History Headscratchers / MissionImpossible

2nd Jan '16 10:40:41 AM Dragon101
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** Max is an arms dealer- she is buying and selling illegal merchandise all the time, so she needs some sort of secret way for new buyers and sellers to contact her since she can't exactly advertise it publicly. She and her contacts are using internet sites as a front for that purpose. Jim found this out, and contacted her through it, then left breadcrumbs for Ethan to realise it himself (though in the film it is actually Kittridge that tells Ethan about Job 3:14, so this was probably a BatmanGambit on his part, gambling that he would inform Ethan about Job- he did plant the Drake Hotel Bible exactly opposite the laptop in his office so Ethan could see it however).

** The whole opening mission is a mole hunt. If everybody on the team is killed then the CIA goes "wait a minute, then who was the mole we were looking for?" They would have to investigate further to determine what happened, possibly discovering Jim's true role. By delivering Ethan as the mole Jim has a better chance at a clean get away because he's giving the CIA what they expected to find with this op and they can move on.
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** The whole opening mission is a mole hunt. If everybody on the team is killed then the CIA goes "wait a minute, then who was the mole we were looking for?" They would have to investigate further to determine what happened, possibly discovering Jim's true role. By delivering Ethan as the mole Jim has a better chance at a clean get away because he's giving the CIA what they expected to find with this op and they can move on.
4th Dec '15 9:34:10 AM sonicsuns3
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*** Ok, but why is Max posting on bible discussion groups in the first place? Does she actually have a passion for biblical analysis? I doubt it. If I were contacting a secret agent named "Tiger" or something, I wouldn't feel compelled to go on some tiger forums and post comments about tigers. What's the point of all that? And if this bible-talk is a coded method of communication between Max and Job, why don't they do it more privately? Why make public Usenet posts, when email works just fine?
23rd Nov '15 4:37:00 AM demeter1
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*** Ethan had to use an authentic list because Max checked the list against at least some of the agents that she already knew the identities of. Note that her minion cross-checks the list on his laptop and she doesn't tell Ethan where the payment is until they get a match with a known agent. Without an authentic list the deal with Max is off and Ethan loses his only chance to meet Job.

*** Ethan had to use an authentic list because Max checked the list against at least some of the agents that she already knew the identities of. Note that her minion cross-checks the list on his laptop and she doesn't tell Ethan where the payment is until they get a match with a known agent. Without an authentic list the deal with Max is off and Ethan loses his only chance to meet Job.
23rd Nov '15 4:36:24 AM demeter1
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** Cinnamon went on her missions without the hours of professional makeup and hairstyling, designer wardrobe, and expert lighting that are used for her cover shoots.
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** Cinnamon went on her missions without the hours of professional makeup and hairstyling, designer wardrobe, and expert lighting that are used for her cover shoots.sp

** Cinnamon went on her missions without *** Ethan had just gotten the hours actual list of professional makeup all of their Eastern European agents out in the open after breaking into his own workplace with the help of two criminals and hairstyling, designer wardrobe, and expert lighting ruined the career of a competent employee. Really there was nothing the mole could have done that are used would be remotely as damaging as what nearly happened, especially since Ethan could have just made a fake. In reality he'd be incredibly lucky for her cover shoots.them to decide not to risk the publicity of a trial, let alone getting his job back. But, obviously there'd be no sequel if that was mentioned so it was quietly ignored.

*** Ethan had just gotten the actual list of all of their Eastern European agents out in the open after breaking into his own workplace with the help of two criminals and ruined the career of a competent employee. Really there was nothing the mole could have done that would be remotely as damaging as what nearly happened, especially since Ethan could have just made a fake. In reality he'd be incredibly lucky for them to decide not to risk the publicity of a trial, let alone getting his job back. But, obviously there'd be no sequel if that was mentioned so it was quietly ignored.
23rd Nov '15 4:34:41 AM demeter1
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*** I still think it's a very questionable thing for someone who's supposed to be Our Hero to do. I mean, yes, he puts Luther on the train to stop the upload but for all he knew his hacker associate could have had a heart attack and dropped dead the moment he sat down and Ethan would have been entirely responsible for the resultant spy-holocaust.
24th Aug '15 8:36:34 AM Bense
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\n** The whole opening mission is a mole hunt. If everybody on the team is killed then the CIA goes "wait a minute, then who was the mole we were looking for?" They would have to investigate further to determine what happened, possibly discovering Jim's true role. By delivering Ethan as the mole Jim has a better chance at a clean get away because he's giving the CIA what they expected to find with this op and they can move on.
15th Aug '15 7:51:09 PM oknazevad
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**Its what covers the aforementioned large budgets needed to cover the dead drops, equipment, travel costs, etc, the team relies upon. Much as property seized by the police is used to fund further operations.
14th Jul '15 10:00:33 PM Ghilz
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Moving to their own pages.
!!''Mission: Impossible 2'' * The fact that a Welshman seems to be in charge of the American IMF is puzzling! ** In the series they employ French, Australian, Scottish and English agents, likely amongst others- its not that surprising. * One thing that's not altogether clear is why [=McCloy=] goes along with Ambrose's plan. Grabbing the Belleraphon from Nakovitch is one thing given that he ran off with it, but having no problem breaking into his building and stealing the Chimera virus in order to ''sell it back to him?'' Why the hell would he go along with that? Did his company not bother telling him that armed men attacked his building, killed scores of guards and stole a WMD? ** Whether [=McCloy=] was upset that Ambrose broke in and stole the virus doesn't matter once it was done. Ambrose has both the virus and the cure, neither of which [=McCloy=] wants being sold to anyone else. *** Except that he offered Ambrose 37 million ''before'' that. ** About the only possible explanation is that [=McCloy=] thought that Ambrose stole both of them from Nakovitch and not just Belleraphon, which Ambrose indeed had thought he had done at the start of the film. This doesn't explain why [=McCloy=] doesn't seem interested in or aware that someone stole ''another'' sample of the virus and slaughtered countless guards in the process, but evidently if he is concerned and aware he doesn't connect the dots and realize that Ambrose never had the virus in the first place and, thus, was the culprit of the attack on his company. *** That does seem to pretty much be what happens. Before the attack, Ambrose seemed to just be showing that he had Nekhorivich's work, which McCloy would want to pay money to get back. Afterwards, McCloy may well figure out that Ambrose had broken into the building, but since Ambrose has control of all materials, knowing this information would not be all that useful. **** Could be that he is worried what will happen to him should he say no, I mean Ambrose is obviously quite crazy and dangerous. !!''Mission: Impossible 3'' * Why is Ethan Hunt's wife allowed in the middle of IMF's headquarters at the end of the film? The organization is so secret, that they operate from the basement of a front business! That's a huge security risk they are taking for what is essentially a feelgood gesture. Imagine a real-world parallel: the wife of a high-ranking Pentagon official is kidnapped in order to get at her husband, and then she is rescued. I am quite certain the people at Pentagon wouldn't go, "Sorry we caused you so much trouble! To make up for it, come mingle with your husband's co-workers in a restricted area!" ** She would need to be debriefed, and the parallel is not the same because the existence of Pentagon officials is not a state secret; the existence of the Impossible Mission Force is. Plus, in the process of the "rescue" she ends up saving her husbands life, shoots a traitor to the agency dead, and overhears sensitive information about a recently stolen weapon of mass destruction. She is knee-deep in it and merely learning about [=IMF=] gives her priviledges. * Why does Davian torture Ethan, asking him where the Rabbit's Foot is? Ethan had it when he was drugged in a limo, and Davian's henchman should find and give it to his boss. ** As explained by the mole after the interrogation, Davian did the ruse to make absolutely sure Ethan did not switch it out for a fake. Ethan claiming he gave Davian the real one through the count of ten thinking his wife was at gunpoint verified it for Davian. !!''Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol'' * It's never explained how Cobalt hacked into [=IMF=]'s communications during the previous mission or even knew that they would be there, nor why he has access to the same [[spoiler: LatexPerfection]] that they do. A Mole would be suspected, and in fact all three previous films featured one in one way or another, but there isn't one. Given his OddlySmallOrganization and that his official position in the Russian government was simply a scientific advisor, and how extreme his theories were, its hard to believe he's ''that'' well connected that he even knows who the [=IMF=] are, let alone how to play them like a fiddle and manipulate their every move. ** Maybe he's just that smart. ** Your primary mistake is in thinking that the [=IMF=] is the only one with access to advanced technology. A major problem in real-world espionage is that technology is almost never proprietary... some rogue agent would almost certainly have slipped somebody one of their maskmaking machines at some point in return for a hundred million dollars or somesuch, and after it was reverse engineered ever rich terrorist with the right connections could have one. As for hacking into the communications, he presumably did it the same way Ethan does it whenever he has to go rogue: he found a hacker who was better than [=IMF=]'s hackers, because there's always somebody better. * Who shot up the car with Ethan and Brandt, and why? Sidorov eventually runs up and tells the shooters to stop. Were those guy cops? ** Could've been Spetsnaz or something. ** Presumably the police were simply aware that Ethan, an escaped man thought responsible for one of the most devastating terrorist attacks in Russian history, was in the car. Hence, they made the mistake of simply choosing to try to eliminate him instead of attempting a capture. As much as it paints the Russian police in a dim light, this scene makes more sense when you remember that they had no idea the Secretary was in the car and not just more dangerous American terrorists. ** And it was just after the Kremlin had been bombed. The Russian police are understandably not acting very rationally in trying to catch or kill the guy they think bombed the Kremlin. * In ''Ghost Protocol'', how was the cryptographer supposed to verify the launch codes at a glance? He obviously didn't know them already, and giving the codes a recognizable pattern kind of defeats the point of a password. ** There aren't many people who can tease out those patterns in their head. ** It's simple for codes to be practically impossible to guess but easy to verify. For example, if the launch code was a prime factorization of some number and you knew that number, then verifying the code would be nothing more than a multiplication, but as long as the number is large enough, you could never find the code just by knowing the number. *** This. The whole point is that he was the one who designed the cypher. He doesn't have to know the codes himself to be able to look at them and go "Yeah, that's my cypher they're using." * What was the point of Hendricks [[spoiler: masquerading as his own [[TheDragon Dragon]]]] for the Dubai deal? There didn't seem to be any reason why the real henchman couldn't have done it instead, and after all that's what henchmen are ''for''. When his face was revealed to be an I.M.F.-style latex mask it seemed they were about to let loose a major plot twist, but it turns out it was just the Big Bad being eccentric. ** While withing the context of the movie, it doesn't make much sense (not that eccentricities are unusual for Hendricks), but it seemed like a pretty clear attempt to show the audience, and Ethan, how devastatingly wrong the plan had gone without confusing all the different villains. ** In the movie context, it shows (again) that this villain is a step ahead of the IMF. Remember, the plan was deliberately ''not'' to capture the henchman so he would lead them to the BigBad. The villain short-circuits that plan by showing up himself, in disguise. ** Hendricks may have been attempting to protect his identity - remember that the reason Ethan and Benji infiltrated the Kremlin in the first place was to discover Cobalt's identity. * So who told the Russians in Dubai? Ethan? ** Bogdan. That is, I don't think Bogdan ''told'' them, but they knew he and Ethan broke out of prison together, and were presumably keeping tabs on him in case he could lead them to Ethan. * Wouldn't NORAD's radar detect an SRBM incoming towards San Francisco? ** I was secretly hoping for that too. Perhaps NORAD had just installed a new detection system and when they saw a single nuclear missile heading towards the US they assumed it was an error, since a preemptive nuclear strike would be all-out. They ignored it rather than do a retaliatory launch. [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov It's happened before.]] ** Maybe NORAD did react, but it was all off-screen. * When the team realized the Russian cryptographer/scientist/nuclear codes guy was in Dubai, why not just let the meeting take place, then follow Winstrom and Moreau and capture them later, rather than take the risks of being recognized by following the original plan? ** Because they might lose them. The fact that they had to let the cryptographer see the actual codes only makes them need to caputre them sooner- you are, after all, talking about people who are trying to destroy ''the entire world'', and to stop them you've just let them attain the means to do it. Following them and capturing them later is extremely risky because you might lose them and, if that happens, everyone might pay the price. *** By that point they have the security cameras controlled in the hotel, making following much easier. (And any other tricks that the targets could have used would also be usable in the plan they did do in the movie.) * Is this movie just assuming there are absolutely no missile defense systems in the United States? And why even attack the United States with ONE nuke? If your goal is nuclear holocaust, wouldn't it make more sense to deploy multiple missiles to targets that don't have any defense systems or organized teams set out to foil you? ** The goal with the first nuclear weapon was to get the U.S. and Russia to start fighting each other, Which presumably wouldn't take much. (The missile did in fact come from a Submarine, and with the kremlin bombing, Russia would be the obvious attacker.) (Of course, I have no experience with how nuclear policy works, so it may be the the one stray missile wouldn't have lead to anyhing, but the movie explanatiobn makes sense even with working missile defenses and one weapon.) * A magnet strong enough to carry the weight of a full grown man! Near COMPUTERS! How exactly does that work? ** Highly-concentrated narrow angled electromagnetic field. Picture it as a wedge of magnetic force, rather than a bloom outward. If it helps any, the guy who owns the place was said to have made his fortune off of ''stolen'' military-grade stuff, the computers were probably all hardened because, hell, the guy clearly had money to burn. * At the beginning, Benji accidentaly releases all the prisoners in an entire cell block and ends up having to open more to cover Ethan's escape. It is PlayedForLaughs but these are hardened criminals attacking the guards. They will likely kill them or worse. By the time Ethan and company leave, it looks like the Russian guards are taking control of the situation but it is still a very dangerous and reckless act. What if the criminals took ovr the cell or even the entire prison? What if some of these guys escaped and were set lose on the public? The heroes kinda shrug it off. Does that bother anyone else? ** There is a reason that the secretary will disavow all knowledge of their actions if they get caught: he can't afford to be associated with the crimes they commit. The IMF kills people. A little prison chaos is hardly an issue if it is necessary to get the job done, by IMF standards. ----
14th Jul '15 9:56:56 PM Ghilz
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* Why did Jim take the bible from the Drake hotel in Chicago? As Max says, Job doesn't quote scriptures. So what use does he have for it? * Why leave Ethan alive? Jim's plan basically makes no attempt at killing him. Now one might say "So he's got a fall guy! If everyone's dead, there'll figure out who it is by whose dead body is missing!" but seeing as no one at the CIA figured out Jim was alive, that doesn't seem to make sense (Plus people would notice one of the corpses is missing either way).
16th Mar '15 1:28:45 PM nombretomado
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** This is addressed on the YMMV page. The room was already ridiculously secure, at some point even the IMF has to say "Enough." And even if it had a motion sensor, Ethan and crew would have just found some way around that too, since that was the point of the scene. Saying "Why didn't the room have-" would just lead to an ever-escalating game of cat and mouse that would take up three hours to play out and still not satisfy everyone who would think "Well why didn't it have this one extra thing that would have caught them?" It's sort of the equivalent of hearing that [[{{Futurama}} the dark matter tanker had its 7000 hulls torn through and asking why they didn't build it with 7001]].
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** This is addressed on the YMMV page. The room was already ridiculously secure, at some point even the IMF has to say "Enough." And even if it had a motion sensor, Ethan and crew would have just found some way around that too, since that was the point of the scene. Saying "Why didn't the room have-" would just lead to an ever-escalating game of cat and mouse that would take up three hours to play out and still not satisfy everyone who would think "Well why didn't it have this one extra thing that would have caught them?" It's sort of the equivalent of hearing that [[{{Futurama}} [[{{WesternAnimation/Futurama}} the dark matter tanker had its 7000 hulls torn through and asking why they didn't build it with 7001]].
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