History Headscratchers / MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny

24th Mar '18 4:58:13 PM nombretomado
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This is an issue that has bugged me for the entire series. Forget all the other issues. For me, this one is the biggest ItJustBugsMe of all [[ItJustBugsMe ItJustBugsMes]]. So here it is: Why did Shinn focus all his hate on Orb? And Cagali's family specifically? Let's not think about how some people wanted Orb to be sacks or any of that. The fact is that The Earth Alliance is far more responsible, or at least equally responsible for the death of his family, being the ones that invaded and all. Really, I get that he feels they didn't do enough to protect the city, but should't he have some grudge towards the EA as well? We all know Shinn does not hesitate to tear into someone he hates (the numerous times he ripped on Cagalli), so why just Orb?

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This is an issue that has bugged me for the entire series. Forget all the other issues. For me, this one is the biggest ItJustBugsMe Headscratchers of all [[ItJustBugsMe ItJustBugsMes]].all. So here it is: Why did Shinn focus all his hate on Orb? And Cagali's family specifically? Let's not think about how some people wanted Orb to be sacks or any of that. The fact is that The Earth Alliance is far more responsible, or at least equally responsible for the death of his family, being the ones that invaded and all. Really, I get that he feels they didn't do enough to protect the city, but should't he have some grudge towards the EA as well? We all know Shinn does not hesitate to tear into someone he hates (the numerous times he ripped on Cagalli), so why just Orb?
5th Nov '17 2:22:55 PM SoullessRaptor
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** I think a lot of people are also missing a very big piece of the puzzle here. That being DURANDAL. The man's a master propagandist, and it's likely that he gave Shinn some version of what actually happened that spins Orb as the villain and simultaneous endeared him to Shinn. Something along the lines of "Oh, you lost family in Orb? My deepest sympathies. But if they hadn't betrayed our trust and sheltered our enemies, then decided to cling to their precious neutrality to spite us, then the whole mess could have been avoided. But no, the stubborn Ahtha family refused to see reason, and went so far as to attack us." Thus he sets himself up as a good person, frames Orb and Cagali's family as the cause of it all, and swings the emotionally volatile ace to his side.
5th Nov '17 2:12:31 PM SoullessRaptor
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** The term "villain" is heavily subjective. In Shinn, Rey, Luna, and the rest of FAITH's minds, they are the noble heroes, and Kira, Lacus, Athrun, et al were the villainous traitors who stood against a lasting, bloodless peace. Could be that the interview is carrying the same view going in. That Shinn and FAITH will be the new heroes, while Kira and the TSA are the "villains" of the piece.
2nd Oct '17 12:21:24 PM SoullessRaptor
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\n*** Perhaps the OS acronym is because it's a basic-variant suit, not an elite super-custom like the Freedom or Justice?

2nd Oct '17 12:18:21 PM SoullessRaptor
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**** That may have less to do with effectiveness, and more with a combination of symbolic humility (they are no longer the Le Creuset squad, thus no longer pilot their Gundams), and logistical efficiency (ZAKU units are more adaptable, easier to maintain, and replaceable if they get shot down).
19th Jun '17 10:00:14 AM Chillpenguin411
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** Its stated that she was in the same class as Shinn, so they should be on about equal grounds piloting-wise. Its possible that Luna is equal to Shinn in piloting skill, she is just not in a suit that is able to take advantage of that (we don't really see much of her piloting in the Impulse). Alternatively, it could be that she is bad at ranged combat (genetic defect and Gunner Zaku) but very proficient at close quarters.
15th Jan '17 6:51:02 PM Chillpenguin411
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** While this is largely conjecture, assuming Neo is not a clone (because there wouldn't really be much point to clone Mu), it is possible that he survived in a similar fashion to Kira in his battles, granted, he isn't a co-ordinator, but he was piloting an improved version of the strike, which has already shown a good record of pilot survivability in situations like this. It is possible that he could have just been very lucky, and then been picked up by Earth Alliance troops. In short, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say he is not a clone, since there is no reason for him to be one. I am only saying that it is not impossible that he survived Jachine Due simply by virtue of being in a tough suit, being particularly lucky and, of course, Being the man with a knack for making the impossible possible.
24th Oct '16 7:29:32 PM Ace1225
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*** Not sure what series you were watching, but that isn't what happened at all. The relationship itself came to an end because Cagalli attempted to go through with her arranged marriage to Yuna while Athrun was visiting the Plants, which he'd only done in order to find out more about what their plans were going forward after the Junius 7 incident. It had nothing to do with Athrun being dissatisfied by his life in Orb and with Cagalli specifically. Furthermore, he specifically tells Cagalli about understanding why she went through with the marriage, but that he can't forgive her for it, when they meet up against after he's rejoined Zaft and Cagalli has left Orb with the Archangel.
5th Oct '16 8:42:32 PM AmbarSonofDeshar
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** Could also be a case of the medication that was keeping Le Creuset alive being almost used up. It certainly wouldn't be a very common drug. If Rey's exhausted the last of it--or has had it stop working for him earlier than it did for Le Creuset--he's going to die sooner.
24th Apr '16 2:21:28 AM SSJMagus
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*** At the time series aired, many fans pointed out that Durandal's press conference revealing the existence of LOGOS showed a lineup of the members' photos some thought had an empty spot (granted, it's more likely that LOGOS simply had an odd number of leaders) and speculated that ''Durandal himself was the missing member'', which would explain how he knew about the organization in such detail.
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