear]] or [[http://www.terradaily.com/reports/Ageing_Farmer_Kills_Leopard_With_Bare_Hands_In_Kenya.html choking a leopard with its own tongue]] can be managed. Hands are ''very'' useful.
5th Oct '15 7:38:21 AM Wanderwolf
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** All a cultural formation requires is a degree of "Us vs. Them", and the Kvrk-Chk have that in spades. (WordOfGod states there ''are'' Kvrk-Chk of a less belligerent nature, and the ESS would like them to have a chance to live.) Likewise, tool use is a given -- they hold roughly the position in their ecosystem that humans hold in theirs, meaning there are a lot of creatures out there that can and do devour Kvrk-Chk [[BadPun with relish]].

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** All a cultural formation requires is a degree of "Us vs. Them", and the Kvrk-Chk have that in spades. (WordOfGod states there ''are'' Kvrk-Chk of a less belligerent nature, and the ESS would like them to have a chance to live.) Likewise, tool use is a given -- they hold roughly the position in their ecosystem that humans hold in theirs, meaning there are a lot of creatures out there that can and do devour Kvrk-Chk [[BadPun [[LamePun with relish]].
2nd Oct '15 6:10:02 PM Discar
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*** And the point that ''you'' keep missing is that creatures who need to constantly expand their territory to avoid falling into a cannibalistic feeding frenzy do not and ''can'' not have the same social instincts as humans (or indeed, any other creature that survives by working in groups). As useful as those instincts may be to us (I never did disparage them, for the record), their psychology would almost necessarily take a different path. Their instinctive reaction to overcrowding would most likely create a "society" of lone individuals staking out isolated territories for themselves, with none trusting the others...pretty much the worst possible situation to set up a totalitarian monoculture. I'll grant you the possibility that they might have "needed" to develop tool use, but I still don't see ''how'' they managed to develop tools more complex than sharpened sticks (it would help if RH was consistent in how he drew them - in one panel, the one we see has tiny, T-Rex like pseudohands. In another, it has crablike claws in the same place).

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*** ** And the point that ''you'' keep missing is that creatures who need to constantly expand their territory to avoid falling into a cannibalistic feeding frenzy do not and ''can'' not have the same social instincts as humans (or indeed, any other creature that survives by working in groups). As useful as those instincts may be to us (I never did disparage them, for the record), their psychology would almost necessarily take a different path. Their instinctive reaction to overcrowding would most likely create a "society" of lone individuals staking out isolated territories for themselves, with none trusting the others...pretty much the worst possible situation to set up a totalitarian monoculture. I'll grant you the possibility that they might have "needed" to develop tool use, but I still don't see ''how'' they managed to develop tools more complex than sharpened sticks (it would help if RH was consistent in how he drew them - in one panel, the one we see has tiny, T-Rex like pseudohands. In another, it has crablike claws in the same place).



*** Our endurance and omnivorous appetite - while useful adaptations indeed - don't really challenge my statement that our natural weapons suck. As for the rest, I don't see how grasping hands (unless they have a weapon in them) or fists match up to claws, fangs, horns or other proper natural weaponry. Got any links to humans taking down large dangerous carnivores with their bare hands? I'd like to see that. Even so, I have to think that they were rare and isolated cases - not something that a population can depend on.
*** And in addition to that, humans weigh only around 120-185 pounds on average. 200 lb individuals are either born abnormally large or obese. To reinforce what's already been said, it's not something you can rely on. If you put an average human naked and tool-less into an empty featureless room with an equally-sized Komodo dragon and have the two engage in a fight to the death, ''my bets are on the Komodo dragon''. The reason humans have been able to progress so far on a global scale is not because of their superior physiological attributes, it's because of their adaptability (in the sense of tool using, not biology.), social structures and [[WeakButSkilled intelligence]]. If humans were already extremely self-sufficient, hardy, and biologically adaptable like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_bear water bears]] or the Kvrk-Chk, we would have no need to create tools or societies to enable us to survive and progress.

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*** ** Our endurance and omnivorous appetite - while useful adaptations indeed - don't really challenge my statement that our natural weapons suck. As for the rest, I don't see how grasping hands (unless they have a weapon in them) or fists match up to claws, fangs, horns or other proper natural weaponry. Got any links to humans taking down large dangerous carnivores with their bare hands? I'd like to see that. Even so, I have to think that they were rare and isolated cases - not something that a population can depend on.
*** ** And in addition to that, humans weigh only around 120-185 pounds on average. 200 lb individuals are either born abnormally large or obese. To reinforce what's already been said, it's not something you can rely on. If you put an average human naked and tool-less into an empty featureless room with an equally-sized Komodo dragon and have the two engage in a fight to the death, ''my bets are on the Komodo dragon''. The reason humans have been able to progress so far on a global scale is not because of their superior physiological attributes, it's because of their adaptability (in the sense of tool using, not biology.), social structures and [[WeakButSkilled intelligence]]. If humans were already extremely self-sufficient, hardy, and biologically adaptable like [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_bear water bears]] or the Kvrk-Chk, we would have no need to create tools or societies to enable us to survive and progress.



*** After the nerve center of their totalitarian government is space dust, who is there to reign in and stop the Kvrk-chks and their natural instincts of expansion and devouring? Naturally, their government of course... oh, that's space dust.
**** More to the point, the Empire of the Seven Systems really didn't like the idea of committing an actual genocide in the first place, even after the Kvrk-Chk captured a space liner and broadcast the resulting meal in living, realtime tri-d. Blowing up the species' homeworld, even assuming there aren't sufficient defenses in place to protect it, would be what Sun-Tzu called "dangerous ground". Sun-Tzu mentions it as a place you do not want to fight, since you effectively give your enemy a martyr the size and shape of their homeland to fight in the name of.

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*** ** After the nerve center of their totalitarian government is space dust, who is there to reign in and stop the Kvrk-chks and their natural instincts of expansion and devouring? Naturally, their government of course... oh, that's space dust.
**** ** More to the point, the Empire of the Seven Systems really didn't like the idea of committing an actual genocide in the first place, even after the Kvrk-Chk captured a space liner and broadcast the resulting meal in living, realtime tri-d. Blowing up the species' homeworld, even assuming there aren't sufficient defenses in place to protect it, would be what Sun-Tzu called "dangerous ground". Sun-Tzu mentions it as a place you do not want to fight, since you effectively give your enemy a martyr the size and shape of their homeland to fight in the name of.
29th Sep '15 4:34:30 PM Wanderwolf
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**** More to the point, the Empire of the Seven Systems really didn't like the idea of committing an actual genocide in the first place, even after the Kvrk-Chk captured a space liner and broadcast the resulting meal in living, realtime tri-d. Blowing up the species' homeworld, even assuming there aren't sufficient defenses in place to protect it, would be what Sun-Tzu called "dangerous ground". Sun-Tzu mentions it as a place you do not want to fight, since you effectively give your enemy a martyr the size and shape of their homeland to fight in the name of.
** All a cultural formation requires is a degree of "Us vs. Them", and the Kvrk-Chk have that in spades. (WordOfGod states there ''are'' Kvrk-Chk of a less belligerent nature, and the ESS would like them to have a chance to live.) Likewise, tool use is a given -- they hold roughly the position in their ecosystem that humans hold in theirs, meaning there are a lot of creatures out there that can and do devour Kvrk-Chk [[BadPun with relish]].
27th Apr '15 8:20:54 AM RHJunior
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** Well, they're not so much "superbly adapted" in their native environment as superbly neutralized. Their ecosystem is as ferocious as they are (WordOfGod, visualize an ecosystem so turbocharged that you HAVE to eat your food alive, simply to keep it from ''rotting'' first, or being devoured right on your plate by parasites and insects. ) Once they got off-planet, however, they were simply the baddest biology out there.

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** Well, they're not so much "superbly adapted" in their native environment as superbly neutralized. Their ecosystem is as ferocious as they are (WordOfGod, visualize an ecosystem so turbocharged that you HAVE to eat your food alive, simply to keep it from ''rotting'' first, or being devoured right on your plate by parasites and insects. ) Once they got off-planet, however, they were simply the baddest biology out there. Basically, they're from Space Australia.
17th Sep '14 10:40:05 PM TomWalpertac2
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** As to cannibalism, Controlled cannibalism was simply a way to assure you actually brought something edible into the house... their limbs grow back, after all. And UNcontrolled cannibalism would occur when the population density got to dangerous levels and triggered an atavistic feeding.... Any rate, there are far stranger systems for species than that right here on earth.

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** As to cannibalism, Controlled cannibalism was simply a way to assure you actually brought something edible into the house... their limbs grow back, after all. And UNcontrolled [=UNcontrolled=] cannibalism would occur when the population density got to dangerous levels and triggered an atavistic feeding.... Any rate, there are far stranger systems for species than that right here on earth.
19th Dec '13 8:08:01 PM wkz
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*** After the nerve center of their totalitarian government is space dust, who is there to reign the Kvrk-chks and their natural instincts of expansion and devouring in? Naturally, their government of course... oh, that's space dust.

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*** After the nerve center of their totalitarian government is space dust, who is there to reign in and stop the Kvrk-chks and their natural instincts of expansion and devouring in? devouring? Naturally, their government of course... oh, that's space dust.
19th Dec '13 8:06:54 PM wkz
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*** After the nerve center of their totalitarian government is space dust, who is there to reign the Kvrk-chks and their natural instincts of expansion and devouring in? Naturally, their government of course... oh, that's space dust.
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