History Headscratchers / MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny

15th Jan '17 6:51:02 PM Chillpenguin411
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** While this is largely conjecture, assuming Neo is not a clone (because there wouldn't really be much point to clone Mu), it is possible that he survived in a similar fashion to Kira in his battles, granted, he isn't a co-ordinator, but he was piloting an improved version of the strike, which has already shown a good record of pilot survivability in situations like this. It is possible that he could have just been very lucky, and then been picked up by Earth Alliance troops. In short, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say he is not a clone, since there is no reason for him to be one. I am only saying that it is not impossible that he survived Jachine Due simply by virtue of being in a tough suit, being particularly lucky and, of course, Being the man with a knack for making the impossible possible.
24th Oct '16 7:29:32 PM Ace1225
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*** Not sure what series you were watching, but that isn't what happened at all. The relationship itself came to an end because Cagalli attempted to go through with her arranged marriage to Yuna while Athrun was visiting the Plants, which he'd only done in order to find out more about what their plans were going forward after the Junius 7 incident. It had nothing to do with Athrun being dissatisfied by his life in Orb and with Cagalli specifically. Furthermore, he specifically tells Cagalli about understanding why she went through with the marriage, but that he can't forgive her for it, when they meet up against after he's rejoined Zaft and Cagalli has left Orb with the Archangel.
5th Oct '16 8:42:32 PM AmbarSonofDeshar
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** Could also be a case of the medication that was keeping Le Creuset alive being almost used up. It certainly wouldn't be a very common drug. If Rey's exhausted the last of it--or has had it stop working for him earlier than it did for Le Creuset--he's going to die sooner.
24th Apr '16 2:21:28 AM SSJMagus
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*** At the time series aired, many fans pointed out that Durandal's press conference revealing the existence of LOGOS showed a lineup of the members' photos some thought had an empty spot (granted, it's more likely that LOGOS simply had an odd number of leaders) and speculated that ''Durandal himself was the missing member'', which would explain how he knew about the organization in such detail.
20th Mar '16 7:18:15 AM Fiver2
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*** Durandal is the only suspect who makes sense. Terrorists, whether Blue Cosmos or followers of Patrick Zala, thrive on publicity; but these assassins are trying to do it secretly. Unless they had someone who knew Durandal's secrets, they also be targeting Meer, thinking she was Lacus. The assassins are Coordinators, which also eliminates Blue Cosmos. It also eliminates the Seirans as suspects - why would Coordinators try to kill Lacus so that Orb can ally with the Coordinator-hating Atlantic Federation?
28th May '15 11:52:53 PM JediMasterDraco
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**** Orb itself may not have even been involved in the creation of the G-weapons. Instead the cooperation Mongenrote (or something like that) was what built them and the Archangel. Governments are not immediately responsible for the actions of companies in them unless they are state-owned. And let's face it, Orb is a tiny island nation that got crushed like a bug even with the Freedom, the Justice, and the Archangel helping out. I'd wager that if the Orb government did know about the G-series then it was because the EA told them "Help us or build these weapons or we'll come in there and make you build them". Uzumi was probably just trying to keep as many of his people alive as possible. We saw that he was perfectly willing to sacrifice himself, but I doubt he'd willing take his country with him.
4th Apr '15 2:11:00 PM ACW
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** Congrats. You just made something from Destiny make sense. Pat yourself on the back for a job well done. Seriously :). If it's an issue of feeling betrayed, then I can get it. Even if the Earth Forces are responsible for the attack, there would have been no attack if Orb and the Athha's had not betrayed their ideals (although neither Cagali nor her father knew about the Gundams until it was too late, but Shinn doesn't know that, and likely would not believe it anyway). It even explains why he was so anxious to attack them during the search for Djbril. Once again Orb betrayed their so-called non-interference ideals, this time to protect a CompleteMonster. As far as he's concerned, they deserve everything they get. Of course, in his Athha hate, he probably didn't consider how many new Shinn Asuka's he created in the process. Plus, it really was his families own fault for still being so close to the battlefied, when they were supposed to have been evacuated beforehand.

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** Congrats. You just made something from Destiny make sense. Pat yourself on the back for a job well done. Seriously :). If it's an issue of feeling betrayed, then I can get it. Even if the Earth Forces are responsible for the attack, there would have been no attack if Orb and the Athha's had not betrayed their ideals (although neither Cagali nor her father knew about the Gundams until it was too late, but Shinn doesn't know that, and likely would not believe it anyway). It even explains why he was so anxious to attack them during the search for Djbril. Once again Orb betrayed their so-called non-interference ideals, this time to protect a CompleteMonster.vile villain. As far as he's concerned, they deserve everything they get. Of course, in his Athha hate, he probably didn't consider how many new Shinn Asuka's he created in the process. Plus, it really was his families own fault for still being so close to the battlefied, when they were supposed to have been evacuated beforehand.
3rd Feb '15 1:42:52 PM AJSthe2nd
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**** It requires giving Durandal a ridiculous benefit of the doubt and Kira and co none at all. And zero sympathy for anyone on Orb's side, they'd rather the whole fleet was wiped out if Heine could survive and Orb should have been conqured to keep Djbril from getting to Requiem. Basically the idea the Kira is evil people have is Durandal didn't send the assassins, Kira and co just assumed he did and waged war on him and interfered with Durandal's legitimate attempt to bring peace the world, and also that the Destiny Plan was voluntary and if any country refused he'd leave them be, with Orb only being singled out because they attacked him first.
Some of this gets frankly ridiculous (Durandal blantantly says to target Orb at the end but his supporters insist he must mean to target the government buildings only and leave the civilians unharmed.) but others have some point because the show doesn't outright explain stuff like whether he really sent those assassins or not unless like mentioned hear, you work out the logic yourself.



***** But that's only taking in superficial appearances. Stella was outwardly nice and innocent and cute and Sting and Auel weren't so it's ok for them to die but not Stella. But Stella was just as vicious in battle as the other two, and neither Sting nor Auel choose to be extendeds either. Like Stella they were taken in as children and forced into the program. They might have taken to the killing they were forced into better than her but if Shinn really cared about the Extendeds like he said he did this should have bugged him too, but it didn't, only Stella, who specifically triggers his sympathy issues does, which means he's got a double standard.



* One thing this troper wonders about: at the end, Shinn just joined up with Kira. Mu was Neo, who (hopefully on orders from above that he had to follow) stuck Stella in the Destroy, who Shinn loved as a surrogate sister. Is there any official word on the Shinn/Mu dynamics going forward? Does Shinn never make the connection, do the two never meet, any Word of God on this?

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* One thing this troper wonders about: at the end, Shinn just joined up with Kira. Mu was Neo, who (hopefully on orders from above that he had to follow) stuck Stella in the Destroy, who Shinn loved as a surrogate sister. Is there any official word on the Shinn/Mu dynamics going forward? Does Shinn never make the connection, do the two never meet, any Word of God on this?this?
** As of what we've seen so far, Shinn is working with Kira and Lacus on Plant while Mu is with Athrun and Cagalli in Orb. Thus far they've never met, and as far as Shinn seems to be concerned Neo died in Berlin and he's never laid eyes on Mu. And that's all we've gotten thus far.
9th Jan '15 8:30:25 PM SuitsIsAwesome
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**** To be fair to Shinn, Auel and Sting were *dickheads*, and I don't think anybody shed a tear for when Shinn wrecked both their sorry asses. Stella on the other hand, is about as innocent as innocent gets.



** Guess another question has to be pondered then: why was Shinn never arrested or reprimanded in any way for his actions once Durandal was killed off? He indirectly contributed to the deaths of thousands for allowing Stella to wreck havoc on London with the Destroy and even while he may have realized that he was being duped, he almost killed an influential member of Orb in the form of Cagalli and got in the way of Orb, the Archangel and other resistance groups trying to prevent Durandal from wrecking havoc on the Earth.

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** Guess another question has to be pondered then: why was Shinn never arrested or reprimanded in any way for his actions once Durandal was killed off? He indirectly contributed to the deaths of thousands for allowing Stella to wreck havoc on London Berlin with the Destroy and even while he may have realized that he was being duped, he almost killed an influential member of Orb in the form of Cagalli and got in the way of Orb, the Archangel and other resistance groups trying to prevent Durandal from wrecking havoc on the Earth.



** Yes but the thing is, Kira and Lacus are still on thin ice. Quite a few people, especially in Zaft whole heartedly supported Durandal, and therefore they have to be leinient to everyone lest they look even more like unlawful userpers who conqured Plant with a foreign (Orb) army. Because that's basically what they did. Hence they can't just make an example of Shinn. Nor do they want to. They want Shinn on their side. As far as Shinn killing Orb soliders and attacking Cagalli, if Cagalli herself gives him a pass, the Orb officials have no choice but to accept this. The only other people that suffered at Shinn's hands were Logos or Logos supporters who basically have no grounds to complain about anything. So Shinn's pretty much in the clear since neither Lacus nor Cagalli want to throw him under the bus, even though they could.

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** Yes but the thing is, Kira and Lacus are still on thin ice. Quite a few people, especially in Zaft whole heartedly supported Durandal, and therefore they have to be leinient lenient to everyone lest they look even more like unlawful userpers usurpers who conqured conquered Plant with a foreign (Orb) army. Because that's basically what they did. Hence they can't just make an example of Shinn. Nor do they want to. They want Shinn on their side. As far as Shinn killing Orb soliders soldiers and attacking Cagalli, if Cagalli herself gives him a pass, the Orb officials have no choice but to accept this. The only other people that suffered at Shinn's hands were Logos or Logos supporters who basically have no grounds to complain about anything. So Shinn's pretty much in the clear since neither Lacus nor Cagalli want to throw him under the bus, even though they could.could.

* One thing this troper wonders about: at the end, Shinn just joined up with Kira. Mu was Neo, who (hopefully on orders from above that he had to follow) stuck Stella in the Destroy, who Shinn loved as a surrogate sister. Is there any official word on the Shinn/Mu dynamics going forward? Does Shinn never make the connection, do the two never meet, any Word of God on this?
9th Jan '15 8:15:42 PM SuitsIsAwesome
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*** Can someone explain to this troper how Kira and group acted like villains? As I seem to recall, Kira was trying to keep a bunch of people from needlessly murdering each other (ZAFT/Orb fleet), which ultimately wound up failing anyway. Beyond that point, post Stella, it was quite clear that Durandal was more or less thinking how he was going to take over the world. I'd think that puts Kira/Murrue/Lacus as the good guys by default at that point!


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