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It's never stated that the Tet was created to do what it's doing. Maybe it was created for an entire different purpose (for example a mobile defense fortress operated by aliens), but because AIIsACrapshoot (for example it might have developed a god complex once it noticed it's able to ''create'' life) it instead decided to conquer other worlds by itself, even though it sucks at it.

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It's never stated that the Tet was created to do what it's doing. Maybe it was created for an entire different purpose (for example a mobile defense fortress operated by aliens), but because AIIsACrapshoot (for example it might have developed a god complex once it noticed it's able to ''create'' life) it instead decided to conquer other worlds by itself, even though it sucks at it.
it. That might adress a lot of the issues brought up about stupid actions on its part.

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** It's never stated that the Tet was created to do what it's doing. Maybe it was created for an entire different purpose (for example a mobile defense fortress operated by aliens), but because AIIsACrapshoot (for example it might have developed a god complex once it noticed it's able to ''create'' life) it instead decided to conquer other worlds by itself, even though it sucks at it.

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It's never stated that the Tet was created to do what it's doing. Maybe it was created for an entire different purpose (for example a mobile defense fortress operated by aliens), but because AIIsACrapshoot (for example it might have developed a god complex once it noticed it's able to ''create'' life) it instead decided to conquer other worlds by itself, even though it sucks at it.
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So if all the teams are one Jack, who goes out and about, and one Vika who mans the station thing and never leaves... Why does the shuttle have two seats? Who did the Tet expect Jack to take as a passenger? Vika hates the surface and the Tet presumably knows this so it's not like it expects her to go down there. Seems weird the Tet designed the shuttle so Julia has a place to sit during the chase.
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* He does his job in his assigned area, and apparently doesn't expect to have any contact with other tech teams on the planet, because they are off in their assigned areas doing the same job.
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Jack is referred to (and refers to himself) as Tech 52. There is a 52 on his uniform. There is a 52 on their station. There is a 52 on his bubble car. Yet they do not seem to have any curiosity ''at all'' about the possibility of a Tech 51, or a Tech 53.

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Jack is referred to (and refers to himself) as Tech 52. 49. There is a 52 49 on his uniform. There is a 52 49 on their station. There is a 52 49 on his bubble car. Yet they do not seem to have any curiosity ''at all'' about the possibility of a Tech 51, 48, or a Tech 53.50.
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Jack is referred to (and refers to himself) as Tech 52. There is a 52 on his uniform. There is a 52 on their station. There is a 52 on his bubble car. Yet they do not seem to have any curiosity ''at all'' about the possibility of a Tech 51, or a Tech 53.
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** The Tet's actions display it to be a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replicating_spacecraft#Berserkers Berserker probe]], so its primary mission is to wipe out intelligent life, then refuel and replicate.
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** Perhaps Tet visual scanning tech deliberately manipulates the readings to make Scavs look alien and monstrous as to not arous suspicion?
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*** Perhaps it was ultimately planning on extracting all of the water in the system, but decided to get the difficult human-infested planet out of the way first before moving on to the easier targets.

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** The pods are probably shielded against radiation to protect their occupant, which would also act to block things like detecting the power emissions of an active fuel cell rigged to explode inside. Note that the drones looked in the windows to see what was in the pods and target the humans inside when the ''Odyssey'' first crashed.

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** The pods are probably shielded against radiation to protect their occupant, occupants, which would also act to block things like detecting the power emissions of an active fuel cell rigged to explode inside. Note that the drones looked in the windows to see what was in the pods and target the humans inside when the ''Odyssey'' first crashed.


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* Three minutes into the movie we get a [[https://imgur.com/eYNov7q visual]] of a Scav which looks like a monster and nothing like the actual humans we later discover. How does that fit in?
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*** It also obscures TheReveal for the audience. What better way to spoil the drones are ''not'' human equipment than a "through the eyes" view featuring alien gibberish long before Jack learns what the drones actually hunt for.

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** It's never stated that the Tet was created to do what it's doing. Maybe it was created for an entire different purpose (for example a mobile defense fortress operated by aliens), but because AIIsACrapshoot (for example it might have developed a god complex once it noticed it's able to ''create'' life) it instead decided to conquer other worlds by itself, even though it sucks at it.
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**** Those are all better arguments than "they kill people and are hella creepy" had that been said from the onset, there would be no need for clarification.
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*** Or maybe (FridgeHorror) the individual clones only ''have'' a lifespan of five years, and are called in, liquidated and recycled just before their force-grown organs start to shut down.
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** Possibly experience with previous clone-teams have demonstrated that the tech crews are more efficient at their jobs if they're rendered incommunicado for a while each day, because it encourages personal initiative. Presumably if they wanted technicians who ''couldn't'' think on the fly without constantly asking for orders from HQ, the Tet wouldn't have used clones at all, but pre-programmed robots.
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** Regarding using other methods to contact Jack - it's implied that the Scavs have tried at lesat some of these methods without success. Approaching a Jack openly as humans or leaving messages at a downed drone apparently hasn't convinced one of the truth in the past, or if it has then that Jack was eliminated by the Tet as an "ineffective team" before the Scavs realized that it had worked. They capture Jack-49 and threaten Julia rather than trying to tell him the truth because a threat seems to have the best chance of getting Jack-49 to do what they want. Beech decides to try something else when that doesn't work, but he's not going to waste his time on the same long explanations that have failed to convince other Jacks that they are clones working for the wrong side. He believes Jack-49 will only be convinced if he finds out the truth for himself.

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** Regarding using other methods to contact Jack - it's implied that the Scavs have tried at lesat least some of these methods without success. Approaching a Jack openly as humans or leaving messages at a downed drone apparently hasn't convinced one of the truth in the past, or if it has then that Jack was eliminated by the Tet as an "ineffective team" before the Scavs realized that it had worked. They capture Jack-49 and threaten Julia rather than trying to tell him the truth because a threat seems to have the best chance of getting Jack-49 to do what they want. Beech decides to try something else when that doesn't work, but he's not going to waste his time on the same long explanations that have failed to convince other Jacks that they are clones working for the wrong side. He believes Jack-49 will only be convinced if he finds out the truth for himself.
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*** [[ARareSentence Battleship did it better]], with green vs. red [[ColorCodedForYourConvenience Color Coding]]. Still not that plausible, but better than "Terminate" / "Clear".
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* Sally seems to have terrible contingency protocols. When Victoria declares that she and 49 are no longer an effective team, rather than detonating the entire platform, or unlocking the moorings to send it crashing to the ground, Sally simply unlocks all the doors and sics a single barely functioning drone on the two. Why not disable the bubble ship of the "innefective" team?

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* Sally seems to have terrible contingency protocols. When Victoria declares that she and 49 are no longer an effective team, rather than detonating the entire platform, or unlocking the moorings to send it crashing to the ground, Sally simply unlocks all the doors and sics a single barely functioning drone on the two. Why not disable the bubble ship of the "innefective" "ineffective" team?


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**Major fridge logic here - if the Tet wanted hydrogen, why didn't it tap Uranus and Neptune? These two are not only uncontested, each contains more hydrogen than Earth, ''by several orders or magnitude.''


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*** The Tet could just use remote-controlled bubblecraft to tow damaged drones back into space, or if that's too much of an energy issue, into some centalized robotic maintenance yard, where damaged drones are disassembled and re-assembled.


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*** "simply doesnt have the ability ''or resources''" - really? It could use, well, some drones for that job. The drones and bubblecraft are established as space-going vehicles; the Tet could just put a network of drones in orbit, which would mean next to zero wear on them, and keep them way out of the scavs' range.


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*** I dunno, but maybe because the Scavs ''nuked a water tower the other day'', it should really look for that stuff?
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* The idea of stealing Earth's water for hydrogen or whatever, bothered the heck out of me. MST3K mantra aside, hydrogen is THE MOST ABUNDANT ELEMENT IN THE UNIVERSE!!! Lot's of other way to collect the needed hydrogen. Hell, Europa has huge deposits of (frozen) water. Perhaps Tet was looking for deuterium in heavy water...who knows. There isn't that much deuterium on Earth. Exterminating and then cloning humans in order to steal water is an extreme waste of resources. Especially water, as last I checked...humans are made of about 40 litres of water. And don't get me started on Tet's "blind side"...too little of the movie made sense to me to enjoy.

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* The idea of stealing Earth's water for hydrogen or whatever, bothered the heck out of me. MST3K mantra MST3KMantra aside, hydrogen is THE MOST ABUNDANT ELEMENT IN THE UNIVERSE!!! Lot's of other way to collect the needed hydrogen. Hell, Europa has huge deposits of (frozen) water. Perhaps Tet was looking for deuterium in heavy water...who knows. There isn't that much deuterium on Earth. Exterminating and then cloning humans in order to steal water is an extreme waste of resources. Especially water, as last I checked...humans are made of about 40 litres of water. And don't get me started on Tet's "blind side"...too little of the movie made sense to me to enjoy.
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** Most importantly, the first attempt to pull away was done using tiny little maneuvering thrusters on the command module, which are even outright referred to as OMS, i.e. orbital maneuvering system. After it is separated, the sleeper pod can briefly be seen using its own, much beefier engines to pull away. Why these weren't fired when the command module was still attached is a mystery, though.
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* Rather than focus on details, let's think about the big picture for a moment. Why is the Tet even attacking planets at all? To recharge its batteries? Going from planet to planet sucking up water seems like a very inefficient and risky way of doing that. It forces the Tet into a nomadic lifestyle whereby it has to build up sufficient energy reserves to survive the trip to the next solar system, all the while blindly hoping that the next solar system will have a suitable planet that can be harvested. Why do that? The Tet can evidently manufacture specialized, purpose-made machinery and equipment, as evidenced by all the buildings, weapons, bubble ships, etc., all apparently specially designed and built to be usable by humans. So why not just build a load of solar panels and deploy them into orbit around the sun? Yeah, you'd need a lot of them, but the energy and resources necessary for an interstellar trip are vast and would be much better spent building the beginnings of a Dyson swarm. Judging by Sally's stinginess with spare parts and drones (of which there are *thousands* inside the Tet), harvesting planets is barely enough to meet the Tet's needs. Creating a bunch of solar power satelites would provide a constant source of energy, and the energy thus obtained could be used to keep adding even more satelites and generating even more energy, eventually dwarfing the energy production capacity of the water towers and supplying the Tet with more energy than it knew what to do with for billions of years.

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* Rather than focus on details, let's think about the big picture for a moment. Why is the Tet even attacking planets at all? To recharge its batteries? Going from planet to planet sucking up water seems like a very inefficient and risky way of doing that. It forces the Tet into a nomadic lifestyle whereby it has to build up sufficient energy reserves to survive the trip to the next solar system, all the while blindly hoping that the next solar system will have a suitable planet that can be harvested. Why do that? The Tet can evidently manufacture specialized, purpose-made machinery and equipment, as evidenced by all the buildings, weapons, bubble ships, etc., all apparently specially designed and built to be usable by humans. So why not just build a load of solar panels and deploy them into orbit around the sun? Yeah, you'd need a lot of them, but the energy and resources necessary for an interstellar trip are vast and would be much better spent building the beginnings of a Dyson swarm. Judging by Sally's stinginess with spare parts and drones (of which there are *thousands* ''thousands'' inside the Tet), harvesting planets is barely enough to meet the Tet's needs. Creating a bunch of solar power satelites would provide a constant source of energy, and the energy thus obtained could be used to keep adding even more satelites and generating even more energy, eventually dwarfing the energy production capacity of the water towers and supplying the Tet with more energy than it knew what to do with for billions of years.
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* Rather than focus on details, let's think about the big picture for a moment. Why is the Tet even attacking planets at all? To recharge its batteries? Going from planet to planet sucking up water seems like a very inefficient and risky way of doing that. It forces the Tet into a nomadic lifestyle whereby it has to build up sufficient energy reserves to survive the trip to the next solar system, all the while blindly hoping that the next solar system will have a suitable planet that can be harvested. Why do that? The Tet can evidently manufacture machinery and equipment as required, as evidenced by all the buildings, weapons, bubble ships, etc., all apparently specially designed and built to be used and maintained by humans. So why not just build a load of solar panels and deploy them into orbit around the sun? Yeah, you'd need a lot of them, but the energy and resources necessary for an interstellar trip are vast and would be much better spent building the beginnings of a Dyson swarm. Judging by Sally's stinginess with spare parts, harvesting planets is barely enough to meet the Tet's needs. Creating a bunch of solar power satelites would provide a constant source of energy, and the energy thus obtained could be used to keep adding even more satelites and generating even more energy, eventually dwarfing the energy production capacity of the water towers and supplying the Tet with more energy than it knew what to do with for billions of years.

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* Rather than focus on details, let's think about the big picture for a moment. Why is the Tet even attacking planets at all? To recharge its batteries? Going from planet to planet sucking up water seems like a very inefficient and risky way of doing that. It forces the Tet into a nomadic lifestyle whereby it has to build up sufficient energy reserves to survive the trip to the next solar system, all the while blindly hoping that the next solar system will have a suitable planet that can be harvested. Why do that? The Tet can evidently manufacture specialized, purpose-made machinery and equipment as required, equipment, as evidenced by all the buildings, weapons, bubble ships, etc., all apparently specially designed and built to be used and maintained usable by humans. So why not just build a load of solar panels and deploy them into orbit around the sun? Yeah, you'd need a lot of them, but the energy and resources necessary for an interstellar trip are vast and would be much better spent building the beginnings of a Dyson swarm. Judging by Sally's stinginess with spare parts, parts and drones (of which there are *thousands* inside the Tet), harvesting planets is barely enough to meet the Tet's needs. Creating a bunch of solar power satelites would provide a constant source of energy, and the energy thus obtained could be used to keep adding even more satelites and generating even more energy, eventually dwarfing the energy production capacity of the water towers and supplying the Tet with more energy than it knew what to do with for billions of years.
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* Rather than focus on details, let's think about the big picture for a moment. Why is the Tet even attacking planets at all? To recharge its batteries? Going from planet to planet sucking up water seems like a very inefficient and risky way of doing that. It forces the Tet into a nomadic lifestyle whereby it has to build up sufficient energy reserves to survive the trip to the next solar system, all the while blindly hoping that the next solar system will have a suitable planet that can be harvested. Why do that? The Tet can evidently manufacture machinery and equipment as required, as evidenced by all the buildings, weapons, bubble ships, etc., all apparently specially designed and built to be used and maintained by humans. So why not just build a load of solar panels and deploy them into orbit around the sun? Yeah, you'd need a lot of them, but the energy and resources necessary for an interstellar trip are vast and would be much better spent building the beginnings of a Dyson swarm. Judging by Sally's stinginess with spare parts, harvesting planets is barely enough to meet the Tet's needs. Creating a bunch of solar power satelites would provide a constant source of energy, and the energy thus obtained could be used to keep adding even more satelites and generating even more energy, eventually dwarfing the energy production capacity of the water towers and supplying the Tet with more energy than it knew what to do with for billions of years.



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** They also spend a few moments assembling the bomb, so they obviously didn't have it primed.
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* Creating clones that can potentially think for themselves that haven't been neutered in some way seems like an case of extreme case of the IdiotBall. True the lack of genetic diversity would kill off any kind of ''new'' human race that could come of this, but we have seen that the medical technology in this world is incredibly advanced so it isn't ''that'' unlikely they couldn't do something about that.
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* Why is nearly every example of Tet/Sally being stupid dismissed with "the AI wasn't programmed for creativity" or "the AI doesn't understand humanity"? Think about it, this AI singlehandedly destroyed human society in a colossal war, invented or at least uses weapons that are generally familiar by human standards such as assault rifles, and above all else, made a hugely elaborate lie to keep the clones motivated and avoid asking questions. You're telling me the AI that could do all of that didn't understand humans enough to suppose that Jack might want to fight back if he figured out the truth? That the AI that created the mother of all Big Lies didn't understand that Jack might try to deceive it ''even after deducing that he lied to it?'' Or that the AI that specifically paired off pairs of Jacks and Vikas in romantic relationships honestly thought Jack-49 would think absolutely nothing of Vika-49 being killed?

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* Why is nearly every example of Tet/Sally being stupid dismissed with "the AI wasn't programmed for creativity" or "the AI doesn't understand humanity"? Think about it, this AI singlehandedly destroyed human society in a colossal war, invented or at least uses weapons that are generally familiar by human standards such as assault rifles, and above all else, made a hugely elaborate lie to keep the clones motivated and avoid asking questions. You're telling me the AI that could do all of that didn't understand humans enough to suppose that Jack might want to fight back if he figured out the truth? That the AI that created the mother of all Big Lies didn't understand that Jack might try to deceive it ''even after deducing that he lied to it?'' Or that the AI that specifically paired off pairs of Jacks and Vikas in romantic relationships honestly thought Jack-49 would think absolutely nothing of Vika-49 being killed?
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** Or all of the not even creative, but obvious design flaws it would have every time it does this plan. It's designed with thousands of combat drones but has no way to maintain them that's better than clones it has to constantly check for going rogue. It has to constantly check it's clones but can't see more than half the planet at a time. It supplies vehicles of it's own design and can interface with them, but doesn't bother to disable them for rogue clones. The clones it makes are faulty enough to require constant supervision, but it doesn't have any form of kill switch if they do go rogue. These aren't matters of creativity, these are glaring design flaws in what it's supposed to be specialized in doing.
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*** But that's the problem with your thinking, we're talking about the dvd player here. The Tet is designed such that it can only contact with half its target planet at a time at all times. Whomever designed this thing seemed to only have one plan in mind, the one that the Tet used but it does that job poorly and ineffectively when things like satellites and clone contingency plans should be obvious features already programed in. We're not talking about an advanced computer without the hardware to play a dvd, we're talking about a dvd player designed to play dvds, but none of the makers thought a rewind or pause function would ever be needed.

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* At the end, why don't they scan and detect, you know, major anatomic differences (at the bare minimum) between Julia and Beech? Or a big explosion waiting to happen elsewhere in the craft?[[/folder]]

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** The pods are probably shielded against radiation to protect their occupant, which would also act to block things like detecting the power emissions of an active fuel cell rigged to explode inside. Note that the drones looked in the windows to see what was in the pods and target the humans inside when the ''Odyssey'' first crashed.
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