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** It's possible they did go down there, and there was nothing there. Such a event would be rather irrelevant to the plot, so they decided not to show it.
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* Why doesn't Grogar re-revive Sombra in the end? It's not like he can't as far as we know. Yeah, this time his body was vaporized, but Grogar didn't need a piece of his body to revive him the first time. He just drew a circle in the ground with the letter M (what could that stand for?), and Sombra came out of the ground. He clearly doesn't need his horn or anything. Didn't he himself say that if Sombra was defeated again he would have to serve him? Why doesn't he revive him than? Was he expecting Sombra to lose but still survive? If so, why does that matter? He could still revive him again as far as we know (he didn't say he couldn't so we have no reason to believe so). Did he feel like Sombra betrayed him when he decided to take over all of Equestria instead of just the Crystal Empire like they agreed? Even if that is the case, I think it's more pragmatic to revive him again and just threaten to destroy him himself if he tries to betray him again. After being killed again, Sombra would have probably realized that Grogar was right and they do need to work together. Sombras failure could still serve as a warning to the other villains. Show them how he lost, have Sombra back it up himself, tell Sombra and the others that if they ever try to turn on him again he will destroy them himself and leave them dead. Sombra was clearly the most powerful of the four recruits. Cozy is a kid, Chrysalis at her base power is far below the princesses, and Tirek is only in his second stage, a stage which the princesses stated wouldn't be so bad if he didn't have Discord helping him. Sombra required both Luna and Celestia to be defeated 1000 years ago, so he should be the most powerful of the four in their current forms. Why not keep a powerful ally like that?
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** Voluntarily giving up the throne to a successor has been a thing in many societies through history. Technically its called "abdication" (and can be forceful, or voluntary). In some societies it was a rare event, happening only in extreme and often violent circumstances, while in others it was considered routine.
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** Judging by how we saw its energy move through the roots at the end of season 8, the tree's actual spirit/presence isn't normally in that underground area but rather is a place it can sometimes inhabit. The aboveground tree seems to be the tree's actual being/core, and even if the student six didn't know this, since the tree told them it needed their help, they would want to go to the part they knew had been in trouble.
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* Don't people of royalty rule until they die? How are monarchs allowed to retire?
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*** The second theory is more likely the more I thought of it (even before I saw this reply). His line and nickname seem ambiguous.
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** Alternatively, perhaps he didn't create those monsters. Perhaps he created other ones, or perhaps he created their ancestors and the monsters developed over time to be more than what he initially made them to be.
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** They might block attempts to dispel their effects.
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** Perhaps they have forgotten about their original purposes due to Grogar being away for a (''very'') long time?, but he may rectify that once he gets his full power back.
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** To make the brainwashed royal guards more intimidating perhaps?
* If Grogar created the creatures we see in the show, then why give them humanizing and positive traits (Such as the Manticore from the first two episodes being actually decent when he doesn't have a thorn stuck in this paw and the cockatrice that fled when Fluttershy told it off while using the stare.) Shouldn't he have made them emotionless and mindless and obedient only to him?
* If Grogar created the creatures we see in the show, then why give them humanizing and positive traits (Such as the Manticore from the first two episodes being actually decent when he doesn't have a thorn stuck in this paw and the cockatrice that fled when Fluttershy told it off while using the stare.) Shouldn't he have made them emotionless and mindless and obedient only to him?
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* If Sombra can mind control ponies with his own magic, then what are the helmets for?
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** Not to mention Flim and Flam are some of the most successful villains. They've always got away (sometimes with the profits of their schemes) and outright won in "Viva Las Pegasus".
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** I suspect considering he's been gone for a while now, that Ahuizotl might have been permanently defeated at some point. Grogar might have had a 'one resurrection limit', and Sombra won that spot.
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** They also wouldn't join him, or more likely ''instantly'' betray him. Flim and Flam are fundamentally opposed to the group's motives, in a very real sense they positively thrive on peace, harmony and prosperity.
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*** I don't think having minions = cooperation in Grogar's eyes, and Flim and Flam are probably beneath his notice as all they care about is money and fame. His plan seems to be to not simply work together but to do it better.
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** Presumably she's speaking of the general state of the nation. Yes there have been many threats, but they've all been resolved in a matter of days at most with few long term effects. Compared to protracted wars and such (who knows just what Celestia dealt with for the past thousand years) the nation indeed has had a long period of "harmony". Not to mention how long-standing distrust and animosity toward and from neighboring species and nations has been reduced to an unprecedented degree, increasing harmony even more.
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** It's easy. He didn't think of them as a serious threat. The only one who actually knows that is Twilight.
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** Which raises another question, why does he think teamwork would help. The Flim Flam Brothers (Yes I know he didn't summon them but he did witness the four summoned villains so why not them too?) worked together and they still failed. Plus Chrysalis used to have minions and she still lost too.
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* Did Luna seriously say that Equestria was at it's most peaceful in years? With all these threats having gone through throughout the series and the brief conquest of Canterlot in the movie, it seems to be anything but peaceful.
* Since Flim and Flam are one of the alternate timelines (in fact the second worst one) why did Grogar not summon them?
* Since Flim and Flam are one of the alternate timelines (in fact the second worst one) why did Grogar not summon them?
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** I think that's the basis of a future season 9 episode.
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** Ahuizotl doesn't really have any special powers or knowledge that could benefit Grogar as far as we know.know, and Grogar seemed to be going for villains who had bigger ambitions than Ahuizotl. As for Pony of Shadows, opening a portal to Limbo may be beyond even Grogar's powers. Alternatively, getting an eldritch being like it to cooperate with his plan may be impossible. Recall the Pony of Shadows didn't want to rule Equestria, it wanted to make Equestria into a reflection of itself.
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** Recall at the end of the episode that featured Daybreaker, Twilight demanded Starlight tell her every detail of what had happened. Presumably that would include Starlight using her magic to project an image of what Daybreaker looked like.
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* How did Twilight Sparkle know about Daybreaker such that Celestia turning into her was part of her greatest fear?
* Grogar's LegionOfDoom is missing a few villains that could add to its effectiveness in achieving its goals. Even if Nightmare Moon and Discord are off the table, why not recruit Ahuizotl or unleash the Pony of Shadows and let it take Cozy Glow as a host (especially considering how weak she is compared to the other villains)?
* Grogar's LegionOfDoom is missing a few villains that could add to its effectiveness in achieving its goals. Even if Nightmare Moon and Discord are off the table, why not recruit Ahuizotl or unleash the Pony of Shadows and let it take Cozy Glow as a host (especially considering how weak she is compared to the other villains)?
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*** Considering what Tirek did to Discord, I'd say this is likely the case.
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* Ok so Grogar used Sombra as an example to the other villains about why a villain team-up is necessary, but isn't forcing them to work for him counterproductive. The reason why the Mane Six work together is because they really care for each other and aren't forced to be friends so why couldn't he at least try to be friendly to them. Plus he may be able to make them fall in line but how is he going to make them like each other. [[PragmaticVillainy It's not like any of the villains joined forces out of any moral standards.]] Wouldn't it benefit him more if he just said to them "I know You you guys aren't the teamwork type but you all want the same thing, destroy the Mane Six. If you join forces with each other and me, you can go your own separate ways once we win" instead of go "work with me or else"? I get that Grogar is evil, but he is supposed to be wise enough to realise the teamwork of the Mane Six and exploit it by doing the same thing, so he should know better than being unnecessarily cruel.
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** As noted above, on his own Storm King doesn't offer much to Grogar. He was a threat because he had magical items, technology and an army. If he were to be brought back to life he'd have access to none of those things anymore. Plus, resurrection may not be all that easy even for Grogar, so he'll choose his targets carefully.
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** He did offer that they would rule Equestria together as a reward. However, Grogar seems to be operating under a stance that affection and perhaps trust isn't vital, only cooperation is. Also, perhaps in his mind he's far from being all that cruel given he did rescue Tirek and Cozy from Tartarus and gave Chrysalis a group to belong to again.
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* Ok so Grogar used Sombra as an example to the other villains about why a villain team-up is necessary, but isn't forcing them to work for him counterproductive. The reason why the Mane Six work together is because they really care for each other and aren't forced to be friends so why couldn't he at least try to be friendly to them. Plus he may be able to make them fall in line but how is he going to make them like each other. [[PragmaticVillainy It's not like any of the villains joined forces out of any moral standards.]] Wouldn't it benefit him more if he just said to them "I know You guys aren't the teamwork type but you all want the same thing, destroy the Mane Six. If you join forces with each other and me, you can go your own separate ways once we win" instead of go "work with me or else"? I get that Grogar is evil, but he is supposed to be wise enough to realise the teamwork of the Mane Six and exploit it by doing the same thing, so he should know better than being unnecessarily cruel.
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** I meant revive the Storm King as well as Sombra, not instead of him.
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** Sombra brings far more to the table than the Storm King, making it worth the effort of resurrecting him. The Storm King's qualities were personal charisma, a reputation as a badass, good people management skills, a huge army and vast personal fortune. Not only are most of those things of limited use working in secret, they were either lost or highly compromised by his defeat.
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* What changed Sombra from hardly talkative Sauron expy to talkative and smug supervillain? Sure he is still the chessmaster and crazy prepared tyrant he was, but it was toned down to the standard MLP villain kind of villain. Wasn't the whole part of not speaking much beyond a few words because he was a no-nonsense enemy who knew not to do the typical defeat by arrogance?
* What changed Sombra from hardly talkative Sauron expy to talkative and smug supervillain? Sure he is still the chessmaster and crazy prepared tyrant he was, but it was toned down to the standard MLP villain kind of villain. Wasn't the whole part of not speaking much beyond a few words because he was a no-nonsense enemy who knew not to do the typical defeat by arrogance?
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