History Headscratchers / MoulinRouge

10th Jun '16 3:19:39 PM ShadowWingLG
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** A deleted scene helps explain this, adding the electric lights and such to the Moulin had sunk Zidler deep into debt, and the profits from the nightclub weren't cutting it so in order to pay off the old debt AND have enough left over for the conversion to a theater he needed an outside investor. Satine was the bait for Duke and her job was to convince him to invest in the club to theater scheme.
7th Jun '16 3:53:25 PM fearlessnikki
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** The club has electricity, which wasn't at all cheap in the early 1900s. The Moulin Rouge could have barely been scraping even. They need the Duke to both be the financer - giving them enough money to convert to a theatre - and their patron - getting respectable, wealthy names in the seats once it's open.


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** The Duke shows himself to be a {{Yandere}} and it's entirely possible that he would have thrown the deal out if he knew Satine was dying. Presumably Zidler was hoping that Satine would survive long enough for the initial performances of the new theatre.


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** They're not exactly able to set aside time to find new performers in addition to all the other work that needs to be done. The Argentinian just might be good enough to justify keeping him on while money is scarce. Maybe he never fell asleep during a performance before.


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** It's also possible she was jealous and wanted to knock Satine down a peg or two.


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** Maybe consumption wasn't what she had? Christian is the one telling the story and - like ''many'' writers of the 19th and early 20th centuries - didn't quite know how the disease worked. Given that she was a high class prostitute, it's possible she had an STD of some kind. Christian of course would know nothing about those kinds of diseases (no TV or internet to let him in on the facts), and just assumed consumption was what she died of.
10th Jan '16 2:53:37 PM kalliston
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* Why were the prostitutes at the Moulin Rouge called "Diamond Dogs"? I know it's supposed to be a reference to the song of the same name, but I read that in the past, such as the 19th Century the movie takes place in, calling someone a dog was considered a harsh insult. So in that case, wouldn't that sort of be [[SnarkBait giving the people who don't like prostitution a free pass to make fun of them]]? Zidler [[DidntThinkThisThrough didn't think that through]].

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* Why were the prostitutes at the Moulin Rouge called "Diamond Dogs"? I know it's supposed to be a reference to the song of the same name, but I read that in the past, such as the 19th Century the movie takes place in, calling someone a dog was considered a harsh insult. So in that case, wouldn't that sort of be [[SnarkBait giving the people who don't like prostitution a free pass to make fun of them]]? Zidler [[DidntThinkThisThrough didn't think that through]].through]].
** It's possible it was an AppropriatedAppellation -- calling people dogs, especially women, isn't such a terrific idea now (cf. "bitch" as an insult) or in David Bowie's day, but paired with the glamorous and beautiful associations of the word "diamond", it might have been an insult slung at the women of the Moulin Rouge that stuck, or a self-deprecating moniker referencing both the dance hall's glitzy aesthetic and the women's harsh way of life.
13th Oct '15 3:31:58 PM creativename24
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** Shouldn't Zidler have told the Duke about Satine's consumption? [[FridgeHorror Or was Zidler trying to indirectly murder him using Satine?]]
22nd Jul '15 7:11:03 PM Demetrios
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* Why were the prostitutes at the Moulin Rouge called "Diamond Dogs"? I know it's supposed to be a reference to the song of the same name, but I read that in the past, such as the 19th Century the movie takes place in, calling someone a dog was considered a harsh insult. So in that case, wouldn't that sort of be [[SnarkBait giving the people who don't like prostitution a free pass to make fun of them]]? Ziddler [[DidntThinkThisThrough didn't think that through]].

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* Why were the prostitutes at the Moulin Rouge called "Diamond Dogs"? I know it's supposed to be a reference to the song of the same name, but I read that in the past, such as the 19th Century the movie takes place in, calling someone a dog was considered a harsh insult. So in that case, wouldn't that sort of be [[SnarkBait giving the people who don't like prostitution a free pass to make fun of them]]? Ziddler Zidler [[DidntThinkThisThrough didn't think that through]].
21st Jul '15 1:20:37 PM Demetrios
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** ''Moulin Rouge!'' is not at all realistic. Aside from people randomly breaking into song (and singing stuff that wasn't yet written in 1900), it's quite often almost cartoonish. If one accepts that, Satine not infecting others is not at all a stretch.

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** ''Moulin Rouge!'' is not at all realistic. Aside from people randomly breaking into song (and singing stuff that wasn't yet written in 1900), it's quite often almost cartoonish. If one accepts that, Satine not infecting others is not at all a stretch.stretch.
* Why were the prostitutes at the Moulin Rouge called "Diamond Dogs"? I know it's supposed to be a reference to the song of the same name, but I read that in the past, such as the 19th Century the movie takes place in, calling someone a dog was considered a harsh insult. So in that case, wouldn't that sort of be [[SnarkBait giving the people who don't like prostitution a free pass to make fun of them]]? Ziddler [[DidntThinkThisThrough didn't think that through]].
22nd Nov '14 2:12:54 AM Aquila89
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** Moulin Rouge! is not at all realistic. Aside from people randomly breaking into song (and singing stuff that wasn't yet written in 1900), it's quite often almost cartoonish. If one accepts that, Satine not infecting others is not at all a stretch.

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** Moulin Rouge! ''Moulin Rouge!'' is not at all realistic. Aside from people randomly breaking into song (and singing stuff that wasn't yet written in 1900), it's quite often almost cartoonish. If one accepts that, Satine not infecting others is not at all a stretch.
22nd Nov '14 2:12:33 AM Aquila89
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* Shouldn't everyone in the film have died from consumption due to all their contact with Satine? She had the contagious kind.

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* Shouldn't everyone in the film have died from consumption due to all their contact with Satine? She had the contagious kind.kind.
** Moulin Rouge! is not at all realistic. Aside from people randomly breaking into song (and singing stuff that wasn't yet written in 1900), it's quite often almost cartoonish. If one accepts that, Satine not infecting others is not at all a stretch.
8th Aug '14 4:34:52 PM silentheartsong
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** My impression was that she was afraid Satine was jeopardizing matters with the Duke (thus the future of the Moulin Rouge, thus the income of everyone who worked there) by messing around with Christian on the side. So she likely figured if the truth were exposed, Satine would be forced to dump Christian and everything could get back on track. Also the subtext of the Tango de Roxanne scene and how the Argentinian acts toward Nini suggests she has been a heartbreaker or source of ruin for men in the past. She may also have been jealous of Satine, either for being the star of the club and the show or for getting to have a love with Christian she could never have. On a related note to this, see the theory about her and the Argentinian on the WMG page.

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** My impression was that she was afraid Satine was jeopardizing matters with the Duke (thus the future of the Moulin Rouge, thus the income of everyone who worked there) by messing around with Christian on the side. So she likely figured if the truth were exposed, Satine would be forced to dump Christian and everything could get back on track. Also the subtext of the Tango de Roxanne scene and how the Argentinian acts toward Nini suggests she has been a heartbreaker or source of ruin for men in the past. She may also have been jealous of Satine, either for being the star of the club and the show or for getting to have a love with Christian she could never have. On a related note to this, see the theory about her and the Argentinian on the WMG page.page.
* Shouldn't everyone in the film have died from consumption due to all their contact with Satine? She had the contagious kind.
9th Feb '14 4:43:08 AM Ingonyama
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** My impression was that she was afraid Satine was jeopardizing matters with the Duke (thus the future of the Moulin Rouge, thus the income of everyone who worked there) by messing around with Christian on the side. So she likely figured if the truth were exposed, Satine would be forced to dump Christian and everything could get back on track. Also the subtext of the Tango de Roxanne scene and how the Argentinian acts toward Nini suggests she has been a heartbreaker or source of ruin for men in the past. She may also have been jealous of Satine, either for being the star of the club and the show or for getting to have a love with Christian she could never have.

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** My impression was that she was afraid Satine was jeopardizing matters with the Duke (thus the future of the Moulin Rouge, thus the income of everyone who worked there) by messing around with Christian on the side. So she likely figured if the truth were exposed, Satine would be forced to dump Christian and everything could get back on track. Also the subtext of the Tango de Roxanne scene and how the Argentinian acts toward Nini suggests she has been a heartbreaker or source of ruin for men in the past. She may also have been jealous of Satine, either for being the star of the club and the show or for getting to have a love with Christian she could never have. On a related note to this, see the theory about her and the Argentinian on the WMG page.
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