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** Another possibility is that this did happen in some timelines that were not shown and which June trivially discarded by changing either her instructions to Junpei or her present-day actions until people did what she wanted.

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** Another possibility is that this did happen in some timelines that were not shown and which June trivially discarded by changing either her instructions to Junpei or her present-day actions until people did what she wanted. Alternatively, any timeline where people discover there's no risk too early is by definition unaccessible to the player ''because'' doing so weakens the morphogenic field for that timeline only - the way the morphogenic field works ensures that timelines that weaken it simply don't appear from the perspective of people using it to copy memories.
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** Several possibilities. One is that, as one of the creators of the original games, he knew (or believed he knew) of a way to cheat the system up ahead. Getting through the "5" door puzzles does give you access to a huge chunk of the ship. Another possibility is that he intended to wait in ambush and kill people to get the bracelets he needed to reach an exit.

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** Several possibilities. One is that, as one of the creators of the original games, he knew (or believed he knew) of a way to cheat the system up ahead. Getting through the "5" door puzzles does give you access to a huge chunk of the ship. Another possibility is that he intended to wait in ambush and kill people to get the bracelets he needed to reach an exit. In particular, we know there was an extra Sun Key; it's possible the Submarine Room provides an exit from the building and that he intended to get the key and leave that way.
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** The workshop probably belonged to Kubota, since he designed a lot of the tech used in the first Nonary Games, and was just left in its existing state by Zero.

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** The workshop probably belonged to Kubota, since he designed a lot of the tech used in the first Nonary Games, and was just left in its existing state by Zero. In particular, it's mentioned that all the tools except the wrench are extremely rusty, making it likely that it's from 10 years ago.
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** Several possibilities. One is that, as one of the creators of the original games, he knew (or believed he knew) of a way to cheat the system up ahead. Getting through the "5" door puzzles does give you access to a huge chunk of the ship. Another possibility is that he intended to wait in ambush and kill people to get the bracelets he needed to reach an exit.
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*** Junpei's speculation there is 100% wrong, though. In the original game, the purpose was to test telepathy, not to make people kill each other; the creators absolutely ''did not'' want the kids to start killing each other, which would be a pointless, wasteful distraction from what they were trying to test. And in the new game, the only people the creators want to kill are the creators of the original game, who would know how it works. (From a meta standpoint the reason for that speculation from Junpei is to provide an alternative reason why murders are occurring. In reality all of the murders are either Ace trying to conceal his identity, the masterminds manipulating Ace to get their revenge, or Clover snapping. Nobody ever actually acts under the assumption that the last door only allows five survivors, and none of the creators of either game would want their participants to have that impression.)
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*** But in the original game, the incinerator shuts down when Akane's puzzle is solved. In Akane's reenacment, this puzzle is never even ''presented'' unless Junpei is present, and his solving it means she has what she wants. Why not just have it behave the way it did the first time around? From an out-of-universe perspective that adds a final bit of tension at the end, avoiding an anticlimactic ending, but from an in-universe perspective she has no reason to change that bit.
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*** The TrueEnding also heavily implies that Seven was in league with Akane and Santa and lied when he said Akane died (because the psychological pressure created by this was necessary for the plan to work.)
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** Some of this can be explained by the fact that it's possible to get the Submarine End first (in fact, it's reasonably likely, as there's two chances to lock yourself onto that path, though the game heavily discourages the first chance to do so; and unlike the other "full" endings it doesn't require any prerequisites.) So it's structured to avoid revealing things that are meant to be shocking reveals on other routes, especially the fact that Ace is a killer.
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** Another possibility is that this did happen in some timelines that were not shown and which June trivially discarded by changing either her instructions to Junpei or her present-day actions until people did what she wanted.
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*** There was little reason to believe he would've been able to squeeze through a small vent space to esape the prison he was in. As for why: they probably didn't want to leave a cop around conducting searches for the children or the vessel, so they put him on board to sink down with the ship.

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*** There was little reason to believe he would've been able to squeeze through a small vent space to esape the prison cell he was in. As for why: they probably didn't want to leave a cop around conducting searches for the children or the vessel, so they put him on board to sink down with the ship.
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** The impression I had gotten was that Santa and June had gotten rich by using future knowledge to make money, and thus bought the Nevada building under the guise of a dummy corporation. As for why Cradle would be selling it, perhaps they weren't particularly worried about being found out after the 16 missing children were returned and didn't implicate them, and sold the now-useless building for profit after it had served its purpose?

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** The impression I had gotten was that Santa and June had gotten rich by using future knowledge to make money, buying Cradle stock early and selling it off when they got huge, and thus bought the Nevada building under the guise of a dummy corporation. As for why Cradle would be selling it, perhaps they weren't particularly worried about being found out after the 16 missing children were returned and didn't implicate them, and sold the now-useless building for profit after it had served its purpose?
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*** There was little reason to believe he would've been able to squeeze through a small vent space to esape the prison he was in. As for why: they probably didn't want to leave a cop around conducting searches for the children or the vessel, so they put him on board to sink down with the ship.

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*** Additionally, Junpei could theoretically have worked with June and Lotus to murder Snake using their combined bracelets. (2+5+6+8=21=2+1=3).



** The workshop probably belonged to Kubota, since he designed a lot of the tech used in the first Nonary Games, and was just left in its existing state by Zero.



* Why are there buttons on the bracelets? In the second Nonary Game they're used to reveal the combination to the safe and the coffin, but they appear to exist on the bracelets used in the first game as well. Except there's no apparent reason for them since both of those elements were added by Zero in the second game.

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** The impression I had gotten was that Santa and June had gotten rich by using future knowledge to make money, and thus bought the Nevada building under the guise of a dummy corporation. As for why Cradle would be selling it, perhaps they weren't particularly worried about being found out after the 16 missing children were returned and didn't implicate them, and sold the now-useless building for profit after it had served its purpose?
* Why are there buttons on the bracelets? In the second Nonary Game they're used to reveal the combination to the safe and the coffin, but they appear to exist on the bracelets used in the first game as well. Except there's no apparent reason for them since both of those elements were added by Zero in the second game.game.
** Perhaps the bracelets were made by modifying existing watches, or they were intentionally designed to resemble digital watches (including buttons) to subconsciously remind the wearer's that time was passing (and thus the danger that the morphogenic field theory relied on) every time they look at their wrists.
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* Why was Building Q just abandoned by Cradle after the experiment was run? Wouldn't they have tried to cover up things up by demolishing it or have instituted some kind of security measures so a pair of twenty-somethings can't just show up and reuse it?

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* Why was Building Q just abandoned by Cradle after the experiment was run? Wouldn't they have tried to cover up things up by demolishing it or have instituted some kind of security measures so a pair of twenty-somethings can't just show up and reuse it?it?
* Why are there buttons on the bracelets? In the second Nonary Game they're used to reveal the combination to the safe and the coffin, but they appear to exist on the bracelets used in the first game as well. Except there's no apparent reason for them since both of those elements were added by Zero in the second game.
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** Here, the (?)'s represent Santa, June, and Lotus. Junpei is with them, and the digital root they need is [4], thus Santa + June + Lotus would have to have a digital root of 8. However, considering Lotus is "8" to begin with, there's no point to having her with a different number (the reason for suspecting them of being Zero wasn't just that they went together, but that "3+6" was basically the same as "0+9"). It would also mean that none of them were (0), which is the whole point of the theory. Not to mention, like what Clover mentions with "Snake's" killer, it becomes less plausible the more people were in on the crime.[[labelnote:Additional Evidence]]Also, when opening Door [5] right after the 9th Man dies, Junpei registers himself and either "Ace + Lotus", "Snake + Seven", or "Santa + June". As you can see, there's two optional cases where Santa, June, and Lotus split up. This is probably why this whole thing isn't mentioned by the characters... it'd be harder to program for the three slightly different scenarios at the very start of the game.[[/labelnote]]

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** Here, the (?)'s represent Santa, June, and Lotus. Junpei is with them, and the digital root they need is [4], thus Santa + June + Lotus would have to have a digital root of 8. However, considering Lotus is "8" to begin with, there's no point to having her with a different number (the reason for suspecting them of being Zero wasn't just that they went together, but that "3+6" was basically the same as "0+9"). It would also mean that none of them were (0), which is the whole point of the theory. Not to mention, like what Clover mentions with "Snake's" killer, it becomes less plausible the more people were in on the crime.[[labelnote:Additional Evidence]]Also, when opening Door [5] right after the 9th Man dies, Junpei registers himself and either "Ace + Lotus", "Snake + Seven", or "Santa + June". As you can see, there's two optional cases where Santa, June, and Lotus split up. This is probably why this whole thing isn't mentioned by the characters... it'd be harder to program for the three slightly different scenarios at the very start of the game.[[/labelnote]][[/labelnote]]
* Why does Zero have a workshop where the puzzles were developed if the puzzles are exactly the same as the ones that previously existed and were already in place?
* Why was Building Q just abandoned by Cradle after the experiment was run? Wouldn't they have tried to cover up things up by demolishing it or have instituted some kind of security measures so a pair of twenty-somethings can't just show up and reuse it?
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** The bigger question is why they even imprisoned him on the ship. Keeping him on land would have prevented his ability to interfere any further.


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** The best guess I have is that, just like her in the story, the mandragora serves as a "seed crystal" to propel Cradle to massive success thus setting everything else into motion.
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** The solar system keys are in relation to the fact that, until a few years ago, nine planets were part of our solar system. So the number is important in and of itself. The Sun door cannot be affected by the participants of the Nonary game, not unlike the planets cannot truly affect the sun. Zero was more or less setting the planets aligned. IIRC most of the keys are used in the order of the planets throughout the game (Correct me where I'm inaccurate.) Near the end, Snake is wearing a cloak. This is important because if you look closely, the cloak has the symbol for Pluto, which makes him a key. This is also a reference to Pluto, the Roman equivalent of Hades, the Greek god of the dead, quite fitting where he is found at that point. Please excuse the rambling, hopefully this was coherent.

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** *** The solar system keys are in relation to the fact that, until a few years ago, nine planets were part of our solar system. So the number is important in and of itself. The Sun door cannot be affected by the participants of the Nonary game, not unlike the planets cannot truly affect the sun. Zero was more or less setting the planets aligned. IIRC most of the keys are used in the order of the planets throughout the game (Correct me where I'm inaccurate.) Near the end, Snake is wearing a cloak. This is important because if you look closely, the cloak has the symbol for Pluto, which makes him a key. This is also a reference to Pluto, the Roman equivalent of Hades, the Greek god of the dead, quite fitting where he is found at that point. Please excuse the rambling, hopefully this was coherent.
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** It's all a [[TemporalParadox]]. Akane is seeing into a future where Junpei was able to keep her from dying in the past which required her to create the game. Like most paradoxes the more you pick at it, the more it falls apart.
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*** It's also a clue to the player. Cap's bracelet is a fake 0, but actually reads as 6 (digital root of 24) which points to the person with bracelet 6, Akane, as being the real Zero.
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*** Guess we can chalk this one up to GameplayAndStorySegregation?
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** It's hard to remember alphabet ciphers if you never use them, unless you learned them VERY young. The only person (other than Snake) who'd be exposed to braille on a regular basis ''and'' the only person who'd have had a reason to learn it as a child would be Clover. She has no reason to doubt Snake, so no reason to check the paper herself.
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** There's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it moment when Junpei and Seven are exploring the cell that Seven gets down on his hands and knees to look under the bed, checking if this is the same cell he was locked in nine years ago. Since Clover's group solved door 2, Seven witnessed the same puzzles being solved and probably had the same memory come back. A perfect opportunity for a petite girl with a ''grande'' axe.
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** My personal belief is that she went there because she knew that this is where Junpei was heading. If he never found her body he or past Akane might come to the conlusion that ''she'' was the one who murdered everyone which would be bad for her in other timelines.

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** My personal belief is that she went there because she knew that this is where Junpei was heading. If he never found her body he or past Akane might come to the conlusion conclusion that ''she'' was the one who murdered everyone which would be bad for her in other timelines.
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** In the room there was a bunch of papers that Junpei thought would be too much to go through. Maybe the password was hidden in there?
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* In the True Ending Route, when the gang figures out Santa and Akane's bracelet number: How did Snake and Seven figure out that they were both Zero? They clearly say that they are always together in the doors they went through (this is the reason why they believe them to be Zero), yet Lotus (8) is also always with them (at least in the True Ending, shown by Clover's "summary" of the doors that June went through).Plot hole?

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* In the True Ending Route, when the gang figures out Santa and Akane's bracelet number: How did Snake and Seven figure out that they were both Zero? They clearly say that they are always together in the doors they went through (this is the reason why they believe them to be Zero), yet Lotus (8) is also always with them (at least in the True Ending, shown by Clover's "summary" of the doors that June went through).Plot hole?hole?
** First of all, Snake's deduction is that Akane is (9) and Santa is (0) (which is technically wrong, but close enough). Anyway, it's because (3+6) and (0+9) are equal. Imagine if Lotus' number was different too. Door [4] would be:
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** Here, the (?)'s represent Santa, June, and Lotus. Junpei is with them, and the digital root they need is [4], thus Santa + June + Lotus would have to have a digital root of 8. However, considering Lotus is "8" to begin with, there's no point to having her with a different number (the reason for suspecting them of being Zero wasn't just that they went together, but that "3+6" was basically the same as "0+9"). It would also mean that none of them were (0), which is the whole point of the theory. Not to mention, like what Clover mentions with "Snake's" killer, it becomes less plausible the more people were in on the crime.[[labelnote:Additional Evidence]]Also, when opening Door [5] right after the 9th Man dies, Junpei registers himself and either "Ace + Lotus", "Snake + Seven", or "Santa + June". As you can see, there's two optional cases where Santa, June, and Lotus split up. This is probably why this whole thing isn't mentioned by the characters... it'd be harder to program for the three slightly different scenarios at the very start of the game.[[/labelnote]]
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* In the True Ending Route, when the gang figures out Santa and Akane's bracelet number: How did Snake and Seven figure out that they were both Zero? They clearly say that they are always together in the doors they went through (this is the reason why they believe them to be Zero), yet Lotus (8) is also always with them (at least in the True Ending, shown by Clover's "summary").Plot hole?

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* In the True Ending Route, when the gang figures out Santa and Akane's bracelet number: How did Snake and Seven figure out that they were both Zero? They clearly say that they are always together in the doors they went through (this is the reason why they believe them to be Zero), yet Lotus (8) is also always with them (at least in the True Ending, shown by Clover's "summary")."summary" of the doors that June went through).Plot hole?
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** The image on the computer seemed to be a command prompt, so perhaps it was already in desktop mode with that running. And before you say that the power had to be plugged in first, that was for the monitor, not the computer. It could be assumed that Lotus wrote up a batch program meant to brute force the password on that prompt.

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** The image on the computer seemed to be a command prompt, so perhaps it was already in desktop mode with that running. And before you say that the power had to be plugged in first, that was for the monitor, not the computer. It could be assumed that Lotus wrote up a batch program meant to brute force the password on that prompt.prompt.
*In the True Ending Route, when the gang figures out Santa and Akane's bracelet number: How did Snake and Seven figure out that they were both Zero? They clearly say that they are always together in the doors they went through (this is the reason why they believe them to be Zero), yet Lotus (8) is also always with them (at least in the True Ending, shown by Clover's "summary").Plot hole?
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** It doesn't necessarily have to line up to ''every'' minute detail, though it still has to be pretty damn close. The picture-cards are different, yes, but the solution would still be the same: match up the faces with the boxes according to the numbered bracelets they wear. The only difference would be what faces are on there, which for Akane would've been the 9 children in the first Nonary Game.
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** The image on the computer seemed to be a command prompt, so perhaps it was already in desktop mode with that running. It could be assumed that Lotus wrote up a batch program meant to brute force the password on that prompt.

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** The image on the computer seemed to be a command prompt, so perhaps it was already in desktop mode with that running. And before you say that the power had to be plugged in first, that was for the monitor, not the computer. It could be assumed that Lotus wrote up a batch program meant to brute force the password on that prompt.

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