History Headscratchers / MobileSuitGundamSEEDDestiny

24th Apr '16 2:21:28 AM SSJMagus
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*** At the time series aired, many fans pointed out that Durandal's press conference revealing the existence of LOGOS showed a lineup of the members' photos some thought had an empty spot (granted, it's more likely that LOGOS simply had an odd number of leaders) and speculated that ''Durandal himself was the missing member'', which would explain how he knew about the organization in such detail.
20th Mar '16 7:18:15 AM Fiver2
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*** Durandal is the only suspect who makes sense. Terrorists, whether Blue Cosmos or followers of Patrick Zala, thrive on publicity; but these assassins are trying to do it secretly. Unless they had someone who knew Durandal's secrets, they also be targeting Meer, thinking she was Lacus. The assassins are Coordinators, which also eliminates Blue Cosmos. It also eliminates the Seirans as suspects - why would Coordinators try to kill Lacus so that Orb can ally with the Coordinator-hating Atlantic Federation?
28th May '15 11:52:53 PM JediMasterDraco
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**** Orb itself may not have even been involved in the creation of the G-weapons. Instead the cooperation Mongenrote (or something like that) was what built them and the Archangel. Governments are not immediately responsible for the actions of companies in them unless they are state-owned. And let's face it, Orb is a tiny island nation that got crushed like a bug even with the Freedom, the Justice, and the Archangel helping out. I'd wager that if the Orb government did know about the G-series then it was because the EA told them "Help us or build these weapons or we'll come in there and make you build them". Uzumi was probably just trying to keep as many of his people alive as possible. We saw that he was perfectly willing to sacrifice himself, but I doubt he'd willing take his country with him.
4th Apr '15 2:11:00 PM ACW
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** Congrats. You just made something from Destiny make sense. Pat yourself on the back for a job well done. Seriously :). If it's an issue of feeling betrayed, then I can get it. Even if the Earth Forces are responsible for the attack, there would have been no attack if Orb and the Athha's had not betrayed their ideals (although neither Cagali nor her father knew about the Gundams until it was too late, but Shinn doesn't know that, and likely would not believe it anyway). It even explains why he was so anxious to attack them during the search for Djbril. Once again Orb betrayed their so-called non-interference ideals, this time to protect a CompleteMonster. As far as he's concerned, they deserve everything they get. Of course, in his Athha hate, he probably didn't consider how many new Shinn Asuka's he created in the process. Plus, it really was his families own fault for still being so close to the battlefied, when they were supposed to have been evacuated beforehand.

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** Congrats. You just made something from Destiny make sense. Pat yourself on the back for a job well done. Seriously :). If it's an issue of feeling betrayed, then I can get it. Even if the Earth Forces are responsible for the attack, there would have been no attack if Orb and the Athha's had not betrayed their ideals (although neither Cagali nor her father knew about the Gundams until it was too late, but Shinn doesn't know that, and likely would not believe it anyway). It even explains why he was so anxious to attack them during the search for Djbril. Once again Orb betrayed their so-called non-interference ideals, this time to protect a CompleteMonster.vile villain. As far as he's concerned, they deserve everything they get. Of course, in his Athha hate, he probably didn't consider how many new Shinn Asuka's he created in the process. Plus, it really was his families own fault for still being so close to the battlefied, when they were supposed to have been evacuated beforehand.
3rd Feb '15 1:42:52 PM AJSthe2nd
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**** It requires giving Durandal a ridiculous benefit of the doubt and Kira and co none at all. And zero sympathy for anyone on Orb's side, they'd rather the whole fleet was wiped out if Heine could survive and Orb should have been conqured to keep Djbril from getting to Requiem. Basically the idea the Kira is evil people have is Durandal didn't send the assassins, Kira and co just assumed he did and waged war on him and interfered with Durandal's legitimate attempt to bring peace the world, and also that the Destiny Plan was voluntary and if any country refused he'd leave them be, with Orb only being singled out because they attacked him first.
Some of this gets frankly ridiculous (Durandal blantantly says to target Orb at the end but his supporters insist he must mean to target the government buildings only and leave the civilians unharmed.) but others have some point because the show doesn't outright explain stuff like whether he really sent those assassins or not unless like mentioned hear, you work out the logic yourself.



***** But that's only taking in superficial appearances. Stella was outwardly nice and innocent and cute and Sting and Auel weren't so it's ok for them to die but not Stella. But Stella was just as vicious in battle as the other two, and neither Sting nor Auel choose to be extendeds either. Like Stella they were taken in as children and forced into the program. They might have taken to the killing they were forced into better than her but if Shinn really cared about the Extendeds like he said he did this should have bugged him too, but it didn't, only Stella, who specifically triggers his sympathy issues does, which means he's got a double standard.



* One thing this troper wonders about: at the end, Shinn just joined up with Kira. Mu was Neo, who (hopefully on orders from above that he had to follow) stuck Stella in the Destroy, who Shinn loved as a surrogate sister. Is there any official word on the Shinn/Mu dynamics going forward? Does Shinn never make the connection, do the two never meet, any Word of God on this?

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* One thing this troper wonders about: at the end, Shinn just joined up with Kira. Mu was Neo, who (hopefully on orders from above that he had to follow) stuck Stella in the Destroy, who Shinn loved as a surrogate sister. Is there any official word on the Shinn/Mu dynamics going forward? Does Shinn never make the connection, do the two never meet, any Word of God on this?this?
** As of what we've seen so far, Shinn is working with Kira and Lacus on Plant while Mu is with Athrun and Cagalli in Orb. Thus far they've never met, and as far as Shinn seems to be concerned Neo died in Berlin and he's never laid eyes on Mu. And that's all we've gotten thus far.
9th Jan '15 8:30:25 PM SuitsIsAwesome
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**** To be fair to Shinn, Auel and Sting were *dickheads*, and I don't think anybody shed a tear for when Shinn wrecked both their sorry asses. Stella on the other hand, is about as innocent as innocent gets.



** Guess another question has to be pondered then: why was Shinn never arrested or reprimanded in any way for his actions once Durandal was killed off? He indirectly contributed to the deaths of thousands for allowing Stella to wreck havoc on London with the Destroy and even while he may have realized that he was being duped, he almost killed an influential member of Orb in the form of Cagalli and got in the way of Orb, the Archangel and other resistance groups trying to prevent Durandal from wrecking havoc on the Earth.

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** Guess another question has to be pondered then: why was Shinn never arrested or reprimanded in any way for his actions once Durandal was killed off? He indirectly contributed to the deaths of thousands for allowing Stella to wreck havoc on London Berlin with the Destroy and even while he may have realized that he was being duped, he almost killed an influential member of Orb in the form of Cagalli and got in the way of Orb, the Archangel and other resistance groups trying to prevent Durandal from wrecking havoc on the Earth.



** Yes but the thing is, Kira and Lacus are still on thin ice. Quite a few people, especially in Zaft whole heartedly supported Durandal, and therefore they have to be leinient to everyone lest they look even more like unlawful userpers who conqured Plant with a foreign (Orb) army. Because that's basically what they did. Hence they can't just make an example of Shinn. Nor do they want to. They want Shinn on their side. As far as Shinn killing Orb soliders and attacking Cagalli, if Cagalli herself gives him a pass, the Orb officials have no choice but to accept this. The only other people that suffered at Shinn's hands were Logos or Logos supporters who basically have no grounds to complain about anything. So Shinn's pretty much in the clear since neither Lacus nor Cagalli want to throw him under the bus, even though they could.

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** Yes but the thing is, Kira and Lacus are still on thin ice. Quite a few people, especially in Zaft whole heartedly supported Durandal, and therefore they have to be leinient lenient to everyone lest they look even more like unlawful userpers usurpers who conqured conquered Plant with a foreign (Orb) army. Because that's basically what they did. Hence they can't just make an example of Shinn. Nor do they want to. They want Shinn on their side. As far as Shinn killing Orb soliders soldiers and attacking Cagalli, if Cagalli herself gives him a pass, the Orb officials have no choice but to accept this. The only other people that suffered at Shinn's hands were Logos or Logos supporters who basically have no grounds to complain about anything. So Shinn's pretty much in the clear since neither Lacus nor Cagalli want to throw him under the bus, even though they could.could.

* One thing this troper wonders about: at the end, Shinn just joined up with Kira. Mu was Neo, who (hopefully on orders from above that he had to follow) stuck Stella in the Destroy, who Shinn loved as a surrogate sister. Is there any official word on the Shinn/Mu dynamics going forward? Does Shinn never make the connection, do the two never meet, any Word of God on this?
9th Jan '15 8:15:42 PM SuitsIsAwesome
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*** Can someone explain to this troper how Kira and group acted like villains? As I seem to recall, Kira was trying to keep a bunch of people from needlessly murdering each other (ZAFT/Orb fleet), which ultimately wound up failing anyway. Beyond that point, post Stella, it was quite clear that Durandal was more or less thinking how he was going to take over the world. I'd think that puts Kira/Murrue/Lacus as the good guys by default at that point!


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9th Jan '15 8:10:03 PM SuitsIsAwesome
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\n\n** Uh, not sure which commercial interludes you were watching, but Lacus *did* blossom. She just doesn't dress in a way to emphasize those parts. Meer herself wouldn't look too much different from Lacus if she wore Lacus's kimono and white coat. Long story short, she's got the figure to match her mind.


14th Nov '14 1:05:22 PM AJS
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****** Destiny's red shots are simply from a higher power beam cannon, which Freedom, Strike Freedom, Blast Impulse, and several other mobile suits also had. They're simply more powerful beam shots. While their shots are drawn similarly Tannhauser and Loengrin's are supposed to be Positron cannons which involve firing antimatter. But on the other hand the show never treats them they way they should work in reality anyway (for example firing them in atmopshere should detonate all the air matter in the area destroying the ship and everything nearby. This doesn't happen.) And the show has other blantant contradictions of how technology really works like being able to instantly neutralize a nuclear reaction. So really I think we're just looking at this way too serious when the shows staff isn't trying to be remotely realistic. Positron cannons to them just mean really powerful beam, and that's all there is too it.
27th Oct '14 9:22:17 AM JeranKorak
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***** It ought to be noted that the Akatsuki previously manages to reflect the blasts from the Destiny's miniaturized version of the Tannhauser (or at least, the visual effects are completely indistinguishable except in terms of diameter and intensity). So there is at least precedent within the series itself to say that it is possible. It may not be technically possible under real-world physics, but I'll credit Destiny for at least foreshadowing the effect so that it doesn't come as a total asspull.
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