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** It is mentioned that it is a ''weekly'' polygraph; it can indeed be fooled, and they know it can be fooled, so they keep giving it to him again and again and again until he slips up. The fact that he hasn't is a testament to his skills; the fact that it detects at the last second that he isn't telling the whole truth is a sign that one day it might work.
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** Lane should have kept Ethan, Benji and Ilsa at their seats, and tell Ethan to keep reading the bank accounts right then and there. With civilian lives at stake, as well as Benji and Ilsa, at that point Lane has the best shot at making Ethan spill what he knows. Instead, he decides to let Benji walk and capture Ethan. A BondVillainStupidity on his part.
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** Lane should have kept Ethan, Benji and Ilsa at their seats, and tell Ethan to keep reading the bank accounts right then and there. With civilian lives at stake, as well as Benji and Ilsa, at that point Lane has the best shot at making Ethan spill what he knows. Instead, he decides to let Benji walk and capture Ethan. A BondVillainStupidity on his part.part.
*** With the bomb now disarmed, how is he supposed to make that happen? Threatening to have Syndicate agents start shooting is a big risk to himself as well because it alerts MI6 and the CIA very clearly where Syndicate is present.
*** With the bomb now disarmed, how is he supposed to make that happen? Threatening to have Syndicate agents start shooting is a big risk to himself as well because it alerts MI6 and the CIA very clearly where Syndicate is present.
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** Then at least it should have some mention about it.
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** Lane should have kept Ethan, Benji and Ilsa at their seats, and tell Ethan to keep reading the bank accounts right then and there. With civilian lives at stake, as well as Benji and Ilsa, at that point Lane has the best shot at making Ethan spill what he knows. Instead, he decides to let Benji walk and capture Ethan. WhatAnIdiot.
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** Lane should have kept Ethan, Benji and Ilsa at their seats, and tell Ethan to keep reading the bank accounts right then and there. With civilian lives at stake, as well as Benji and Ilsa, at that point Lane has the best shot at making Ethan spill what he knows. Instead, he decides to let Benji walk and capture Ethan. WhatAnIdiot.A BondVillainStupidity on his part.
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** This appears to be a few years down the line - and Ethan has found nothing. Not even until this film did he get a face sketch, no name or alias or address, and that was because the villain deliberately showed his face to Ethan. All he had was a bunch of news clippings that ''could'' have been random chance. They'd probably considered it a failed mission and bad intel, and Ethan alone was the one insisting they really existed.
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** This appears to be a few years year down the line - and Ethan has found nothing. Not even until this film did he get a face sketch, no name or alias or address, and that was because the villain deliberately showed his face to Ethan. All he had was a bunch of news clippings that ''could'' have been random chance. They'd probably considered it a failed mission and bad intel, and Ethan alone was the one insisting they really existed.
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** Well isn't it obvious? The Impossible Mission Force stopped it. It's possible that recovering the drone fleet was what tipped the syndicate off that they needed to be slightly more subtle about their methods, thus forcing them to work through proxies or do those "grand gestures" Hunt mentioned in their operations in order to complete a small step. But really, is it so hard to believe that the IMF would've put a stop to something like that long before this film?
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** Because the Syndicate are clearly after the information as well. He can't risk Ilsa handing over the data to the enemy.
*** At that point in the film, as far as they knew, the data was nothing more than evidence against the Syndicate. Not information the Syndicate didn't already have, but information that was previously copied and stolen from them, and then placed in the vault.
*** If they got the data they'd be able to know for definite what this information was and thus take steps to mitigate the damage if they suspect that Benji has a copy- say, murdering people the data identifies as key players or witnesses.
*** Also, they thought it was legitimate information, and [[spoiler: the british head hadn't erased Ilsa's copy yet.]] So Ethan was still going after something to keep the syndicate from it.
*** At that point in the film, as far as they knew, the data was nothing more than evidence against the Syndicate. Not information the Syndicate didn't already have, but information that was previously copied and stolen from them, and then placed in the vault.
*** If they got the data they'd be able to know for definite what this information was and thus take steps to mitigate the damage if they suspect that Benji has a copy- say, murdering people the data identifies as key players or witnesses.
*** Also, they thought it was legitimate information, and [[spoiler: the british head hadn't erased Ilsa's copy yet.]] So Ethan was still going after something to keep the syndicate from it.
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* Why didn't Ethan realise that security has been compromised at the London mission briefing point? Although Ethan Hunt is famous to us, the viewers, there is absolutely no reason in-universe for the person handing him a mission briefing after a coded exchange to know who he is. He should realise as soon as she asks him if "the stories are true" that there has been a major breach of security and protocol. Normal security protocol would be just for her to hand over a file/object to a person in a given location (as during the flights in the first film), or to the person who gives a certain pass-phrase. As such, she shouldn't know either what she is handing over, nor who she is giving it to. But since she knows who she is handing the information to, this means that this information is accessible and the document being handed over could be manipulated (intercepted/replaced/...), or that enemies could identify him from this exchange! Although it can be dismissed as Ethan being flirtatious or simply dismissing it as she may be a long-term collaborator of the IMF, it doesn't really tie in with his character given that he knows he's trying to track down an extremely sophisticated hidden terrorist/espionnage network which apparently has been able to defeat/match the IMF over several continents and several missions.
* Lane suddenly grabbed the IdiotBall at the end of the film, or at least went completely against his established character. When Ethan tells him that he has memorised the whole disk's contents, and that the USB stick has been destroyed, Lane shifts from cool, calculated, hyper-prepared quasi-genius to a brash, almost irrational and impulsive child.
** Fist of all, although Ethan has proved he has remembered at least one account number, there is no proof that Ethan knows the whole disk's contents of 2.4 billion. For all Lane knows, Ethan just picked one account with a big number to remember.
*** Ethan points this possibility out to Lane, but the problem is Ethan has cornered Solomon. If he kills him and he had memorized it, then he just lost the money forever, if he lets him live and he doesn't have the money memorized, he can just kill him. Letting him live is the safest option. It matches with Lane's character (as Ethan points out, the only way to defeat Lane is to convince him he can win).
* Lane suddenly grabbed the IdiotBall at the end of the film, or at least went completely against his established character. When Ethan tells him that he has memorised the whole disk's contents, and that the USB stick has been destroyed, Lane shifts from cool, calculated, hyper-prepared quasi-genius to a brash, almost irrational and impulsive child.
** Fist of all, although Ethan has proved he has remembered at least one account number, there is no proof that Ethan knows the whole disk's contents of 2.4 billion. For all Lane knows, Ethan just picked one account with a big number to remember.
*** Ethan points this possibility out to Lane, but the problem is Ethan has cornered Solomon. If he kills him and he had memorized it, then he just lost the money forever, if he lets him live and he doesn't have the money memorized, he can just kill him. Letting him live is the safest option. It matches with Lane's character (as Ethan points out, the only way to defeat Lane is to convince him he can win).
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* Why didn't Ethan realise realize that security has been compromised at the London mission briefing point? Although Ethan Hunt is famous to us, the viewers, there is absolutely no reason in-universe for the person handing him a mission briefing after a coded exchange to know who he is. He should realise realize as soon as she asks him if "the stories are true" that there has been a major breach of security and protocol. Normal security protocol would be just for her to hand over a file/object to a person in a given location (as during the flights in the first film), or to the person who gives a certain pass-phrase. As such, she shouldn't know either what she is handing over, nor who she is giving it to. But since she knows who she is handing the information to, this means that this information is accessible and the document being handed over could be manipulated (intercepted/replaced/...), or that enemies could identify him from this exchange! Although it can be dismissed as Ethan being flirtatious or simply dismissing it as she may be a long-term collaborator of the IMF, it doesn't really tie in with his character given that he knows he's trying to track down an extremely sophisticated hidden terrorist/espionnage network which apparently has been able to defeat/match the IMF over several continents and several missions.
* Lane suddenly grabbed the IdiotBall at the end of the film, or at least went completely against his established character. When Ethan tells him that he hasmemorised memorized the whole disk's contents, and that the USB stick has been destroyed, Lane shifts from cool, calculated, hyper-prepared quasi-genius to a brash, almost irrational and impulsive child.
** Fist of all, although Ethan has proved he has remembered at least one account number, there is no proof that Ethan knows the whole disk's contents of 2.4 billion. For all Lane knows, Ethan just picked one account with a big number toremember.
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*** Ethan points this possibility out to Lane, but the problem is Ethan hascornered Solomon. If he kills him and he had memorized it, cornered. If Ethan is killed, then he just lost the money forever, if he lets him live and he doesn't have while there is ''some'' hope of getting part of the money memorized, if Ethan lives, so he can just kill him. Letting him live is goes with the safest safer option. It matches with Lane's character (as Ethan points out, the only way to defeat Lane is to convince him he can win).
* Lane suddenly grabbed the IdiotBall at the end of the film, or at least went completely against his established character. When Ethan tells him that he has
** Fist of all, although Ethan has proved he has remembered at least one account number, there is no proof that Ethan knows the whole disk's contents of 2.4 billion. For all Lane knows, Ethan just picked one account with a big number to
*** Ethan points this possibility out to Lane, but the problem is Ethan has
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*** Considering Lane's motivation being that he needs better resources, it may simply be that he's short on manpower (specially considering the people Ethan kills in his breakout, at the opera, during the motorcycle chase and in the shootouts in London). Another factor is the sheer VillainousBreakdown. Lane is a puppetmaster of sorts, but at that point, Ethan derailed his entire plan and Lane is starting to lose his patience (and every minute wasted is a minute more for the MI6 to find him, as well as the fact this is his only chance to get the money), so he's not thinking straight.
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*** Considering Lane's motivation being that he needs better resources, it may simply be that he's short on manpower (specially considering the people Ethan kills in his breakout, at the opera, during the motorcycle chase and in the shootouts in London). Another factor is the sheer VillainousBreakdown. Lane is a puppetmaster of sorts, but at that point, Ethan derailed his entire plan and Lane is starting to lose his patience (and every minute wasted is a minute more for the MI6 to find him, as well as the fact this is his only chance to get the money), so he's not thinking straight.straight.
** Lane should have kept Ethan, Benji and Ilsa at their seats, and tell Ethan to keep reading the bank accounts right then and there. With civilian lives at stake, as well as Benji and Ilsa, at that point Lane has the best shot at making Ethan spill what he knows. Instead, he decides to let Benji walk and capture Ethan. WhatAnIdiot.
** Lane should have kept Ethan, Benji and Ilsa at their seats, and tell Ethan to keep reading the bank accounts right then and there. With civilian lives at stake, as well as Benji and Ilsa, at that point Lane has the best shot at making Ethan spill what he knows. Instead, he decides to let Benji walk and capture Ethan. WhatAnIdiot.
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** If it's a standard polygraph (I vaguely recall someone calling it such, but I could be wrong), those things aren't that difficult to fool. It comes down to being very calm and collected the entire time.
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** Secondly, Lane knows that this is just a copy of the data. Sure, losing the data when he's so close to obtaining it is certainly extremely vexing, but time is on his side. He can always try again. The fact that someone managed to get the data out means that it -is- possible, and even though that much money would be a great asset, his team has managed to operated without for a while.
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*** Ethan points this possibility out to Lane, but the problem is Ethan has cornered Solomon. If he kills him and he had memorized it, then he just lost the money forever, if he lets him live and he doesn't have the money memorized, he can just kill him. Letting him live is the safest option. It matches with Lane's character (as Ethan points out, the only way to defeat Lane is to convince him he can win).
** Secondly, Lane knows that this is just a copy of the data. Sure, losing the data when he's so close to obtaining it is certainly extremely vexing, but time is on his side. He can always try again. The fact that someone managed to get the data out means that it -is- possible, and even though that much money would be a great asset, his team has managed to operated without for awhile.while.
*** I don't remember if the movie actually states it's just a copy. But in either case, time kind of isn't on his side. Lane probably realizes that Ethan's little heist means the MI6 and the IMF are now aware of the Syndicate's existence. Or, Hell, the fact someone has managed to do that to the Prime-Minister once means his security will quadruple, making it nigh impossible for the feat to be done twice. In fact, even in the movie's timeline Lane only aims for the Prime-Minister when he has Hunt who's A) Expendable. B) Extremely skilled. Lane realizes he'll probably not get a second chance at all.
** Secondly, Lane knows that this is just a copy of the data. Sure, losing the data when he's so close to obtaining it is certainly extremely vexing, but time is on his side. He can always try again. The fact that someone managed to get the data out means that it -is- possible, and even though that much money would be a great asset, his team has managed to operated without for a
*** I don't remember if the movie actually states it's just a copy. But in either case, time kind of isn't on his side. Lane probably realizes that Ethan's little heist means the MI6 and the IMF are now aware of the Syndicate's existence. Or, Hell, the fact someone has managed to do that to the Prime-Minister once means his security will quadruple, making it nigh impossible for the feat to be done twice. In fact, even in the movie's timeline Lane only aims for the Prime-Minister when he has Hunt who's A) Expendable. B) Extremely skilled. Lane realizes he'll probably not get a second chance at all.
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** Fourthly, Lane suddenly decides to go alone in order to catch Ethan. Lane seems to be very aware of the risks of actually doing field operations, and as such is much more a "puppet-master" or a manipulator than an actual agent. In all the scenes where he is shown prior to London he has a group of armed agents with him, presumably for security reasons. But in London he seems absolutely alone in the apartment, then goes to pursue Hunt alone. It's repeatedly stated that Lane has a vast number of agents and operatives in the Syndicate, and given he knew that the data was a "red box", he knew he would eventually need to operate in the UK. As such, it seems unplausible that he doesn't have a dozen (or more) other agents with him at the apartment, and then with him in the 4x4 he pursues Hunt in. Hunt's entire plan relied on Lane following him alone, even though his only request was to meet "face-to-face", not "one-on-one" or "alone".
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*** This is just a tactical mistake. Lane is clever, but what trips him up is that he expects Hunt to dance to his tune because he has Benji (and Ilsa). He DidntSeeThatComing when it comes to Ethan memorizing the data and running this whole scheme, and along the movie we see that he's clearly trying to turn Ilsa to his side despite the mounting evidence she's not on his side. Basically: Lane expected Ethan to bring him the files (or be blown up), Ilsa to hand him the files (or be blown up/shot by his men). What derails his plan is Ethan destroying the files and memorizing them. Lane underestimated Ethan and paid the price for it. As for his men, we don't know how big the explosion would be in exact terms. It may have been enough to just explode them and leave his men unharmed or big enough to wipe the entire block out.
** Fourthly, Lane suddenly decides to go alone in order to catch Ethan. Lane seems to be very aware of the risks of actually doing field operations, and as such is much more a "puppet-master" or a manipulator than an actual agent. In all the scenes where he is shown prior to London he has a group of armed agents with him, presumably for security reasons. But in London he seems absolutely alone in the apartment, then goes to pursue Hunt alone. It's repeatedly stated that Lane has a vast number of agents and operatives in the Syndicate, and given he knew that the data was a "red box", he knew he would eventually need to operate in the UK. As such, it seems unplausible that he doesn't have a dozen (or more) other agents with him at the apartment, and then with him in the 4x4 he pursues Hunt in. Hunt's entire plan relied on Lane following him alone, even though his only request was to meet "face-to-face", not "one-on-one" or"alone"."alone".
*** Considering Lane's motivation being that he needs better resources, it may simply be that he's short on manpower (specially considering the people Ethan kills in his breakout, at the opera, during the motorcycle chase and in the shootouts in London). Another factor is the sheer VillainousBreakdown. Lane is a puppetmaster of sorts, but at that point, Ethan derailed his entire plan and Lane is starting to lose his patience (and every minute wasted is a minute more for the MI6 to find him, as well as the fact this is his only chance to get the money), so he's not thinking straight.
** Fourthly, Lane suddenly decides to go alone in order to catch Ethan. Lane seems to be very aware of the risks of actually doing field operations, and as such is much more a "puppet-master" or a manipulator than an actual agent. In all the scenes where he is shown prior to London he has a group of armed agents with him, presumably for security reasons. But in London he seems absolutely alone in the apartment, then goes to pursue Hunt alone. It's repeatedly stated that Lane has a vast number of agents and operatives in the Syndicate, and given he knew that the data was a "red box", he knew he would eventually need to operate in the UK. As such, it seems unplausible that he doesn't have a dozen (or more) other agents with him at the apartment, and then with him in the 4x4 he pursues Hunt in. Hunt's entire plan relied on Lane following him alone, even though his only request was to meet "face-to-face", not "one-on-one" or
*** Considering Lane's motivation being that he needs better resources, it may simply be that he's short on manpower (specially considering the people Ethan kills in his breakout, at the opera, during the motorcycle chase and in the shootouts in London). Another factor is the sheer VillainousBreakdown. Lane is a puppetmaster of sorts, but at that point, Ethan derailed his entire plan and Lane is starting to lose his patience (and every minute wasted is a minute more for the MI6 to find him, as well as the fact this is his only chance to get the money), so he's not thinking straight.
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** Third, when compared to the setup to kill the Austrian Chancellor, Lane seems particularly under-prepared, in particular given that he knows he is going head-to-head with Hunt. His whole plan is to put two IMF agents and Ilsa (who has no desire to help him or strong motivation to go along with his plan) on some explosives, whilst a few of his goons (who were overpowered by Hunt -and Ilsa, but he doesn't know this for sure- whilst he was hand- and ankle-cuffed in his torture cell) watch them from a distance. He even gives Ilsa a loaded gun.
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** Third, when compared to the setup to kill the Austrian Chancellor, Lane seems particularly under-prepared, in particular given that he knows he is going head-to-head with Hunt. His whole plan is to put two IMF agents and Ilsa (who has no desire to help him or strong motivation to go along with his plan) on some explosives, whilst a few of his goons (who were overpowered by Hunt -and Ilsa, but he doesn't know this for sure- whilst he was hand- and ankle-cuffed in his torture cell) watch them from a distance. He even gives Ilsa a loaded gun. Exploding Benji is not really possible, since it achieves none of his objectives. It would just kill the people who can get the information. If the USB key is there, it's been destroyed. If Hunt knew where it was hidden, now he can't find it. If his team has the key, what motivation do they have to hand it over to Lane with their friends now dead? If the data has already been shared with MI6/CIA/??? he's just giving a nice, big signal that he's active with an explosion in central London, which would make any attempt to leave much more complicated (plus if any of his team members are injured but don't die, they could reveal all kinds of information about how Lane works).
** Fourthly, Lane suddenly decides to go alone in order to catch Ethan. Lane seems to be very aware of the risks of actually doing field operations, and as such is much more a "puppet-master" or a manipulator than an actual agent. In all the scenes where he is shown prior to London he has a group of armed agents with him, presumably for security reasons. But in London he seems absolutely alone in the apartment, then goes to pursue Hunt alone. It's repeatedly stated that Lane has a vast number of agents and operatives in the Syndicate, and given he knew that the data was a "red box", he knew he would eventually need to operate in the UK. As such, it seems unplausible that he doesn't have a dozen (or more) other agents with him at the apartment, and then with him in the 4x4 he pursues Hunt in. Hunt's entire plan relied on Lane following him alone, even though his only request was to meet "face-to-face", not "one-on-one" or "alone".
** Fourthly, Lane suddenly decides to go alone in order to catch Ethan. Lane seems to be very aware of the risks of actually doing field operations, and as such is much more a "puppet-master" or a manipulator than an actual agent. In all the scenes where he is shown prior to London he has a group of armed agents with him, presumably for security reasons. But in London he seems absolutely alone in the apartment, then goes to pursue Hunt alone. It's repeatedly stated that Lane has a vast number of agents and operatives in the Syndicate, and given he knew that the data was a "red box", he knew he would eventually need to operate in the UK. As such, it seems unplausible that he doesn't have a dozen (or more) other agents with him at the apartment, and then with him in the 4x4 he pursues Hunt in. Hunt's entire plan relied on Lane following him alone, even though his only request was to meet "face-to-face", not "one-on-one" or "alone".
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* Why didn't Ethan realise that security has been compromised at the London mission briefing point? Although Ethan Hunt is famous to us, the viewers, there is absolutely no reason in-universe for the person handing him a mission briefing after a coded exchange to know who he is. He should realise as soon as she asks him if "the stories are true" that there has been a major breach of security and protocol. Normal security protocol would be just for her to hand over a file/object to a person in a given location (as during the flights in the first film), or to the person who gives a certain pass-phrase. As such, she shouldn't know either what she is handing over, nor who she is giving it to. But since she knows who she is handing the information to, this means that this information is accessible and the document being handed over could be manipulated (intercepted/replaced/...), or that enemies could identify him from this exchange! Although it can be dismissed as Ethan being flirtatious or simply dismissing it as she may be a long-term collaborator of the IMF, it doesn't really tie in with his character given that he knows he's trying to track down an extremely sophisticated hidden terrorist/espionnage network which apparently has been able to defeat/match the IMF over several continents and several missions.
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* Why didn't Ethan realise that security has been compromised at the London mission briefing point? Although Ethan Hunt is famous to us, the viewers, there is absolutely no reason in-universe for the person handing him a mission briefing after a coded exchange to know who he is. He should realise as soon as she asks him if "the stories are true" that there has been a major breach of security and protocol. Normal security protocol would be just for her to hand over a file/object to a person in a given location (as during the flights in the first film), or to the person who gives a certain pass-phrase. As such, she shouldn't know either what she is handing over, nor who she is giving it to. But since she knows who she is handing the information to, this means that this information is accessible and the document being handed over could be manipulated (intercepted/replaced/...), or that enemies could identify him from this exchange! Although it can be dismissed as Ethan being flirtatious or simply dismissing it as she may be a long-term collaborator of the IMF, it doesn't really tie in with his character given that he knows he's trying to track down an extremely sophisticated hidden terrorist/espionnage network which apparently has been able to defeat/match the IMF over several continents and several missions.missions.
* Lane suddenly grabbed the IdiotBall at the end of the film, or at least went completely against his established character. When Ethan tells him that he has memorised the whole disk's contents, and that the USB stick has been destroyed, Lane shifts from cool, calculated, hyper-prepared quasi-genius to a brash, almost irrational and impulsive child.
**Fist of all, although Ethan has proved he has remembered at least one account number, there is no proof that Ethan knows the whole disk's contents of 2.4 billion. For all Lane knows, Ethan just picked one account with a big number to remember.
**Secondly, Lane knows that this is just a copy of the data. Sure, losing the data when he's so close to obtaining it is certainly extremely vexing, but time is on his side. He can always try again. The fact that someone managed to get the data out means that it -is- possible, and even though that much money would be a great asset, his team has managed to operated without for a while.
**Third, when compared to the setup to kill the Austrian Chancellor, Lane seems particularly under-prepared, in particular given that he knows he is going head-to-head with Hunt. His whole plan is to put two IMF agents and Ilsa (who has no desire to help him or strong motivation to go along with his plan) on some explosives, whilst a few of his goons (who were overpowered by Hunt -and Ilsa, but he doesn't know this for sure- whilst he was hand- and ankle-cuffed in his torture cell) watch them from a distance. He even gives Ilsa a loaded gun.
* Lane suddenly grabbed the IdiotBall at the end of the film, or at least went completely against his established character. When Ethan tells him that he has memorised the whole disk's contents, and that the USB stick has been destroyed, Lane shifts from cool, calculated, hyper-prepared quasi-genius to a brash, almost irrational and impulsive child.
**Fist of all, although Ethan has proved he has remembered at least one account number, there is no proof that Ethan knows the whole disk's contents of 2.4 billion. For all Lane knows, Ethan just picked one account with a big number to remember.
**Secondly, Lane knows that this is just a copy of the data. Sure, losing the data when he's so close to obtaining it is certainly extremely vexing, but time is on his side. He can always try again. The fact that someone managed to get the data out means that it -is- possible, and even though that much money would be a great asset, his team has managed to operated without for a while.
**Third, when compared to the setup to kill the Austrian Chancellor, Lane seems particularly under-prepared, in particular given that he knows he is going head-to-head with Hunt. His whole plan is to put two IMF agents and Ilsa (who has no desire to help him or strong motivation to go along with his plan) on some explosives, whilst a few of his goons (who were overpowered by Hunt -and Ilsa, but he doesn't know this for sure- whilst he was hand- and ankle-cuffed in his torture cell) watch them from a distance. He even gives Ilsa a loaded gun.
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** Because that would, in itself, be a massive expenditure. The whole point is the Syndicate ''doesn't'' actually have all the funds in the world, which is why it needs what's in the red box. Also threatening the people who work security there risks one of them blowing the whistle on the whole thing and making it even more impossible to get in.
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** Because that would, in itself, be a massive expenditure. The whole point is the Syndicate ''doesn't'' actually have all the funds in the world, which is why it needs what's in the red box. Also threatening the people who work security there risks one of them blowing the whistle on the whole thing and making it even more impossible to get in.in.
* Why didn't Ethan realise that security has been compromised at the London mission briefing point? Although Ethan Hunt is famous to us, the viewers, there is absolutely no reason in-universe for the person handing him a mission briefing after a coded exchange to know who he is. He should realise as soon as she asks him if "the stories are true" that there has been a major breach of security and protocol. Normal security protocol would be just for her to hand over a file/object to a person in a given location (as during the flights in the first film), or to the person who gives a certain pass-phrase. As such, she shouldn't know either what she is handing over, nor who she is giving it to. But since she knows who she is handing the information to, this means that this information is accessible and the document being handed over could be manipulated (intercepted/replaced/...), or that enemies could identify him from this exchange! Although it can be dismissed as Ethan being flirtatious or simply dismissing it as she may be a long-term collaborator of the IMF, it doesn't really tie in with his character given that he knows he's trying to track down an extremely sophisticated hidden terrorist/espionnage network which apparently has been able to defeat/match the IMF over several continents and several missions.
* Why didn't Ethan realise that security has been compromised at the London mission briefing point? Although Ethan Hunt is famous to us, the viewers, there is absolutely no reason in-universe for the person handing him a mission briefing after a coded exchange to know who he is. He should realise as soon as she asks him if "the stories are true" that there has been a major breach of security and protocol. Normal security protocol would be just for her to hand over a file/object to a person in a given location (as during the flights in the first film), or to the person who gives a certain pass-phrase. As such, she shouldn't know either what she is handing over, nor who she is giving it to. But since she knows who she is handing the information to, this means that this information is accessible and the document being handed over could be manipulated (intercepted/replaced/...), or that enemies could identify him from this exchange! Although it can be dismissed as Ethan being flirtatious or simply dismissing it as she may be a long-term collaborator of the IMF, it doesn't really tie in with his character given that he knows he's trying to track down an extremely sophisticated hidden terrorist/espionnage network which apparently has been able to defeat/match the IMF over several continents and several missions.
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*** At that point in the film, as far as they knew, the data was nothing more than evidence against the Syndicate. Not information the Syndicate didn't already have, but information that was previously copied and stolen from them, and then placed in the vault. If they got the data they'd be able to know for definite what this information was and thus take steps to mitigate the damage if they suspect that Benji has a copy- say, murdering people the data identifies as key players or witnesses.
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*** At that point in the film, as far as they knew, the data was nothing more than evidence against the Syndicate. Not information the Syndicate didn't already have, but information that was previously copied and stolen from them, and then placed in the vault. vault.
*** If they got the data they'd be able to know for definite what this information was and thus take steps to mitigate the damage if they suspect that Benji has a copy- say, murdering people the data identifies as key players or witnesses.
*** If they got the data they'd be able to know for definite what this information was and thus take steps to mitigate the damage if they suspect that Benji has a copy- say, murdering people the data identifies as key players or witnesses.
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* For a guy who likes to exploit human nature, why didn't Lane got the red box info by threatening the whole security team families? It's not like he pulled less unbelievable and inhumane stunt during the movie and advanced security or not, if the guys open the door for you it's way easier than hoping the agent you don't trust and you archenemy pull the impossible.
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* For a guy who likes to exploit human nature, why didn't Lane got the red box info by threatening the whole security team families? It's not like he pulled less unbelievable and inhumane stunt during the movie and advanced security or not, if the guys open the door for you it's way easier than hoping the agent you don't trust and you archenemy pull the impossible.impossible.
** Because that would, in itself, be a massive expenditure. The whole point is the Syndicate ''doesn't'' actually have all the funds in the world, which is why it needs what's in the red box. Also threatening the people who work security there risks one of them blowing the whistle on the whole thing and making it even more impossible to get in.
** Because that would, in itself, be a massive expenditure. The whole point is the Syndicate ''doesn't'' actually have all the funds in the world, which is why it needs what's in the red box. Also threatening the people who work security there risks one of them blowing the whistle on the whole thing and making it even more impossible to get in.
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* For a guy who likes to exploit human nature, why didn't Lane got the red box info by threatening the whole security team families? It's not like he pulled less unbelievable and humane stunt during the movie and advanced security or not, if the guys open the door for you it's way easier than hoping the agent you don't trust and you archenemy pull the impossible.
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* For a guy who likes to exploit human nature, why didn't Lane got the red box info by threatening the whole security team families? It's not like he pulled less unbelievable and humane inhumane stunt during the movie and advanced security or not, if the guys open the door for you it's way easier than hoping the agent you don't trust and you archenemy pull the impossible.
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* For a guy who likes to exploit human nature, why didn't Lane got the red box info by threatening the whole security team families? It's not like he pulled more believable stunt during the movie and advanced security or not, if the guys open the door for you it's way easier than hoping the agent you don't trust and you archenemy pull the impossible.
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* For a guy who likes to exploit human nature, why didn't Lane got the red box info by threatening the whole security team families? It's not like he pulled more believable less unbelievable and humane stunt during the movie and advanced security or not, if the guys open the door for you it's way easier than hoping the agent you don't trust and you archenemy pull the impossible.
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* Also, whatever happened to the drone fleet that's allegedly controlled by the surfaced Syndicate mentioned at the end of Ghost Protocol? I know that there's a period of TimeSkip between that movie and this one, but really, a hijacked drone fleet would have a higher stake than what happened in the movie itself.
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* Also, whatever happened to the drone fleet that's allegedly controlled by the surfaced Syndicate mentioned at the end of Ghost Protocol? I know that there's a period of TimeSkip between that movie and this one, but really, a hijacked drone fleet would have a higher stake than what happened in the movie itself.itself.
*For a guy who likes to exploit human nature, why didn't Lane got the red box info by threatening the whole security team families? It's not like he pulled more believable stunt during the movie and advanced security or not, if the guys open the door for you it's way easier than hoping the agent you don't trust and you archenemy pull the impossible.
*For a guy who likes to exploit human nature, why didn't Lane got the red box info by threatening the whole security team families? It's not like he pulled more believable stunt during the movie and advanced security or not, if the guys open the door for you it's way easier than hoping the agent you don't trust and you archenemy pull the impossible.
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* How does Benji manage to successfully lie to the Lie Detector every single time he's tested by the CIA? Is he actually that skilled or that lie detector's just bad at its job? (In a brief scene, after Benji's test is completed, the machine shows a slight red line that indicates that Benji's not actually telling the whole truth, even though earlier it shows an-all green indicator.)
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* How does Benji manage to successfully lie to the Lie Detector every single time he's tested by the CIA? Is he actually that skilled or that lie detector's just bad at its job? (In a brief scene, after Benji's test is completed, the machine shows a slight red line that indicates that Benji's not actually telling the whole truth, even though earlier it shows an-all green indicator.))
* Also, whatever happened to the drone fleet that's allegedly controlled by the surfaced Syndicate mentioned at the end of Ghost Protocol? I know that there's a period of TimeSkip between that movie and this one, but really, a hijacked drone fleet would have a higher stake than what happened in the movie itself.
* Also, whatever happened to the drone fleet that's allegedly controlled by the surfaced Syndicate mentioned at the end of Ghost Protocol? I know that there's a period of TimeSkip between that movie and this one, but really, a hijacked drone fleet would have a higher stake than what happened in the movie itself.
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** Ethan wasn't chasing the ''information'', he was chasing ''Ilsa'' to keep the Syndicate from killing her.
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** Ethan wasn't chasing the ''information'', he was chasing ''Ilsa'' to keep the Syndicate from killing her.her.
* How does Benji manage to successfully lie to the Lie Detector every single time he's tested by the CIA? Is he actually that skilled or that lie detector's just bad at its job? (In a brief scene, after Benji's test is completed, the machine shows a slight red line that indicates that Benji's not actually telling the whole truth, even though earlier it shows an-all green indicator.)
* How does Benji manage to successfully lie to the Lie Detector every single time he's tested by the CIA? Is he actually that skilled or that lie detector's just bad at its job? (In a brief scene, after Benji's test is completed, the machine shows a slight red line that indicates that Benji's not actually telling the whole truth, even though earlier it shows an-all green indicator.)
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*** Also, they thought it was legitimate information, and [[spoiler: the british head hadn't erased Ilsa's copy yet.]] So Ethan was still going after something to keep the syndicate from it.
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*** Also, they thought it was legitimate information, and [[spoiler: the british head hadn't erased Ilsa's copy yet.]] So Ethan was still going after something to keep the syndicate from it.it.
** Ethan wasn't chasing the ''information'', he was chasing ''Ilsa'' to keep the Syndicate from killing her.
** Ethan wasn't chasing the ''information'', he was chasing ''Ilsa'' to keep the Syndicate from killing her.
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** Definitely covert assets -- I don't know how many fire teams have festive, pastel polo shirts as their normal uniform. They look a heck of a lot more like a bunch of guys in Cuba chilling out who put on tac vests and grabbed guns.
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*** At that point in the film, as far as they knew, the data was nothing more than evidence against the Syndicate. Not information the Syndicate didn't already have, but information that was previously copied and stolen from them, and then placed in the vault.
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*** At that point in the film, as far as they knew, the data was nothing more than evidence against the Syndicate. Not information the Syndicate didn't already have, but information that was previously copied and stolen from them, and then placed in the vault. If they got the data they'd be able to know for definite what this information was and thus take steps to mitigate the damage if they suspect that Benji has a copy- say, murdering people the data identifies as key players or witnesses.
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*** Ilsa has been planning this for a while (practicing holding her breath), she had plenty of time to buy it somewhere else.
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** Buying carbon-fiber SCUBA gear might not be an option in Morocco.
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*** For that matter, the Syndicate might have become aware of the IMF trying to track their movements and improved their security to disappear.
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** Could they make that work? Something strong enough to hold the air, withstand the pressure underwater, not leak and not set off the metal detector? But, if you want an easy answer, RuleOfDrama.
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*** At that point in the film, as far as they knew, the data was nothing more than evidence against the Syndicate. Not information the Syndicate didn't already have, but information that was previously copied and stolen from them, and then placed in the vault.
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*** At that point in the film, as far as they knew, the data was nothing more than evidence against the Syndicate. Not information the Syndicate didn't already have, but information that was previously copied and stolen from them, and then placed in the vault.vault.
*** Also, they thought it was legitimate information, and [[spoiler: the british head hadn't erased Ilsa's copy yet.]] So Ethan was still going after something to keep the syndicate from it.
*** Also, they thought it was legitimate information, and [[spoiler: the british head hadn't erased Ilsa's copy yet.]] So Ethan was still going after something to keep the syndicate from it.
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** Because the Syndicate are clearly after the information as well. He can't risk Ilsa handing over the data to the enemy.
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** Because the Syndicate are clearly after the information as well. He can't risk Ilsa handing over the data to the enemy.enemy.
*** At that point in the film, as far as they knew, the data was nothing more than evidence against the Syndicate. Not information the Syndicate didn't already have, but information that was previously copied and stolen from them, and then placed in the vault.
*** At that point in the film, as far as they knew, the data was nothing more than evidence against the Syndicate. Not information the Syndicate didn't already have, but information that was previously copied and stolen from them, and then placed in the vault.
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* Why did the whole chase sequence happen at all? Benji should have just told Ethan to stop - he had a copy all along.
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* Why did the whole chase sequence happen at all? Benji should have just told Ethan to stop - he had a copy all along.along.
** Because the Syndicate are clearly after the information as well. He can't risk Ilsa handing over the data to the enemy.
** Because the Syndicate are clearly after the information as well. He can't risk Ilsa handing over the data to the enemy.
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** This appears to be a few years down the line - and Ethan has found nothing. Not even until this film did he get a face sketch, no name or alias or address, and that was because the villain deliberately showed his face to Ethan. All he had was a bunch of news clippings that ''could'' have been random chance. They'd probably considered it a failed mission and bad intel, and Ethan alone was the one insisting they really existed.
* Why did the whole chase sequence happen at all? Benji should have just told Ethan to stop - he had a copy all along.
* Why did the whole chase sequence happen at all? Benji should have just told Ethan to stop - he had a copy all along.
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* How did an armed CIA team show up in Cuba? Even though diplomatic relations have improved recently, the Cuban government wouldn't take kindly to a team of American soldiers barging into their country.
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* How did an armed CIA team show up in Cuba? Even though diplomatic relations have improved recently, the Cuban government wouldn't take kindly to a team of American soldiers barging into their country.country.
** Who said they necessarily asked for permission? The armed team were likely a bunch of covert assets, as expendable as an IMF team. It actually makes Hanley and the CIA hypocrites, since they shut down the IMF for doing 'reckless' stuff that they themselves are indulging in with their hunt (no pun intended) for Ethan...albeit less spectacularly (and successfully).
* Why was the Syndicate considered a figment of Ethan Hunt's imagination at the start of the film? After all, the SequelHook at the end of ''Ghost Protocol'' showed Ethan receiving a mission from IMF to investigate the Syndicate...so Ethan's quest to track the Syndicate originated as a legit IMF operation based on intelligence (presumably) vetted by the IMF top brass. This may have made more sense if Hanley doubted IMF's intel, rather than Hunt's sanity alone, and presented it as another example of their incompetence.
** Who said they necessarily asked for permission? The armed team were likely a bunch of covert assets, as expendable as an IMF team. It actually makes Hanley and the CIA hypocrites, since they shut down the IMF for doing 'reckless' stuff that they themselves are indulging in with their hunt (no pun intended) for Ethan...albeit less spectacularly (and successfully).
* Why was the Syndicate considered a figment of Ethan Hunt's imagination at the start of the film? After all, the SequelHook at the end of ''Ghost Protocol'' showed Ethan receiving a mission from IMF to investigate the Syndicate...so Ethan's quest to track the Syndicate originated as a legit IMF operation based on intelligence (presumably) vetted by the IMF top brass. This may have made more sense if Hanley doubted IMF's intel, rather than Hunt's sanity alone, and presented it as another example of their incompetence.
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* How did an armed CIA team show up in Cuba? Even though diplomatic relations have improved recently, the Cuban government wouldn't take kindly to an team of American soldiers barging into their country.
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* How did an armed CIA team show up in Cuba? Even though diplomatic relations have improved recently, the Cuban government wouldn't take kindly to an a team of American soldiers barging into their country.
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* Ethan and crew have access (albeit limited) to IMF plastic printing technology. How is it that they can't just print up a non-metallic mini-SCUBA setup for Ethan, to at least give him 10-15 minutes of air? Or better yet, just buy themselves a carbon-fiber SCUBA setup off the shelf, since there are now quite a few companies making such equipment.
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* Ethan and crew have access (albeit limited) to IMF plastic printing technology. How is it that they can't just print up a non-metallic mini-SCUBA setup for Ethan, to at least give him 10-15 minutes of air? Or better yet, just buy themselves a carbon-fiber SCUBA setup off the shelf, since there are now quite a few companies making such equipment.equipment.
* How did an armed CIA team show up in Cuba? Even though diplomatic relations have improved recently, the Cuban government wouldn't take kindly to an team of American soldiers barging into their country.
* How did an armed CIA team show up in Cuba? Even though diplomatic relations have improved recently, the Cuban government wouldn't take kindly to an team of American soldiers barging into their country.
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* Ethan and crew have access (albeit limited) to IMF plastic printing technology. How is it that they can't just print up a non-metallic mini-SCUBA setup for Ethan, to at least give him 10-15 minutes of air? Or better yet, just buy themselves a carbon-fiber SCUBA setup off the shelf, since there are now quite a few companies making such equipment.
