History Headscratchers / MoralOrel

26th Mar '17 10:38:55 AM ading
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** "Puppington" kinda sounds like "Puppet" as in technically in stop motion the figures are puppets.

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** "Puppington" kinda sounds like "Puppet" as in technically "Puppet"; technically, in stop motion motion, the figures are puppets.



* People say that Clay is abusive because he beats Orel. (Well, admittedly that's not the end of it.) Let's see, Orel has raped women, killed men, beat another child to a pulp, became a drug addict, and raised the dead, who then feasted upon the living. Seriously, [[AccidentalInnuendo is he getting off so hard]]?

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* People say that Clay is abusive because he beats Orel. (Well, admittedly that's not the end of it.) Let's see, Orel has raped women, killed men, beat another child to a pulp, became a drug addict, and raised the dead, who then feasted upon the living. Seriously, [[AccidentalInnuendo is he getting off so hard]]?hard?



** Maybe because every beating is actually for the completely wrong reasons. Orel raped women? He gets beaten up because he did so in an unholy manner(using a kitchen utensil). Beat another child to a pulp? He gets beaten for abandoning his old friends. Became a drug addict? He gets beaten for using slang. So his intentions are rather questionable, and you can argue spanking isn't the best punishment anyway. What I think is odd is that the one time Orel gets punished for something he did(for [[BloodBath bathing in his friends' blood]] in "Grounded") it's listed as a KickTheDog moment(even more so because the reason Clay resorted to grounding him was that the beatings were obviously not working anymore).
*** This makes me think Clay actually enjoys punishing Orel and comes up with excuses just to whack him. He even looks forward to Orel gulping as a signal that he's going to enjoy beating him. And he looks disappointed during the time Orel is looking forward to being beaten so he comes up with a way for Orel to be afraid of being beaten again.
** He wasn't exactly punished for bathing in his friends blood, Clay was more agitated at him 'messing up the upstairs bathroom'.

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** Maybe because every beating is actually for the completely wrong reasons. Orel raped women? He gets beaten up because he did so in an unholy manner(using manner (using a kitchen utensil). Beat another child to a pulp? He gets beaten for abandoning his old friends. Became a drug addict? He gets beaten for using slang. So his intentions are rather questionable, and you can argue spanking isn't the best punishment anyway. What I think is odd is that the one time Orel gets punished for something he did(for did (for [[BloodBath bathing in his friends' blood]] in "Grounded") it's listed as a KickTheDog moment(even moment (even more so because the reason Clay resorted to grounding him was that the beatings were obviously not working anymore).
*** This makes me think Clay actually enjoys punishing Orel and comes up with excuses just to whack him. He even looks forward to Orel gulping as a signal that he's going to enjoy beating him. And he looks disappointed during the time Orel is looking forward to being beaten beaten, so he comes up with a way for Orel to be afraid of being beaten again.
** He wasn't exactly punished for bathing in his friends blood, Clay was more agitated at him 'messing "messing up the upstairs bathroom'.bathroom".



*** Key word: responsibility: They'd have to assume the weight of Orel's actions (because he's really a kid who didn't know any better). Many of the show's calamities that involved Orel was he HEAVILY (and outright BAFFINGLY) misconstrued what they told him to do when he sought advice.
* In "Honor" Orel talks with Coach Stopframe and seems to be really hurt that Clay told everyone he killed the bear, and not Orel. But Orel himself was the one who refused to tell his father that he killed it out of spite, so why does he fell like his father should know he's lying all along?
** Clay doesn't take the blame for shooting Orel, because, as Clay said, he doesn't remember. However, he takes the credit of shooting the bear, even though he doesn't know that he did shoot the bear. It's just a huge slap in the face for Orel.

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*** Key word: responsibility: They'd have to assume the weight of Orel's actions (because he's really a kid who didn't know any better). Many of the show's calamities that involved Orel was were because he HEAVILY (and outright BAFFINGLY) BAFFLINGLY) misconstrued what they told him to do when he sought advice.
* In "Honor" Orel talks with Coach Stopframe and seems to be really hurt that Clay told everyone he killed the bear, and not Orel. But Orel himself was the one who refused to tell his father that he killed it out of spite, so why does he fell feel like his father should know he's lying all along?
** Clay doesn't take the blame for shooting Orel, because, as Clay said, he doesn't remember. However, he takes the credit of for shooting the bear, even though he doesn't know that he did shoot the bear. It's just a huge slap in the face for Orel.



* If Clay and Blobberta hate each other so much during Marriage then why did they have Orel in the first place? It also doesn't help that they neglect the boy and WordOfGod says that Orel is not a accident.

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* If Clay and Blobberta hate each other so much during Marriage much, then why did they have Orel in the first place? It also doesn't help that they neglect the boy and WordOfGod says that Orel is not a an accident.



** Extending on that last suggestion: It may have been a case in which they thought that they could've made out better than their parents and tried to do so, but ultimately failed in that regard and then couldn't back out for the sake of Orel and their reputations (especially with Clay being [[spoiler: The Mayor]].

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** Extending on that last suggestion: It may have been a case in which they thought that they could've made out better than their parents and tried to do so, but ultimately failed in that regard and then couldn't back out for the sake of Orel and their reputations (especially with Clay being [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:the Mayor]].



*** Probably a mixture of all those factors. Though I wonder if they took BabiesMakeEverythingBetter and twisted it to mean; "This marriage is horrible. Why should we suffer alone?"
*** It's probably more along the line of 'hey, maybe having a baby will 'fix' this marriage!'. Orel certainly wouldn't have been the first child conceived under this mindset.
* We all know that the characters have puns and injokes for names but in the case of Mr. Nohammers, he owns a hardware store called "Nohammers Hardware" and this results in hundreds of phone calls about if he has hammers and explains "Yes we have hammers, no that's my name!" Now the one thing that bothers me about this is if Mr. Nohammers is tired of those phone calls about hammers... '''Why doesn't he just change his name?''' it would be easy as that!

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*** Probably a mixture of all those factors. Though I wonder if they took BabiesMakeEverythingBetter and twisted it to mean; mean "This marriage is horrible. Why should we suffer alone?"
*** It's probably more along the line lines of 'hey, "hey, maybe having a baby will 'fix' ''fix'' this marriage!'.marriage!". Orel certainly wouldn't have been the first child conceived under this mindset.
* We all know that the characters have puns and injokes for names but in the case of Mr. Nohammers, he owns a hardware store called "Nohammers Hardware" and this results in hundreds of phone calls about if he has hammers and explains "Yes we have hammers, no that's my name!" Now the one thing that bothers me about this is if Mr. Nohammers is tired of those phone calls about hammers... '''Why doesn't he just change his name?''' it It would be easy as that!



* So far everyone in Moralton knows Clay is a horrible alcoholic so why hasn't anyone given him a intervention about his drinking?

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* So far far, everyone in Moralton knows Clay is a horrible alcoholic alcoholic, so why hasn't anyone given him a intervention about his drinking?



* Does Shapey and/or Block even go to school? Surely behavior such as theirs would not fly there.

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* Does Do Shapey and/or Block even go to school? Surely behavior such as theirs would not fly there.



* Why does Clay hate his "lousy stinkin' dead end job" as [[spoiler: Mayor of Moralton]] anyway? He seems focused on money even though [[spoiler: Mayor]] is a pretty good job.
** Clay seems like someone who's basically self-destructive enough to never be happy about anything. Plus being [[spoiler: Mayor probably involves a lot of work doing what's best for citizens]] and ultimately taking care of other people and judging by his interactions with his family, Clay deeply resents being obligated to take care of anyone but himself.

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* Why does Clay hate his "lousy stinkin' dead end job" as [[spoiler: Mayor [[spoiler:Mayor of Moralton]] anyway? He seems focused on money even though [[spoiler: Mayor]] [[spoiler:Mayor]] is a pretty good job.
** Clay seems like someone who's basically self-destructive enough to never be happy about anything. Plus being [[spoiler: Mayor [[spoiler:Mayor probably involves a lot of work doing what's best for citizens]] and ultimately taking care of other people and judging by his interactions with his family, Clay deeply resents being obligated to take care of anyone but himself.
26th Mar '17 10:31:47 AM ading
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** On top of that, Clay's issues stem largely from his mother's coddling and his father's contempt for him. His abuse of Orel is in large part an attempt to make sure Orel turns out as fucked up as he did; he figures his problems aren't his own fault since anyone else in his position would do the same. By saving Clay, Orel showed that even with everything he'd been through, he still hadn't lost his moral compass, meaning that Clay had no excuse for his behaviour and his sins are his own fault. In other words, it was an act of CruelMercy, though Orel may not have intended it that way.



** My guess is that he uses the Christian value of forgiveness. I mean,after how corrupt nearly everyone in Moralton was,Oral ''still'' has a cross hung up in his living room. And despite Bloberta and Clay's terrible parenting,the kids [[spoiler:Did turn out normal,with Shapey and Blocky being a Policeman and a Fireman,respectively and Oral ended up a good guy even after all the crap he'd been put through.]] But that could just be because of the efforts of the few sane people in Moralton,such as Stephanie, Daniel Stopframe and Reverend Putty.

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** My guess is that he uses the Christian value of forgiveness. I mean,after mean, after how corrupt nearly everyone in Moralton was,Oral was, Orel ''still'' has a cross hung up in his living room. And despite Bloberta and Clay's terrible parenting,the parenting, the kids [[spoiler:Did [[spoiler:did turn out normal,with Shapey and Blocky Block being a Policeman policeman and a Fireman,respectively fireman respectively, and Oral Orel ended up a good guy even after all the crap he'd been put through.]] But that could just be because of the efforts of the few sane people in Moralton,such Moralton, such as Stephanie, Daniel Stopframe Stephanie and Reverend Putty.
5th Apr '16 3:56:58 PM akira625
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** "Puppington" could be derived from "Puppetoon", a term coined by pioneering stop-motion animator George Pal, which he used to describe his work.
23rd Dec '15 8:53:25 PM JohnOrFranz
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** In the episode "Nesting", Clay expresses surprise upon hearing that Ms. Censordoll is also in the running, implying that no one else ever runs against him.
8th Feb '15 9:22:21 PM Crane
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** According to Dino, that stuff was written "when continuity didn't matter." Aside from a brief, blink-and-you'll-miss-it callback in "Alone," it might as well be DisContinuity at this point.
26th Jul '14 12:44:02 AM Leaper
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* Why does Clay hate his "lousy stinkin' dead end job" as Mayor of Moralton anyway? He seems focused on money even though Mayor is a pretty good job.
** Clay seems like someone who's basically self-destructive enough to never be happy about anything. Plus being Mayor probably involves a lot of work doing what's best for citizens and ultimately taking care of other people and judging by his interactions with his family, Clay deeply resents being obligated to take care of anyone but himself.

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* Why does Clay hate his "lousy stinkin' dead end job" as [[spoiler: Mayor of Moralton Moralton]] anyway? He seems focused on money even though Mayor [[spoiler: Mayor]] is a pretty good job.
** Clay seems like someone who's basically self-destructive enough to never be happy about anything. Plus being [[spoiler: Mayor probably involves a lot of work doing what's best for citizens citizens]] and ultimately taking care of other people and judging by his interactions with his family, Clay deeply resents being obligated to take care of anyone but himself.
28th Jan '14 1:00:41 PM ironballs16
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** It is heavily implied that his parents were stuck living their high school days, not knowing or caring that part of their lives is over. However, what we're not clear on (or I'm not clear on, I haven't seen that episode in a while) is if the regression was always there, or if it started out and worsened over a time-frame. Perhaps what we see of them is something that happened maybe about 2 years ago or such and Doughy was at least able to use the money to feed and take care of some issues at the house. Again, without an exact time-frame, nothing is really certain. Comes with the name anyway, doughy "latchkey".

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** It is heavily implied that his parents were stuck living their high school days, not knowing or caring that part of their lives is over. However, what we're not clear on (or I'm not clear on, I haven't seen that episode in a while) is if the regression was always there, or if it started out and worsened over a time-frame. Perhaps what we see of them is something that happened maybe about 2 years ago or such and Doughy was at least able to use the money to feed and take care of some issues at the house. Again, without an exact time-frame, nothing is really certain. Comes with the name anyway, doughy "latchkey".Doughy "[[MeaningfulName Latchkey]]".
*** Alternatively, it may have been that his grandparents took care of him and passed away after he was able to live up to his namesake.
28th Jan '14 12:58:34 PM ironballs16
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** Probably the lesser of two evils won the election he ran for?

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** Probably the lesser of two evils won the election he ran for? for?
** Or he might've presented himself well in the first election (he didn't know it was a "stinking dead-end job" until later), and then voter apathy kicked in.
28th Jan '14 12:56:05 PM ironballs16
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** [[CompletelyMissingThePoint That's part of the joke!]]

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** [[CompletelyMissingThePoint That's part of the joke!]][[RuleOfFunny Because if he did, it wouldn't be funny.]]
8th Jan '14 9:32:57 AM kazokuhouou
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**** It's probably more along the line of 'hey, maybe having a baby will 'fix' this marriage!'. Orel certainly wouldn't have been the first child conceived under this mindset.
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