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*** I'll come up with a response when you two stop doing the ad hominem...ah,screw it. No matter what you say, FOB isn't emo. Emo is crying because your girlfriend left or some tepid shit like that. If actually looked at their lyrics instead of [[CriticalResearchFailure failing at research/not giving a damn]] you'd notice that almost none of their songs are like that. Yes, they always have "the one emo song", but that's ''not'' what they are about. FOB owes their success to ''being a good band'', except for their last album, which was just [[SoBadItsHorrible bad]]. Oh, and they're not whiny and have a lot of male fans such as myself. And you can believe whatever crap your mind wants to believe, because I'm done arguing with idiots whose flimsy debates are so easy to counter.

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*** I'll come up with a response when you two stop doing the ad hominem...ah,screw it. No matter what you say, FOB isn't emo. Emo is crying because your girlfriend left or some tepid shit like that. If you actually looked at their lyrics instead of [[CriticalResearchFailure failing at research/not giving a damn]] you'd notice that almost none of their songs are like that. Yes, they always have "the one emo song", but that's ''not'' what they are about. FOB owes their success to ''being a good band'', except for their last album, which was just [[SoBadItsHorrible bad]]. Oh, and they're not whiny and have a lot of male fans such as myself. And you can believe whatever crap your mind wants to believe, because I'm done arguing with idiots whose flimsy debates are so easy to counter.counter.
*** Unlike the [=OP=], [[WorthyOpponent you seem like a calm and decent enough person]] to carry on this discussion with. I'll grant you that they're not a horrible band, seeing as they have decent exposure from music outlets and have catchy enough songs that even I can begrudgingly enjoy. If they were ''horrible'', they'd just toil in obscurity and I'd never have to deal with anyone from their fanbase. As for the part of the fanbase that is male, notice that I said ''most'' of [=FOB=]'s target audience seem to be teenage girls. Maybe it's because I grew up with [[NuMetal a different, but no less regrettable, form of rock music that dominated the charts]], but I just can't feasibly imagine anyone with a shred of testosterone would be attracted to scene music. However, I also listen to J-pop anime openings, so what the hell do I know about typical masculine listening habits? Anyway, it doesn't change the fact that this [=JBM=] entry was created by someone who's [[FanHater insanely defensive]] and [[BerserkButton easily-aggravated]]. Christ, look at the [[ClusterFBomb gratuitous use of the word "fucker"]] to refer to anyone with a disagreement and general immaturity of the [=OP=]. I shudder to think he or she is older than 14.
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*** I'll come up with a response when you two stop doing the ad hominem...ah,screw it. No matter what you say, FOB isn't emo. Emo is crying because your girlfriend left or some tepid shit like that. If actually looked at their lyrics instead of [[CriticalResearchFailure failing at research/not giving a damn]] you'd notice that almost none of their songs are like that. Yes, they always have "the one emo song", but that's ''not'' what they are about. FOB owes their success to ''being a good band'', except for their last album, which was just [[SoBadItsHorrible. bad]]. Oh, and they're not whiny and have a lot of male fans such as myself. And you can believe whatever crap your mind wants to believe, because I'm done arguing with idiots whose flimsy debates are so easy to counter.

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*** I'll come up with a response when you two stop doing the ad hominem...ah,screw it. No matter what you say, FOB isn't emo. Emo is crying because your girlfriend left or some tepid shit like that. If actually looked at their lyrics instead of [[CriticalResearchFailure failing at research/not giving a damn]] you'd notice that almost none of their songs are like that. Yes, they always have "the one emo song", but that's ''not'' what they are about. FOB owes their success to ''being a good band'', except for their last album, which was just [[SoBadItsHorrible. [[SoBadItsHorrible bad]]. Oh, and they're not whiny and have a lot of male fans such as myself. And you can believe whatever crap your mind wants to believe, because I'm done arguing with idiots whose flimsy debates are so easy to counter.
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*** I'll come up with a response when you two stop doing the ad hominem...ah,screw it. No matter what you say, FOB isn't emo. Emo is crying because your girlfriend left or some tepid shit like that. If actually looked at their lyrics instead of [[CriticalResearchFailure failing at research/not giving a damn]] you'd notice that almost none of their songs are like that. Yes, they always have "the one emo song", but that's ''not'' what they are about. FOB owes their success to ''being a good band'', except for their last album, which was just [[SoBadItsHorrible. bad]]. Oh, and they're not whiny and have a lot of male fans such as myself. And you can believe whatever crap your mind wants to believe, because I'm done arguing with idiots whose flimsy debates are so easy to fix.

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*** I'll come up with a response when you two stop doing the ad hominem...ah,screw it. No matter what you say, FOB isn't emo. Emo is crying because your girlfriend left or some tepid shit like that. If actually looked at their lyrics instead of [[CriticalResearchFailure failing at research/not giving a damn]] you'd notice that almost none of their songs are like that. Yes, they always have "the one emo song", but that's ''not'' what they are about. FOB owes their success to ''being a good band'', except for their last album, which was just [[SoBadItsHorrible. bad]]. Oh, and they're not whiny and have a lot of male fans such as myself. And you can believe whatever crap your mind wants to believe, because I'm done arguing with idiots whose flimsy debates are so easy to fix.counter.
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***I'll come up with a response when you two stop doing the ad hominem...ah,screw it. No matter what you say, FOB isn't emo. Emo is crying because your girlfriend left or some tepid shit like that. If actually looked at their lyrics instead of [[CriticalResearchFailure failing at research/not giving a damn]] you'd notice that almost none of their songs are like that. Yes, they always have "the one emo song", but that's ''not'' what they are about. FOB owes their success to ''being a good band'', except for their last album, which was just [[SoBadItsHorrible. bad]]. Oh, and they're not whiny and have a lot of male fans such as myself. And you can believe whatever crap your mind wants to believe, because I'm done arguing with idiots whose flimsy debates are so easy to fix.
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** Did I just get called butthurt by someone who reacted like that? Unless I'm [[{{Dogma}} God]] [[IsntItIronic or]] [[AlanisMorissette something]], there's a [[{{Irony}} word]] for that. And who the hell is this MasterInferno guy and why do you share half of my handle?! People will think I have a SockPuppet, FFS! However, I do agree with what [=MI=] said; you play whiny pop punk for a fanbase comprised mainly of training bras, you're emo as far as this century is concerned. And if you're emo, the only reason your band gained any recognition is because you were shilled by corporations. I'll bend and say "Thnks fr th Mmrs" was a hell of an EarWorm, but that's it. Fall Out Boy owe their success to ludicrous overplay and pandering to an irrelevant audience.

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** Did I just get called butthurt by someone who reacted like that? Unless I'm [[{{Dogma}} God]] [[IsntItIronic or]] [[AlanisMorissette something]], there's a [[{{Irony}} word]] for that. And who the hell is this MasterInferno guy and why do you share half of my handle?! People will think I have a SockPuppet, FFS! However, I do agree with what [=MI=] said; you play whiny pop punk for a fanbase comprised mainly of training bras, you're emo as far as this century is concerned. And if you're emo, the only reason your band gained any recognition is because you were shilled by corporations. I'll bend and say "Thnks fr th Mmrs" was a hell of an EarWorm, but that's it. Fall Out Boy owe their success to ludicrous overplay and pandering to an irrelevant audience.audience, such as the [=OP=]. The way you've presented yourself here leads me to believe you lack perspective. It's not like being a fan of Fall Out Boy is like being part of a long oppressed minority.
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Howdy. I've actually been using the name Master Inferno for years now, and I had pretty much the same reaction that you did when I saw your user name. hehehe
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** Did I just get called butthurt by someone who reacted like that? Unless I'm [[{{Dogma}} God]] [[IsntItIronic or]] [[AlanisMorissette something]], there's a [[{{Irony}} word]] for that. Note, I'm a different [[KitsuneInferno Inferno]] that that Master Inferno guy who flipped your whiny retort on you. If that was my SockPuppet, I'd do a more creative job. However, I do agree with what he said; you play whiny pop punk for an audience comprised mainly of training bras, you're emo as far as this century is concerned. And if you're emo, the only reason your band gained any recognition is because you were shilled by corporations. I'll bend and say "Thnks fr th Mmrs" was a hell of an EarWorm, but that's it. Fall Out Boy owe their success to ludicrous overplay and pandering to an irrelevant audience.

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** Did I just get called butthurt by someone who reacted like that? Unless I'm [[{{Dogma}} God]] [[IsntItIronic or]] [[AlanisMorissette something]], there's a [[{{Irony}} word]] for that. Note, I'm a different [[KitsuneInferno Inferno]] that that Master Inferno And who the hell is this MasterInferno guy who flipped your whiny retort on you. If that was and why do you share half of my handle?! People will think I have a SockPuppet, I'd do a more creative job. FFS! However, I do agree with what he [=MI=] said; you play whiny pop punk for an audience a fanbase comprised mainly of training bras, you're emo as far as this century is concerned. And if you're emo, the only reason your band gained any recognition is because you were shilled by corporations. I'll bend and say "Thnks fr th Mmrs" was a hell of an EarWorm, but that's it. Fall Out Boy owe their success to ludicrous overplay and pandering to an irrelevant audience.
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*** Ha ha, Wow.The butthurt Metal Fanboys came out just like I predicted. Sorry, honey, I don't care about you opinion. FOB is still one of my favorite bands, and you just ''proved what I said''. You say I have questionable taste (which is a purely subjective thing) in Music because I like one band, despite the fact that I listen to far more than just them. The Irony is amazing. And FOB didn't do it for the money, you stupid metal-fucker, they do it because they like playing music. They are far better than the crap that gets shoved out of the corporate asshole today, because they actually give a damn about making good music. And they're not emo, which [[CriticalResearchFailure would be obvious to anyone who actually gave a damn and did some research.]]
**** Ha ha, Wow.The butthurt FOB Fanboy came out just like I predicted. Sorry, honey, I don't care about you opinion. Metal is still one of my favorite genres, and you just ''proved what I said''. You say I have questionable taste (which is a purely subjective thing) in Music because I like one genre, despite the fact that I listen to far more than just that. The Irony is amazing. And metal bands didn't do it for the money, you stupid FOB-fucker, they do it because they like playing music. They are far better than the crap that gets shoved out of the corporate asshole today, because they actually give a damn about making good music. And they're not "not exactly that good", which [[CriticalResearchFailure would be obvious to anyone who actually gave a damn and did some research.]]
** I've experience this as well. Let someone know yo

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*** Ha ha, Wow.The butthurt Metal Fanboys came out just like I predicted. Sorry, honey, I don't care about you opinion. FOB [=FOB=] is still one of my favorite bands, and you just ''proved what I said''. You say I have questionable taste (which is a purely subjective thing) in Music because I like one band, despite the fact that I listen to far more than just them. The Irony is amazing. And FOB didn't do it for the money, you stupid metal-fucker, they do it because they like playing music. They are far better than the crap that gets shoved out of the corporate asshole today, because they actually give a damn about making good music. And they're not emo, which [[CriticalResearchFailure would be obvious to anyone who actually gave a damn and did some research.]]
**** *** Ha ha, Wow.The butthurt FOB [=FOB=] Fanboy came out just like I predicted. Sorry, honey, I don't care about you opinion. Metal is still one of my favorite genres, and you just ''proved what I said''. You say I have questionable taste (which is a purely subjective thing) in Music because I like one genre, despite the fact that I listen to far more than just that. The Irony is amazing. And metal bands didn't do it for the money, you stupid FOB-fucker, they do it because they like playing music. They are far better than the crap that gets shoved out of the corporate asshole today, because they actually give a damn about making good music. And they're not "not exactly that good", which [[CriticalResearchFailure would be obvious to anyone who actually gave a damn and did some research.]]
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** I've experience this as well. Let Did I just get called butthurt by someone know yowho reacted like that? Unless I'm [[{{Dogma}} God]] [[IsntItIronic or]] [[AlanisMorissette something]], there's a [[{{Irony}} word]] for that. Note, I'm a different [[KitsuneInferno Inferno]] that that Master Inferno guy who flipped your whiny retort on you. If that was my SockPuppet, I'd do a more creative job. However, I do agree with what he said; you play whiny pop punk for an audience comprised mainly of training bras, you're emo as far as this century is concerned. And if you're emo, the only reason your band gained any recognition is because you were shilled by corporations. I'll bend and say "Thnks fr th Mmrs" was a hell of an EarWorm, but that's it. Fall Out Boy owe their success to ludicrous overplay and pandering to an irrelevant audience.
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**** Ha ha, Wow.The butthurt FOB Fanboy came out just like I predicted. Sorry, honey, I don't care about you opinion. Metal is still one of my favorite genres, and you just ''proved what I said''. You say I have questionable taste (which is a purely subjective thing) in Music because I like one genre, despite the fact that I listen to far more than just that. The Irony is amazing. And metal bands didn't do it for the money, you stupid FOB-fucker, they do it because they like playing music. They are far better than the crap that gets shoved out of the corporate asshole today, because they actually give a damn about making good music. And they're not "not exactly that good", which [[CriticalResearchFailure would be obvious to anyone who actually gave a damn and did some research.]]
** I've experience this as well. Let someone know yo
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** I always thought (backed by several definitions of the word song) that the words were what separated "songs" from regular music. If that's the case, then the lyrics would be that important.
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* I was just wondering, isn't a Crowning Music of Awesome for Music itself redundant (Unless its about music within another piece of music)? Or in other words, shouldn't this section be in Real Life?
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***Ha ha, Wow.The butthurt Metal Fanboys came out just like I predicted. Sorry, honey, I don't care about you opinion. FOB is still one of my favorite bands, and you just ''proved what I said''. You say I have questionable taste (which is a purely subjective thing) in Music because I like one band, despite the fact that I listen to far more than just them. The Irony is amazing. And FOB didn't do it for the money, you stupid metal-fucker, they do it because they like playing music. They are far better than the crap that gets shoved out of the corporate asshole today, because they actually give a damn about making good music. And they're not emo, which [[CriticalResearchFailure would be obvious to anyone who actually gave a damn and did some research.]]
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* "World" music. I do enjoy listening to tunes from all over the globe, but why this term? To [[{{Tropers/Myles}} this troper]]'s ears, "world music" seems to means "music that isn't from the West and sounds foreign enough" - wouldn't that be kind of exclusionary? I mean, wouldn't someone from Africa/Asia/wherever else scoff at the idea of some Westerner calling their traditional music "world music"? And despite the impact of American pop culture on the rest of the world, would you hear those in said places referring to Western pop music as "world music"?
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** I've experience this as well. Let someone know you like a particular band and they will think you're gay, even members of the band.
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** Don't worry. It's not your [[YourMilageMayVary questionable taste]] in music we're judging you on. [[{{Troll}} It's your knee-jerk reaction]]. Also, consider the fact that members of Fall Out Boy used to be in metal bands before they started playing alternative/emo. [[MoneyDearBoy Only for the money and fame]].

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** Don't worry. It's not your [[YourMilageMayVary questionable taste]] in music we're judging you on. [[{{Troll}} It's your knee-jerk reaction]]. Also, consider the fact that members of Fall Out Boy used to be in metal metalcore/hardcore bands before they started playing alternative/emo. [[MoneyDearBoy Only for the money and fame]].
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** Don't worry. It's not your [[YourMilageMayVary questionable taste]] in music we're judging you on. [[{{Troll}} It's your knee-jerk reaction]]. Also, consider the fact that members of Fall Out Boy used to be in metal bands before they started playing alternative/emo. [[MoneyDearBoy Only for the money and fame]].
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*It really bugs me that people judge me just because I listen to a band, I only like music from that Genre. Seriously, just because I FallOutBoy is one of my favorite bands, doesn't mean that I only listen to the crap that the mainstream pushes out. (Now I can't wait for some stuck-up-his-ass Metal[[strike:fucker]]head to proclaim that I have no taste in music, [[TakeThat even though his choice of music isn't exactly that good either.]]

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*It really bugs me that people judge me just because I listen to a band, I only like music from that Genre. Seriously, just because I FallOutBoy is one of my favorite bands, doesn't mean that I only listen to the crap that the mainstream pushes out. (Now I can't wait for some stuck-up-his-ass Metal[[strike:fucker]]head to proclaim that I have no taste in music, [[TakeThat even though his choice of music isn't exactly that good either.]]
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*It really bugs me that people judge me just because I listen to a band, I only like music from that Genre. Seriously, just because I FallOutBoy is one of my favorite bands, doesn't mean that I only listen to the crap that the mainstream pushes out. (Now I can't wait for some stuck-up-his-ass Metal[[strike:fucker]]head to proclaim that I have no taste in music, [[TakeThat even though his choice of music isn't exactly that good either.]]
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** That's basically the main reason why some performers don't care about people pirating their own music; live shows and merchandise have been the big money-making opportunities for a while now.
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*** How the fuck is metal just screaming and people who can't play their instruments when a) Most of the biggest metal bands in the world, i.e. Iron Maiden, Metallica, Judas Priest, Black Sabbath, etc, EXCLUSIVELY USE MELODIC SINGING? And b) certain forms of metal are pretty widely considered to be some of the hardest styles to play on any instrument, tech death for example, and even those that aren't the most difficult in the world need you be very very tight on your instrument at least (unless you're in Venom). You shouldn't make such ridiculous assumptions when you clearly have no idea what the hell you're talking about and probably just caught some Slipknot song on MTV at some point and heard someone call it "metal". On this whole subject, it really fucking bugs me that, ever since the 90s, metal has just been associated with screaming and noise, and, by, extension, how a lot of these "modern metal" fans seem to be trying to retcon traditional heavy metal bands like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden into being considered "classic rock". Now, to be fair, people this stupid are pretty damn rare, but they're present and they piss me off.
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** Tell that to American Idol.
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*** See that's the problem. Nobody know the genres. All you can go with is your own experience. Nobody is saying thet metal(loose definition) isn't music, just that you may not be a snob just because you dislike it you may be trying to call another person out for being a metal snob. Like if you say that people who listen to classical music only do it because they want to seem educated. Metal as you define it probably has a melody and recognizable lyrics and can thus be compared to pop, or rock etc.

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*** See that's the problem. Nobody know the genres. All you can go with is your own experience. Nobody is saying thet metal(loose definition) isn't music, just that you may not be a snob just because you dislike it you may be trying to call another person out for being a metal snob. Like if you say that people who listen to classical music only do it because they want to seem educated. Metal as you define it probably has a melody and recognizable lyrics and can thus be compared to pop, or rock etc.etc in terms of something our ears reconize as music.
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*** See that's the problem. Nobody know the genres. All you can go with is your own experience. Nobody is saying thet metal(loose definition) isn't music, just that you may not be a snob just because you dislike it you may be trying to call another person out for being a metal snob. Like if you say that people who listen to classical music only do it because they want to seem educated. Metal as you define it probably has a melody and recognizable lyrics and can thus be compared to pop, or rock etc.

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I really hate having to post this, but the "URGH IT'S JUST SCREAMING" mentality bugs me, as does the idea that I listen to Death and Carcass to appear "dark and edgy".


** Maybe bacuse heavy metal(or whatever you wanna call it),to my ears at least, have no melodi, no singing,no rhytm you can't hear what the singer is screaming so you can't really hear any lyrics. It seems to be just a screaming guy standing around with a lot of people who can't play instruments. Now this may very well be wrong and you have to have an ear for it to be able to recognize the music in it. I think in reference to any other music it can be snobs, but in reference to this it can basically be trying to call the fans out in an "emperors new clothes" way because of the "oh, I'm so edgy "image we feel they're trying to project.

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** Maybe bacuse heavy metal(or whatever you wanna call it),to my ears at least, have no melodi, no singing,no rhytm you can't hear what the singer is screaming so you can't really hear any lyrics. It seems to be just a screaming guy standing around with a lot of people who can't play instruments. Now this may very well be wrong and you have to have an ear for it to be able to recognize the music in it. I think in reference to any other music it can be snobs, but in reference to this it can basically be trying to call the fans out in an "emperors new clothes" way because of the "oh, I'm so edgy "image we feel they're trying to project. project.
*** You haven't listened to much metal at all if you think it's all screaming, no singing, rhythm or melody, and no instrumental ability; I mean, Iron Maiden, possibly the biggest metal band of them all, defeats that sterotype effortlessly, as do Black Sabbath, Judas Priest, Dio, Accept, Saxon, Candlemass, Diamond Head, Mercyful Fate, Dream Theater, Queensryche, Fates Warning, Metallica, the large majority of PowerMetal bands... yeah, I'll stop here. As for snobs calling metalheads out on "acting edgy"... no. Most metal fans don't listen to metal just because it's "dark", "edgy", "heavy", "insert word here"; they listen to it because they like the sound, and they're not trying to project an image. Those who listen to metal purely because they think it makes them look dark and edgy are poseurs, pure and simple; if snobs think that all metal fans are like that, then they're just idiots (though considering that they believe in the idea of "real music", that was obvious anyway).

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**I do buy music. I still buy vinyls, in fact. What you're complaining about is not the only part of the music industry. If it pisses you off so much, find somewhere where you can get underground stuff you can appreciate, or find some people who really appreciate music and get their suggestions. There's plenty of bands out there that do everything themselves and play it for the expression, it's just a matter of finding them.

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**I do buy music. I still buy vinyls, in fact. What you're complaining about is not the only part of the music industry. If it pisses you off so much, find somewhere where you can get underground stuff you can appreciate, or find some people who really appreciate music and get their suggestions. There's plenty of bands out there that do everything themselves and play it for the expression, it's just a matter of finding them. them.
** I do. Computer downloads are such a pain in the ass, and they seem like a cheat. Or maybe I'm just being stubbornly old-fashioned. By the way, OP, switch to decaf.
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** What ''I'' can't stand is when the printed lyrics are so utterly different from the sung ones (some examples: "Land of Sunshine" by Faith No More and "Air" by Talking Heads). I can see how some people might consider that a fascinating lesson in how different a song often is when conceived from how it ends up, but the more important thing is the listener being properly informed. When the written lyrics are different we still have to piece it together ourselves to some degree, completely taking away the point of including them at all.
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** Maybe bacuse heavy metal(or whatever you wanna call it),to my ears at least, have no melodi, no singing,no rhytm you can't hear what the singer is screaming so you can't really hear any lyrics. It seems to be just a screaming guy standing around with a lot of people who can't play instruments. Now this may very well be wrong and you have to have an ear for it to be able to recognize the music in it. I think in reference to any other music it can be snobs, but in reference to this it can basically be trying to call the fans out in an "emperors new clothes" way because of the "oh, I'm so edgy "image we feel they're trying to project.
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** The greatest voice in pop music today: k.d. lang.

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